I am very proud of Apple

[malaise]

For the record I've never owned an iphone

That is all

[ohnoyoudidnt]

1. Everything they do has a profit motive, imo.

It may happen that sometimes what they do is aligned with what others think is the right thing to do. Maybe I'm just cynical but I don't think this decision was made only because they think it is the right thing to do.

For the record, I am an Iphone owner.

It is also possible that they are saying one thing in public and doing something else behind closed doors.

[malaise]

3. I agree with his comments on civil liberty

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/22/technology/apple-tim-cook-email-encryption/
Apple CEO Tim Cook has spoken out again in his fight to protect his customers' privacy, saying the "data security of hundreds of millions of law-abiding people" is at stake.

Cook is in a high profile fight with the U.S. government, which is demanding that Apple help it break into the iPhone of the deceased San Bernardino shooter, Syed Farook.

Cook said last week he will not comply with FBI demands and issued an email to staff on Monday thanking them for their support.

"Apple is a uniquely American company. It does not feel right to be on the opposite side of the government in a case centering on the freedoms and liberties that government is meant to protect," he wrote in his email.

Cook argues that following through with the court order would threaten "everyone's civil liberties" and also make them more vulnerable to cybercrime.

[jwirr]

2. +1

[shawn703]

4. Me too

I worry the average Joe doesn't understand how big a deal this really is. The FBI says they just want to use it for just one phone and Apple is blowing it out of proportion. Fat Man and Little Boy were only meant to be used once too. Once the technology is out there, no way will they not repeat it.

[malaise]

5. Go to Congress and try to change the law

Of course they will repeat it.

[KamaAina]

6. You may wish to rethink that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027630408

A 2015 court case shows that the tech giant has been willing to play ball with the government before—and is only stopping now because it might ‘tarnish the Apple brand.’
Apple CEO Tim Cook declared on Wednesday that his company wouldn’t comply with a government search warrant to unlock an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino killers, a significant escalation in a long-running debate between technology companies and the government over access to people’s electronically-stored private information.
But in a similar case in New York last year, Apple acknowledged that it could extract such data if it wanted to. And according to prosecutors in that case, Apple has unlocked phones for authorities at least 70 times since 2008. (Apple doesn’t dispute this figure.)
In other words, Apple’s stance in the San Bernardino case may not be quite the principled defense that Cook claims it is. In fact, it may have as much to do with public relations as it does with warding off what Cook called “an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers.”

[malaise]

7. No - I'm not rethinking it n/t

[Elwood P Dowd]

8. That was prior to recent IOS 9 security improvements

that I'm told is a totally different animal. You left out these two posts.

1. Yes... on older OS's and not with the current hardware.

Security with the combination of the current hardware and software has matured. It can't be broken.


Response to uhnope (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:43 AM

Star Member NutmegYankee (11,145 posts)

2. There were OS and hardware changes that make that not possible.

After OS8 the encryption cannot be defeated by Apple. After the iPhone5S, even the method the FBI proposed won't work.

[NutmegYankee]

14. This has been clearly explained multiple times. NT.

[HuckleB]

9. I hope I would be proud of any company that followed suit.

There are many other problems with technology companies like Apple, but the privacy issue has me on their side.

I say, "I hope," because I have been an Apple consumer for thirty years, mostly because my computers have lasted a decade each time. I can't complain about that, so I stick with it. I do have an iPod, too, but it's also ten years old, and I recently added an iPad mini to my contraptions, mostly to have a more mobile Internet device, as I still use a flip phone, which is not an Apple product, but is almost ten years old.

[Egnever]

10. Fuck apple

Seriously just fuck them.

They aren't doing this for you they are doing it for the dollars.

Like every other thing they do.

Biggest corporate crooks on the planet and people cheer them like they are heroes.

It's pathetic.

Highest profit margin of an company other than the big banks. They are stealing from every one of their customers. Which wouldn't be so bad if they didn't shit on their employees but they do.

Fuck them seriously.

[Jim Beard]

15. Yeah !!!!!!

If the assholes only knew what my mind thinks of them.......

Do Americans think Apple should unlock terrorist's iPhone?

According to a national Pew Research Center poll, 51 percent of Americans surveyed said that Apple should unlock the phone to assist with the FBI's investigation.

Thirty-eight percent said Apple should not unlock the phone, in order to ensure the security of other users' information. Apple has warned that creating "backdoor" access to the encrypted iPhone data could potentially leave other users' iPhones vulnerable to government surveillance or hackers. The remaining 11 percent said they didn't know.

For the poll, Pew surveyed 1,002 adults between February 18 and 21. The news surrounding the dispute has spread widely, with 75 percent of people surveyed saying they had heard either a lot (39 percent) or at least a little bit (36 percent) about the story.

The poll also looked at how the dispute between the FBI and Apple broke down along political party lines. Perhaps surprisingly in these partisan times, both Republicans and Democrats viewed the dispute similarly -- 56 percent of Republicans and 55 percent of Democrats said that Apple should unlock the suspected terrorist's phone.

Those who don't fall within the traditional parties were more conflicted. Pew found that 45 percent of people who considered themselves Independents said Apple should unlock the phone, while about 42 percent of Independents said it should not, with 13 percent undecided.

Things get a little more complicated when you break down Independents into sub-categories -- 58 percent of those who lean toward the Republican end of things said that Apple should unlock the phone, compared to 34 percent of the more Democrat-leaning Independents.

The dispute drew sharp distinctions between age groups. Among younger adults aged 18 to 29, 47 percent said Apple should unlock the phone, while 43 percent said it should not. For those 65 and older, 54 percent felt Apple should unlock the phone, while a mere 27 percent said the company should not comply.

[Jim Beard]

16. Even more seriously than ever done before.

[SwankyXomb]

11. Next step, pay their taxes

[Elwood P Dowd]

12. Make Congress change the laws. Until then, all large corporations will do anything legal that's

possible to avoid paying taxes.

[Jim Beard]

17. You are right, Apple is no different than China

[Elwood P Dowd]

18. No different than any other Fortune 500 US Corporation. They all do what they are allowed to do

under the existing tax laws passed by Congress.

[topological]

13. If it was Dylann Roof's iPhone, would you still be proud?

No need to answer. You'd want Apple shut down until they pried that phone open.