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lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:32 PM Dec 2015

700 rounds/minute

That's the gun that was used.

Can someone please tell me the name of the animal that requires 700 round/minute to die?

or, does the NRA really believe that it needs to fend off 700 left-wing conspirators/minute?

WHAT.IS.IT.GOING.TO.TAKE????

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700 rounds/minute (Original Post) lindysalsagal Dec 2015 OP
A coworker complained to me about a gun he couldnt own here but randys1 Dec 2015 #1
I feel the same about medical cannibus, but that Dustlawyer Dec 2015 #86
So, are you telling him passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #91
There is simply no way that's true Krytan11c Dec 2015 #2
Just reported by Wolf in CNN. Obviously, I have no idea, myself. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #5
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to attack you Krytan11c Dec 2015 #17
50 or 200, that's still 50 or 200 too many. Hoyt Dec 2015 #55
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #89
You might want to consider where you are posting passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #92
God - get rid of this gun porn video packman Dec 2015 #116
800 rds/minute is the official rating for the AR Mnpaul Dec 2015 #133
800 would be the rate of a full-auto M-16. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #135
if its a sandy gun its a bushmaster roguevalley Dec 2015 #79
And if it were a fully-automatic Kalashnikov EL34x4 Dec 2015 #9
You Can Own Them ozone82 Dec 2015 #98
True. I've forgotten about NFA weapons EL34x4 Dec 2015 #108
The name of that "animal" is 'man' SummerSnow Dec 2015 #3
It is amazing what 36 barrels firing at the same time will do. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #101
Your still talking a 750 rounds/sec X 36 Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #117
Yes, that is the math. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #118
Could you imagine what would happen in a beachhead landing with a few of those? Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #121
Having seen the movie "Saving Private Ryan", ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #124
I saw that, and I've also seen the real footage from ww2. Horrifying enough. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #125
I don't have to imagine Mnpaul Dec 2015 #134
Unfortunately, after 21 seconds the A-10 is out of ammo. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #136
Give the gun-humpers ten minutes. hifiguy Dec 2015 #4
While I think blitzer made a mistake nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #70
Look above. Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #147
What's it going to take? 20 grade-schoolers didn't do it. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #6
For the gun-humpers to be the subjects of gun violence. That's what it would take. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #76
I made that remark after handmade34 Dec 2015 #100
But gunz gunz and moar gunz! Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #156
I was going to say inverse proportion to penis size. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #7
I was going to say, "Go for it," but I decided not to. valerief Dec 2015 #29
Link? Thank you uppityperson Dec 2015 #8
Sorry: Live TV CNN n/t. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #13
If you can find me a gun linuxman Dec 2015 #10
Here's one right here. n/fn/t MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #14
Thanks for that. world wide wally Dec 2015 #15
You should feel safe. linuxman Dec 2015 #20
I'm not the only one here that is sick of this mindless bullshit world wide wally Dec 2015 #31
Mindless BS? linuxman Dec 2015 #34
Yes mindless bullshit! world wide wally Dec 2015 #42
Hardly. linuxman Dec 2015 #49
Those people had a right to live world wide wally Dec 2015 #50
Yes, they do. linuxman Dec 2015 #54
Guns are different. If they weren't you wouldn't love them so much. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #60
Guns are for killing or maiming living things. hifiguy Dec 2015 #63
Is one who dies from scherosis or a drunk driver less dead? linuxman Dec 2015 #71
Go ahead: Aim a bottle of whiskey at me. The difference will become apparent lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #77
Oh no! linuxman Dec 2015 #82
Boy, have you lost it. Fuck you're fucking guns! Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #144
I will never own a gun either... meaculpa2011 Dec 2015 #149
Nobody said you had to, did they? Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #161
Yes. Anyone who advocates gun confiscation. n/t meaculpa2011 Dec 2015 #165
Well, I don't advocate that. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #168
Everything you named can cause death by accident world wide wally Dec 2015 #88
+ infinity n/t etherealtruth Dec 2015 #142
Yeah...that is something hard to deny. Rex Dec 2015 #148
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #57
You shouldn't have the right to own this kind of gun. It's insane. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #45
If it's a 700 rpm automatic rifle as reported, nobody does. linuxman Dec 2015 #51
Your "rights" helped kill 14 people this afternoon Nevernose Dec 2015 #48
The right to own again does not belong in a civilized society. alarimer Dec 2015 #87
The gun murder lovers will never be happy SwankyXomb Dec 2015 #105
In what way is Linuxman a "monster"? Marengo Dec 2015 #141
That's just a figure of speach - no such thing as real monsters. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #145
exactly what militia did these mikeysnot Dec 2015 #154
The 2nd amendment was a mistake. Owning a gun is not a civil right. morningfog Dec 2015 #62
Which 34 States do you think will be on board? linuxman Dec 2015 #64
It a tough row, but we'll hoe it eventually. morningfog Dec 2015 #69
Actually, if it is interpreted the way it was written Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #146
Careful...the way it is written, the people in the militias jmg257 Dec 2015 #150
I don't think it would work like that. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #162
At the time of the Constitution, it was mandatory for all males 18-45 jmg257 Dec 2015 #164
But what does that have to do with 2015? Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #167
Did you feel safe this morning? linuxman Dec 2015 #66
Apparently, I feel much safer than you do and I don't even own a gun world wide wally Dec 2015 #90
I don't have a gun to protect myself at all times. linuxman Dec 2015 #107
He's telling you that if the weapon WAS automatic, it was likely already illegal. Adrahil Dec 2015 #119
If I wanted one I could get one tomarrow with no background check, Zero fees, doc03 Dec 2015 #19
Impossible. They are illegal. Thanks for proving my point. linuxman Dec 2015 #23
Since when is the AR15 illegal? The AR 15 in semi auto can be fired in excess of 100 RPM and doc03 Dec 2015 #32
