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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThird Eyewitness To San Bernardino Shooting Says It Wasn’t ‘Terror Couple’ Who Carried Out Attack
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/12/eyewitness-to-san-bernardino-says-it-wasnt-couple/Earlier this month, the attorneys for the Farook family maintained that they do not believe the suspects are the ones who carried out the attacks in question.
Several eyewitnesses and family of witnesses and victims initially said that three athletic Caucasian men had been responsible for carrying out the attacks. Police immediately banned them from speaking with the media.
Just days ago, another eye-witness in the office came forward and said that in spite of what the law enforcement and mainstream media narrative is saying, the people who carried out the attack where very athletic, large, Caucasian men, who were three not two in number. Farooks wife, it should be remembered weighed approximately 90lbs.
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)All the bombs, ammo, etc in their apartment was just a coincidence?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I don't know what that is. Sorry.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Please!
Did you just arrive?
Just emerge from some cold, dark, damp space?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I asked you politely. You have chosen to be rude to me twice today.
Have a good one.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Accept that you've been revealed, breathe a sigh of relief I haven't pulled the lever on the trap door, and move on.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Apparently you have some problem with me. No idea why.
Try to remember that the person on the other end of the keyboard is a human being.
If you are making some sort of veiled thread, please bring it out into the open or contact the admins. I may do so myself because I find your comments disturbing.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)but are too cowardly to actually say them out loud.
I've been a member of this site for a long damn time. I have no idea why you suddenly have targeted me for your nastiness.
Would you like to tell me why you've suddenly attacked me?
Come on "clik", go for it.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Let's not pretend, ok?
randys1
(16,286 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I've asked you again and again to explain what your problem is with me.
You have not done so.
That's cowardly.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)Rather an unpleasant way to have a discussion. I've known people who do that as an attention-getting strategy.
adigal
(7,581 posts)And you were rude.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)For some reason, this poster has decided to attack me today.
As far as I know, I've never even interacted with him before, but apparently I've gotten on his bad side.
Someone did message me about his participation on a right-wing site, so perhaps that's what this is about.
Very odd.
kathysart_decoration
(86 posts)I, also, don't know what it is. I, also, don't understand the need to be sarcastic just because someone doesn't know something you apparently do. This is the kind of attitude that is too often seen and is completely unnecessary. Some of us are just trying to understand things. As my father use to say, there is no such thing as a dumb question. There, also, should be no need to insult people who are being honest in their quest for information. Can anyone explain what this is without insulting the questioners?
wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I'm curious.
What a nasty way to go about things.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I've been awake all night, and fuzzy around the edges.
If the poster had written "2nd A" , I would have gotten it in a heartbeat.
Lazy posting I reckon. Or too cool for school.
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)If you are engaging in a gun battle, don't you roll down the windows to put the barrel out the window to shoot? Do you really shoot from inside a vehicle with the windows up????? Look at this picture. It made me think about this, that the reporting says they died in a gun battle.
San Bernardino: couple die in gun battle with police after mass shooting
pic
https://www.google.com/search?q=shooters+die+in+suv+in+gun+battle+san+bernardino&biw=1024&bih=726&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwixoMPnwNXJAhUKMyYKHUcmChcQ_AUICCgD&dpr=1.25#imgrc=jWyySB0ehGanXM%3A
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)the police shot back. Think any of them may have hit the side windows?
Yes, there was a gun battle. If you were listening on the police radio (as many of us here were) you would have heard it. It came through loud and clear.
l.o.o.s.e.e-2
(53 posts)Who knows...
Maybe in a few years a court will grant a Freedom of Information Act request for the body-cam videos of our first-responders when they entered?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and there were 2 others who, along with her husband, did the actual shooting.
Meaning there are 2 large men who got away.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)Basically, they're wrong as often as right...and the sheer number of eyewitnesses saying "Nope, those two...the dead ones. It was them." suggests these 3 are wrong about who they saw commit the attacks.
