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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri May 25, 2012, 09:59 AM May 2012

Students will be tracked via chips in IDs



Northside Independent School District plans to track students next year on two of its campuses using technology implanted in their student identification cards in a trial that could eventually include all 112 of its schools and all of its nearly 100,000 students.

District officials said the Radio Frequency Identification System (RFID) tags would improve safety by allowing them to locate students — and count them more accurately at the beginning of the school day to help offset cuts in state funding, which is partly based on attendance.

Northside, the largest school district in Bexar County, plans to modify the ID cards next year for all students attending John Jay High School, Anson Jones Middle School and all special education students who ride district buses. That will add up to about 6,290 students.

The school board unanimously approved the program late Tuesday but, in a rarity for Northside trustees, they hotly debated it first, with some questioning it on privacy grounds.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/education/article/Students-will-be-tracked-via-chips-in-IDs-3584339.php#ixzz1vtE8zMQp
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Students will be tracked via chips in IDs (Original Post) cali May 2012 OP
They should add turnstiles with automated face recognition at the entrances FarCenter May 2012 #1
Would this be viable.. ananda May 2012 #5
Visitors with a good reason for entry would be admitted by a guard at the visitor's entrance FarCenter May 2012 #10
For the low, low cost of hundreds of millions of dollars Posteritatis May 2012 #18
The schools here manage the same thing by putting the office next to the entrance LeftyMom May 2012 #26
Get 'em used to authoritarianism while they're young MadHound May 2012 #2
I hope so. this is scary to me. cali May 2012 #3
Mixed feelings here treestar May 2012 #4
Government can already track you via your cellphone MadHound May 2012 #6
Also EZ pass tolls, at least here in the Northeast treestar May 2012 #7
False security suffragette May 2012 #11
Very true treestar May 2012 #12
That they will. Suggested a different approach below in response to another poster suffragette May 2012 #16
That's why multifactor identification, like an additional face recognition system, is needed FarCenter May 2012 #14
Or maybe not ratcheting up the rush to "Minority Reports" style invasive measures suffragette May 2012 #15
What makes you think this would possibly prevent abductions? (nt) Posteritatis May 2012 #19
Extreme form of Amber Alert treestar May 2012 #20
Yeah, that wouldn't work with chipped cards. Posteritatis May 2012 #27
Big Brother must keep track of all his charges. hifiguy May 2012 #8
couldnt a couple of seconds in the microwave kill the rfid leftyohiolib May 2012 #9
Then there goes lunch. RC May 2012 #13
That is disturbing. Odin2005 May 2012 #17
OMG, teh Antichrist is cumming!!!1!!one!!1!one!!!1!! AverageJoe90 May 2012 #21
driver's licenses will be next ThomThom May 2012 #22
"where's your i.d. card?" dana_b May 2012 #23
Yeap... This is mostly a waste of money. octothorpe May 2012 #25
This is only a step beyond what I've experienced for ten years IDemo May 2012 #24
20 seconds in the microwave... SomethingFishy May 2012 #28
 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
1. They should add turnstiles with automated face recognition at the entrances
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:03 AM
May 2012

Only people who belong in a school building should be permitted entry for security purposes.

ananda

(28,860 posts)
5. Would this be viable..
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:07 AM
May 2012

.. for health and emergency reasons so many people might need access: parents, relatives, emt's, etc.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
10. Visitors with a good reason for entry would be admitted by a guard at the visitor's entrance
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:39 AM
May 2012

Commercial buildings handle this all the time.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
18. For the low, low cost of hundreds of millions of dollars
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:10 PM
May 2012

After all, some extra security theatre in institutions which are already objectively some of the safest places in the country - despite the hysteria in the media and from kids-these-days golden-agers - is more important than putting that money towards paying staff, buying supplies and making sure the buildings are structurally alright.

(And yes, it absolutely is a one-or-the-other thing in the current environment, given the disdain towards education funding lately.)

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
26. The schools here manage the same thing by putting the office next to the entrance
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:53 PM
May 2012

and installing a big window.

