So that slaughter in Kansas was only the

[malaise]

33rd mass shooting for 2016.
Bravo NRA! You are the big and bad!!

[rjsquirrel]

1. Another limp dick gun nut gone wild eom

[JonathanRackham]

4. The shooter.

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/crime/reported-killed-shooting-kansas-company-article-1.2544160?force_desktop=true?force_desktop=true#fpstate=amp_viewer

[rjsquirrel]

5. Your point?

Is his race relevant to the limpness of his ammosexual dick? Or are you pointing something else out?

I see a typical gun nutter: an angry middle aged loser in a wife beater.

[Jitter65]

9. This would be my point.

Any nice, quiet, unassuming working man or any long-time criminal, petty thief, wife-beater is capable of killing. Easy accessibility to guns makes it more than likely that these people... white, black, brown, red, or yellow...will shoot and kill someone.

Guns, guns, guns, that is one of our big problems.

[rjsquirrel]

10. My apologies

I thought you were saying the opposite.

It is statistically overwhelmingly true that a mass shooter will be male. Almost all workplace shootings are by middle aged males, most but not all white. Sometimes a woman tags along as in Dan Bernadino. But the gun is a tool of male compensation for feelings of emasculation.

That's why I mock gun nutters around here. They are almost all middle aged guys. They couldn't be more obviously compensating if they pulled up to the bowling alley (gun range) in a red corvette or new pickup they use to drive to the office, wearing gold chains and after shave. Sucks to be a loser. Very unmanly. Quick get a gun and now you are a big man again.

I'm a middle aged gun owning (hunter) guy. But I'm a strong gun control advocate. I know too many middle aged gun guys to be fooled.

Sorry I snarled at you, my misunderstanding.

American mass shootings are a sign of crumbling patriarchy more than any other cause. They are very frequently misogynistic and kill more women than men. Most gun nutters are also MRAs and conservatives. They are often divorced or never married. They often hate women.

[JonathanRackham]

35. CBS reports he was a career criminal.

Maybe the news services are racist.

[1939]

41. From South Florida

Has a rap sheet a mile long. Recently served two years of a three year term for possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. This guy is a real dirt bag, not just someone who snapped.

[former9thward]

67. Your knee jerk analysis is completely wrong.

We are always told that it is "middle aged angry white guys" when there is a shooting. Except when it isn't. Then all of a sudden "race is not relevant". So much for popcorn internet analysis.

[rjsquirrel]

69. Middle aged angry guys

My point is that it's the age and gender NOT race.

[former9thward]

74. Yes, when it is not white then the race meme goes out the window.

As if it never existed. Right, we got it.

[GGJohn]

12. Another pro controller who can't keep sexual references out of a rant.

[rjsquirrel]

13. Hardly

I choose to keep focusing on the sexuality of gun nutters because that is exactly what gun nuttery is about.

You imply that keeping sexuality out of it would be logical. But I suggest that most gun nuts are in fact overcompensating for feelings of sexual humiliation and emasculation. It's my analysis. Why would I keep sexuality out of it when my reading of gun nut culture is that it is in fact all about limp middle aged dicks and patriarchal butthurt?

Got Viagra? Get a gun!

ETA the fact that mocking the masculinity of gun nutters just makes them SO DAMN MAD and butt hurt proves it hits a nerve. And that means it's true. Projection is the reason men love carrying guns. A gun on your hip means you're a scared little man in most civilized contexts unless you are a cop.

[GGJohn]

14. LOL,

too fucking funny.

[rjsquirrel]

16. Lacking

an ability to use words means you are forced to use emojis on the web.

Good thing too because in real life you'd probably draw your big bad gun right? That's show me!

You nutters.

[GGJohn]

17. Even more LOL.

I love reading your emotional rants, they're entertaining.

[rjsquirrel]

19. Good for you

Must be hard not being able to intimidate people with your gun.

[GGJohn]

20. LOL.

Even more entertaining rants.
Stop it, my sides are hurting from laughing so much.

