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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums***** Debate thread two*****
carson bitching about not having time
he is such a putz
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)they are egotistical idiots
napi21
(45,806 posts)nolabear
(42,018 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Its like they are trying to convince kindergarteners....
GP6971
(31,316 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)so gonna keep it at that
Sparkly
(24,162 posts)I think it's spelled NSA.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I don't think she is as tech savvy as she thinks she is
Sparkly
(24,162 posts)Or Al Gore Rhythm, I dunno.
Either way, it still seems we've been repeatedly attacked by terrorists and we all missed it. Obama has just not kept us safe, according to these folks.
MADem
(135,425 posts)What I heard is "NSA don't need no warrant, as far as I'm concerned!"
She reminds me of the prim and proper types who were always the first to get a cream pie in a Three Stooges short.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)to hear candidates on the other side. dws is getting her gop buds elected again.
StrayKat
(570 posts)I keep seeing this called the last debate of the year rather than the last republican debate of the year, but I've seen schedules saying there is a democratic debate on Saturday.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=7450402
MADem
(135,425 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Anyone who asserts that this debate schedule isn't a little bit weird, if one actually wanted people to watch, tune in, learn, and become informed, is either not paying attention or would have to be accused of being at the very least obtuse.
To any regular person, this has to be seen as a rigged process, for certain reasons that are not clear but do not seem to be for the good of informing the people of this country who is running.
And then, the only real reason that no changes to the schedule can or have been considered is because Debbie Wasserman Schultz has made up her mind, and that is that. Now if that isn't a sick way to run a Party when substantial number of members are complaining about the process, I don't know what is.
I know that this debate schedule will have consequences, and they won't be pretty for the Democratic Party.
If the Democratic Party wants to run itself as corruptly as the rest of what many of us rail against, they are really playing with fire.
They should remedy the situation by reaching out to the candidates that want more debates and by trying to come up with a reasonable schedule ASAP. Otherwise, they are simply counting on people having nowhere else to go. What a pathetic excuse for a way to lead, to show you are the best, to govern, to run a political party or a country.
MADem
(135,425 posts)you have yourself to blame. And no one else.
Do you want someone to come to your home with a spoon and feed you, as well?
Every single debate is available, even today, on the internet. Two or three clicks and you're there.
Do you seriously watch your favorite TV shows as "the networks" dole them out? You never watch television "ON DEMAND?" You never watch a program on a tablet, a phone, a computer? Every show I LIKE seems to be aired on Sunday night--if I didn't use ON DEMAND I wouldn't watch any good TV.
You don't have to watch your debates "live" either.
There is NO excuse--in this 21st Century--for missing a debate. If you have time to complain on DU, you have time to find every single debate and watch--if you really care.
Each Democratic candidate gets way, WAY more time than even the most popular GOP candidate. Since Chaffee and Webb (and Lessig Who Never Showed Up Anyway) dropped out, there's even MORE time for the top tier.
We won't see any scrabbling and screaming by the Democratic candidates like we did with the GOP this evening. Why? Because--aside from the fact that they are more mature-- they'll have enough time to cover all the major issues, and even have time left over for less pressing matters.
That said, Saturday is GREAT for me--there's nothing good on, on Saturday, anyway.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I'm not advocating for more debates so that I get to see the candidates more and more, although that is revealing.
I'm advocating for fair process, for process that is perceived as fair by relevant parties, which includes the vast numbers of DNC members who are complaining about how this is being run, plus anyone else disillusioned by either the impropriety or the appearance of impropriety.
I realize you're something of a big deal around here, but I find your comments to me to be insulting and unnecessary.
Yes, I will watch the debate. I am complaining about the process. I think it stinks, and I think it can't do anyone any good, including Hillary.
MADem
(135,425 posts)"insulting" you.
People who are adults are responsible for educating themselves on current events. Should we have readers read the paper to everyone of voting age, so they are abreast of the issues?
Never have I heard it suggested that people be coddled in terms of obtaining information that is so READILY available nowadays, it's embarrassing.
Back in the day, if you had to work during a debate, you had to work. You could maybe sneak a transistor radio and an earpiece into your job, and hope you had good reception, or even put it on the office radio if your boss was "cool," but if neither of those options were viable, you picked up the New York Times and (horrors!) you READ about it afterwards, and talked to friends and family about how this one or that one came off.
