Justice Scalia Suggests Blacks Belong at "Slower" Colleges .........(Yes, he really said that.)

[dixiegrrrrl]

"There are those who contend that it does not benefit African Americans to get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school where they do well.

One of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the University of Texas.
They come from lesser schools where they do not feel that they're being pushed ahead in classes that are too fast for them."

He went on to say, "I'm just not impressed by the fact the University of Texas may have fewer [blacks]. Maybe it ought to have fewer. I don't think it stands to reason that it's a good thing for the University of Texas to admit as many blacks as possible."

Here is the link for the context of his comments regarding Univ. of Texas admission lawsuit.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/justice-scalia-suggests-blacks-belong-slower-colleges-fisher-university-texas

[spanone]

1. a disgusting human being

[ananda]

19. "human" is too kind

..

[Blue_Tires]

2. Folks aren't even trying to hide it anymore...

[yuiyoshida]

30. Betting that

Sean Hannity will jump on this, at Fox News, that's the kind of story he will love to sink his teeth into... and its so Fox Friendly!

[etherealtruth]

45. No and it is sickening n/t

[Scootaloo]

78. Well, Scalia never did try, actually...

[daleanime]

88. Nope....

sure aren't.

[Warpy]

3. He has obviously never met a woman who graduated from Spelman

That senile old bigot needs to retire.

[longship]

4. Neil deGrasse Tyson might object.

Harvard A.B.
University of Texas M.A.
Columbia University PhD

In fact, I hope he does object.

[hifiguy]

13. For that matter, so might the Obamas

POTUS: Columbia, B.A.. Harvard Law School, J.D., magna cum laude, Editor-in-Chief, Harvard Law Review

FLOTUS: Princeton, B.A. cum laude, Harvard Law School, J.D.

And then there are lily-white legacies like C-plus Augustus and other members of the Bush Crime Family.

[Solomon]

18. I was an A student at Brown University and

graduated Berkeley Law School. Had a fine legal career. My wife, A student at Brown, MBA from Stanford. We both went to the same segregated public school.

Scalia can kiss my black ass! I've never understood how white supremacists explain the existence of stupid white people. Because there certainly are some stupid ass white people. If white people are so superior, even the dumbest white people would be smarter than the smartest black person. But alas,....

[panader0]

31. Wow--that's an impressive resume for both of you.

and coming from a segregated school to accomplish all that--
I think congratulations are in order.

[FrodosPet]

32. I know I am risking a hide here, but this is too funny not to share

The people promoting "white supremacy" the hardest tend to be the worst examples.

[hifiguy]

43. OMG.

Best laff of the week.

[FrodosPet]

48. Bob Rivers' Twisted Christmas is one of my favorite parts of the season.

[Number23]

50. I also went to top tiered universities and currently work at one

It makes you wonder, why did Scalia reference University of Texas so heavily?? Did he know that's where Neil Degrasse Tyson went??

[randys1]

61. Scalia is a vile and disgusting puke fuck of a human being, I am surprised he knows

how to get to work in the morning.

stupid bigot

[brush]

66. And uncle tom Clarence Thomas kisses up to him, looks to him on how to vote

Guess he knows now what racist ass Scalia thinks of him.

[AngryAmish]

72. UT is the Defendant in this case.

[Number23]

83. Ah, thanks. I read only the snippet in the OP

[JonLeibowitz]

82. I can explain

(To any would-be alerters: This post should not be taken as an endorsement of or agreement with such a despicable view, only an explanation)

If intelligence follows a probability distribution with different means and a nonzero variance one could imagine varying degrees of overlap despite the higher mean for one race or another. In this case a counterexample does not disprove the assertion.

[Solomon]

100. and you sir are full of shit.

There's simply too many stupid white people for that theory to hold any water. I won't even say "nice try" to that one.

[JonLeibowitz]

101. Thank you for the kind words.

Your mistaken beliefs notwithstanding, math continues to hold the opposite and correct answer.

[fleur-de-lisa]

5. I blame Trump . . .

this kind of obvious racial hatred is becoming the norm for the republican party. They have become emboldened by Chump's blatant fascism.