[rjsquirrel]

21. Me too

A gun nutter who can't intimidate people is hilarious.

[GGJohn]

22. You just can't help yourself can you?

You really should get help for these delusions of yours.

[rjsquirrel]

97. The Washingon shooter yeaterday

you heard nothing about?

Middle aged gun nutter white guy kills his whole family.

It's statistically true, bitch and insult all you want. Your major mass family and workplace killings are a specialty of middle aged men.

[hardcover]

79. Too frustrated to use words correctly or write a coherent sentence?

[snooper2]

39. So when a woman does it you have a different theory? Jealous of other boobs?

[beevul]

44. Hardly significant, is more like it.

I choose to keep focusing on the sexuality of gun nutters because that is exactly what gun nuttery is about.

You go right ahead and focus on the sexuality of people you don't know and have never met, and we'll just keep pointing it out, and pointing and laughing.

You imply that keeping sexuality out of it would be logical.

Since you don't know anything about it, that makes sense, to people that have sense, anyway.

But I suggest that most gun nuts are in fact overcompensating for feelings of sexual humiliation and emasculation.

And I suggest that most anti-gunners like to be tied down and have their asses spanked by a dominatrix with a riding crop. It's my analysis, since were wildly speculating and all. You who scramble to control everyone else, secretly love to be controlled. See? I can play amateur shrink too, and I can play it far better than you can.

ETA the fact that mocking the masculinity of gun nutters just makes them SO DAMN MAD and butt hurt proves it hits a nerve. And that means it's true.

You say something with the intentions of making someone mad, and the fact that they get mad makes whatever you said true?

You have a truly dizzying intellect:

Projection is the reason men love carrying guns.

Projection is what people like you with minimal personal control over yourselves do, when you attempt to control others (those tender moments with the riding crop notwithstanding, obviously).

[Eleanors38]

49. "Projection:" I think he/she is sticking out a little, too...

Goes to show, this type of controller spokesperson is far more into hateful smear and talk of Penis® (and the pleasures thereunto appertaining) than accomplishing any positive change; in fact, this poster seems to care little about anything else. Makes you wonder whose side the poster really takes.

[Waldorf]

52. I own firearms. Seeing limp dick, ammosexual, etc. doesn't bother me. It just shows how

immature a lot of the gun-controllers are. These remarks remind of the kind of stuff I heard during recess on the playground.

[TipTok]

65. I say encourage them...

They are a significant part of the reason that gun rights keep expanding.

[DonP]

56. No doubt there's a "dick" involed in this conversation

But I don't think it's the one you think it is.

[Lizzie Poppet]

58. Cool. Just curious, where did you do your Psychiatry residency?

[TipTok]

64. Controllers think about and refence the male package...

... to a level unheard of except in the gay porn industry.

It's a really odd obsession..

[Angel Martin]

93. to what sexual dysfunction

do you attribute the dramatic rise in female gun ownership ?


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/24/why-women-are-buying-more-guns.html

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

25. When all you have is a hammer...

...everything starts to look like a...
...well, you know.

[GGJohn]

26. I see he got a hide in the RKBA group,

that surprised me, insults like his are usually ok in that group, guess he went a little too much over the line.

[sarisataka]

32. I see he went back and

edited that post to remove the majority of the vile racist, sexism he spewed to get the hide.

Cowardly, IMO, to not stand by your words or if you wish to retract admit your fault.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

75. Edited which post?

[sarisataka]

77. This one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172188145#post1

The first three paragraphs are gone, leaving only the least offensive

[My Good Babushka]

28. The sexual reference is relevant

as the shooter was frustrated by the restraining order, and the impediment of his access to the woman who he saw as his property. People died for his frustration. I don't see anything rolling-on-the-floor-funny about it. In fact, it seems a pretty dismissive and boorish response to a brutal, disgusting crime.