We were talking about a rifle that shoots 700 rpm. linuxman Dec 2015 #38
No you are arguing about bullshit a law enforcement officer made the statement they may have had doc03 Dec 2015 #53
You should care. linuxman Dec 2015 #56
they can be easily altered to shoot full auto. hifiguy Dec 2015 #44
They cannot be easily converted to full auto. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #68
They cannot. Don't trust everything that happens on Law & Order Recursion Dec 2015 #122
It's illegal in California if its magazine detaches Recursion Dec 2015 #126
We can't even get "them" to admit we have a problem etherealtruth Dec 2015 #11
Semi-automatic weapons don't fire that fast Matrosov Dec 2015 #12
Just quoting Wolf on CNN. I wouldn't know. n/t. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #16
Well, that's really comforting to know. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2015 #21
I understand Matrosov Dec 2015 #26
They can be easily altered to fire full auto. It wasn't Wolf it was a law enforcement officer doc03 Dec 2015 #28
Thanks. I was just getting in the house. n/t. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #30
No they are not hack89 Dec 2015 #33
No, they cannot "easy" be converted to full auto. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #35
People think they can be easily altered. EL34x4 Dec 2015 #40
This easily altered is an internet rumour. Waldorf Dec 2015 #109
No they can't be easily converted Sassysdad Dec 2015 #114
Ever heard of bump fire? Electric Monk Dec 2015 #36
Yeah, that's cool EL34x4 Dec 2015 #47
The topic was Rounds Per Minute, but thanks for playing. nt Electric Monk Dec 2015 #74
That's a slide fire stock.... Adrahil Dec 2015 #120
Fast enough to kill innocent people. Gunners tell us rifles aren't used in crimes too. Hoyt Dec 2015 #59
No, us gunners, as you call us, say no such thing. We will say rifles (which include those scary Waldorf Dec 2015 #132
I have to ask why you guys love those scary black ones. Hoyt Dec 2015 #138
I can give you several reasons why I like them. They are accurate. Lower recoil. Modular. Can change Waldorf Dec 2015 #139
The advertizers know their market. Hoyt Dec 2015 #143
Seems to be as the popularity of these assault weapons increases, jmg257 Dec 2015 #152
Oh really? Straw Man Dec 2015 #140
Has the Gungeon weighed in yet? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2015 #18
Not a peep. KamaAina Dec 2015 #22
Oops. I see one upthread. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2015 #24
They're out from under their rocks now. hifiguy Dec 2015 #46
Wow. I read that as "socks." Iggo Dec 2015 #58
. .. hifiguy Dec 2015 #61
Zombies. They never fucking die. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #84
They are too busy talking to their buddies about the types of weapons used, magazine size, how Hoyt Dec 2015 #65
Are you withholding info on us? ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #73
Get you some ATF friends, and you'll know all kinds of crud about gunners. Hoyt Dec 2015 #75
Is that a "no, you don't have any additional info about this event" to give us? ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #83
Oh yea. They claim you can't buy and AR 15 and they can't fire 700 RPM. What is the doc03 Dec 2015 #41
Ding! Ding! TheCowsCameHome Dec 2015 #94
The difference is accurate math. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #104
The point is this. beevul Dec 2015 #159
Well, the gungeon delegation has showed up. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2015 #99
A standard revolver has been shot 6 times in one second Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #25
Finally, someone who understands rates of fire vs amount of fire. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #37
Too bad our gunners can't understand needless deaths due to their sick hobby. Hoyt Dec 2015 #67
Glad you cleared THAT up. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #72
6 rounds per second = 600 rounds per minute? NoGOPZone Dec 2015 #81
It's that "new math" thing they teach these days. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #85
Well meteric is multiples of 10... so if 6 standard = 10 meteric Glassunion Dec 2015 #93
Maybe it will take some industry bigger than the gun industry. ErikJ Dec 2015 #27
Insurance industry and city governments. There will be hundreds of millions paid in workman's comp Turn CO Blue Dec 2015 #127
Gun lobbyists vs Insurance lobbyists? ErikJ Dec 2015 #129
Watch a video of revolver shooting and reloading sometime. 1939 Dec 2015 #39
But they're such fun at the shooting range BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #43
The world is their shooting range. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2015 #113
The NRA sells the idea that civilians need these weapons to protect themselves from their government Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #52
after every massacre, Congress crawls on its knees to NRAILA and begs forgiveness MisterP Dec 2015 #78
So WTF happens when some of these crazies decide to shoot up a political party headquarters? jalan48 Dec 2015 #80
Or NRA HQ. Or Congess. Or who knows what? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2015 #95
I don't think these are the kind people that would shoot up the NRA. jalan48 Dec 2015 #97
Most military assault rifles 600 to 700 rounds a minute. The Belgium FN FAL for example sarge43 Dec 2015 #96
Military assault rifles are automatic (machine guns). ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #106
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #102
These gun bastards aren't going to be satisfied with Assault Rifles after a while. I expect we will The_Casual_Observer Dec 2015 #103
And here's the disconnect Recursion Dec 2015 #128
Sounds to me like some TV newsmoran has been into the arsenic face powder again jmowreader Dec 2015 #110
Guns cause insanity, but excess !!!! do not sanatanadharma Dec 2015 #111
None but what you are saying is much different than what jwirr Dec 2015 #112
Nothing will change EdwardBernays Dec 2015 #115
It's a gun culture rockfordfile Dec 2015 #123
700 or 70, we need them all gone off the streets mwrguy Dec 2015 #130
What makes them so special that they need to go ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #137
I'd say it's the semi-auto action combined with high capacity removable mags. jmg257 Dec 2015 #153
they aren't special mwrguy Dec 2015 #155
Inside job: Health inspector gone postal. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #131
The AR-15 shoots 700 rounds per minute? B2G Dec 2015 #151
No, semi-auto AR-15 rifles cannot file anywhere close to that fast. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #157
Sorry, didn't think i needed the sarcasm thingy. nt B2G Dec 2015 #158
This is DU. You always need the sarcasm thingy. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #160
Lol. I should know that by now B2G Dec 2015 #163
I can only think of 2: bvar22 Dec 2015 #166