If you lived overseas--as I did, often--all your news came via the written word, pretty much. European, Asian and Middle Eastern TV didn't cover the US elections with much thoroughness. If you wanted to be informed, you had to do the work. Nowadays, "the work" is opening up a screen and clicking a few times.
The process--thanks to "the internet"-- is better now than it has EVER been in the history of American elections. There's just no excuse for not being informed. Even poverty is not a barrier if you have a library within a walk or a bus ride of your home, or a smart phone. There are already several dozen copies of tonight's debate up on Youtube, without even having to navigate over to CNN.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)OK, so you still haven't commented on the funky process concocted by the DNC!
I mean, c'mon, this has been a major complaint for months, and all I hear from people who don't have the complaint is "get over it", "the debates are fine", etc.
They are clearly not fine for a whole lot of people. Oh right, I also hear that "those people don't count for that much", "there aren't that many of them", "it won't matter in the general election".
It certainly will matter.
How do I know? I have been a Democrat since 1970, and voted in every election since. I was a proud Democrat in Massachusetts when we were the only state to go for McGovern.
And yet, due to the unbalance and unhinged and power-hungry way the DNC is running these debates and other things, I am tempted to do what is in such disrepute around here - not support Hillary if she becomes the candidate. I know that is sacrilege, and strategically kind of stupid, and I'm sure I will support whatever nominee emerges in the end, but people are largely ruled in the end by feelings and my feelings are both hurt and angry, and I am appalled at the apparent corruption inside my own party. How are people supposed to voice their concerns, their outrage, their dissatisfaction. Beside the feeling of being sold out by Democrats for years, even decades now (which can be validated by clear statistical results, these debates are simply not conceived to bring the highest exposure to our candidates, to capitalize on essentially free press, or to make sure everyone knows exactly where these candidates stand before they cast their crucial primary votes.
Party unity and even party excitement is a good thing, and I believe we should all be working in a shared system where the needs and wants of all the members of the party are met as well as possible. Not met with DWS "my way or the highway", and no other particularly legitimate reason.
i would urge any Hillary supporter of any kind, with clout or not, to use all their influence to call for the debates that will ensure that she is the firmly accepted victor, should that happen. Not the winner of a spoiled and failed process, with disgruntled losers in the wings.
Party unity. That's where we all should probably be heading right now.
Thanks for take the time to discuss.
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ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)just the usual trolling?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)*** WHO THE FUCK CARES? *** Click +1 to agree... or something along those lines.
MADem
(135,425 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)being stupid
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and his facial ticks make me laugh
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)And Kasich just said we need to "penetrate people"?
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Sparkly
(24,162 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)nolabear
(42,018 posts)But he knows people...
world wide wally
(21,762 posts)How fucking scared shitless can you get?
ogsball
(356 posts)and tell him he shut off the internet. He won't know.
chowder66
(9,127 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)No, no PITBULL...fire WALL, not fireBALL!!!!!!
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)ask Trump is ready to shut down part of the Internet and spy on social media.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)each and everyone of you. For not giving into the urge of wanting to gauge your eyes out and purposely trying to make yourselves deaf. That's why I don't watch, just wait for the aftermath on social media.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)still_one
(92,596 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)such ego maniacs, few can resist an adoring and attractive woman. Maybe one, Jimmy Carter. The rest, I doubt...
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)still_one
(92,596 posts)lobbyist.. I'll try and find it
Here it is. This thread was locked because it is on LBN without confirmation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141285430
MADem
(135,425 posts)And it AIN'T what's being reported, either.
I've heard a rumor of a paramour who's been pushed to the side, but not that woman who used to work for him.
The way to keep that kind of stink off you is to have your pals accuse someone else of doing it. That way, if anything comes out, you can chalk the whole mess up to "interfering outsiders, spreading terrible lies" -- like what happened to McCain in SC.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)him is another story. it was a blind item and most people did guess Rubio.
MADem
(135,425 posts)What I'm trying to say is that Jeb has a problem too, that has NOT broken at all...yet. There was a tale about a former employee (or two) with him, but this particular sister was not an employee and she was an unlikely paramour--"some people say." Or so the rumor goes!
I've heard it a couple of times and can't speak to authenticity, but it's weird when you hear the same strange rumor more than once from people who do not know each other at all. That's some interesting scuttlebutt!!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Because whether it is Hill or Bernie, everyone should come out and vote against him. Shit is crazy.
