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Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:52 PM Nov 2015

A very revealing article about the libertarian take over of the Democratic

Party, called "New Democratic Party. The article is from Business Insider.

"The Republican party is not the only party experiencing a grassroots political coup. A new breed of capitalism-loving and urbanized liberals is demanding an entirely new role for the federal government.

"With heavy support from Silicon Valley, these new tech Democrats want the government to embrace economic disruption, with unlimited high-skilled immigrant visas, expansive trade deals, and performance-based funding that encourages charter schools to abandon teacher unions and adopt the management model of a modern startup.

“The replacement of working-class whites with upscale professionals has turned the Democratic coalition into an alliance with a built-in class division," wrote Columbia Journalism Professor and NYT Columnist, Thomas B. Edsall, on the migration of professionals from the Republican party to the Democrats. "While constituting a minority, the relatively upscale wing clearly dominates party policy and provides the majority of the activists who run campaigns, serve as delegates to the convention and have become the core of the party’s donor base.”

More here with charts and more details.

http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-overhauling-democratic-party-2015-11

The origins of this takeover occurred along with the introduction of that word Progressive instead of liberal for Democratic, also that awful "New Democrat, Third way and left libertarian. These people are not liberal and Hillary has embraced them, they do have all the money and power now.

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A very revealing article about the libertarian take over of the Democratic (Original Post) Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 OP
It's part of the GOP meltdown + Dem leaders chasing the money Hydra Nov 2015 #1
Let's damp down the anxiety with a quick little point. Hortensis Nov 2015 #24
Hillary has embraced them? Not nearly as much as Bernie. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #2
Do tell, pnwmom Scootaloo Nov 2015 #5
Wait, I thought he was too far left Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #10
please explain. nt Javaman Nov 2015 #16
Your belief is that Bernie is pushing for more H1B visas? n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #26
What the hell are you smoking? hifiguy Nov 2015 #40
By "revealing" I think you meant "depressing". n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author TumbleAndJumble Nov 2015 #4
It is depressing and they stayed so well hidden it took me too long to find them. I am glad they Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #18
now, it's not all seasteading freaks--but the DLC was founded to ensure that the party had a steady MisterP Nov 2015 #6
That story is part of the DLC official and authorized history...you really believe all that? HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #13
That is more deception and it is called "spin" by some and these folks are libertarian liars, none Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #20
I read the OP not as a libertarian takeover, but a tech/big city/urban professional takeover pampango Nov 2015 #7
I agree. "Libertarian" might not be exactly the right word for it. Anti-worker is better. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #27
That's not Libertarian. It is crony capitalism n2doc Nov 2015 #8
You got it. Thanks! n/t djean111 Nov 2015 #9
Perfect. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #11
...! KoKo Nov 2015 #12
Yep. A kinder, gentler & more "progressive" fascism. nt raouldukelives Nov 2015 #15
That "kindness" will only last until they gain power. Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #19
What a crock. Darb Nov 2015 #14
libertarians are only that untill they are out of work, then suddenly they are first in line for Javaman Nov 2015 #17
The Democratic Party has always had many factions, Hortensis Nov 2015 #21
False equivalency and spin. True the Democrataic once had Dixie Crats and Anti-War, pro and anti Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #22
Spin? Yes. Let's CAN that, shall we? It's not correct that Hortensis Nov 2015 #23
So according to you inflitering the Democratic party on liberal social issues and hiding their Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #30
Why did any of us choose to "infiltrate" the Democratic Party? Hortensis Nov 2015 #31
Because you are the same folks pushing "both parties are the same" because you want one party only. Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #32
"You"? You are mistaken, Illusion. I am a lifelong Hortensis Nov 2015 #36
I was responding to your comment, "why did any of us choose to inflitrate the . . . . and thought it Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #41
Brawl away, then. I think I sounded like a liberal. Hortensis Nov 2015 #44
It is only my opinion, but you sounded like what a conservative defines as a liberal. I don't know Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #45
Lots of people are abandoning the crazy train that is the republicans right now. FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #25
Affordable schools that will have no tax support. How are schools going to be affordable with no Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #33
But they love and worship hifiguy Nov 2015 #38
In a way, this doesn't surprise me. The draw bridge is down & the guards are drunk... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #28
I've been posting about democrats unwittingly espousing WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2015 #29
I agree and the few liberal Democratic still around are going to have to do a lot of shouting and Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #34
Have you read "The Internet Is Not the Answer" by Andrew Keen? FSogol Nov 2015 #39
Awesome, I'll go find it at Unabridged Bookstore in Lakeview, Chicago WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2015 #42
Thanks. You reminded men about an earlier crazy scheme, job sharing, the ninties I think. Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #43
This battle has already been joined in $iliValley KamaAina Nov 2015 #35
Repubs who can't abide the jebus-wheezers and xenophobes hifiguy Nov 2015 #37

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
1. It's part of the GOP meltdown + Dem leaders chasing the money
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:11 AM
Nov 2015

There's nowhere sane for Business to pour money in the GOP now. The problem with that is that most of us don't support Republican policies...but we're told we have to.