I have no doubt that they believe they saw three very athletic, large, Caucasian men...it's just more likely that they didn't see what they believe they did or that the three they did see weren't the attackers.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Better just to stick to issues around door mats
every time a plane goes down there are witness that swear it was engulfed in flames. even when it wasnt.
the brain does not work the same in a panic as it does at peace. simple fact.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)setting this whole thing up so the public attention will be averted away from the TPP...
or maybe it was the jews, illegal mexican rapists, ballbreaking feminist lesbos, planned parenthood, jade helm, hollywood, a secret drone strike, kobe bryant's entourage, jay leno, the pepperdine football team, chelsea clinton, etc. etc. etc...
randys1
(16,286 posts)Republican party is holding up crucial appointments that without which our country will come to great harm and they are doing this solely to harm Obama and you and me?
Nobody seems to know about it or care.
Maybe if a Black congress did that to a white prez, we would hear about it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I have an irrational hatred of Bill Paxton. Sure, there are a lot of actors I don't like, but BP goes to the next level
artislife
(9,497 posts)But you gotta love that line from Aliens....no?
I had a friend who met him on a shoot somewhere in South Asia and said he was totally cool.
But he may have been happy drunk...
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)making me feel good about him
Docreed2003
(16,861 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I guess this was to be expected.
Any moment now, people will start constructing mockups of the facility to prove that two attackers could not possibly have carried this out.
Because Ted Cruz.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)The internet is a really bad place for some people, because it lets them share their mental illness with others who have similar issues.
1939
(1,683 posts)The police have retrieved the spent bullets from the shooting site and compared them to the weapons possessed by the pair. If there were bullets from an unaccounted for weapon, they are probably looking for it (and the person who has it).
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Before the shooting occurred.
They're not lying, they do believe what they saw in both places, but it's something that will probably be thrown out.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)nt
CAUCASIAN ALIENS!!! From the Government!!!1!
Laffy Kat
(16,382 posts)We will see this every single time there is a tragedy. I have a friend whom I've had to cut out of my life because she sees FF events everywhere. In her opinion even the Holocaust was staged. She became impossible to have a conversation with, to the point where I believe she is mentally ill. Really sad. If a person is on the paranoid side to begin with these reports really feed into their illness.
William Seger
(10,778 posts)After buying into pretty much any of the conspiracy theories floating around, any evidence supporting the "official story" of any tragedy starts looking fake, and of course any hoaxing just proves there was a conspiracy, while the lack of "smoking gun" conspiracy evidence must be because the cover-up is so effective in controlling The Media, which also proves a conspiracy, otherwise what would they be trying so hard to hide. Most people just laugh this stuff off, but people really do get sucked into Alex Jones style bullshit, and if carried far enough, it eventually robs them of any ability to deal with reality on a rational basis.
Laffy Kat
(16,382 posts)She is so brilliant, Cornell (physics) educated, then law school and a private practice (water law), now a master's in biology. Unfortunately, she can't keep a job because of all her conspiracy distractions. It's so, so sad. I honestly think it is at the point where she needs anti-psychotic meds.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,382 posts)I'm sure there are similar situations everywhere; it's really a phenomenon these days.
artislife
(9,497 posts)PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)I have no idea why I do that to myself. I just find their illogical conclusions fascinating and frustrating at the same time. I'm not talking about actual researchers who use real facts to uncover shady stuff that ours and other governments do, but rather those people who make a claim based on nothing and then seek out flimsy "evidence" or flat out make it up to prove their conclusion.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Who said that she saw what appeared to be 2 men and either a small man, boy, or woman. She said the third person was smaller than the other 2.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Love that picture and correctly describes this thread.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Syed Farook and his brother (who shall remain unnamed) or an unknown co-conspirator. Tashfeen could have been a getaway driver or someone who was planning to be involved in a separate attack.
There were 3 people who claim to have seen 3 shooters and none of them described one of the shooters being shorter and having a smaller build.