[GGJohn]

31. Then you need to get your eyes checked,

I as laughing at the constant sexual references by the controllers here, it had nothing to do with the shooter.
But nice try at diversion.

[My Good Babushka]

37. So you don't want to address the fact that he was so infuriated

at having been barred from contact with this woman, who he must have considered his sexual property at some level, that he felt entitled to blow people away because of the court order. Or that there are millions of domestic abusers and stalkers out there like him right now who have easy access to firearms, because all of it is perfectly within their rights. And you are cool with that. No need to change that. Just keep laughing.

[Eleanors38]

50. 20% of gun owners are women. Is it Penis® envy? Small breast size? Abuser wannabe?

[My Good Babushka]

55. In this instance

he lost his sexual access to a partner and started shooting people within the hour. It's not just a fun, retrograde Freudian analysis; the metaphor is quite on the nose, in this case.

[Eleanors38]

60. Frankly, the whole sexual exlanation for killing is a screaming metaphor to smear...

Nearly 100,000,000 fellow Americans who happen to own guns. That's why I have little patience for crap paychology. DU is so rife with it, so it should be no wonder that I and many others consider the "wielder" of crap Freudism a joke.

The women I see on the range (and that number is booming) aren't into knives. It's guns.

[My Good Babushka]

62. Frankly no one gives a shit why you buy guns

but if you eschew sensible regulation, and condone the sale of weapons to people have no intention of learning how to use them correctly, don't require training, and tacitly allow the sale of so many weapons that they are routinely hoarded, stolen, lost and hemorrhaging onto the black market and into the hands of people like this guy, then you are going to be in bad odor with people who want to live their lives with fewer mass shootings.

[friendly_iconoclast]

80. That's quite a bit of projection, collective guilt-tripping, and strawman arguing for one sentence

Most of you lot suffer from chronic logorrhea, so you are to be congratulated for
your conciseness of style.

What you have said is wharrgarbl- but at least it's compact wharrgarbl...

[Eleanors38]

103. No one gives a shit why you don't give a shit, so shit...

Actually, you are in a search for a rational reason to spew more invective and animosity. Eschew the false intellectual efforts to rationalize, and stick with your bad smell; at least that is more authentic. The controller-prohibitionist, it addition to handing the GOP a set of keys to a new Cadillac, can't face up to this fact: They are in a losing culture war wherein guns is (like most Prohibitions) merely a proxy for the worst kind of uncivil "dialog." If you scan back over postings in RKBAGC, you will find several proposals for addressing "mass shootings." But the Game of Stigmata seems so-o-o-o much more fun. After all, it's been going on here in DU for years.

And little has changed.

[sarisataka]

33. A truism

accidentally posted recently-

"gun fetishism is about bullying and control, and nothing else"

{emphasis added}

[LanternWaste]

36. And another response focusing solely on that.

And another response focusing solely on that type of response rather than the subject itself. Continuing to indict others for what you yourself consistently focus on as well speaks accurately to the two different standard you conveniently hold to.

(space provided free of charge below to insert distinction without a difference)

[beevul]

46. Well, why don't you just come out and say it...

Well, why don't you just come out and say it, you know?

Just remove the mealies from your mouth and state unequivocally that its A-ok for those against guns to engage in attacks against people who are pro-gun, but pro-gun people are supposed to just take it with a smile and stick to the subject even when their attacker doesn't.

That's pretty fuckin thin, even for an anti-gunner.

[Lizzie Poppet]

57. Took even longer than the last time, though.

Used to be, you could count on the first penis reference within seconds of posting...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

30. Do they sell imagination where you bought that learned remark?

Have a nice day.

[brush]

66. 33 mass shooting and only 57 days into the year

Which means we're averaging a mass shooting roughly every other day.

We all have to start to think about this when we're out in public now.

[lancer78]

73. And comments like yours

Is why gun control fails and will continue to fail in this country. Hope you feel proud of it.

[braddy]

104. He got the guns from his ex girlfriend

[islandmkl]

2. oh hell, now....that is only a little over 4 per week...

the NRA standard is 6 per week, with a day off for Sunday....

