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Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:23 PM

 

Turkish President Erdogan promises to resign.

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In response to Russian President Putin's claim that he has "evidence" proving Turkey shot down a Russian plane to protect its illicit oil trade with the Islamic State, Turkish President Erdogan has promised to resign his office if the Russian President's charge can be proven.




Russian President Putin


Putin: Russia Has Evidence Su-24 Shot Down to Protect Daesh Oil Deliveries


Discussing the matter with world leaders during the Paris climate talks, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow has evidence that the Su-24 was shot down by Turkey to protect oil deliveries of the ISIL terrorist group, also known as Daesh, and that oil from IS-controlled fields is being exported to Turkey on an industrial scale.

"We have every reason to believe that the decision to shoot down our aircraft was dictated by the desire to ensure the safety of supply routes of oil to Turkey, to the ports where they are shipped in tankers," Putin said.

(snip)

In response, Erdogan denied that his country buys oil from Daesh, and called Putin's comments "slander."

"We buy from Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan, Qatar, and Nigeria. We won't accept such slanders," he told reporters in Paris. He also added that he will resign from office if the allegations can be proven. "The accusation that Turkey allegedly buys crude oil from the Islamic State is unacceptable, and to say it is amoral. You can't just say things, you need to present evidence," he said. "If documents exist — let's see them. If this fact is proven, I will not stay in my position."

(snip)



Read more at: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151130/1031011936/putin-wide-su-24-agreement.html



Update:



http://sputniknews.com/military/20151201/1031020727/turkey-intentionally-downed-su24.html



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Reply Turkish President Erdogan promises to resign. (Original post)
another_liberal Nov 2015 OP
newfie11 Nov 2015 #1
another_liberal Nov 2015 #2
temporary311 Nov 2015 #3
another_liberal Nov 2015 #4
Chan790 Nov 2015 #5
another_liberal Nov 2015 #6
Chan790 Nov 2015 #7
another_liberal Nov 2015 #8
MattSh Dec 2015 #17
Chan790 Dec 2015 #21
KamaAina Nov 2015 #9
another_liberal Nov 2015 #12
uhnope Dec 2015 #13
another_liberal Dec 2015 #19
IsItJustMe Nov 2015 #10
Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #11
GGJohn Dec 2015 #14
MattSh Dec 2015 #15
GGJohn Dec 2015 #20
MattSh Dec 2015 #22
GGJohn Dec 2015 #24
Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #16
another_liberal Dec 2015 #18
Renew Deal Dec 2015 #23
another_liberal Dec 2015 #25
J_J_ Dec 2015 #26
TubbersUK Dec 2015 #27

Response to another_liberal (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:27 PM

1. Good riddance

One weasel out hopefully.

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Response to newfie11 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:28 PM

2. The Turkish people will likely see him off soon anyway . . .

 

But the sooner the better.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:35 PM

3. Didn't they just vote his party an even bigger majority just recently?

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Response to temporary311 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:40 PM

4. That is true . . .

 

Though Erdogan's party was helped a bit by tactics like the timely arrest of prominent opposition journalists and politicians. We'll see how the next national contest turns out.

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Response to another_liberal (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:40 PM

5. I wonder if Putin will have the conviction in his assertions to put his office on the line...

 

if they can't be proven. I'm assuming "no" and that's why I believe Ergodan more than Putin. If Putin really believed in what he was claiming...he'd match that offer then lay whatever proof he has on the table. Otherwise, he's not credible here.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:47 PM

6. I wouldn't be so sure the charges can't be proven . . .

 

There are undoubtedly piles of surveillance photos showing those endless lines of I. S. tanker trucks crossing the Turkish border.

As to if President Putin will "put his job on the line": I personally doubt it. He is clearly not the kind of drama queen President Erdogan appears to be. Still, there is little doubt Putin realized the very real political risks he was taking to publicly lay those charges.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:55 PM

7. I didn't say they couldn't be proven...

 

I said I don't see Putin making the same offer or calling Ergodan on his.

I think if he has proof, he should drop it on the table like four aces and pressure Ergodan to live up to his promise to resign.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:59 PM

8. Yeah . . .

 

Maybe he will.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:08 AM

17. Why are some people so obsessed with Putin?

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Response to MattSh (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:01 AM

21. Contextually, your question is a silly one.

 

Putin is one of the two entity parties to the new story in the OP...it's hardly obsession to discuss him in a thread about what Vladimir Putin said.