[yardwork]

7. Scalia was like this way before Trump ever got into politics.

[hifiguy]

14. Yep. Scaila has been a pompous, fascist shitbag for decades.

[Duval]

57. Trump, the Republicans and our MSM! eom

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. It sounds like very good grounds for impeachment. K&R

[KamaAina]

8. Like Harvard?

[Johonny]

64. +1

[octoberlib]

9. Why is a racist piece of shit allowed to sit on the Supreme Court ?

[DefenseLawyer]

10. Justice Campanis

[madinmaryland]

73. Wasn't he friends with Jimmy the Greek?

[AuntPatsy]

11. How many times has he proven his inability for fairness and impartial judicial decisions .....

Proof we have had problems for many many years that have been virtually ignored, it's no wonder the present state of affairs continues without the true criminals ever facing judgement for those crimes against both people and state....

[justhanginon]

12. It should be a national embarrassment to this country every day

he still sits on the highest court in the land. How sad for us that his very presence demeans an institution that even when we disagree with some rulings we generally hold (held) in high regard.

[oldandhappy]

15. A veep for Trump!

[SomethingNew]

16. I disagree with Scalia's textualist approach to the Constitution,

and I don't think he applies it evenly when it doesn't get him to the result he wants. That said, as fun as it is to get all fired up and mad, I don't think misrepresenting what he said gets us anywhere. That is just the same misleading and unfair tactic that the RW uses all the time.

Scalia obviously did not mean that AAs are less intelligent and belong at "slower-track" schools. What he meant, and I think everyone here knows it, is that people with lower test scores who get in through other metrics might be disadvantaged when competing with the 90%+ of the class that outscored them both in HS and on the SAT/ACT. You can disagree with that (I know there are many reasons to), I just don't see the point in hateful attempts to frame this as an extremely racist remark by taking it completely out of context.

Sorry, I'm new here, this is just a pet peeve of mine. I dislike when anyone on any side of an issue uses misrepresentation and deliberate misstatements of facts to make a purely emotional argument. Attack the substance, there is plenty of room to do it.

[bettyellen]

20. you are misquoting his blatantly racist remarks why exactly?

[SomethingNew]

22. I'm not and you know that. Context is important.

Dehumanizing opponents and trying to turn them in to evil caricatures doesn't help anybody.

[bettyellen]

29. Scalia's statements are racist precisely because he denies there is any context of racism. You seem

to support his denial that racism is a cause of the patterns he cites. It's a circular argument used by racists all the time.

[hifiguy]

54. Agreed. It's a potentially valid argument, in some cases,

that is being twisted around and decontextualized for nefarious reasons.

[bettyellen]

70. I have noticed that people who argue against the existence of racism or sexism often

try to argue each thing as a special snowflake moment, with no context or longer pattern/ history. See it all the time. People just play stupid.

[gratuitous]

24. Scalia was quoting from one of the amicus briefs

And apparently, he agreed with the brief's argument, which Scalia characterized as "most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the University of Texas." There is no context for this remark. It's not part of the record before the Court, it's an argument from an amicus brief, but Scalia pulled it out as if it had any meaning or bearing on the matter at hand.

Several questions immediately pose themselves for the intellectually honest observer: Assuming it's true that "most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the University of Texas," why is that? Is it due, as Scalia characterized the statement, to "being pushed ahead in classes that are too fast for them," or might there be another reason? Also, what does it mean to create a category of "schools like the University of Texas"? What schools might be included in that category, and which ones would not? Would the schools that don't fit that category be "better" or "worse" than the University of Texas? The context of Scalia's remark indicates that he would consider the excluded schools to be worse.

But let's delve just a smidgen deeper into the "why" aspect: Is it necessarily and exclusively because black students aren't fast enough? Or is it an easily predictable product of historic racial exclusion? Or is it possible most black scientists come from schools inferior to the University of Texas because they were red-lined from the get-go from getting into one of the "better" schools. Perhaps today's black scientists and other black professionals don't have transcripts from schools like the University of Texas because those schools discriminated against them long ago during the application process right out of high school.

Sadly, Justice Scalia's remarks don't touch on that possibility at all. He simply makes the blanket statement and reaches his racist conclusion without admitting any other factor. It's like saying black athletes are inferior to white athletes, because a black man never led the Major Leagues in home runs from 1901 through 1945. There's another reason for that, but Scalia probably wouldn't recognize it.

[Gormy Cuss]

27. He used a specious argument to conclude that Affirmative Action was bad.

That most African-American talent in certain fields graduated from less prestigious colleges means nothing without an examination of why the pattern exists. Perhaps it's because poverty limited their choices. Perhaps it's because more selective colleges relied on race and income-biased metrics like SAT/ACT scores. Perhaps it's because they chose to be in environments where being a POC wasn't a novelty act.