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. A coworker complained to me about a gun he couldnt own here but
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:36 PM
Dec 2015

could be owned in a different state, not sure which one.

He wanted to own it because it would be fun to play with , shoot, etc.

He was annoyed someone in another state could and he couldnt.

He is a great guy, and I talk to him once in a while about the idea that guns in general are just too much trouble and harm, etc.

He is listening.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
91. So, are you telling him
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:08 PM
Dec 2015

that his right to own a gun like this (just to play with it) means someone else can not only own it, but use it to kill in mass shooting events?

lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
5. Just reported by Wolf in CNN. Obviously, I have no idea, myself.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:39 PM
Dec 2015

They said it was the same as use din Sandy Hook.

Krytan11c

(271 posts)
17. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to attack you
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:46 PM
Dec 2015

I wish news agencies would fact check information before reporting. A semi automatic AR-15 platform can fire, depending on the user, around 50 rd/min. Even if an AR was fully automatic a shooter would need a drum to fire at the cyclic rate of fire.


Response to Krytan11c (Reply #17)

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
92. You might want to consider where you are posting
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:12 PM
Dec 2015

People here care about deaths, whether they are a few or a lot.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
116. God - get rid of this gun porn video
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:22 PM
Dec 2015

That song at the end where he is getting off - "Kill them all" - tasteless

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
133. 800 rds/minute is the official rating for the AR
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:28 AM
Dec 2015

so they did check. That doesn't mean a human could do that. A friend had a mini-14 that could empty a 50 rd magazine in under 15 seconds. It had a hair trigger and he got visited twice by a game warden who thought it was full auto.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
135. 800 would be the rate of a full-auto M-16.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:55 AM
Dec 2015

A semi-auto rifle is limited to the rate you can pull the trigger.
About 380 rounds per minute if you are Jerry Miculek.
Of course, your 30 round magazine is empty in 4.7 seconds.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
9. And if it were a fully-automatic Kalashnikov
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:40 PM
Dec 2015

It wasn't acquired legally.

This being said, the overwhelming vast majority of AK-47s in the world are full-auto but you're not going to find one of them for sale at your neighborhood gun store.

ozone82

(91 posts)
98. You Can Own Them
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:30 PM
Dec 2015

In most states. Gun store here (Oregon) once had 3 (Pre 1986) for sale. They were listed for around $15,000.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
3. The name of that "animal" is 'man'
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

There is even a gun that can shoot 1.5 mill rounds a minute...smh


New gun fires 1.5m rounds a minute

An Australian inventor has created the world's most devastating gun, which can fire more than 1.5 million bullets a minute - 250 times faster than the fastest conventional gun. But Mike O'Dwyer insists that his killing machine is mainly a defensive weapon and its unique design will eventually lead to greater control over the use of handguns.
Metal Storm, which has taken Mr O'Dwyer eight years to develop, has none of the mechanical parts of a conventional gun. There is no chamber, no hammer, no trigger. Just a barrel loaded with specially developed bullets which are connected to an electric contact.

The bullets are lined up one after another in the barrel, with a gunpowder charge between each round. When a bullet, which has no casing to be left behind, is fired, the pressure created causes the following round to expand and temporarily block the barrel. This prevents the gunpowder further along the gun from igniting.

If traditional ammunition was used in this manner, the gunpowder would cause the rest of the bullets in the barrel to explode in a chain reaction, but Metal Storm, using its revolutionary bullets, can spit out 4lbs of metal within a hundredth of a second. They travel at intervals of 16 inches; in a normal machine gun the interval is 100 feet.

A number of barrels can be combined, honeycomb-like, into a bundle of barrels with the ability to fire many more bullets at once, giving the weapon its incredible firing rate.

"The idea for Metal Storm was so much out of left-field," said Mr O'Dwyer, "that when we came up with the concept and looked at it with ballistic engineers 50 per cent of them told the owner of the company to tell us to go away, the idea was hopeless. The other 50 per cent said, `Look boss, if he's got the money let's try it'. When we built a prototype it worked perfectly. It staggered the engineers."

They were not alone. The Australian and US defence departments are now co-operating in the development of the gun, and Mr O'Dwyer hopes the British will get involved, although calls to the Ministry of Defence elicited a subdued response to Metal Storm.

An MoD spokesman said: "If we haven't been approached about the gun then we won't have made any moves to get involved. I must say it sounds spectacularly useless."

Retired army colonel Bob Stewart, who commanded the first British troops in Bosnia, was impressed with the gun, even though it is still in development stage. He said: "In my view this could be a very potent weapon for use over a short space of time."