Wild theory but its a possibility.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Bonx
(2,053 posts)it's the extra fakery that makes it special.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)I wonder how much money those morons make from this grift?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)malaise
(269,022 posts)Truth will out.
How strange that there were no cameras.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)A fucking bomb factory was found in their home, they engaged in a shootout with the police, the husband was associated with the crime scene.
Jeez, some people just have to make something into what it's not.
sarisataka
(18,656 posts)facts that are allowing the real perps to go free.
An open investigation will show a perfectly reasonable explanation why the couple chose to have a running gun battle with police
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)one two days after Kaley broke her leg on the horse.
I mean I am a huge fan of the show (own blu ray discs of all seasons, watch it all the time) , but lets face it, we both know why I wanted to see it in person
I am not a lucky person sometimes.
Not to mention her bad luck that week
The show has also taught me a lot about physics, i use CC and google the shit Sheldon says because half the time I never heard of it.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)another of our favs was Charmed, I bought my lovely wife all 8 seasons for Christmas last year.
And yes, we do know why you wanted to see it in person, you lucky dog you.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Chemisse
(30,813 posts)Police stops can be very annoying - and time-consuming. If I owned any weapons I would surely react just that way.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)malaise
(269,022 posts)at the table where he sat. Everything about that is work place rage but the level of preparation means he was planning this for some time.
The reference to three people was repeated several times in the media.
JI7
(89,250 posts)it can be work place rage and terrorism.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)I don't know if we've seen that before. It would make more sense (if they wanted to terrorize and kill) to hit a shopping mall or bus station.
But people doing stupid or nonsensical things is something we see all the time. And you can't really argue with a shoot-out with the cops plus a load of bombs at home.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)William Seger
(10,778 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)they were dressed in combat gear and happened to have a shootout with the police and just happened to have a bomb making factory and an arsenal in their home? That's quite a number of coincidences.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)go to in order to ignore what's right in front of their faces is mind boggling. Mind bogglingly stupid.
Much better pancakes.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And the guns were planted!!!!1!!1!!!!
And the shootout was staged!!1!!1!!1!!!1!
Wake up sheeple!!!!!eleven!!!!!!
(Do I need to add a few more !'s to get the sarcasm across?)
I'm laughing hard enough already. Do you even believe this insanity?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)entirely rhetorical. I thought that was obvious. Sorry.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)the shooters as an "arab female".
jeff47
(26,549 posts)( )
Throd
(7,208 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)wife is out of town ....
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Who is watching the house while the OP is searching for the "real" killers?
Maybe these guys?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)speaking to the media, you are hopeless.
ileus
(15,396 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Ah, yes, using their magic "ban you from speaking to media" rays, no doubt.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Then they tricked the police and press, "you will not listen to these folks ever."
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Oneironaut
(5,500 posts)So many things happen to make them unreliable. You can miss certain things. Your mind could pollute your memory with things that didn't happen. Your memories can also be retroactively changed by your own biases or things you saw after the event.
Basically, eye witness accounts are utter shite.
Bucky
(54,013 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)revmclaren
(2,524 posts)"I am Dyslexus of Borg. Your ass will be laminated."
Archae
(46,328 posts)NSA and CIA Contractor Says U.S. Mercenary Group Carried Out San Bernardino Attack
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/12/san-bernardino-nsa-contractor/
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)At least tell us what your wife thinks.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)there should be marks all over their wrists and legs. I kid...ccn is almost as bad as cnn. However, I will play along...
So the couple were in the back of the SUV tied up and handcuffed...and the three big white men all used their cloaking device as the police rolled up on the scene? Of course not before the three white men unbound the couple and threw them in the front seat. Then those three white men went to their home (cloaked) and planted bomb material all over the place. Dastardly! They must have also used their jedi mind trick on the neighbor to cause him to have a nervous breakdown.
No doubt they had cloaking technology and time freeze...a very high level spell. So now we now...the three white men were JEDI!!
DUN DUN DUN!
