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diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:56 AM Dec 2015

Third Eyewitness To San Bernardino Shooting Says It Wasn’t ‘Terror Couple’ Who Carried Out Attack

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/12/eyewitness-to-san-bernardino-says-it-wasnt-couple/



Earlier this month, the attorneys for the Farook family maintained that they do not believe the suspects are the ones who carried out the attacks in question.

Several eyewitnesses and family of witnesses and victims initially said that three athletic Caucasian men had been responsible for carrying out the attacks. Police immediately banned them from speaking with the media.

Just days ago, another eye-witness in the office came forward and said that in spite of what the law enforcement and mainstream media narrative is saying, the people who carried out the attack where very athletic, large, Caucasian men, who were three – not two – in number. Farook’s wife, it should be remembered weighed approximately 90lbs.
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Third Eyewitness To San Bernardino Shooting Says It Wasn’t ‘Terror Couple’ Who Carried Out Attack (Original Post) diabeticman Dec 2015 OP
So the gun battle they were in with police was just an accident? cwydro Dec 2015 #1
Hey! That's why we have the 2A -- to battle the police in cases of mistaken identity. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #7
2A? cwydro Dec 2015 #48
LOL!!!!! Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #49
Ok, whatever. cwydro Dec 2015 #51
Don't push this too hard. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #52
I have no idea what you're on about. cwydro Dec 2015 #60
I'm done with this, but you do what you need to do. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #64
So you make veiled accusations about me, cwydro Dec 2015 #65
I said EXACTLY what was on my mind. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #66
I see what you did there, love it... randys1 Dec 2015 #77
No, you haven't. cwydro Dec 2015 #80
Playing coy, it seems. Chemisse Dec 2015 #108
.. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #120
I've been here for about 11 years, and have idea what 2A or whatever is. adigal Dec 2015 #96
.. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #100
Hey thanks. cwydro Dec 2015 #119
What? kathysart_decoration Dec 2015 #153
2A = 2nd amendment wheniwasincongress Dec 2015 #53
Not to worry. It's just a bit of posturing in case someone is watching. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #56
Would you like to come out and say what you are passively aggressively trying to say? cwydro Dec 2015 #62
Thank you. cwydro Dec 2015 #61
Second Amendment southerncrone Dec 2015 #135
They reported they died in a "gun battle", yet the SUV windows were up, and shot up. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #130
Farook shot out the back window magical thyme Dec 2015 #140
"All the bombs, ammo, etc in their apartment was just a coincidence?" l.o.o.s.e.e-2 Dec 2015 #103
more likely she drove the getaway car for her husband magical thyme Dec 2015 #139
What attack? BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #2
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable. Chan790 Dec 2015 #3
It's a site that just makes shit up there is no "eyewitness" saying that... snooper2 Dec 2015 #28
yup. mopinko Dec 2015 #117
The police cannot ban anyone from speaking to the media. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #4
It was Elvis. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #5
and Syrian Bigfoot! FSogol Dec 2015 #40
It was Obama, of course Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #73
Nah, you had it right the first time. Obama did it. Also, did you hear that the randys1 Dec 2015 #78
I knew it was Obama! treestar Dec 2015 #92
It was Bill Paxton. nt awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #95
They guy who said "Yeah, but it's a dry heat." ? nt artislife Dec 2015 #105
I have to apologize awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #126
I have an aversion to Julia Roberts which may be unhealthy.... artislife Dec 2015 #128
There you go awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #137