[islandmkl]

3. to add: it is only Friday....

[Nevernose]

11. Sunday is the Lord's day

So we don't count mass murders that occur then, because it would be discriminatory against Christians, who are suffering mightily under Obama's tyranny, and we're going to make America great again!

Sorry, I watched that Republican debate last night. Still stuck in my brain.

[11 Bravo]

18. DUzy!

[malaise]

24. ROFL

DUzy

[malaise]

23. Sad but true

A second protection order, related to his girlfriend, was issued half an hour before he started shooting.

[Eleanors38]

40. Tell me, how many "Mass Shootings" were there 10 yrs. ago? 15? 20? 30? 40? nt

[islandmkl]

42. I apologize for all the crap at the top of the webpage...but here's some info"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990

[Eleanors38]

53. I'll look at this further. MJ concedes that Mass Murders average two (2) year (old FBI def.)

[Vinca]

6. I almost missed it. Just a tiny blip on the news.

Not enough victims I guess. Meanwhile, back on the debate stage, you have a line of losers who will fight to make guns even more accessible than they already are.

[Eleanors38]

43. MSM has not fully integrated the new term "Mass Shooting" into its anti-gun narrative...

Maybe you know the answer. How many "Mass Shootings" were there 10 yrs. ago? 15? 20? 30? 40? Knowing this might give some indication of trends (or not) in killing methodology. Or trends in overhauling prohibitionist narratives so MSM can keep the gun talk in the news like it did 40+ years ago. Or trends in keeping gun talk in GD all the time.

[madokie]

7. At this point in time

I'm all for a person having to have a license to even own a fucking gun

I'm sick of gunz and the 2 amendment gun humperz trying to explain this shit away.

[gratuitous]

38. And an annual skills examination for each firearm

With a nice little charge to go along with it, so that gun owners will treat their weapons with due respect. Would $500 per firearm per annum be too little? It could fund a victims' compensation pool for the inevitable casualties of gun violence, which would be better than the nothing we have now.

I'm a little surprised, though, that the shooter in this case could get a hold of a gun. I've been solemnly assured again and again that it's just unpossible for an ex-convict to get a gun because of the strict system of background checks scrupulously observed by all gun sellers.

[Eleanors38]

48. "$500 per firearm per annum" Can you say poll tax.

[beevul]

51. They're never interested in any measures...

They're never interested in any measures, unless the measures are gun centric or are directed at the people who aren't the problem in the first place.

After many decades of focusing on the guns, I'd have thought they'd be interested in trying something else, but gun hatred runs very deep.

[friendly_iconoclast]

84. They keep acting as if The One True Gun Law (a la the Ring of Sauron) that will stop gun crime...

...Real Soon after it is passed could come about if only those poopyhead gun owners and
the NRA would let them.

The discerning reader will note that they never explain...

...how that's supposed to work, or

...why their supposedly "popular" movement can't actually get voters to the polls.

[TipTok]

68. Keep up the good work...

Gun rights wouldn't be where they are today without people like you...

[friendly_iconoclast]

83. What extra law(s) do you propose that will stop someone that didn't obey laws in the first place?

Not that I really expect an answer to that question...

[gratuitous]

85. Well, you might not like it, but here's your answer

When our society finally got serious about drunk driving, revoking licenses, instituting meaningful fines and jail sentences, we saw the incidence of drunk driving go down. Coupled with a strong public education component, we've made significant strides against drunk driving, and it's no longer seen as a rite of passage it once was in some quarters. Has all drunk driving been eliminated? No, many fewer lives are lost each year due to drunk driving.

Enact some "well-regulated" laws designed to keep some of the 300 million guns in our country out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them (felons like yesterday's Cedric Ford), and we will surely lose fewer lives every year to shooting sprees (of which we've had too many already this year). I'm sure you can cite many of the laws that have been proposed in recent years as I can. The question is, why are so many gun owners satisfied with the status quo?