A Tomorrow's World programme on Wednesday (7.30pm, BBC1) will show the full capabilities of the weapon, which can be adapted for anti-missile use, helicopter gunships, mine clearing and handguns. A 36-barrel version which can fire 1.62 million rounds per minute is shown annihilating a series of wooden targets.

The naval version could be used for shooting down missiles, such as the sea-skimming Exocets which caused problems for the British fleet in the Falklands, as well as ballistic and cruise missiles. A truck-mounted version could stop the devastating Hellfire missiles which decimated the Iraqi ground forces during the Gulf war. Another version could be used for clearing minefields.

Mr O'Dwyer said: "Because the gun is electronic it means that we can introduce security measures that will make the gun unusable unless you are authorised to use it. Development work going on in the US is looking at the use of palm and thumb print devices on gun handles, or keycode pads. If your print doesn't match, the gun won't fire.

"It could also be programmed to allow a group of people to use it which would be useful for police officers, or soldiers in a platoon. That way if a gun is stolen or lost, somebody finding it won't be able to use it."


* sick and twisted and demoralized*

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/new-gun-fires-15m-rounds-a-minute-1240372.html

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
118. Yes, that is the math.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:58 PM
Dec 2015

Uses electronically-fired, caseless ammo.
Sent back to the manufacturer or its contractors for reloading.
Military uses would be area defenses, similar uses to claymore mines.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
121. Could you imagine what would happen in a beachhead landing with a few of those?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:06 PM
Dec 2015

Nothing but blood. That is a terrifying weapon if they can feed it enough ammo.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
124. Having seen the movie "Saving Private Ryan",
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:10 PM
Dec 2015

yes, I can image it.
The part they have not yet figured out is the "feeding it enough ammo".

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
134. I don't have to imagine
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:37 AM
Dec 2015

The gun in the A-10 fires 3900 rds per minute with 7 barrels and the mini gun fires at 6000. The minigun in the Presidential motorcade fires at 3000.

And you wonder where people get these ideas.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
70. While I think blitzer made a mistake
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:37 PM
Dec 2015

The RoF is way too high for semi platforms regardless. Pretty much it is flung.

Accuracy as to these reports matters. The idiots will hand on the minutiae, in this case the RoF, instead of the big picture here

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
147. Look above.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:06 AM
Dec 2015

They're ejaculating as we speak as they get to talk about the fine points of their deadly pew-pew toys.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
6. What's it going to take? 20 grade-schoolers didn't do it.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:39 PM
Dec 2015

The gun-humpers need to be shunned and shamed by the rest of us. Family or friends, doesn't make a difference, and I don't give a shit if they agree with me on everything else, politically. Hopefully the owners of DU can start that.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
156. But gunz gunz and moar gunz!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:40 PM
Dec 2015

Really what we need is jobs jobs jobs, lots of good paying jobs. And benefits benefits benefits, single payer healthcare, secure retirements, clean healthy food air and water, a safe warm home, clean inexpensive energy.....

Then nobody would need their stupid gunz!

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
10. If you can find me a gun
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:41 PM
Dec 2015

available for legal sale in the US that doesn't require an ATF background check, $200 dollars in fees, registration, submission of fingerprints, and costs under $20,000, I'll eat my hat.

Those guns are not available for for ordinary civilian sale, and haven't been for nearly 30 years.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
20. You should feel safe.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:50 PM
Dec 2015

that 700 rpm gun we're talking about in this thread isn't legal, and hasn't been for longer than I've been alive.

It's okay. Maybe if we dance hard enough in the blood and ban every other gun, nobody will ever be able to commit a crime like they did todayohwait...

I love these threads. Imply all gun owners are cowards, while simultaneously ginning up fear to convince Americans to renounce civil rights. Good stuff.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
34. Mindless BS?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:09 PM
Dec 2015

Like piggybacking on the dead before they cool, all to try and shame Americans to surrender their rights? For the amount of times the word coward gets tossed around here, we sure seem oblivious to cowardice when it means it can be wielded for the "Right" reasons.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
42. Yes mindless bullshit!
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:12 PM
Dec 2015

It's ALL about YOUR civil rights to fondle your loving gun.
Fuck those dead people. They should have been armed.
Sound about right?

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
49. Hardly.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:17 PM
Dec 2015

If someone doesn't say what you want, do you ALWAYS just go ahead and put the preferred words in their mouth?

It's about everyone's constitutional rights. All of them.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
54. Yes, they do.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:26 PM
Dec 2015

Everyone does.

What all would you consider banning to ensure everyone has an increased chance of passing of old age? Pools? Cars? Guns? Alcohol? Drugs? Stairs? Electricity.

Please tell me, what is the acceptable survival rate we must achieve before we stop outlawing things? Will getting rid of just guns be enough? If not, why not? I mean, why fucking stop at just guns? You care about all lost lives, right?

A persons right to life, which nobody disputes, isn't carte blanche to to remove everything from the earth which could cost a life. Unless it's a gun for some reason, I suppose.

lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
60. Guns are different. If they weren't you wouldn't love them so much.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:31 PM
Dec 2015

Last I checked, you couldn't drive to work in a gun, or repair your high blood pressure with a gun, or go upstairs with a gun, or light your house with a gun.

All of those other things you mention are relatively safe and have other usefull purposes. Sorry that idea is beyond you.

