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Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:49 AM

I wonder if the George Zimmerman jurors are proud of themselves this morning.

"We all know how it ended for the last moron that hit me. Give it a whirl cupcake"

https://twitter.com/TherealGeorgeZ/status/636881991166754816

Wow.
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http://www.mediaite.com/online/george-zimmerman-bashes-baboon-obama-gun-control-advocates-after-wdbj-shooting/

George Zimmerman Bashes ‘Baboon’ Obama After WDBJ Shooting
by Andrew Husband | 2:08 pm, August 27th, 2015

Not to be outdone by Dinesh D’Souza, George Zimmerman took to his confirmed Twitter account on Wednesday night to troll everyone following the news that two WDBJ employees had been killed on live television.

He initially began with a string of tweets aimed directly at President Barack Obama:

Zimmerman even dovetailed into outright racist jabs at Obama after the latter commented on the incident:

Thursday morning, he returned to take on his critics with an equally unflattering array of tweets. Highlights include abrupt reference to Trayvon Martin, the WDBJ shooting suspect, and Obama:

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Reply I wonder if the George Zimmerman jurors are proud of themselves this morning. (Original post)
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2015 OP
JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #1
ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #4
JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #5
kacekwl Aug 2015 #25
JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #75
JDPriestly Aug 2015 #56
brer cat Aug 2015 #11
JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #17
brer cat Aug 2015 #18
AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #90
JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #91
sheshe2 Aug 2015 #102
freshwest Aug 2015 #94
JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #100
yardwork Aug 2015 #121
Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #2
uponit7771 Aug 2015 #7
abelenkpe Aug 2015 #41
Oneironaut Aug 2015 #3
Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #44
DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #6
PotatoChip Aug 2015 #21
FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #8
Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #9
onecaliberal Aug 2015 #28
hfojvt Aug 2015 #47
Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #10
Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #16
Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #23
Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #24
Tipperary Aug 2015 #36
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2015 #39
Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #40
kcr Aug 2015 #133
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #42
JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #76
tosh Aug 2015 #93
sheshe2 Aug 2015 #105
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #106
sheshe2 Aug 2015 #110
kcr Aug 2015 #134
mikeysnot Aug 2015 #49
Kaleva Aug 2015 #54
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2015 #83
sheshe2 Aug 2015 #104
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #107
sheshe2 Aug 2015 #108
1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #109
sheshe2 Aug 2015 #111
NBachers Aug 2015 #127
Kaleva Aug 2015 #131
LittleBlue Aug 2015 #82
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2015 #84
LittleBlue Aug 2015 #87
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2015 #88
trumad Aug 2015 #117
cheyanne Aug 2015 #73
msanthrope Aug 2015 #120
sinkingfeeling Aug 2015 #12
Politicub Aug 2015 #13
Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #48
JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #77
Politicub Aug 2015 #85
raccoon Aug 2015 #118
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truebluegreen Aug 2015 #14
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Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2015 #138
erpowers Aug 2015 #19
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mythology Aug 2015 #22
Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #26
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2015 #29
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Hoyt Aug 2015 #43
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Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #141
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SouthernProgressive Aug 2015 #31
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Hoyt Aug 2015 #45
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jberryhill Aug 2015 #61
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JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #78
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onecaliberal Aug 2015 #126
Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #128
DrDan Aug 2015 #98
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Tipperary Aug 2015 #68
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Tipperary Aug 2015 #69
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Tipperary Aug 2015 #79
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #101
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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:56 AM

1. I wonder if EVERYONE

That carriers water for this ass wipe loser are proud of themselves this morning.

You are the company you keep - and the people you align with and support.

Just saying . . .

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:02 AM

4. Yup

He's a murderer bragging about it and a boy is still dead. A family is still in pain

As disgusting as Zimmerman is, he had plenty of support.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:05 AM

5. I'm just wondering

How he can afford a phone to text on? Like - I thought he was broke.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:28 AM

25. Got him one of those

Obama phones.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #25)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:20 AM

75. snorty laugh!



That would be rich wouldn't it?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:39 AM

56. +10000

Thank you for remembering that a family is still in pain.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:34 AM

11. +1

I found the support for him here to be very disturbing. I wonder if anyone will post a mea culpa?

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Response to brer cat (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:04 AM

17. No way brer cat

Those folks are in it for longevity and distance.

I may not respect their position - but I certainly respect stick-to-it-iveness!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:11 AM

18. lol nt

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:27 PM

90. They are and they are dying to tell you so right here at DU but the minute they

do they will be banned so they cant.

