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(14,614 posts)We all just do whatever, based on our beliefs but NOT the law.
That's gonna work REAL WELL, eh, Mike?
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Not ours. I am sure he would be vehemently opposed to Rastafarians smoking pot without fear of arrest, for example.
erronis
(15,524 posts)But can we keep it as just a SF story, or at worst a video game?
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)(Kim Davis case) and an employee of a private company asserting their rights under the
Civil Rights Act. The following article discusses the issue further:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/04/when-does-your-religion-legally-excuse-you-from-doing-part-of-your-job/
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)duties? A waiter/ess is hired to serve cocktails with the meal. Any company should never hire anyone if they cant or won't perform their job description.
randys1
(16,286 posts)getting insulin.
Maybe that would send a fucking message
Augiedog
(2,552 posts)the answer is to have stores, government agencies and military groups defined by religious affiliation. So a catholic fire dept can respond only to catholic fires. Protestant cops can only shoot Protestant criminals. An f-16 fighter wing can only strafe those of its own religious persuasion. Everybody will, of course, have to wear badges or symbols to make sure no accidental transgressions occur thus angering the relavent god or gods. I'm not to sure where atheists, the LGBT community or Californians are going to shop but maybe the government can provide assistance with that by establishing religious free shopping zones.....oh wait, we already have, that zone is called America.
niyad
(114,178 posts)I looked at the clerk and said, "oh, thank you for providing me with that handy little list of all the shops and businesses to avoid." she smiled, until I added, "I mean, all that shops and businesses in that book. " and left.
yardwork
(61,855 posts)The reason is self-protection. If they have the fish symbol or bible verses on their website or signs, I figure that they won't want my business. Rather than risk embarrassment I usually just avoid them. I'd rather not have to do that. I respect their rights to advertise their beliefs.
niyad
(114,178 posts)erronis
(15,524 posts)And more power to those businesses that show they want Everybody's business.
Just like GMO-free labeling - we can have Bias-free - De Colores.
randys1
(16,286 posts)you do have to PHYSICALLY protect yourself from CHRISTIANS.
If you have a twitter account please tweet a short version of that and tweet it to Rachel
https://twitter.com/maddow
yardwork
(61,855 posts)by the stores in question. I just don't want to have to deal with bigotry, so I avoid them.
Many gay people are physically threatened and attacked, of course. I've never had that experience. Most people assume that I'm straight based on my appearance.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)St Vincent DePaul's Thrift Store...on West 7th Street in St Paul.
They had the BEST stuff.
(I've been told that it is a Catholic tradition to donate ALL the clothes of a family member who dies.)
I have never been asked about my Religious Preferences,
or if I was an atheist, Democrat, Republican, Muslim, or American.
No one has ever engaged me in any religious discussion while in this store,
or asked me to pray with them.
I've visited St Vincent DePaul's Thrift Store in several cities,
and they have all been staffed with the kindest people I've ever met in a business.
yardwork
(61,855 posts)I'm not talking about religious discussion (since I don't consider homophobia to be legitimate religious discussion, although the bigots have a right to believe it is their religion if they so choose). I'm not talking about being prayed with or over.
I'm talking about having somebody say to me that they don't serve gay people. I don't like taking that risk so I avoid stores that seem like they might treat me that way. The little fish symbol is often a tip-off. I've never noticed it in a Catholic charity.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the swamp was set up businessmen's associations that encouraged church members to support other like minded businesses. I haven't heard a lot about that in resent years in our area.
At first when those churches moved into our area a lot of people from the south moved up here to help them get established.
They quickly found that it was too cold up here and that we were quite satisfied with our own way of life. Most of them moved back down south. The church buildings are still here but they are not nearly as popular as the "missionaries" thought they would be.
niyad
(114,178 posts)get the local alternative paper to do an article on how much tax-exempt property these organizations occupy, and how much of our taxpayer resources they use.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)and we wonder why our local communities are failing.
I wish we could have a new reawakening and get rid of the johnny come lately rw churches.
murielm99
(30,805 posts)a group of them came in and swarmed us. They all joined the church, and tried to take over. They were going to challenge the entire structure and belief system of the church. The pastor at the time was just conservative enough to go along with it.
The people welcomed them, loved them, but stood firm for their beliefs. Eventually, the swarm went home.
We left that church. Our children were young, and we did not want harm done to them. I am not sorry we left.
My husband will not even go back to visit.
hunter
(38,362 posts)... a list of businesses to avoid.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Gothmog
(146,209 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)staggerleem
(469 posts).. and has yet to be DECIDED. If the decision favors the trucking company (which it should - if you're a trucker, you haul & deliver boxes ... what is in them is not your concern), then your point is ... pointless!
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Note that you must differentiate religious objections by employees of private companies (who are entitled by
Civil Rights law to "reasonable accommodation" from the Kim Davis case which is the case of an elected official
denying someone's civil rights.
libodem
(19,288 posts)The Offence Driven World . Sick of all trigger warnings, I'm so fragile, I'll have a post tramatic episode, if the world hasn't been sanitized down to my special needs specifications. Sick of it.
Toughen up.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)if we don't get religion under control
DebbieCDC
(2,543 posts)Sentry: Do you want the padre?
Harry Morant: No, thank you. I'm a pagan.
Sentry: And you?
Peter Handcock: What's a pagan?
Harry Morant: Well... it's somebody who doesn't believe there's a divine being dispensing justice to mankind.
Peter Handcock: I'm a pagan, too.
"Breaker Morant" (1980)
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Someone trying to, say, fill a prescription from the only pharmacy within 100 miles would not be just slightly inconvenienced.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because special important beliefs are special. And important.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)I think that the SCOTUS is responsible for this whole
dilemma. The Hobby Lobby decision was just
plain wrong.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Fucking silly season.
If your religion precludes you from performing the functions of your job- issuing marriage licenses, filling prescriptions, selling condoms, serving drinks on an airplane, driving a lesbian couple from the airport, etc.
FIND A DIFFERENT FUCKING JOB.
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