Our party is likely to split at some point if this takeover is not addressed.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Let's damp down the anxiety with a quick little point.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

The Democratic Party is running for president:
One moderate liberal,
One left liberal,
One strong left liberal socialist democrat.
NO libertarians, even socially liberal ones, this time around. This means they're not that powerful in our party, much less have taken it over.

Those addicted to panic attacks may want to instead spend some time with THIS reality: The GOP presidential primary is almost entirely made up of candidates vying for the backing of libertarian billionaires. And, although the candidates themselves are not admitting it, most of them are leaning toward economic conservative libertarianism themselves, if they aren't the real thing. Like that scary Kaisich.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
10. Wait, I thought he was too far left
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:25 AM
Nov 2015

and just was attractive to the young idealists that won't vote?

Now he's too far right in three party and attracting liberal republicans?

You guys gotta keep some consistency in your attacks on Sanders.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
40. What the hell are you smoking?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:28 PM
Nov 2015

I want to know so I don't accidentally take a hit by mistake.

Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
18. It is depressing and they stayed so well hidden it took me too long to find them. I am glad they
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:12 AM
Nov 2015

are finally being brought into the light.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
6. now, it's not all seasteading freaks--but the DLC was founded to ensure that the party had a steady
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:52 AM
Nov 2015

supply of money, and that meant pleasing the rich--here, it was the tech and entertainment sectors, plus Wall Street and sectors with a "hi-tech" cachet like Exelon or Monsanto: smart, expert, "pro-science," professional, not fundies saying if the Bible says 2+2=5 they'd believe it or handsy oilmen or rough-handed Hard Hats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberselfish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Californian_Ideology

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. That story is part of the DLC official and authorized history...you really believe all that?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:16 AM
Nov 2015

The DLC was created to turn southern economic gains into political gains that would mostly serve southern politicians.

That economically based political gain was rooted in policies and practices that had encouraged manufacturing to 'go south', and which by their very nature depended on politically friendliness to corporations and vice versa.

The DLC mostly took advantage of what already existed. They simply pushed the inflation of it from regional party policy to national party policy. And it didn't work so well nationally because the economics were dependent upon between-region economic and political asymmetries that weren't uniformly favorable across the nation.

The exploitation of the asymmetrical economic advantage of taking an industry south which began in the late 50's was almost over when the DLC rode into politics on the glory of the economic rise of the south.. At the time the DLC arose, American industry was already actively looking to create manufacturing colonies outside the country. The big successes of foreign auto and electronics manufacturers having opened their eyes.

Soon after the formal introduction of the DLC, it was very apparent to corporations that the greater asymmetries that would provide much greater profit opportunities were international. Jobs quit going south, they began seriously moving outside US borders. By the end of the Clinton administration, the DLC was deep into the rhetoric and policies of 'globalization'.


Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
20. That is more deception and it is called "spin" by some and these folks are libertarian liars, none
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:35 AM
Nov 2015

of them run on, let's reduce wages, instead they talk about letting markets decide. They never oppose the voter disenfranchisement laws called innocently, Voter ID laws, etc.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
7. I read the OP not as a libertarian takeover, but a tech/big city/urban professional takeover
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:44 AM
Nov 2015

of the party.

As an example of their growing power, California was once Ronald Reagan territory; but now, the Democratic leadership has taken over big cities, as their base in manufacturing union towns dwindles (think of House Leader Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco, Hillary Clinton from New York, and Barack Obama from Chicago).

On nearly every major battle within the Democratic Party (high skilled immigration, Syrian military intervention, Keystone XL pipeline, and charter schools) education is the dividing line between the capitalism-loving-global-citizen Democrats and regulation-happy-America-first Democrats.

Unlike their capitalism-loving libertarian counterparts, these tech Democrats aren't rabid individualists. They want the government to encourage everyone to maximize their contribution to society by competitively funding citizens to be as educated, entrepreneurial, healthy, and civic as possible.