Guns are deadly and nothing else. People like you are dangerous because you don't care.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
71. Is one who dies from scherosis or a drunk driver less dead?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:39 PM
Dec 2015

There is no legitimate use to alcohol except to impair people, leading to death. Kills more each year than guns, and guns are designed to kill, right? if anything, that makes booze more insidious.

lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
77. Go ahead: Aim a bottle of whiskey at me. The difference will become apparent
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:45 PM
Dec 2015

when I'm still standing.

You refuse to admit that guns are for killing. I'm putting you on ignore.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
144. Boy, have you lost it. Fuck you're fucking guns!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:47 AM
Dec 2015

And I for one would be happy to give up my right to own a gun, since I never will.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
148. Yeah...that is something hard to deny.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:04 AM
Dec 2015

Guns are made to kill people...no real way around that fact. They can be used to hunt and for targets, but their use is to kill. Kind of makes them...dangerous.

lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
45. You shouldn't have the right to own this kind of gun. It's insane.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:14 PM
Dec 2015

No one needs guns like these. Admit it.

No one is trying to take away your deer/duck rifle. GET REAL.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
51. If it's a 700 rpm automatic rifle as reported, nobody does.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:21 PM
Dec 2015

Not without $20K, $200 in fees, ATF background check and fingerprinting.

The fact is, there are dozens on this website that support just that. You don't even have to dig. Gun-prohibitionists poisoned the well long ago when they showed their endgame. Thank them for the stalemate.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
48. Your "rights" helped kill 14 people this afternoon
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:16 PM
Dec 2015

This morning there was another mass shooting in Georgia.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
87. The right to own again does not belong in a civilized society.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:56 PM
Dec 2015

Time to get right of the general right to bear arms.

HOW MANY DEAD PEOPLE IS ENOUGH FOR YOU MONSTERS? HOW MANY???

Go peddle your insanity somewhere else. We've had enough.

mikeysnot

(4,756 posts)
154. exactly what militia did these
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:41 AM
Dec 2015

fucks belong too? Were they well regulated?

Oh... and don't forget.... law abiding?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
69. It a tough row, but we'll hoe it eventually.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:37 PM
Dec 2015

It is not a civil right. It is as outdated as the horse and buggy.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
146. Actually, if it is interpreted the way it was written
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:55 AM
Dec 2015

Only states are allowed to have standing militias - well regulated too. When they say... the rights of the people.., they mean the people in the states previously mentioned - the organized and well regulated state militias.

If the SCOTUS would have interpreted it correctly, we would have 100's of thousands of people still alive and kicking in this country.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
150. Careful...the way it is written, the people in the militias
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:14 AM
Dec 2015

would be able to keep (and bear) M16s and M4s and M9s, all with hi-capacity mags. Where of course "the people" would be every able bodied male (and these days females) between 18-45ish. {see Miller decision with regards to the militia purposes of the 2nd}

Once the people said the Militias may be recreated into a new federal entity provided with federal arms (the NG), all bets should have been off as to what the 2nd has to say regarding them, including the right to arms because of them.




 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
162. I don't think it would work like that.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:52 PM
Dec 2015

Are you saying that everyone in the state would be in the militia? That's not how I read it at all.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
164. At the time of the Constitution, it was mandatory for all males 18-45
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:09 PM
Dec 2015

other then certain public posts/officals.

Militia Act 1792 - enacted because the new Congress was now responsible for organizing the State militias (for uniformity/effectiveness).

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."
...
"That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service..."


The Militias were well understood entities in those days. Under the Articles, each state had to maintain one, and this was typical of how they were organized. For what it is worth, there is no definition of "Militia/Militia of the several States" in the Constitution, because they pre-date that document.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
167. But what does that have to do with 2015?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:27 PM
Dec 2015
"That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service..."


I completely agree with that statement.
 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
66. Did you feel safe this morning?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:36 PM
Dec 2015

That type of rifle isn't even legal for purchase in California. You should feel safe. Not feeling safe? More laws will help. Honest. It's different this time.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
90. Apparently, I feel much safer than you do and I don't even own a gun
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 PM
Dec 2015

You must feel pretty insecure though. Maybe you should look inward for why you need to be so afraid and you absolutely must have a gun to protect yourself at all times.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
107. I don't have a gun to protect myself at all times.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:55 PM
Dec 2015

I own a couple, but self defense isn't anywhere near the top of the list of reasons for why I own them. I don't carry one on my person outside of work, and I have no carry permit.

If you could stop projecting your own insecurities and fears onto me, that'd be great.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
119. He's telling you that if the weapon WAS automatic, it was likely already illegal.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:58 PM
Dec 2015

In addition to Federal laws, California requires a permit issued by the state to own a machine gun (the vast majority of legal machine gun owners in California provide firearms for the entertainment industry.)

doc03

(35,332 posts)
19. If I wanted one I could get one tomarrow with no background check, Zero fees,
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:49 PM
Dec 2015

registration, fingerprints or taxes and it wouldn't cost $20000. Don't try to bullshit us. All you need to do is buy it from any of thousands of nutjobs that are willing to sell.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
23. Impossible. They are illegal. Thanks for proving my point.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:53 PM
Dec 2015

Now, on to banning all the other guns! Surely THOSE laws will work.

Again, find me a legal gun that fires 700 RPM without requiring a second mortgage and ATF approval and I'll eat my hat. Until then, you're blowing smoke.

doc03

(35,332 posts)
32. Since when is the AR15 illegal? The AR 15 in semi auto can be fired in excess of 100 RPM and
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:04 PM
Dec 2015

they can be easily altered to shoot full auto. They didn't say definitely what weapon was used they said an assault type weapon such as the AK 47 and the AR 15.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
38. We were talking about a rifle that shoots 700 rpm.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:10 PM
Dec 2015

There is no commercially available gun in the US that can come close.