[friendly_iconoclast]

88. There's nothing *to* dislike, as you haven't proposed any new laws...

...aside from an un-Constitutional tax on owning guns- which felons like Ford
will simply not pay in the first place.

Two questions for you:

In your own words, what *is* "the status quo", and what makes you think that
"so many gun owners" are "satisfied" with it?

[branford]

90. Sigh...

You just basically conceded that we successfully(?) fought the scourge of drunk driving by diligently enforcing the current laws on the books and increasing penalties for the actual criminal act of drinking and driving. We did not, however, add substantive restrictions to the ownership, purchase, or use/consumption of either alcohol or cars.

Gun owners and supporters of firearm rights have been advocating such policies for years. Even the NRA supports harsher sentences for crimes with guns and questions why federal and state government only prosecute a fraction of straw purchases and other already illegal matters that result in criminal possession of firearms,

For instance, Cedric Ford, as a felon, was already prohibited from owning or possessing firearms.

However, not only do you not understand the meaning of "well regulated," but you appear to actually want are pervasive gun bans or regulations so strict there would be little difference, effectively confiscating firearms from the 99.99+% of the 80-100+ million legal gun owners who have not, and statistically will never, engage in any criminality or misuse of firearms. This is exactly NOT the strategy employed to fight drunk driving.

[1939]

45. This was not a legal gun carried under RKBA

This guy was a convicted felon who was illegally possessing a gun (and had already served a prison term for the same thing).

[friendly_iconoclast]

82. The firearms-averse will *never* admit that.

[Nevernose]

86. I think we'd all be willing to stipulate to that.

The question is: how do we make it more difficult for criminals to get these guns (not to mention garden-variety psychos)?

I think regulation, registration, and responsibility (in terms of punishment and/or tighter restrictions on storage) is a negotiable, sensible thing.

[friendly_iconoclast]

87. There's been a few posts elsewhere claiming that Ford was previously a law abiding gun owner.

Now that it is known that Ford was a career criminal, those posts have become 'unposts',
as the more doctrinaire antigun types would sooner lick a Detroit sidewalk than admit error.

Since Ford was willing to break all previous laws to get a firearm, just how will
additional laws stop felons in the future?

Heroin has been illegal for 100+ years, and is more prevalent than ever

[Nevernose]

91. Drugs and guns aren't comparable

At least not in terms of prohibition. Plus, I'm not calling for a prohibition on guns.

If, for instance, there was a law saying that crimes committed by a gun used by a gun not locked, in a safe, etc., would charge the gun owner with the same crime (basically taking the feline murder law(s) to its logical conclusion, I'd bet after a couple of years we'd see way fewer toddler shootings or teenage suicides. Not because their parents don't already care, but because they haven't given it enough thought yet.

If you, or anyone else, thinks for instance that a teenaged boy is safer in a home with an unsecured firearm as opposed to one in a gun safe, then you'd be a damn fool and bear as much responsibility as the kid who pulled the trigger.

I also think that people who don't lick up their guns, or don't report them stolen, or the police who might do any investigation whatsoever (some large metro areas actually don't care), then people should go to jail. If they had control of that weapon and -- through negligence or irresponsibility -- allowed that weapon into the hands of a criminal? Fuck 'em for not buying a safe.

[friendly_iconoclast]

96. Expecting 80 million gun owners to quietly acquiesce to an effort to criminalize them...

...is (and I am putting this as gently as possible) a fantasy. Still, it might get somewhere-
if you can find enough allies to do some fairly heavy political lifting.

What are you doing in the real world to help bring what you propose about?

[1939]

107. There is a method

Completely unacceptable to DU

Police stop and frisk suspected felons to see if they are carrying.

If they are illegally carrying, long prison term.

[gratuitous]

72. As evidenced here

Yeah, the violence fetishists are sickening as they try to rationalize yet another multiple killing, but sometimes they're pretty funny, claiming an annual gun fee would be a poll tax. I don't think the humor was intentional, but that might have actually enhanced the hilarity.

