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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Fundies Have Drawn A Line. They Do Not Accept Constitution Unless The Bible Is Its Base.
The bottom line argument from the fundies is that the only Constitution they will accept is one based on the Bible. And they will go to any means to attain it. The Davis case is only a beginning minor skirmish in the over all battle in the wings. The "conscience" strategy is a back door way to inject religion into government at every level.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,470 posts)that directly affect/inconvenience them, our Christian Ayatollahs will (maybe) regret what they are doing here. Maybe
mnhtnbb
(31,450 posts)their strange view of the Bible as literal truth.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)There is a new aggressive attitude about forcing a form of Christian sharia on the nation. And the GOP essentially supports that idea for its own reasons. And it believes it can achieve complete power. The important thing to remember is that NO other religion would be allowed the "conscience" option.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,470 posts)Unlimited power!!!!" (Star Wars geek moment)
haikugal
(6,476 posts)They're building God's army.... http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/jerry-boykin-calls-upon-gods-army-rise-and-fight-evil-gay-right
These people are nuts and they're serious!
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bobby-jindals-prayer-rally-advocates-putting-christians-control-government-and-all-aspects-s
They're working to infiltrate everything through the seven mountains mandate...ie
yuiyoshida
(41,878 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)And since the Constitution and Supreme Court decisions are law, they should be jailed for breaking it.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Candidates will be queried whether or not they support "conscience" in public policy. You can count on ads against politicians who do NOT support it.
meow2u3
(24,783 posts)when they collectively don't have one? Baffles me!
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)Groups like this ARE the GOP Base, Gods, Guns, Gays; they get a pass, they always have.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I presume they'll be instituting a biblical economic system (New Testament and everything!):
Acts 4:32-35: "32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And Gods grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need."
The war on poverty would be officially over, right?
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)spanone
(136,009 posts)TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Jack-o-Lantern
(978 posts)
Umm, didnt Jesus say that to Love One Another is the greatest of all commandments??...no exceptions??
Wouldn't that include gay couples?...no exceptions? No hatred toward anyone?? What a hypocrite, what a phony, what an asshole.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It's awful. They seem to love the most violent parts of the Bible only. The rest, they refuse to acknowledge or they twist to make it seem to support their way of thinking.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I have no idea where you get this image of them as strongly committed and ready to go to the mat. That's what their press packets have said since Reconstruction. The American people do not not want religion in every level of government and that luckily for us includes many religious people and even a large number of fundamentalists who do not in fact wish to run the government. They are far from a united front.
The 'conscience' strategy is in fact a ploy rather than a strategy perhaps a tactic at best. They have used that same gambit many times in the past, mostly around abortion and contraception. It has never worked for them in the past. It sure is not some new idea for them. They have none of those.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Can you counter any point I made, any of my fully informed activist points? I do not agree with the OP who seems to be working hard to trumpet the message of the people I oppose, the religious right. This is like promotional material for the powers of Kim Davis.
I'm not going to promote them for you. Feel free, but I will again point out the inherent weakness of their political standing in the US when compared to the past.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Right, got it. We disagree.
By the way...they still have teeth.
world wide wally
(21,762 posts)Huckabee, et al
keep saying Davis was jailed for her religious beliefs and that is NOT the case at all. She was jailed for contempt of court. Once that is confused, they open a lot of doors to recruit sympathy.
Huckabee is playing Silver Tongued Devil and deceiving the public. Kind of like Satan tempting Christ in the desert that time.
Don't read too much into this. Just an observation using my Religious upbringing to draw the parallel.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)unless it contains no alcohol
hamsterjill
(15,225 posts)What they will GET if they GET what they WANT.
The Fundies all ACT like they get along and believe the same, etc., etc., but when you get right down to it, the differing factions (i.e., Baptists versus Presbyterians versus Methodists versus Church of Christ) are going to have major disagreements. Not to mention when you add in the Catholics.
PLUS, their insistence that religion be used within government is going to open the door for religions that they DON'T want (i.e., Buddhism, Wicca, Muslim, etc.) to have the same standing that the Fundies want. They've not even entertained that idea.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,470 posts)when they found out that, because they passed a law allowing government funding of religious schools, they have to fund Muslim schools as well as Christian ones.
Runningdawg
(4,533 posts)But I still know how to read a Bible, at least well enough to make an intelligent argument with the fundies:
Submission to the Authorities
Romans 13
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but only THEIR kind of theocracy
flaming assault to the constitution
the line has to be held
Initech
(100,174 posts)They can't have it both ways. And I will refuse to live in a country run by the former. I absolutely cringe when I see things like Warroom being the number one movie in America. It just gives the fundies more fuel for the fire.
atreides1
(16,133 posts)They can be crucified...just a thought...
Siwsan
(26,366 posts)Then they can set up their hair-brained theocracy, condemn the beegeezus out of each other, maybe do some inter-breeding, and develop their own little Dr. Moreau style utopia.
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)go... who cares! Another option is to march them into the sea but most folks would not abide by that so that may be a non starter. There is your island suggestion, I recommend one that will be under water in 10 years due to global warming, they deny that and besides god will save them because they are THE Faithful.
Now feeding the lions is rapidly gaining in popularity too and could be both a live and PPV event, the Gov might as well make some coin to offset the 400 years of BS they have inflicted upon America.
Just a few thoughts off the top of my head.
Siwsan
(26,366 posts)And we do NOT want to do that!
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)martyrs or not?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Skittles
(153,428 posts)if that religious nut denied them divorces or gun permits they would be singing a different tune - HYPOCRITES
n2doc
(47,953 posts)I'm sure no one is going to ban shellfish, or making fabrics with multiple types of materials. They just want their little twisted vision of what xianlity is.
They have been flinging this crap for years. And losing.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and everyone who wants to get married can do so. Not a bad outcome, all things considered.
apnu
(8,765 posts)But they've been covering it up with bullshit.
Now they're out of bullshit, and they don't give a damn about pretenses and appearances anymore. They're putting their bigotry out for all to see and think we adore them for it.
We don't.
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