With Marilyn! Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #123
Errrr.... what? It's not like there isn't video from inside the facility Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #6
The "HOAX SHOOTING!" claims were all over the internet 2 minutes after it became news PersonNumber503602 Dec 2015 #141
I would imagine that 1939 Dec 2015 #155
About as trustworthy as the people who said they saw a lot of Arab men in their neighborhood ck4829 Dec 2015 #8
It was an alien abduction gone wrong GusBob Dec 2015 #9
LOL Matariki Dec 2015 #76
False flag conspiracies. Laffy Kat Dec 2015 #10
Conspiracism is a viscous cycle of delusion William Seger Dec 2015 #85
Exactly what happened to my friend. Laffy Kat Dec 2015 #99
Yes a sticky situation lol! rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #150
Wow...do you live in the Seattle area, because I had to do the same. nt artislife Dec 2015 #107
I live in the Boulder, CO area. Laffy Kat Dec 2015 #113
It is wacky out there! artislife Dec 2015 #118
For some reason I seek those people out on youtube PersonNumber503602 Dec 2015 #142
I saw an interview with a witness immediately after pipoman Dec 2015 #11
OFFS, this crap belongs in Creative Speculation. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #12
Not yet. In a few weeks. For now let the Wild Rumpas Start!. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #14
LOL. GGJohn Dec 2015 #16
I took great pleasure in that book with my kids. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #17
If by "Creative Speculation" you mean "garbage can for low IQ's." WinkyDink Dec 2015 #34
Yeah, but I was being nice about it. eom GGJohn Dec 2015 #38
Its possible witnesses could have seen the guy who checked himself into a mental hospital, ... 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #13
Creative Speculation is thataway ---> Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #15
I love fake news from countercurrentfakenews Bonx Dec 2015 #18
and so is spawned yet another "truther" meme of stupidity. Javaman Dec 2015 #19
I heard that a Buzzard has also been implicated in the attacks (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #20
Specifically a door buzzard n/t PasadenaTrudy Dec 2015 #136
Something is wrong with this story from day one malaise Dec 2015 #21
OFFS, what's strange about this story? GGJohn Dec 2015 #22
Those are just tangential sarisataka Dec 2015 #26
I loved that episode of The Big Bang Theory. GGJohn Dec 2015 #29
FAn too? My friend got me tix to a taping, and the show I went to see taped was the randys1 Dec 2015 #79
We also have the series on blu ray, GGJohn Dec 2015 #149
I heard on the internets that he was handcuffed while driving their isis-mobile. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #68
It's likely they were just in a hurry to pick up their child from the babysitter. Chemisse Dec 2015 #110
Perhaps they were running late to watch a movie, and they didn't have time to be pulled over. PersonNumber503602 Dec 2015 #143
Like what? cali Dec 2015 #35
Like he was angry left, returned and shot up persons malaise Dec 2015 #71
and dark skinned individuals was mentioned several times during the Boston Marathon bombing JI7 Dec 2015 #97
It is strange to have that combination. Chemisse Dec 2015 #111
Surprised Alex Jones hasn't begun pushing this theory. bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #23
He was, literally within hours (n/t) William Seger Dec 2015 #121
So it was a coincidence leftynyc Dec 2015 #24
You can't build a proper conspiracy theory with facts,silly. sufrommich Dec 2015 #27
The lengths some will leftynyc Dec 2015 #39
MIHOP! ileus Dec 2015 #33
I prefer IHOP kiva Dec 2015 #44
The bomb factory was staged after the fact!!!1!!! jeff47 Dec 2015 #81
Nah leftynyc Dec 2015 #84
Uh....why would I explicitly label it sarcasm if I believed any of it? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #86
My question was leftynyc Dec 2015 #87
Very early on,police scanners identified one of sufrommich Dec 2015 #25
That's what they want you to think! jeff47 Dec 2015 #82
Why are you peddling this horseshit? No really, why? Throd Dec 2015 #30
Because the obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2015 #55
On a doormat shopping trip? FrodosPet Dec 2015 #58