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Rstrstx
(1,399 posts)I heard all the stuff seized from the Farook house was planted by Donald Trump's people.
olddots
(10,237 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)In the video, he says he couldn't believe it was Farook. Not that he knows it wasn't him, nor that someone told him to lie.
But he wasn't an eyewitness - he was in the bathroom during the whole shooting:
Baccari thought he could hear muffled screaming coming in between the blasts in the conference room, about 20 feet down the hall. It was like the world was ending in there, he said. We had no idea what it was.
...
Four minutes after the shooting had started, more people in tactical gear came rushing into the room with their guns drawn. Police! one said, and the officers moved through the conference room and then into the bathroom, where Baccari and Nwadike were still cowering. Dont take anything! Everyone get your hands up, Nwadike remembered an officer saying, and they hurried the survivors through a hallway and out of the building, past the conference room where their morning had begun.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/san-bernardino-shooting-how-the-tragedy-unfolded-a6760356.html
What you have link to here is a bullshit website.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)why is this allowed?
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Have you fed your door buzzard today?
MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Art Bell?
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)just to see how many people would grab onto them. I could be wrong through, but a lot of the stuff I've seen there seems obviously fake and meant to be seen as fake by those who "get it".
As I said, I could be wrong. I never looked too hard into them.
***or not. Looks like maybe they are serious. :/
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)There is no doubt that it was the two who were killed in the car shootout who did it.
There is an incredible amount of evidence proving it.
The video at that link does not contain the statements that the article says it does.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I believe stats are more like "usually are."
ArnoldLayne
(2,067 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)Response to diabeticman (Original post)
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Texasgal
(17,045 posts)+ 1000
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Never steps up to defend or debate his point, just sits back and trololols at the mess.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)then flushes the toilet, gleefully.
That's quite an idea, there. But, probably just imagining things.
d_r
(6,907 posts)one couple questioned, the others discharged.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Oh, wait. Nevermind.
Sid
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Until we find out what his wife thinks.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)madville
(7,410 posts)I guess if one was from Pakistan that would be considered Mongloid?
doc03
(35,340 posts)ordered the attack in order to take our guns from us. I read that on an e-mail I got from the NRA along with a
request for a $35 donation.
doc03
(35,340 posts)checking out exit doors at the mall theater.
RandySF
(58,874 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Chesley had already teased the terrorist act as another false flag like Sandy Hook, he said, and then during Fridays presser the attorney harkened all kinds of strange ideas including comparing Tashfeen Maliks last-minute allegiance to ISIS to loathing Britney Spears music to accusing authorities of inventing the dozen pipe bombs police say they discovered in the mass murderers home.
Mohammad Abuershaid distanced himself from his partners hyperbole in an interview with The Daily Beast on Saturday.
I never made any statements about like Sandy Hook, Abuershaid said. I cant speak for him.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/08/syed-rizwan-farook-s-lawyer-bashed-ex-client-on-yelp.html
I'm sure there will be more identifications made by those hospitalized...once statements can be made.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027414572
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and accurately represents eyewitnesses Chris Nwadike's disbelief when told that his coworker Farook was the gunman:
Published on Dec 4, 2015 | Chris Nwadike tells reporters what he saw during the San Bernardino shootings at the Inland Regional Center.
But the claim that the shooters were three tall men comes from at least two other eyewitness interviews broadcast on the day the shootings.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Was that some sort of attempt to disrupt?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)take my word on this
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)were seen fleeing the Sandy Hook Shooting..
also seen at the Boston Marathon bombing..
they do get around.
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If you want to see just how f'd up people get about these so-called "false flag operations" go to inforwars, Alex Jones' site. I won't link to that broad-ass idiot.
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I had someone tell me (and this is a very sane, very excellent anti-fracking activist) - so go figure.
She told me that the shots we saw on TV of the scene at San Bernadino were actually shots from a training exercise that had taken place at an earlier time.
The lengths some people will go to - they suspend all logic to pursue their conspiracy theories.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)And it was a populated area with many eye witnesses.