Traditionally, each political party had had their fear-of-change coalition. Conservatives feared cultural disruption while liberals feared economic disruption. ... That is, psychologically, the same need for certainty that predicts anti-gay attitudes in conservatives also predicts support for wage laws and regulation in liberals

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On each of the issues in the graphic, Democrats differ but not dramatically. On 'decreasing Asian immigration' a majority opposes it. On 'free trade is good for Americans' the difference is only 6%, right around 50%). On 'public services should compete', again a majority opposes it. On the Keystone Pipeline, leaders of the party have not supported it, although some unions did.

There are certainly changes in the makeup of the party. If tech and urban professionals had migrated to the republican party, I doubt our party would be stronger today. There always have been changes in the makeup of the party and always will be.

Javaman

(62,347 posts)
17. libertarians are only that untill they are out of work, then suddenly they are first in line for
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:50 AM
Nov 2015

unemployment, food stamps and welfare.

they are the children of politics.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. The Democratic Party has always had many factions,
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:08 PM
Nov 2015

including libertarians who lean more liberal socially, rather than libertarians who lean more conservative socially.

If this faction IS gaining more power at this time it's because of the power money gives them. And what's new about business-friendly factions driving most government policy since conservative economic policy took over the nation in the 1980s?

BTW, TRUE libertarians (not those who just pick a few libertarian ideas that sound good and call themselves libertarian) are a dangerous crowd, to almost everyone individually and to a democratic republic. They range from favoring a fairly mild anarchy with some structure (including dog-eat-dog capitalism), to anarchist, to nihilist.

Since the 1970s many wealthy libertarians have been busy dismantling the national structure built over the past century and more. For that, we can blame our own ignorance. No one knew who the Kochs were, for instance, before a year or two ago, yet over those decades we voted thousands of their and their colleagues' choices into office at literally every level and branch of government throughout the nation.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
22. False equivalency and spin. True the Democrataic once had Dixie Crats and Anti-War, pro and anti
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:12 PM
Nov 2015

union groups, but they told everyone where they stood. This group has done nothing but hide behind social liberal ideas while promoting with obfuscating language pure libertarian oligarch ideas.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Spin? Yes. Let's CAN that, shall we? It's not correct that
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:28 PM
Nov 2015

people like Southern Democrats told everyone they were flaming bigots but these particular Silicone Valley-type libertarian-leaners we're talking about pretended they were not just what they were. Both groups are real and part of the party, no matter what they say or don't say.

As for libertarian Democrats, nothing new here except that some extras are coming over from a batshit-crazy GOP, which is a good thing overall. Most of the original Democratic libertarians have been socially liberal and economically libertarian (the latter works out as very conservative). Most of the GOP libertarians have been socially more liberal but economically, again, conservative libertarian.

This all means they were "hiding behind" their own ideology all the time. Which is to say, they're not some evil deceiving group pretending to be "you." They're just another faction of the Democratic Party which, like all the others, believes they have the best answers.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
30. So according to you inflitering the Democratic party on liberal social issues and hiding their
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:07 PM
Nov 2015

conservative economic and political beliefs, policies and practices and is fine. Why must they be so dishonest? Why hide who they are until after they are elected? If these are such good ideas why aren't they running for office with them?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Why did any of us choose to "infiltrate" the Democratic Party?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 03:28 PM
Nov 2015

And why do so many here "refuse" to identify themselves as liberals, anti-liberals, left-wing extremists, conservatives of various types, totalitarians of various knee-jerks, Christians, Muslims, fascists, libertarians, Hindus, various socialists, communists, a slew of other labels so academic I can never remember them?

No one owns the Democratic Party, Today's Illusion. There is no litmus test for belonging. It's an organization various peoples join to further goals better pursued in a group instead of individually. Most tend to fall left on at least either economic or social issues, but not necessarily.

Does your "hiding" of where you're truly coming from make you dishonest? Or aren't you hiding a thing? Maybe it's your own business even and you have no duty to explain your ideology any more than you have a duty to disclose your sex, skin color and age, which btw all usually affect ideology.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
32. Because you are the same folks pushing "both parties are the same" because you want one party only.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:12 PM
Nov 2015