[SomethingNew]

33. All valid arguments that are worth making.

Foot stomping and accusing Scalia of being evil incarnate isn't.

[uppityperson]

34. Who in the world is doing that? Ft stomping & accusing him of being the devil?

[Warren DeMontague]

35. Anyone who wears this hat non-ironically

Deserves all the opprobrium which what comes his way.

[hifiguy]

47. I vaguely recognize that hat

but do not know it's significance. Something medieval and ecclesiastical, is it not?

[Warren DeMontague]

51. I believe the Benedictine Monks referred to it as a "go shit in your hat, hat"

That was the technical term.

[hifiguy]

53. That sounds right, especially for Fat Tony.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. He's a thoroughly unpleasant man, isn't he?

Remember when he complained in his dissent that the Lawrence v. Texas decision meant the government might not even be able to outlaw blasphemy and private behavior like masturbation anymore?

What a fuckhead.

Sorry, fuckhat.

[hifiguy]

60. To quote underground cartoonist S. Clay Wilson's character

The Checkered Demon, he is a tower of turds. A short, squat tower of turds.

[whathehell]

79. Stay classy, Warren..

[JustAnotherGen]

63. No one did that

However, you will find that there are some of us here who have as entire groups been "dehumanized" by his kind.

Yes - his kind.

He's a disgrace and I won't shed a tear when he dies.

We don't all have to like one another. We are allowed the Freedom of Speech and thought. Chastising Liberals for pointing out he's a piece of shit used car salesman is your right too. But expect to be chastised back.

You are new here - keep reading. He's up there with Bull Connor at DU - and for good reason.

[brush]

74. You don't have to foot stomp to state what Scalia is

He's a blatant racist and his remark about AA doctors couldn't be more obvious.

He's a pompous, racist ass and you are defending him on a progressive site for some strange reason.

Get a grip, dude. You might try Free Republic or World Net Daily.

[brush]

68. "What he meant was . . ." your words . . . "and people here know it"

Sorry, we don't need your bogus attempt to clean up Scalia's blatant racism.

What he meant was what he quoted and later confirmed with his "most black doctors" remark:

"There are those who contend that it does not benefit African Americans to get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school where they do well.

Enjoy your stay here.

[SomethingNew]

93. You can think that I guess but it is intellectually dishonest.

Don't try to paint me as not progressive enough just because I don't agree with your irrational hatred and jumping at the "racism" in what was really just an poorly worded statement with a clear context and underlying meaning.

[Skittles]

94. "just a poorly worded statement"

do you KNOW Scalia's racist, sexist, homophobic history?

[SomethingNew]

95. Homophobic, yes.

I read his dissent in Lawrence in LS. His worry that it would forbid laws banning "bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity" was one of the worst dissents I've ever read.

[brush]

96. I would say you're the intellectually dishonest one

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And my pity, not hatred, of racist Scalia is entirely rational. Anyone living in 2015 who still pushes the long disproven canard that African Americans are cognitively slower than whites is to be pitied, especially when he has to know that Barack Obama, a brilliant African American, is in the White House.

He must have been living in an intellectual cave for the last half century, and perhaps you have been his cave mate not to know of Scalia's many racist pronouncements and rulings.

Your defense of him here on this progressive site is distasteful and out of place. And trust me, you'll not win many fans here with this stale crappola.

[edhopper]

17. Sounds like Scalia

longs for the days of Plessy v. Ferguson.

Brown v.Board of Ed must stick in his craw.

[hifiguy]

21. I see Scalia, as I saw Rehnquist, as a guy

who sits around on the weekend looking for loopholes in the Emancipation Proclamation.

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

23. Because his personal experience is Clarence Thomas n/t

[gratuitous]

26. And Silent Clarence was, as usual, silent

Even though Justice Thomas went to Holy Cross, it didn't occur to him to clear his throat and say, "Uh, Justice Scalia? A word?" Nope, Justice Thomas has his sinecure, and sawing through the rungs on the ladder of advancement takes up all his time anymore.

[hifiguy]

49. Hey, Uncle Ruckus climbed the ladder.

He's been pulling it up ever since he made it to the top.