Try to keep up.

doc03

(35,332 posts)
53. No you are arguing about bullshit a law enforcement officer made the statement they may have had
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:25 PM
Dec 2015

assault type weapon such as the AK47 or the AR 15. He said they are capable of firing that many rounds but you are limited to 30 rounds. What is the fucking difference 700 rounds a minute or 30 rounds in 5 seconds. Who the fuck cares about how many rounds some god damn jackass can shoot in how many seconds.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
56. You should care.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:28 PM
Dec 2015

Depending on what you propose to keep out of peoples hands, there is a big difference in a revolver and a machine gun. The latter is already essentially banned.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
44. they can be easily altered to shoot full auto.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:13 PM
Dec 2015

Somehow the gun-humpers never mention this.

I once knew a guy - years ago - who claimed to be able to make the mod in an evening. And he was not someone I would trust with a BB gun.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
68. They cannot be easily converted to full auto.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:37 PM
Dec 2015

Too much Hollywood here.

Can they be converted to full auto. Sure, if you have the right skills and the right machine shop. However, that is well beyond "easy".
Easily converted guns are not legal for sale in the USA.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
122. They cannot. Don't trust everything that happens on Law & Order
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:07 PM
Dec 2015

There were in the 1980s a few weapons that fired from an open bolt and could be fairly easily converted to something like fully automatic by filing down a sere. Those models were then declared to be "automatic" by the ATF.

"Converting" an AR-15 to full auto requires building the entire firing mechanism yourself.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
126. It's illegal in California if its magazine detaches
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:15 PM
Dec 2015

And that's pretty much the only thing that actually affects the rate of fire (props to CA for actually addressing that, unlike most of the other state AWBs).

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
26. I understand
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:57 PM
Dec 2015

At the end of the day, the rate of fire, magazine capacity, caliber, and so forth, don't matter much

As horrible as mass shootings are and as much as we like to get upset about the assault weapons and high capacity magazines used in them, it's also true that the body count is dwarfed by the thousands of firearm related homicides that involve only one or two people and are typically carried out with handguns.

doc03

(35,332 posts)
28. They can be easily altered to fire full auto. It wasn't Wolf it was a law enforcement officer
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:58 PM
Dec 2015

that said the AK47 was the favorite weapon world wide but the AR 15 is more common in the USA. He was the one said they are capable of firing 700 rounds a minute, of course that is limited to how many rounds in the magazine. I don't know for sure but I would guess a semi auto could fire in excess of 100 RPM.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
33. No they are not
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:07 PM
Dec 2015

By law any rifle thst can easily be modified to full automatic is regulated as an automatic weapon. All the gun manufacturers redesigned their guns to make them very hard to modify.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
35. No, they cannot "easy" be converted to full auto.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:09 PM
Dec 2015

That is urban legend of the uninformed.

Can they be converted to full auto? Sure if you have the right skills and the right machine shop. "Easily converted" is not possible.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
40. People think they can be easily altered.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:12 PM
Dec 2015

In fact, they can't. When you are dealing with fully-automatic weapons, the issue of headspace and timing comes into play. Have incorrect headspace and timing and a fully-automatic weapon can fire out of battery and blow up in your face.

People who say, "All you have to do is file down the sear..." don't know what they're talking about. Do this and you might have a weapon that'll fire a burst before it jams or it might explode into pieces and take your hands and face with it.

Full-auto AKs are a whole different beast than the semi-auto versions that are authorized for import, though the semi-auto versions sold here are still formidable weapons.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
47. Yeah, that's cool
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:16 PM
Dec 2015

If you want to make a lot of noise, kick up a lot of dust, burn through a lot of ammo and not hit anything you're aiming at.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
120. That's a slide fire stock....
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:00 PM
Dec 2015

difficult to use effectively in actual practice. Mainly a range toy. And oh yeah, illegal in California.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
132. No, us gunners, as you call us, say no such thing. We will say rifles (which include those scary
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:28 AM
Dec 2015

black ones) are not used often in murders.

2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Total firearms: 9,199 8,874 8,653 8,897 8,454
Handguns 6,501 6,115 6,251 6,404 5,782
Rifles 351 367 332 298 285
Shotguns 423 366 362 310 308
Other guns 96 93 97 116 123
Firearms, type not stated 1,828 1,933 1,611 1,769 1,956

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
138. I have to ask why you guys love those scary black ones.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:20 AM
Dec 2015

The fact you gunners like them, always makes me wonder why manufacturers use these kind of ads to entice you.



Truthfully, the answer is quite obvious.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
139. I can give you several reasons why I like them. They are accurate. Lower recoil. Modular. Can change
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:14 AM
Dec 2015

out upper assemblies to install a different caliber, and the most common cartridge .223/5.56x45 is one of the cheapest centerfire cartridges out there, and they are easy to build one yourself. Make good hunting rifles and are a lot of fun to shoot at the range.

Your little ad there? It does nothing for me.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
152. Seems to be as the popularity of these assault weapons increases,
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:18 AM
Dec 2015

for some reason so is the use of them in mass murders. It can't all be just higher publicity of these events?

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)
140. Oh really?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:56 AM
Dec 2015
Gunners tell us rifles aren't used in crimes too.