MADem
(135,425 posts)pique when some (not all, but some) pretend they would vote for him.
I think, in the still quiet of the voting booth, they'd avoid him like the plague.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)but I think I read something about rubio the other day
briv1016
(1,570 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)after his own daughter, so it can;t be him.
H2O Man
(73,723 posts)others here have stated.
Two debates ago, Rubio spanked Jeb. The Bush machine felt that Marco betrayed the family, as the Bushites have assisted him in advancing his political career. While the rumors of Rubio being involved in numerous "affairs" have been common place in Florida for several years, they have been spread by democrats.
Now, in retribution for "betraying" the Bush family, the very people who have previously assisted Rubio in covering up his behaviors, are preparing to expose him. What a large part of their focus will be is not only has he betrayed his wedding vows, but he has lied about it. Over and over.
Hence, while the "rumors" haven't been widely reported -- not even close -- up to now, the Bush machine is prepared to promote it. I had expected it soon .....before the holiday break, as images created before X-mas tend to become entrenched by New Year's Day, and stick through January. But, it could be that they'll wait until January, when the next round of the campaign battle heats up.
It was interesting to note that Marco and Jeb pretended to be totally unaware that the other was on stage last night.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and when there is a big consensus (commenters guess who the item is about) as they were for Rubio, they are also usually correct.
Mostly it covers entertainment rumors and they have a lot of big PR contacts helping- so I wonder if that means this will be huge and dirty. Is Rubio the biggest "Christian family values" candidate? Hope it unmasks him in that case.
H2O Man
(73,723 posts)It's rather ironic that the republican machine is about to knee-cap him.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,262 posts)9 people on the stage. If candidates in the single digits won't drop out, the number at the grown ups table should go down by 2 with each debate. It should have been 7 at this one, 5 at the next and 3 after that. The herd needs some culling, whether they like it or not.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)The rest can play at the kiddie table.
Sparkly
(24,162 posts)If so, anybody playing must be passed out under the table by now.
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)Isis & radical Islamic terrorism.
Sparkly
(24,162 posts)I've been reminded a dozen times since my last post.
Also, "Tough" and "Toughness" and "Tougher" and "Toughest" and perhaps "Tuffets" or "Truffles," depending on how long you've been playing.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)2naSalit
(87,095 posts)of their faces all evening, from the kids' debate to the second feature.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)no one knew these people before they committed terror
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Renew Deal
(81,925 posts)Sparkly
(24,162 posts)I can't believe Wolf let him get away with that.
Renew Deal
(81,925 posts)He backed off "carpet bombing" and moved to targeted bombing (basically what Obama is already doing).
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)You can't bomb ISIS out of existence because they aren't standing around in a group on some battlefield. He literally has no idea what he's talking about but just wants to impose his brand of uber-Christianity on everyone
MADem
(135,425 posts)No wonder he doesn't have time--he doesn't SAY anything!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)They like to wrap themselves in the flag....
Oh look--Gentle Ben is TALKING! And he sounds like he's high as hell...
I open up kid's heads and take out the tumor....
"Fetish the job?"
Ewww!!!!! Was he trying to say "finish?"
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)he has dry mouth again
high density
(13,397 posts)He always sounds so whiny speaking so fast.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Where the hell are we supposed to get them from?
Paulie
(8,462 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Does he realize companies pay a fortune to cut down latency by a single millisecond across the Atlantic in order to make electronic trading faster?
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Just suggest we don't have enough planes/bombs to defeat ISIS? I'm pretty sure ISIS's Air Force is non-existent.
Renew Deal
(81,925 posts)Renew Deal
(81,925 posts)Sparkly
(24,162 posts)Great. Nobody's tried that before.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Docreed2003
(16,916 posts)If I was playing a drinking game tonight....I'd be shitfaced by now
SHRED
(28,136 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)And I hate him more than before the debate started.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I don't think he is very smart
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Renew Deal
(81,925 posts)nolabear
(42,018 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)nolabear
(42,018 posts)Are there people at home cheering at this?
vadermike
(1,417 posts)As usual the GOP base loves this shit. they eat it up with the whole kill the fmailies etc etc ISIS etc .. Trump will do well again.. and they are afraid to attack him.. shit , i think its gonna be up the Dems to take this asshole down and i mean big time.. we now have a open facsist running!!! Hillary or Bernie should clobber Trump !!!
elleng
(131,602 posts)or maybe same point several times: tramp is not serious.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and got applause
I think it bolstered his spine
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)nolabear
(42,018 posts)Is there an effort to dethrone The Donald?