So the video of the car was a hoax? :-P Oh, and if you believe that cops can "ban" citizens from WinkyDink Dec 2015 #31
so it was those 3 white guys after all. ileus Dec 2015 #32
"Police immediately banned them from speaking with the media." jberryhill Dec 2015 #36
Jedi mind trick, "you will not talk to the police." Rex Dec 2015 #47
I know, right? cwydro Dec 2015 #83
"Breathe one word of this and the buzzard gets it, see?" nt Codeine Dec 2015 #106
Eyewitness accounts are always crappy. Oneironaut Dec 2015 #37
San B Truthers unite Bucky Dec 2015 #41
Dyslexics Of The World: Untie! FrodosPet Dec 2015 #59
Or... revmclaren Dec 2015 #91
Another story from the same source, same topic. Same stupidity. Archae Dec 2015 #42
WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! MohRokTah Dec 2015 #43
Were you planning on coming back to this thread? tammywammy Dec 2015 #45
The door buzzard is implicated somehow. cwydro Dec 2015 #50
So where are the marks on their arms and legs? If they were bound and handcuffed Rex Dec 2015 #46
Could we not do this please? Marrah_G Dec 2015 #54
Yea, but what does your wife think? nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #57
You mean the men on the grassy knoll? Rstrstx Dec 2015 #63
once again a very interesting OP olddots Dec 2015 #67
That's not what he says in the video; and he was in the bathroom at the time muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #69
We don't allow CT bullshit from InfoWars, PrisonPlanet, Breitbart, etc... Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #70
Merry Christmas! EL34x4 Dec 2015 #72
The Wife is innocent! Conclusive proof!! MowCowWhoHow III Dec 2015 #74
What is "countercurrentnews"? Matariki Dec 2015 #75
I always thought they were just trolls who put out ridiculous stories for "the lulz" PersonNumber503602 Dec 2015 #144
I find it hard to believe this thread garnered more than 4 or 5 replies. randome Dec 2015 #88
Goofing on a conspiracy theory is probably stress relief right now. HuckleB Dec 2015 #89
This isn't even remotely credible. People make up stuff and post it on the internet all the time. Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #90
Eyewitnesses can be horrible recorders of events aikoaiko Dec 2015 #93
Can be? SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #101
Possible false flag operation by Right-Wing Fanatics? ArnoldLayne Dec 2015 #116
Oh FFS... SidDithers Dec 2015 #94
^This nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #133
Truther bullshit melman Dec 2015 #98
I heard they also had a buzzard greeting people at their house. Egnever Dec 2015 #102
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #104
ooomf!!! Texasgal Dec 2015 #109
Diabeticman loves to waltz in, take a huge shit on the board, and scamper off. Codeine Dec 2015 #112
...and sings the classic russian trololololololololtrolololololoooooo Quantess Dec 2015 #124
his eyes were heavy, he carried a card d_r Dec 2015 #114
Is there a reason Hosts haven't locked this?... SidDithers Dec 2015 #115
Performance Art is allowed in GD. Kaleva Dec 2015 #132
The post is not complete CreekDog Dec 2015 #148
Well... pinboy3niner Dec 2015 #152
Are the two dead attackers considered Caucasian? madville Dec 2015 #122
I knows what it was it was people sent there by Obama. Obama doc03 Dec 2015 #125
I heard another one, people say they saw on Facebook they caught three Muslims doc03 Dec 2015 #127
. RandySF Dec 2015 #129
what nonsense ibegurpard Dec 2015 #131
The lawyer David Chesley is also a Sandy Hook Truther..... Historic NY Dec 2015 #134
The article cites an LA Times video as its source ucrdem Dec 2015 #138
That was the initial reports coming out. I hadn't heard this development. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #145
Why did you hit and run post a conspiracy theory? CreekDog Dec 2015 #146
Countercurrent news is not precisely news nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #147
I believe these were the same 3 large Caucasian men who ellenrr Dec 2015 #151
I think some of that confusion was because the SWAT team arrived so quickly. alphafemale Dec 2015 #154
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
1. So the gun battle they were in with police was just an accident?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:59 AM
Dec 2015