[friendly_iconoclast]

89. Insults from people that don't actually *do* anything to achieve what they claim to want?

Priceless, and they don't carry any sting. Y'all just keep on wearing out keyboards while proving
Markley's Law...

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Markley%27s+Law%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

...correct, and the rest of us will keep on protecting our rights while enjoying a
declining violent crime rate.

The device most commonly used by gun control advocates lately is this:

[gratuitous]

94. Oh, were you insulted?

First, thanks, I guess, for not making a lame alert (always provided that it wasn't upheld by a sensible jury). But "insult" hmmm? Odd. I wonder if Renee Benjamin's family appreciates the declining violent crime rate?

[friendly_iconoclast]

95. It was an insult on the order of being called a 'poopyhead', so I didn't take it to heart

I'd have much the same reaction if a member of the Flat Earth Society called me a "ball Earther"

IOW, meh...

[friendly_iconoclast]

81. When you come across someone "trying to explain this shit away", let us know, mmkay?

[4dsc]

8. More guns makes us safer

EOM

[-none]

15. Yeah, like that's obvious.

All these mass shooting kinda make that anything but true.

[ghostsinthemachine]

27. Well there's been 56 days this year so we

Are behind last year's pace! GO GUNS!

[leftyladyfrommo]

29. Out there in rural Kansas probably everyone owns a gun.

Didn't protect them from this guy who snapped.

[Iggo]

34. Kill! Kill! Kill!

[Eleanors38]

47. 33? I heard it was 33,333. In the first two months!!!

Yours for good data.

[Lizzie Poppet]

59. Just wait. I'm sure "mass shooting" will be redefined (again) to accommodate that.

Can't let the fear, fear, FEAR abate, can we?

[branford]

92. It's a lot like how statistics about "childhood" shootings

include men well into their 20's or how one of the Boston Marathon bombers was classified as victims of gun violence.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bloombergs-office-issues-apology-for-including-boston-bombing-suspect-in-list-of-gun-violence-victims/

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/children-and-guns/

[malaise]

99. It's now 34

although I haven't heard what happened overnight yet

[Eleanors38]

100. Oh, I heard there were 169 since 1:04 A.M.

[Rex]

54. Wait...a felon is not supposed to have a gun...oh right 300 million plus.

The number of guns is one of the problems.

[TeddyR]

61. What number would you be comfortable with?

The "number of guns" is not the problem. The problem is criminals killing other people. But if we acknowledge that truth then we have to start talking about personal responsibility and the root causes of violence, so it is just easier to blame the "guns."

[Rex]

70. Everyone acknowledges the perps actions with the gun, yet gun controllers never acknowledge

the other half of it which is the gun used to kill people. Has nothing to do with my comfort level, maybe you should try and stop being subjective about everything it would do you some good.

Much easier to ignore the easy access to 300 million guns right? Let me know when you want to have a real discussion.

[malaise]

63. The way anyone can get them is a bigger problem

as is the type of weapon

[Rex]

71. Yet the gun controllers in this very thread will pretend that is not part of the problem.

Someone might come and take away their gunnnsss. Such a waste of time trying to have an honest discussion with them.

[malaise]

76. Makes no sense

I'll never get it

[Rex]

78. Well if they cannot admit to the number being part of the problem

and don't want the gun to be any part of the problem, you cannot have a real dialog with them at all.

[Sancho]

98. People Control, Not Gun Control

Virtually all these shooters have court orders against them, a history of counseling, or warning signs known to family and friends.

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[My Good Babushka]

106. This is good

It should be a federal set of regulations enforced in every state, not the messed-up patchwork of guidelines and quasi-enforced rules we have now.

[JimDandy]

101. The one here in WA the next day then makes the 34th mass shooting

[matt819]

102. Less than 1 per day

That's got to be an accomplishment, right?

[malaise]

105. Yah think?

It's effin' madness