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Response to AllFieldsRequired (Reply #90)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:40 PM

91. Eh? They'll just do it passive aggressively

And who I'm REALLY wondering about is one of my husband's asshole acquaintances who just - ugh. He really thinks Zimpig is the best thing evaaaaaaaaaah!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #91)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:07 PM

102. Ouch, that has gotta hurt~

"And who I'm REALLY wondering about is one of my husband's asshole acquaintances who just - ugh. He really thinks Zimpig is the best thing evaaaaaaaaaah!"

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:52 PM

94. But he's 'not racist.' Never mind the twit's tweets. Nothin' to see here, folks, move along. n/t

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Response to freshwest (Reply #94)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:43 PM

100. Georgie? Neveeeeeer!

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Response to freshwest (Reply #94)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:36 AM

121. I was just thinking the same thing.

And when I remember the crap on the Internet - those fake pictures of Trayvon and lies about him being a gangster - I still get angry.

I feel for Trayvon's family. I'm sorry this happened in my country. It's a shame on us.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:01 AM

2. When you ask if George Zimmerman jurors are proud of themselves,

I hate to say this, but having listened to remarks made during the time of the trial, I do not think some feel much differently than Zimmerman. It is sad to say, it is a certain portion of Americans feels it is their right to be as ugly as they want against other Americans. It is ok on talk shows and private gatherings in thee RW world.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:17 AM

7. +1

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:17 AM

41. Additionally they would likely claim

You, like most liberals are intolerant of their bias and bigotry.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:01 AM

3. He's a right wing hero.

In right wing circles, this is making them like him even more.

You can see that this man is lacking a conscience in his tweets, but many far-right loons have the same affliction.

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Response to Oneironaut (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:19 AM

44. Indeed. Hence Trump's popularity!

 

Huffing and Puffing Bullies who brag about getting away with it: "Look what I managed to do with impunity!"

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:10 AM

6. sadly, so many fo said water carriers

were RIGHT HERE ON DU! Don't think we forgot.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:19 AM

21. Yup. I haven't forgotten the "wait for all the facts crowd" or the

"just defending himself" bunch.

Some are indeed still here.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:19 AM

8. This guy is destined for a jail or a morgue.

Sooner or later....

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Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:24 AM

9. Agreed, just how many more has to die before this killer is put in prison.

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Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:31 AM

28. The sooner, the better. Most vile creature, it is.

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Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:26 AM

47. we are all

destined for a morgue - sooner or later.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:26 AM

10. His defenders on here are pretty quiet.

And I know there are some still around.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:02 AM

16. Back in January there was a 200+ post thread about supposed DU "Zimmerman defenders".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026071027

But when people like me asked for examples of such "Zimmerman defending" posts, the best they could do was to provide links to posts like this one (a low post-count troll who was quickly banned by MIRT):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023645749#post249

The reason the "Zimmerman defenders" are "quiet" is that they have been kicked out.


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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:22 AM

23. Nope. Not taking *your* bait.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:25 AM

24. Just pointing out that MIRT does a great job.

Not sure where you get "baiting" from.

But thanks MIRT!

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:46 AM

36. Thank you for posting this. I was unaware of any DU posters who supported Zimmerman and was going

to ask for links. You saved me the trouble.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:01 AM

39. It's against DU TOS to call-out posters.

So I won't name names.

But a simple Google search from the height of the case reveals that there were in fact numerous people who did support Zimmerman's positions. And not all were MIRT'ed.

One has 2,811 posts to date. Another has 6,565. A third has 8,543. All three of those I mention are currently active DU posters.

So it wasn't just low post count trolls coming to his defense.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #39)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:06 AM

40. Actually it's not. Here's a link to the TOS:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

If a post really does support Zimmerman, and you post a link to it as an example of such support, your post will probably not even be alerted on, and if it was, no jury would hide it.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 06:03 PM

133. Or you can just get enough posts hidden by jury to get a time out

Gee. Why doesn't anyone want to point these posters out to you? It's a mystery.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #39)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:17 AM

42. +1 ...

 

One has 2,811 posts to date. Another has 6,565. A third has 8,543. All three of those I mention are currently active DU posters.


Here ... I'll make the search easier for folks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #42)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:21 AM

76. You and Tommy are awesome!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #76)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:34 PM

93. Yup!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #42)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:13 PM

105. Did someone post the jury resuts?

I have them if you want to see them, 1SBM. Yes, you survived.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #105)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:21 PM

106. LOL ...

 

Really? ... Someone alerted on my post? ... After all the "BOGer" references?