Could you point out where anyone told you that? A quote and a citation, please, not just "I hear it all the time," or any other such unsubstantiated nonsense.

There were 285 rifle murders in 2013. In the same year, there were 1,490 murders committed with knives, 428 with blunt objects, and 687 with hands, fists, and feet.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

700 rounds a minute is the rate of fire for a fully automatic weapon. Semi-auto? Absurd. That's more than ten rounds per second. Can you pull a trigger ten times in one second? Sixty times in a row without a pause?

Rate of fire is an abstract measurement, folks. Even if one could devise a loading system that could feed that many rounds without a reload, the rifle itself could not take the abuse. In torture tests, an M4 only made it to 430 rounds of full auto fire before its gas tube melted. And that was with 30-round mags and reloads -- not continuous fire, which would have only made the gun run hotter and fail sooner.



TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
18. Has the Gungeon weighed in yet?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:49 PM
Dec 2015

You know, the resident experts on magazine capacity, caliber, assault or non-assault weapons, etc....

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
65. They are too busy talking to their buddies about the types of weapons used, magazine size, how
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:35 PM
Dec 2015

stupid we are because we think semi-autos can fire 200+ rounds per minute, rather the the 50 or so that a semi-auto can fire. Like it makes a friggin bit of difference, 50 rounds per minute is lethal enough -- why else would so many yahoos buy those rifles? Besides most of the gun fanciers can show you how to modify semi-autos to full auto.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
73. Are you withholding info on us?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:41 PM
Dec 2015

Are you saying any info about the guns beyond "long guns" has been released?

doc03

(35,332 posts)
41. Oh yea. They claim you can't buy and AR 15 and they can't fire 700 RPM. What is the
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:12 PM
Dec 2015

fucking difference you can empty a 30 round magazine in 5 seconds but they jump on the 700 round thing and make a straw man argument about that. The law enforcement officer simply made the statement that those type weapons are capable of firing 700 RPM.
So of course thy want to argue about how many rounds a gun can shoot.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
159. The point is this.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:34 PM
Dec 2015
Oh yea. They claim you can't buy and AR 15 and they can't fire 700 RPM. What is the
fucking difference you can empty a 30 round magazine in 5 seconds but they jump on the 700 round thing and make a straw man argument about that. The law enforcement officer simply made the statement that those type weapons are capable of firing 700 RPM.


If the LEO was accurately referring to guns that fire at 700rpm, because guns that fire at 700RPM were actually used in this shooting, then he is referring to a class of firearms that are already not generally available to civilians in America.


A very valid and tangible point.


Put simply, if automatic weapons were in fact used during this shooting, than regulating/banning/waving a magic wand and making ALL CIVILIAN LEGAL WEAPONS disappear, would not have removed them from the equation.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
99. Well, the gungeon delegation has showed up.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:31 PM
Dec 2015

Somehow I knew they would, same tired old excuses and arguments.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
25. A standard revolver has been shot 6 times in one second
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:55 PM
Dec 2015

therefore a common revolver can shoot 600 rounds per minute with the right shooter.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
93. Well meteric is multiples of 10... so if 6 standard = 10 meteric
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:16 PM
Dec 2015

then you have your 600, however in standard you would have 360 rounds every yard for 300 feet multiplied by 6 still gives you 600.

so there... 600 a minute

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
27. Maybe it will take some industry bigger than the gun industry.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:58 PM
Dec 2015

Like the tourism industry (hotels, airlines, etc). Who's going to want to come to the US when its getting a reputation for daily mass shootings?

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
127. Insurance industry and city governments. There will be hundreds of millions paid in workman's comp
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:29 PM
Dec 2015

costs, since its seems the victims are city employees. All the business, liability and personal insurance rates for San Bernadino will go up for EVERYONE for years and years.

The mass shooting in Aurora CO has already cost Aurora more than $100 million.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/04/aurora-mass-shooting-cost-more-than-100-million

snip:
legal proceedings for Holmes had already topped $5.5 million back in February, including expenses related to the unusually large pool of 9,000 prospective jurors called for the case. Add to that the total costs for each of the 12 victims killed: At an average of about $6 million each, that's another $72 million. For the 58 who survived gunshots and were hospitalized, with an average total cost for each working out to about $583,000, add another $33 million. (Costs for some of the gunshot survivors may have varied widely, of course.) And these figures don't even begin to account for what the city of Aurora, the state of Colorado, and the federal government have since spent on security and prevention related to the attack.


How much money does the NRA make from gun manufacturers and how much are they contributing to congressional campaigns -- and does that amount compare to each mass shooting costing an average of $20 million to upwards of $200 million dollars???

These "gun rights" are costing everyone in this country a fortune.

1939

(1,683 posts)
39. Watch a video of revolver shooting and reloading sometime.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:10 PM
Dec 2015

No way 600 rounds/minute from a revolver.

A belt fed machinegun can have a cyclic rate as high as 1200 RPM, but most are buffered down to 700. Most fully automatic rifles and assault weapons do 700 RPM max rate, but the changing of 20 or 30 round magazines makes the effective cyclic rate much lower. I would think 150 RPM max.