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Response to another_liberal (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 08:48 PM

9. "if the Russian President's charge can be proven"

 

Therein lies the rub. I can pretty much guarantee you that it will never be proven to Erdogan's satisfaction.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:01 PM

12. "His satisfaction" might not be that important . . .

 

We'll know soon enough.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:17 AM

13. as opposed to some people who believe everything Putin/Kremlin says as gospel

 

Russia is not invading Ukraine.
There are no Russian soldiers in Crimea.
Putin had nothing to do with all the deaths of his opponents.
Pussy Riot are terrorists.
Turkey is buying ISIS oil.

It's getting Orwellian around here


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Response to uhnope (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:46 AM

19. Nothing "Orwellian" about it . . .

 

Just because you don't like the facts does not mean they are any less the facts.

BTW: There have been Russian troops in Crimea at least since the 18'th Century, and who ever said Pussy Riot were "terrorists?"

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Response to another_liberal (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 09:12 PM

10. Hard to believe anything coming from this area of the world

But from I have read, Erdogan has actively supported ISIS in the past, has and is bombing the Kurds, and his son is responsible for using European oil shipping lines to transport oil that they are receiving from ISIS.

What I can't figure out, with all this intelligence and all of this technology, is why they can't seem to come up with definitive proof on how ISIS is selling there oil and where they are getting their arms. I have a feeling that the powers of interest don't want us to find out.

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Response to IsItJustMe (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 09:36 PM

11. Well it would be messed up if it came out.

That NATO or a NATO member was supplying IS, giving them passage and refuge.

It's one thing to accidentally drop supplies on them like the US claimed when they got an air drop of small arms. That was "intended" for someone else. Another to find out they were trained by blackwater in Jordan and are in fact a tool of the pentagon or CIA.

U.S. accidentally delivered weapons to the Islamic State by airdrop, militants say

The Islamic State has released a new video in which it brags that it recovered weapons and supplies that the U.S. military intended to deliver to Kurdish fighters, who are locked in a fight with the militants over control of the Syrian border town of Kobane.

The SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks jihadist social media accounts, drew attention to the video Tuesday. At one point, it appears to show a masked militant raking his hands through a crate filled with hand grenades.

A U.S. Central Command spokesman said he was looking into the reports. In a news release Monday, U.S. military officials acknowledged launching one airstrike near Kobane that they said destroyed “a U.S. airdrop of Kurdish supplies” to prevent “these supplies from falling into enemy hands.”

“All other resupply bundles were successfully delivered,” the CENTCOM news release said, without specifying what was in the shipment.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/21/u-s-accidentally-delivered-weapons-to-the-islamic-state-by-airdrop-militants-allege/

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Response to another_liberal (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:21 AM

14. Sputnik news again?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:38 AM

15. Oh god, this shit again?

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Response to MattSh (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 09:18 AM

20. You think Sputnik news is a reliable source?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:50 AM

22. You think any of these are reliable sources?

CNN
NY Times:
Washington Post
Any TV station, newspaper, website owned by a major US corporation?

Quit it. You're killing me!

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Response to MattSh (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:53 AM

24. Answer a question with a question?

At least those sources aren't a direct mouthpiece to the govt. like Sputnik news is.
Sputnik news is to the Russian govt what Pravada was to the now defunct Soviet Union, a govt sponsored, govt owned media source.

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Response to another_liberal (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:30 AM

16. Error: title does not match contents.

"Turkish President Erdogan promises to resign"

and

"Turkish President Erdogan promises to resign if almost-certainly spurious accusation from evil, dishonest and utterly discredited Russian regime can be proven" are *not* the same thing.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:42 AM

18. Your opinion is noted . . .

 

Thanks for playing.

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Response to another_liberal (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:53 AM

23. Inside Kremlin Propaganda Machine

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:06 PM

25. The United States has a much, much bigger propaganda effort world-wide . . .

 

And the people running ours appear to be either deeply corrupted or clinically insane!

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Response to another_liberal (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:26 PM

26. Why isn't the US trying to find out who ISIS is selling oil to?

 


It seems to me Putin is the only one actually trying to solve the problem and stop them.

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Response to J_J_ (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:01 PM

27. Good question

Seems to me that the anti-ISIS coalition countries must surely have a shrewd idea where the oil is going.

Why aren't they all over the problem given the obvious benefits of cutting off revenue to ISIS ?









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