All the bombs, ammo, etc in their apartment was just a coincidence?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
51. Ok, whatever.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:04 PM
Dec 2015

I asked you politely. You have chosen to be rude to me twice today.

Have a good one.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
52. Don't push this too hard.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:06 PM
Dec 2015

Accept that you've been revealed, breathe a sigh of relief I haven't pulled the lever on the trap door, and move on.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
60. I have no idea what you're on about.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:27 PM
Dec 2015

Apparently you have some problem with me. No idea why.

Try to remember that the person on the other end of the keyboard is a human being.

If you are making some sort of veiled thread, please bring it out into the open or contact the admins. I may do so myself because I find your comments disturbing.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
65. So you make veiled accusations about me,
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:44 PM
Dec 2015

but are too cowardly to actually say them out loud.

I've been a member of this site for a long damn time. I have no idea why you suddenly have targeted me for your nastiness.

Would you like to tell me why you've suddenly attacked me?

Come on "clik", go for it.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
80. No, you haven't.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

I've asked you again and again to explain what your problem is with me.

You have not done so.

That's cowardly.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
108. Playing coy, it seems.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:11 PM
Dec 2015

Rather an unpleasant way to have a discussion. I've known people who do that as an attention-getting strategy.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
119. Hey thanks.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:06 PM
Dec 2015

For some reason, this poster has decided to attack me today.

As far as I know, I've never even interacted with him before, but apparently I've gotten on his bad side.

Someone did message me about his participation on a right-wing site, so perhaps that's what this is about.

Very odd.

 
153. What?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:06 AM
Dec 2015

I, also, don't know what it is. I, also, don't understand the need to be sarcastic just because someone doesn't know something you apparently do. This is the kind of attitude that is too often seen and is completely unnecessary. Some of us are just trying to understand things. As my father use to say, there is no such thing as a dumb question. There, also, should be no need to insult people who are being honest in their quest for information. Can anyone explain what this is without insulting the questioners?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
62. Would you like to come out and say what you are passively aggressively trying to say?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:30 PM
Dec 2015

I'm curious.

What a nasty way to go about things.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
61. Thank you.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:29 PM
Dec 2015

I've been awake all night, and fuzzy around the edges.

If the poster had written "2nd A" , I would have gotten it in a heartbeat.

Lazy posting I reckon. Or too cool for school.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
130. They reported they died in a "gun battle", yet the SUV windows were up, and shot up.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:43 AM
Dec 2015

If you are engaging in a gun battle, don't you roll down the windows to put the barrel out the window to shoot? Do you really shoot from inside a vehicle with the windows up????? Look at this picture. It made me think about this, that the reporting says they died in a gun battle.

San Bernardino: couple die in gun battle with police after mass shooting
pic
https://www.google.com/search?q=shooters+die+in+suv+in+gun+battle+san+bernardino&biw=1024&bih=726&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwixoMPnwNXJAhUKMyYKHUcmChcQ_AUICCgD&dpr=1.25#imgrc=jWyySB0ehGanXM%3A

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
140. Farook shot out the back window
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:16 AM
Dec 2015

the police shot back. Think any of them may have hit the side windows?

Yes, there was a gun battle. If you were listening on the police radio (as many of us here were) you would have heard it. It came through loud and clear.

 

l.o.o.s.e.e-2

(53 posts)
103. "All the bombs, ammo, etc in their apartment was just a coincidence?"
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:05 PM
Dec 2015

Who knows...

Maybe in a few years a court will grant a Freedom of Information Act request for the body-cam videos of our first-responders when they entered?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
139. more likely she drove the getaway car for her husband
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:14 AM
Dec 2015

and there were 2 others who, along with her husband, did the actual shooting.

Meaning there are 2 large men who got away.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
3. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:09 AM
Dec 2015

Basically, they're wrong as often as right...and the sheer number of eyewitnesses saying "Nope, those two...the dead ones. It was them." suggests these 3 are wrong about who they saw commit the attacks.