Not a NRA type, just a former Ordnance Armament Repair Officer who mixed field maintenance with R&D assignments in the armament field.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
52. The NRA sells the idea that civilians need these weapons to protect themselves from their government
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:24 PM
Dec 2015

in order that people will buy weapons the don't need and provide profits for gun manufacturers.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
78. after every massacre, Congress crawls on its knees to NRAILA and begs forgiveness
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:46 PM
Dec 2015

sometimes they even mention "crisis actors"

jalan48

(13,864 posts)
80. So WTF happens when some of these crazies decide to shoot up a political party headquarters?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:49 PM
Dec 2015

To send a message you know. And if the other political party allows it to happen? What will be our options?

jalan48

(13,864 posts)
97. I don't think these are the kind people that would shoot up the NRA.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:29 PM
Dec 2015

It's terrorism, and who has been inciting them? The right wing. Their political targets will be on the left would be my guess. What group on the left has been demonizing other political groups and organizations?

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
96. Most military assault rifles 600 to 700 rounds a minute. The Belgium FN FAL for example
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:25 PM
Dec 2015

The standard clip holds o/a 30 rounds

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
106. Military assault rifles are automatic (machine guns).
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:52 PM
Dec 2015

Semi-auto rifles cannot fire that fast.

Yes, the standard MAGAZINES for both the assault rifles and their semi-auto, carbine cousins are both 20 and 30 rounds.

Response to lindysalsagal (Original post)

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
103. These gun bastards aren't going to be satisfied with Assault Rifles after a while. I expect we will
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:44 PM
Dec 2015

have to deal with RPGs and perhaps even tactical nukes eventually. This is a fucked up world.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
128. And here's the disconnect
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:29 PM
Dec 2015

This is why talking about gun regulation is so frustrating.

Assault rifles haven't been legal for 80 years. It's actually been a very effective gun control law. We should probably look more carefully at it if we want to expand gun control.

A completely unrelated class of weapons called "assault weapons" have been on-again off-again legal and illegal Federally and in different states for about 20 years. These fire the exact same speed as a handgun or hunting rifle, but "look military". (Though California is different -- alone among the states with state-level assault weapons bans, they actually banned the one thing that matters, the detachable magazine. The rest of the law is kind of pointless, but I'm for it simply because it means people are to some extent finally looking at the right issue.)

For some reason, people here get really, really angry when this gets pointed out; the assumption seems to be that actually knowing what the hell we're talking about makes someone a "gun humper" or "ammosexual" or whatever it is this week. I pretty much like CA's gun laws (stronger even than Maryland's) but I also took the time to actually learn what the hell they did before I made a judgment on them.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
110. Sounds to me like some TV newsmoran has been into the arsenic face powder again
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:59 PM
Dec 2015

The cops were calling it an AK-47 on the radio during the incident; it could also be an AR-15. Either way, someone probably looked on Wikipedia, found the rifle's cyclic rate (which doesn't apply to a semiautomatic rifle), and published that as the rate of fire of Dear's Walmart-special gun.

sanatanadharma

(3,703 posts)
111. Guns cause insanity, but excess !!!! do not
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:01 PM
Dec 2015

Guns cause insanity! Like the frequent gunners' claims that people who do not know a magazine* from a magazine* should shut up about the NRATERRORISTs in our midst.

In its simplest form, this insanity caused by the attraction to guns can be seen in those who, examining the status-quo of America's gun problem, consider this slaughter to be acceptable and preferable to their loosing their grip on their toys.

Some of these good guys with guns tell USA (USA is us), apparently in all seriousness) that they will go down, guns blazing, defending their insane armories of 2nd amendment ammunition, before they will allow a rational, civilized society to choose self defense over fetishistic disorder.

Absolutely NO solutions are offered other than more guns or obfuscations.

One and ONLY ONE causative factor is absolutely constant in all gun violence. Insane people do insane things. Guns cause insanity by giving defective human beings the power to pretend that they are in control.

The belief that conflict resolution by bullet is better than disarming this insanity IS a moral failure.
Defending guns, blaming victims, taking the gun to be the cure against the gun are examples of ethical insanity.

*A good magazine contains information and entertainment.
*A bad magazine contains bullets.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
112. None but what you are saying is much different than what
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:07 PM
Dec 2015

some DUers were demanding when they were talking about all guns.

A General not so long ago said that no American citizen should be able to own military weapons and that is my goal. That and regulating gun sales so that there are no more auctions in the back woods where no one cares who is buying the guns.

Plus I would like to see a great deal of thought put into how to keep guns out of unstable hands without putting everyone who has any type of mental illness into an institution. My family has 6 generations of mental illness -diagnosed - not any of them were more dangerous than one spanking for his child and he left his wife because he was afraid of hurting their child.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
115. Nothing will change
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:17 PM
Dec 2015

Don't worry.

Everything will stay exactly the same for a long long time.

Americans do NOT give a shit about gun violence. Except as TV entertainment, where it's very, very popular.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
153. I'd say it's the semi-auto action combined with high capacity removable mags.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:21 AM
Dec 2015

Adjust those features would be a start.

Maybe make semis limiited to fixed mags of say 5 rnds, that would keep them from being special.

lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
131. Inside job: Health inspector gone postal.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:09 AM
Dec 2015

Had all of the equipment ready to go. Legal guns and illegal bombs. Left the meeting/party and returned to kill them all.

Not only was he american, he worked for the county.

This. Is. Our. Problem.

We can't point the finger anywhere. We have to stop this ourselves.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
157. No, semi-auto AR-15 rifles cannot file anywhere close to that fast.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:20 PM
Dec 2015

You only get one shot per trigger pull.
How fast can you pull the trigger?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
166. I can only think of 2:
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:55 PM
Dec 2015

1) a Large Kraken

or

2) The Cthulhu


Some have said that it takes that much firepower to kill a Rougarou,
but I have found that to not be the case.

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