[JonLeibowitz]

84. Not exactly

He despises his alma mater, Yale, and intentionally hires law clerks from not-the-most-elite law schools because he thinks quality is overlooked.

[hifiguy]

85. My point, perhaps unclear, is that he was undoubtedly a beneficiary of affirmative action

and now seeks to deny it to others.

[JonLeibowitz]

91. Ah yes. I did miss your point.

The thing about affirmative action is that one may not be able to opt out entirely (letters of recommendation may make reference), even if one wants to. What would we have him do, not apply to Yale due to his legal misgivings about their use of affirmative action? It may be difficult to find a school which did not at that time (CalTech, one of the lone non-AA institutions has never had a law school).

[historylovr]

25. Yeah, there's only one thing to say ...

[BillZBubb]

28. Since the only black person he knows is Clarence Thomas

One can imagine how he came to that generalization.

[Downwinder]

62. Don't think he would have said that about Thurgood Marshall.

[brush]

77. Heehee! Yep. Thurgood Marshall probably would've invited him outside.

[stupidicus]

36. he should be impeached/removed from the scotus

for supreme stupidity...

[TIME TO PANIC]

37. Scalia has Trump fever.

He's had it his whole career.

[SunSeeker]

38. K & R for exposure. nt

[retrowire]

39. WHAAAAT

the FUCK.

[Hekate]

40. Imagine a SCOTUS with more justices like Scalia. But there's no diff between the parties...

...is there?

[Mustellus]

41. I was a teaching assistant at Harvard...

..back in the era when Obama and Romney were students. Never had either one, but I could tell at the first homework assignment who were the charity students and who was there 'cause daddy could pay the bills.

Charity students were world class. Some of the paying students were being baby-sat.

Obama and Romney.. guess who was which....

[annabanana]

58. great story

illuminating

[tanyev]

42. Yeah, they just wouldn't be able to keep up at a prestigious school like the University of Texas.

[linuxman]

69. Yeah, because nobody shotguns beer at every other school...

[brush]

80. Yeah, right? Respectfully, but since when did UT become top tier?

It's not like it's Harvard or Yale.

[paleotn]

44. Can we finally impeach that wanker?

I think he's done quite enough.

[L. Coyote]

46. RESIGN NOW. What an embarrassment for Americans.

Time to take the lunch pail home one last time.

[valerief]

52. Holy fuckin' shit! It's hard to believe SKKKalia is an actual Supreme Court justice.

I guess we should call his gang SKKKOTUS now.

[Duval]

56. Yeah, I can believe that jerk said that. Grrrrrrr

[randys1]

59. How exciting that a GOP White House means more Scalia's

Scalia will look like a liberal genius compared to President Cruz's appointments.

[JustAnotherGen]

65. I don't know whether to

Laugh at the insanity - or cry at the truth.

[hifiguy]

87. "We're all living in Hooverville but we've got the SCOTUS"

is not a terribly inspiring campaign slogan.

[procon]

67. Who submitted the amicus brief Scalia cited?

It would be interesting to see what bogus research group did the study, their funding, and who authored it. It sounds vaguely familiar, like something I've seen before that was quoted by various racists and white supremacist groups.

[ncdem01]

97. Link to the brief

You can read it for yourself - don't know anything about the authors, but found the brief:

http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Brief-May-Final.pdf

[procon]

99. Thanks!

I noted some of the tv talking heads were mentioning it in a negative fashion.

[lunamagica]

71. Unbelievable

[Photographer]

75. Holy fuck. SMH. Did wake up back in the 50's?

[olddots]

76. Does Scalia live in a bunker

??????????????????

[whathehell]

81. OMG..

so condescending...appalling.

[muntrv]

86. So tell me Scalia, was Clarence Thomas too slow for Holy Cross and Yale

Law School?

[Octafish]

89. And people wonder who puts E1 into the BFEE.

Stands for Evil, people, and Scalia goes right back the roots of fascism in America.

Wonder what his friend Clarence Thomas thinks about all that?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/640

[Initech]

90. Worst Supreme Court Justice ever?

[bullwinkle428]

92. He makes that fucking segregationist that preceded him on the SC

look like a paragon of racial tolerance.

(After thinking about it, I realize that could apply to LOTS of SC members - I was thinking of Rehnquist.)

[wendylaroux]

98. So,when in the gd hell,is

he getting impeached??/!!!
son of a bitch.and