I have no doubt that they believe they saw three very athletic, large, Caucasian men...it's just more likely that they didn't see what they believe they did or that the three they did see weren't the attackers.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
28. It's a site that just makes shit up there is no "eyewitness" saying that...
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:30 PM
Dec 2015

Better just to stick to issues around door mats

mopinko

(70,112 posts)
117. yup.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:03 PM
Dec 2015

every time a plane goes down there are witness that swear it was engulfed in flames. even when it wasnt.
the brain does not work the same in a panic as it does at peace. simple fact.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
73. It was Obama, of course
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:13 PM
Dec 2015

setting this whole thing up so the public attention will be averted away from the TPP...

or maybe it was the jews, illegal mexican rapists, ballbreaking feminist lesbos, planned parenthood, jade helm, hollywood, a secret drone strike, kobe bryant's entourage, jay leno, the pepperdine football team, chelsea clinton, etc. etc. etc...

randys1

(16,286 posts)
78. Nah, you had it right the first time. Obama did it. Also, did you hear that the
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:25 PM
Dec 2015

Republican party is holding up crucial appointments that without which our country will come to great harm and they are doing this solely to harm Obama and you and me?

Nobody seems to know about it or care.

Maybe if a Black congress did that to a white prez, we would hear about it.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
126. I have to apologize
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:15 AM
Dec 2015

I have an irrational hatred of Bill Paxton. Sure, there are a lot of actors I don't like, but BP goes to the next level

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
128. I have an aversion to Julia Roberts which may be unhealthy....
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:19 AM
Dec 2015

But you gotta love that line from Aliens....no?

I had a friend who met him on a shoot somewhere in South Asia and said he was totally cool.

But he may have been happy drunk...

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
6. Errrr.... what? It's not like there isn't video from inside the facility
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:33 AM
Dec 2015

I guess this was to be expected.

Any moment now, people will start constructing mockups of the facility to prove that two attackers could not possibly have carried this out.

Because Ted Cruz.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
141. The "HOAX SHOOTING!" claims were all over the internet 2 minutes after it became news
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:00 PM
Dec 2015

The internet is a really bad place for some people, because it lets them share their mental illness with others who have similar issues.

1939

(1,683 posts)
155. I would imagine that
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:21 AM
Dec 2015

The police have retrieved the spent bullets from the shooting site and compared them to the weapons possessed by the pair. If there were bullets from an unaccounted for weapon, they are probably looking for it (and the person who has it).

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
8. About as trustworthy as the people who said they saw a lot of Arab men in their neighborhood
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:37 AM
Dec 2015

Before the shooting occurred.

They're not lying, they do believe what they saw in both places, but it's something that will probably be thrown out.

Laffy Kat

(16,382 posts)
10. False flag conspiracies.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:43 AM
Dec 2015

We will see this every single time there is a tragedy. I have a friend whom I've had to cut out of my life because she sees FF events everywhere. In her opinion even the Holocaust was staged. She became impossible to have a conversation with, to the point where I believe she is mentally ill. Really sad. If a person is on the paranoid side to begin with these reports really feed into their illness.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
85. Conspiracism is a viscous cycle of delusion
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

After buying into pretty much any of the conspiracy theories floating around, any evidence supporting the "official story" of any tragedy starts looking fake, and of course any hoaxing just proves there was a conspiracy, while the lack of "smoking gun" conspiracy evidence must be because the cover-up is so effective in controlling The Media, which also proves a conspiracy, otherwise what would they be trying so hard to hide. Most people just laugh this stuff off, but people really do get sucked into Alex Jones style bullshit, and if carried far enough, it eventually robs them of any ability to deal with reality on a rational basis.

Laffy Kat

(16,382 posts)
99. Exactly what happened to my friend.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:07 PM
Dec 2015

She is so brilliant, Cornell (physics) educated, then law school and a private practice (water law), now a master's in biology. Unfortunately, she can't keep a job because of all her conspiracy distractions. It's so, so sad. I honestly think it is at the point where she needs anti-psychotic meds.