If somebody nobody recognizes walks in, somebody walks over and greets them.

edited for freeper spelling

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
2. Get 'em used to authoritarianism while they're young
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:05 AM
May 2012

My guess is that several of these kids will figure out a way around RFID chips. It isn't that hard to do.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
4. Mixed feelings here
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:07 AM
May 2012

Soon technology will allow the government to know where we all are. OTOH, kids may never be kidnapped or murdered again.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
6. Government can already track you via your cellphone
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:21 AM
May 2012

And just think, you bought your own shackles.

However anybody who is determined enough can beat out technology. RFID chips are actually pretty easy to beat. All this really is is an exercise in exerting authority and getting kids used to the idea of being tracked wherever they go(for their own good of course:eyes

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. Also EZ pass tolls, at least here in the Northeast
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:28 AM
May 2012

When you go through those, they know your car went through at least.

All for our "convenience." No slowing for toll booths and looking for change. Though nobody seems to ask why don't we do away with those things. The west has freeways and survives.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
11. False security
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:42 AM
May 2012

Ex:
I'm going to skip 4th period. Here, take my card and scan it for me.

If that option doesn't work, they'll find others. But it will be easier for admins to become overconfident and over-reliant on believing whatever they see on the screen as the official count.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. Very true
Fri May 25, 2012, 11:16 AM
May 2012

Students of every generation find ways to outwit the oldies, no matter what the technology.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
16. That they will. Suggested a different approach below in response to another poster
Sun May 27, 2012, 12:59 PM
May 2012

I think there are much better directions, but they need a shift to look at process through a larger priorities lens.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
14. That's why multifactor identification, like an additional face recognition system, is needed
Fri May 25, 2012, 12:30 PM
May 2012

Otherwise an attacker can simply kill a kid, take the card, and enter the school.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
15. Or maybe not ratcheting up the rush to "Minority Reports" style invasive measures
Sun May 27, 2012, 12:57 PM
May 2012

that provide false security at great economic and personal privacy cost and look instead at other methods and models such as enhancing the process of education so students look forward to being at school and employ simpler methods such as buddy/group systems for learning that have accountability and attendance built-in and that encourage community systems people can carry into their adult lives.

Finland comes to mind for this.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. Extreme form of Amber Alert
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:17 PM
May 2012

You would know where the child was.

As soon as the child was missing, they could be located. So that would have to make it a lot less possible to do.

It wouldn't stop it where no one realized the child was missing in time though. Still, some of these attacks could be thwarted because it would give people a jump on where the kidnapper took the child, information not available before.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
27. Yeah, that wouldn't work with chipped cards.
Sun May 27, 2012, 02:24 PM
May 2012

RFID readers are very short-ranged, for one; they're not sci-fi-esque transmitters that can track a person outside of specific locations within a building with a system designed to track those specific cards in the first place.

For another, you're making the tremendous assumption that the card would be on the student's person all the time anyway.

So no, as soon as the kid was off school grounds they'd be no easier to trace than I am. It's theatre - expensive theatre that'll benefit some companies marketing fear, but theatre nonetheless.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. Big Brother must keep track of all his charges.
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:28 AM
May 2012

Though why couldn't the kid just take the student ID out of his/her pocket when they get home?

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
13. Then there goes lunch.
Fri May 25, 2012, 11:20 AM
May 2012

S/he will be counted as absent. Or AWOL during some mandatory school activity.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
21. OMG, teh Antichrist is cumming!!!1!!one!!1!one!!!1!!
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:22 PM
May 2012

LOL. In all honesty, I'm not so worried, but unfortunately, we do need to be vigilant as this system DOES have the potential to be abused.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
22. driver's licenses will be next
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:29 PM
May 2012

then they can follow all of us
and then they can link it to drones to watch us

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
23. "where's your i.d. card?"
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:44 PM
May 2012

"I forgot it today." I suspect there will be a rash of "forgetfulness".

octothorpe

(962 posts)
25. Yeap... This is mostly a waste of money.
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:49 PM
May 2012

The kids who wouldn't usually try to break the system will still go to class as usual, but the ones who wanna fuck off, will find ways out of it.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
24. This is only a step beyond what I've experienced for ten years
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:49 PM
May 2012

Albeit with an ID badge with a magnetic strip, not RFID. Likely any employee of a large tech campus has the same. I (and my boss) can look at my "badge-in" and out times on the company LAN. It isn't used to track internal locations, though.

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