Renew Deal
(81,925 posts)It's happened a couple times. I think it's pre-planned.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)put there to stress how extreme tRump is and make him utterly unacceptable to all but the absolute fringe
Renew Deal
(81,925 posts)ogsball
(356 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Trump is showing his claws and it ain't pretty.
nolabear
(42,018 posts)StrayKat
(570 posts)put out a fatwa on disabled kids.
Probably got it from the same reliable source that he got the info about China being in Syria from.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)What's all this about somebody in a debate?
Is there some argument going on somewhere?
I was listening to the Sibelius Violin Concerto.. comparing Kavakos, Vengerov, Oistrahk and Kang...
Then I get a beep about a debate.. what gives...?
nolabear
(42,018 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Afraid I might miss something
dhill926
(16,399 posts)wonderful piece....
pangaia
(24,324 posts)here is Clara-Jumi Kang playing it last week with Sasha Makila, conductor, and the Mariinskiy Orchestra at the Mariinsky Theatere Concert Hall in St. Petersburg. It starts at about 20:00 after the Sibelius Karelian Overture..
The occasion of Sibelius' 150 birthday.
http://rutube.ru/video/0c57d9fc35a4a755c0b58704fe6d2f5f/
dhill926
(16,399 posts)thanks so much...
pangaia
(24,324 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Watch it live, here. Not having cable is no excuse:
http://www.cnn.com/
pangaia
(24,324 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Nah,...
I understand the opposition perfectly well, without subjecting myself to even more of them.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I commend you.
LuvLoogie
(7,092 posts)Stone cold crazy--you know!
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)From my avatar of my favorite astrophysicist.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I started piano lessons when John F. Kennedy was president. I was quite small. I still practice some.
Renew Deal
(81,925 posts)Hugh Hewitt
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)spartan61
(2,091 posts)is trying to talk with his eyes open. Do you think he was told that when he talks with closed eyes it is distracting? You are right, he is a psycho. Can't believe he actually has supporters.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Wants the US to purposely call in air strikes that will kill "thousands" of children? That is an appalling question.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)world wide wally
(21,762 posts)Eat shit, Donald.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and families
world wide wally
(21,762 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Donald Trump has made three or four good eyerolls and harrumphs that would make good animated gifs.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)nolabear
(42,018 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)nolabear
(42,018 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)Democrats/Liberals 'fraidy cats? But so far all I've heard from them is be afraid, be very afraid. They're the ones that seem scared of their own shadows.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Bernie Sanders
5m5 minutes ago
Bernie Sanders ?@BernieSanders
A lot of talk about war. No talk about the 500,000 men and women who came home with PTSD, and traumatic brain injury.
ogsball
(356 posts)3 . . . 2 . . . 1
nolabear
(42,018 posts)WooHoo!
SHRED
(28,136 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And they are playing that game like a well-tuned orchestra!!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)but he's got caught up in all the excitement. Like me and that bear....
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Wants to send 100k US troops into the Middle East to defeat ISIS.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Is the most dangerous Republican. Cruz/Trump are probably too crazy.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)still_one
(92,596 posts)destroyed HP
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)much as I hate Rubio and Cruz, if I were one of them, I'd just say, "yeah. shitty executive decisions like you made, Carly?"
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,465 posts)... we're the prisoners went out one by one to knarfle the Garthok, and we're each slaughtered in turn? That's what these guys remind me of going after Donald. And I don't think there's a Beldar amongst them.
Gus2525
(68 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Send your children
TexasBushwhacker
(20,262 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)WTF is with him?
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Is someone at the CNN desk in need of medical assistance?
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)I find her much more agreeable than most of these idiots
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)I mute the tv and put the closed caption on when she speaks.
A whole bunch of other words come to my mind.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)It looked she having a hard time controlling herself
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Her facial expressions and head bobbings are gag worthy.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Unreal.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)elleng
(131,602 posts)on certain issues at least.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)and the mods won't let him.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)What happened?
Gloria
(17,663 posts)eom?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)...not really.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He does the same huffy thing with his mouth and jaw. Creepy.
hibbing
(10,121 posts)She said President Obama and Hillary are as "far left as they come!" Hahahahahahahahahaahahhaha
Peace
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