Laffy Kat

(16,382 posts)
113. I live in the Boulder, CO area.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:28 PM
Dec 2015

I'm sure there are similar situations everywhere; it's really a phenomenon these days.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
142. For some reason I seek those people out on youtube
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:04 PM
Dec 2015

I have no idea why I do that to myself. I just find their illogical conclusions fascinating and frustrating at the same time. I'm not talking about actual researchers who use real facts to uncover shady stuff that ours and other governments do, but rather those people who make a claim based on nothing and then seek out flimsy "evidence" or flat out make it up to prove their conclusion.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
11. I saw an interview with a witness immediately after
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:44 AM
Dec 2015

Who said that she saw what appeared to be 2 men and either a small man, boy, or woman. She said the third person was smaller than the other 2.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
13. Its possible witnesses could have seen the guy who checked himself into a mental hospital, ...
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:48 AM
Dec 2015

Syed Farook and his brother (who shall remain unnamed) or an unknown co-conspirator. Tashfeen could have been a getaway driver or someone who was planning to be involved in a separate attack.



There were 3 people who claim to have seen 3 shooters and none of them described one of the shooters being shorter and having a smaller build.

Wild theory but its a possibility.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
19. and so is spawned yet another "truther" meme of stupidity.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:54 AM
Dec 2015

I wonder how much money those morons make from this grift?

malaise

(269,022 posts)
21. Something is wrong with this story from day one
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

Truth will out.

How strange that there were no cameras.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
22. OFFS, what's strange about this story?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:17 PM
Dec 2015

A fucking bomb factory was found in their home, they engaged in a shootout with the police, the husband was associated with the crime scene.
Jeez, some people just have to make something into what it's not.

sarisataka

(18,656 posts)
26. Those are just tangential
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:28 PM
Dec 2015

facts that are allowing the real perps to go free.

An open investigation will show a perfectly reasonable explanation why the couple chose to have a running gun battle with police

randys1

(16,286 posts)
79. FAn too? My friend got me tix to a taping, and the show I went to see taped was the
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:29 PM
Dec 2015

one two days after Kaley broke her leg on the horse.

I mean I am a huge fan of the show (own blu ray discs of all seasons, watch it all the time) , but lets face it, we both know why I wanted to see it in person



I am not a lucky person sometimes.

Not to mention her bad luck that week

The show has also taught me a lot about physics, i use CC and google the shit Sheldon says because half the time I never heard of it.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
149. We also have the series on blu ray,
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 10:44 PM
Dec 2015

another of our favs was Charmed, I bought my lovely wife all 8 seasons for Christmas last year.

And yes, we do know why you wanted to see it in person, you lucky dog you.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
110. It's likely they were just in a hurry to pick up their child from the babysitter.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:18 PM
Dec 2015

Police stops can be very annoying - and time-consuming. If I owned any weapons I would surely react just that way.

malaise

(269,022 posts)
71. Like he was angry left, returned and shot up persons
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:06 PM
Dec 2015

at the table where he sat. Everything about that is work place rage but the level of preparation means he was planning this for some time.

The reference to three people was repeated several times in the media.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
97. and dark skinned individuals was mentioned several times during the Boston Marathon bombing
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:01 PM
Dec 2015

it can be work place rage and terrorism.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
111. It is strange to have that combination.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:22 PM
Dec 2015

I don't know if we've seen that before. It would make more sense (if they wanted to terrorize and kill) to hit a shopping mall or bus station.

But people doing stupid or nonsensical things is something we see all the time. And you can't really argue with a shoot-out with the cops plus a load of bombs at home.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. So it was a coincidence
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:22 PM
Dec 2015

they were dressed in combat gear and happened to have a shootout with the police and just happened to have a bomb making factory and an arsenal in their home? That's quite a number of coincidences.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. The lengths some will
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:50 PM
Dec 2015

go to in order to ignore what's right in front of their faces is mind boggling. Mind bogglingly stupid.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
81. The bomb factory was staged after the fact!!!1!!!
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:42 PM
Dec 2015

And the guns were planted!!!!1!!1!!!!