A libertarian nation with absolutely no guaranteed or protected individual rights.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. "You"? You are mistaken, Illusion. I am a lifelong
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:22 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:11 PM - Edit history (1)

liberal, not a libertarian, and this is the first I've heard of a one-party movement. I wouldn't get all worked up about THAT possibility. Remember the thing about herding cats. We're worse.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
41. I was responding to your comment, "why did any of us choose to inflitrate the . . . . and thought it
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:06 PM
Nov 2015

it was a one liner. I have now read it and I am not a philosopher nor am I here in DU for a humanitarian experience. I am here to have a political brawl. And you have no idea how much your comment really does sound like the lefty libertarian fast talklking snake oil selling deceivers, nor how much you mirror the libertarian superiority and condescension. It is not my intention to offend you. I am telling you what I experienced when I read your entire comment. GMO corn meal mush.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Brawl away, then. I think I sounded like a liberal.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:19 AM
Nov 2015

We're known for our tolerance of different people and views. I would not grab the Democratic Party for my favorite type even if I could, and not just because it'd be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
45. It is only my opinion, but you sounded like what a conservative defines as a liberal. I don't know
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:23 AM
Nov 2015

what you believe, it isn't important for a dialog, we can only respond to what we each type.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
25. Lots of people are abandoning the crazy train that is the republicans right now.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:46 PM
Nov 2015

Many of those "New Democrats" do have liberal positions though.

They are strong on the environment, are fine with abortion, are not religious, and want decent and affordable schools.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
33. Affordable schools that will have no tax support. How are schools going to be affordable with no
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:13 PM
Nov 2015

minimum wage?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
28. In a way, this doesn't surprise me. The draw bridge is down & the guards are drunk...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:56 PM
Nov 2015

With no viable left left (except as it tries to regroup under the rubric of the Sanders'campaign), the half-abandoned old castle of the Party is ripe for any Tom, Dick, and Betty to come in, turn up the volume, crap on the carpet, and declare themselves a fate accompli.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
29. I've been posting about democrats unwittingly espousing
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:31 PM
Nov 2015

...the libertarian dream economy for weeks!!! These Democrats are too transfixed by their smartphones that they don't understand, even after you explain it too them, that the tech driven gig/sharing economy is driving wages down, replacing full-time jobs with benefits with these glamorized "be your own boss" 1099 jobs. Uber is wreaking havoc on the cab industry at the same time disgruntled Uber drivers are suing Uber nationwide over its business model. Under its current business model, Uber avoids paying into social security and has gamed the tax system by hiding their income in shell companies in the Netherlands and Bahamas.

Airbnb is impacting both housing and smaller hotel industry. In San Francisco, affordable housing is getting squeezed out because landlords can make more money on Airbnbs. While Airbnbs employ no one, they are taking business from smaller hotels that do employ full-time workers. Further, in many cases, Airbnb is another source of income for people with 2 homes. My friends post pictures of the Airbnb they stayed at and they are gorgeous. It's just another redistribution of income from the middle and lower class to the upper class.

Venture capitalists Nick Hanauer made a fortune off his investment in Amazon, but he says "We don't create jobs. Amazon didn't create jobs, it destroyed 1 million jobs."

The very power elite Libertaian Democrats Jeff Bezos, Hollywood agent mogul Ari Emanuel and his brother, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, and Microsoft fuel the gig/sharing economy and they are taking liberal democrats with them.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
34. I agree and the few liberal Democratic still around are going to have to do a lot of shouting and
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:15 PM
Nov 2015

support Bernie and look closer at the Democratic U.S. Rep and Senate candidates there are already too many of the libertarian ones in office.

FSogol

(45,267 posts)
39. Have you read "The Internet Is Not the Answer" by Andrew Keen?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:27 PM
Nov 2015

It is all about the libertarian take over of the economy by the tech firms you mention. Highly recommend.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
43. Thanks. You reminded men about an earlier crazy scheme, job sharing, the ninties I think.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:05 AM
Nov 2015

That so called environmental group that just endorsed Hillary is made up of tech libertarians and all the candidates they have supported are as well.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
35. This battle has already been joined in $iliValley
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:21 PM
Nov 2015

between long-time liberal Rep. Mike Honda (D-CA17) and tech darling Ro Khanna. Thanks to our new top-two primary system, the two of them faced off last November, with Honda winning handily, but Khanna has already made an Ahh-nuld-like "I'll be ba-ack!" statement. Unless, that is, he decides to go for the Central Coast seat that will soon be rendered vacant by Rep. Sam Farr (D-CA20)'s retirement.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. Repubs who can't abide the jebus-wheezers and xenophobes
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:25 PM
Nov 2015

now call themselves Democrats.

But they made damn sure to bring their Reagan/Thatcher/Friedman economics along with them.

Al From and the Clintons sold the institutional party to them.

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