And the shootout was staged!!1!!1!!1!!!1!

Wake up sheeple!!!!!eleven!!!!!!

(Do I need to add a few more !'s to get the sarcasm across?)

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
58. On a doormat shopping trip?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:20 PM
Dec 2015

Who is watching the house while the OP is searching for the "real" killers?

Maybe these guys?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
31. So the video of the car was a hoax? :-P Oh, and if you believe that cops can "ban" citizens from
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:35 PM
Dec 2015

speaking to the media, you are hopeless.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. "Police immediately banned them from speaking with the media."
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:39 PM
Dec 2015

Ah, yes, using their magic "ban you from speaking to media" rays, no doubt.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
47. Jedi mind trick, "you will not talk to the police."
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:01 PM
Dec 2015

Then they tricked the police and press, "you will not listen to these folks ever."

Oneironaut

(5,500 posts)
37. Eyewitness accounts are always crappy.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:40 PM
Dec 2015

So many things happen to make them unreliable. You can miss certain things. Your mind could pollute your memory with things that didn't happen. Your memories can also be retroactively changed by your own biases or things you saw after the event.

Basically, eye witness accounts are utter shite.

Archae

(46,328 posts)
42. Another story from the same source, same topic. Same stupidity.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:57 PM
Dec 2015

NSA and CIA Contractor Says U.S. Mercenary Group Carried Out San Bernardino Attack

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/12/san-bernardino-nsa-contractor/

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. So where are the marks on their arms and legs? If they were bound and handcuffed
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:59 PM
Dec 2015

there should be marks all over their wrists and legs. I kid...ccn is almost as bad as cnn. However, I will play along...

So the couple were in the back of the SUV tied up and handcuffed...and the three big white men all used their cloaking device as the police rolled up on the scene? Of course not before the three white men unbound the couple and threw them in the front seat. Then those three white men went to their home (cloaked) and planted bomb material all over the place. Dastardly! They must have also used their jedi mind trick on the neighbor to cause him to have a nervous breakdown.

No doubt they had cloaking technology and time freeze...a very high level spell. So now we now...the three white men were JEDI!!

DUN DUN DUN!



Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
63. You mean the men on the grassy knoll?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:33 PM
Dec 2015

I heard all the stuff seized from the Farook house was planted by Donald Trump's people.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
69. That's not what he says in the video; and he was in the bathroom at the time
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:05 PM
Dec 2015

In the video, he says he couldn't believe it was Farook. Not that he knows it wasn't him, nor that someone told him to lie.

But he wasn't an eyewitness - he was in the bathroom during the whole shooting:

Baccari and Nwadike had just left for the bathroom on their break when they heard a blast followed by a series of gunshots. Baccari was reaching for a towel to dry his hands when a bullet ripped through the dispenser and sent shrapnel spraying across the room. “Get down, get down, get down!” Baccari yelled, even though he had no idea what was happening. They dove for cover on the floor. Nwadike hid in a stall. Parts of the ceiling fell down on them, and they pushed the bathroom door closed with their legs. Nwadike thought he could smell gunpowder.

Baccari thought he could hear muffled screaming coming in between the blasts in the conference room, about 20 feet down the hall. “It was like the world was ending in there,” he said. “We had no idea what it was.”
...
Four minutes after the shooting had started, more people in tactical gear came rushing into the room with their guns drawn. “Police!” one said, and the officers moved through the conference room and then into the bathroom, where Baccari and Nwadike were still cowering. “Don’t take anything! Everyone get your hands up,” Nwadike remembered an officer saying, and they hurried the survivors through a hallway and out of the building, past the conference room where their morning had begun.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/san-bernardino-shooting-how-the-tragedy-unfolded-a6760356.html

What you have link to here is a bullshit website.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
144. I always thought they were just trolls who put out ridiculous stories for "the lulz"
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:16 PM
Dec 2015

just to see how many people would grab onto them. I could be wrong through, but a lot of the stuff I've seen there seems obviously fake and meant to be seen as fake by those who "get it".

As I said, I could be wrong. I never looked too hard into them.


***or not. Looks like maybe they are serious. :/

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
88. I find it hard to believe this thread garnered more than 4 or 5 replies.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
90. This isn't even remotely credible. People make up stuff and post it on the internet all the time.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 05:42 PM
Dec 2015

There is no doubt that it was the two who were killed in the car shootout who did it.

There is an incredible amount of evidence proving it.

The video at that link does not contain the statements that the article says it does.

Response to diabeticman (Original post)

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
112. Diabeticman loves to waltz in, take a huge shit on the board, and scamper off.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:27 PM
Dec 2015

Never steps up to defend or debate his point, just sits back and trololols at the mess.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
124. ...and sings the classic russian trololololololololtrolololololoooooo
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:10 AM
Dec 2015

then flushes the toilet, gleefully.

That's quite an idea, there. But, probably just imagining things.

madville

(7,410 posts)
122. Are the two dead attackers considered Caucasian?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:56 PM
Dec 2015

I guess if one was from Pakistan that would be considered Mongloid?

doc03

(35,340 posts)
125. I knows what it was it was people sent there by Obama. Obama
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:14 AM
Dec 2015

ordered the attack in order to take our guns from us. I read that on an e-mail I got from the NRA along with a
request for a $35 donation.

doc03

(35,340 posts)
127. I heard another one, people say they saw on Facebook they caught three Muslims
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:16 AM
Dec 2015

checking out exit doors at the mall theater.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
134. The lawyer David Chesley is also a Sandy Hook Truther.....
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:14 AM
Dec 2015

Chesley had already teased the terrorist act as another false flag like Sandy Hook, he said, and then during Friday’s presser the attorney harkened all kinds of strange ideas including comparing Tashfeen Malik’s last-minute allegiance to ISIS to loathing Britney Spears music to accusing authorities of inventing the dozen pipe bombs police say they discovered in the mass murderers’ home.

Mohammad Abuershaid distanced himself from his partner’s hyperbole in an interview with The Daily Beast on Saturday.

“I never made any statements about like Sandy Hook,” Abuershaid said. “I can’t speak for him.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/08/syed-rizwan-farook-s-lawyer-bashed-ex-client-on-yelp.html


I'm sure there will be more identifications made by those hospitalized...once statements can be made.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027414572

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
138. The article cites an LA Times video as its source
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 11:05 AM
Dec 2015

and accurately represents eyewitnesses Chris Nwadike's disbelief when told that his coworker Farook was the gunman:

San Bernardino eyewitness account: Chris Nwadike

Published on Dec 4, 2015 | Chris Nwadike tells reporters what he saw during the San Bernardino shootings at the Inland Regional Center.

But the claim that the shooters were three tall men comes from at least two other eyewitness interviews broadcast on the day the shootings.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
151. I believe these were the same 3 large Caucasian men who
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:10 AM
Dec 2015

were seen fleeing the Sandy Hook Shooting..

also seen at the Boston Marathon bombing..

they do get around.

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If you want to see just how f'd up people get about these so-called "false flag operations" go to inforwars, Alex Jones' site. I won't link to that broad-ass idiot.
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I had someone tell me (and this is a very sane, very excellent anti-fracking activist) - so go figure.
She told me that the shots we saw on TV of the scene at San Bernadino were actually shots from a training exercise that had taken place at an earlier time.

The lengths some people will go to - they suspend all logic to pursue their conspiracy theories.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
154. I think some of that confusion was because the SWAT team arrived so quickly.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:14 AM
Dec 2015

And it was a populated area with many eye witnesses.

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