This place is TOO funny.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #106)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:41 PM

110. Tee Hee~

Results of your Jury Service

On Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

+1 ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7118881

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Post makes a clear allegation that the RKBA group supported or defended Zimmerman, which is not true.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:41 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is nothing about this post that deserves to be hidden. I just don't see it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: linking to actual posts would be appropriate, but not a general link to RKBA .....too broad brush.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: RKBA group were complicit in the defense of Zimmerman.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see the allegation in the post. This is a frivolous, silly alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nope, won't hide. RKBA, especially handguns, is idiotic in this modern age.

I wasn't on jury, however I saw the results.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #110)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 06:04 PM

134. Alert stalking? What alert stalking?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #39)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:28 AM

49. there were a handful of the usual suspects

and they still do defend him. I mean "attempt" to defend him and the outcome of the trial.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #39)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:38 AM

54. It's not a TOS violation to call out other members.

It may be considered a violation of community standards and it'd probably be alerted on where a jury MIGHT then vote to hide but that's the worst that'd happen.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #54)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:52 AM

83. I'm still not going to name names, but here are some links in which I saw. You can do the leg work.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3201754
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024057607


Mind you, this is just a sample and not an inclusive list of all the times someone on DU argued Zimmerman's case. But if you bother too look, there are some long time, actively post DUers in that list.

Which is fine. Whatever. People can change their opinion on something, and maybe someone who thought Zimmerman should have been acquitted back then could have changed their mind since then.

But let's not be dishonest and claim that no one other than a few low post trolls came to Zimmerman's behalf.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #54)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:11 PM

104. So why was 1StrongBlackMan alerted on?

It was a 5-2 leave.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #104)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:25 PM

107. Because someone didn't have their gun? Or, perhaps, because ...

 

Guns don't work over the internet?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #107)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:31 PM

108. Lol~



You are 1StrongBlackMan!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #108)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:39 PM

109. I thought of a few more; but, they certainly would have EARNED ...

 

me a hide ... and I still have to behave for another 31 days!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #109)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:46 PM

111. I am in a safer zone now, I shed 2.

Two will be gone in about 30 days.

Be careful out there man~

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #109)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:54 AM

127. DU's Most Alerted On!

"Join the ranks of the DU alerting trolls. Use that 'alert' button. Let's get rid of these targeted DU members now!"

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #104)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:54 PM

131. Nobody but the alerter knows the answer to that.

Anyways, what was posted, alerted on and a jury voted to leave was not a violation of TOS.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #39)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:49 AM

82. I recall that trial. You were rude and illogical during the whole thing

 

One has 2,811 posts to date. Another has 6,565. A third has 8,543. All three of those I mention are currently active DU posters.



That is me, if anyone is wondering. Since you've publicly called me out using my post count, I must defend myself against your lies.


You labelled me a Zimmerman defender for pointing out that the case was flawed.

I'd log on and give my reasons for why I thought the prosecution was poor. You'd proceed to verbally abuse me for not believing Zimmerman would be found guilty. You branded everyone who thought the case had trouble as "Zimmy defenders".

In the end I was right, and you were wrong. All because you could not separate logic from emotion. You still can't. I told you at the time that the law, not your emotions and not your abusive witch hunts, would prevail in that trial. I told you specifically which piece of evidence would probably get him off. And it did. Yet you bashed me for a correct analysis.

The fact that you're still obsessing over grievances brought about by debates during that trial is unhealthy. Be an adult and get over it.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #82)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:54 AM

84. Wow.

I'd like you to find one instance where I called you a "Zimmy Defender."

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #84)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:23 PM

87. Hold the fuck on. You've accused me of being a Zimmerman defender without any evidence

 

Now I have to provide evidence for my own defense? What do you think this is? Especially after you just called me out as a Zimmerman defender using my post count to avoid saying my name. That is deceptive.

You didn't care about the law during the trial any more than you care about the rules around here. You don't care about rules or law, you just want the emotional satisfaction of an outcome you desire. Any semblance of logic you tossed out the window. I'd point out "X witness had a problem in her testimony and here is why..." And exhibiting true intellectual cowardice, you attacked me rather than my reasoning. You're running another witch hunt in this thread. You can only carry on discussions with a mob at your back because your reasoning is piss poor. You need a mob because you're always wrong.

I do not have to defend myself against your bullshit accusations. Just here to make the point that you're full of it and you broke the rules by calling out other members.


Goodbye.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #87)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:29 PM

88. You made an accusation against me, and I simply ask you to back it up.

You said,

I'd log on and give my reasons for why I thought the prosecution was poor. You'd proceed to verbally abuse me for not believing Zimmerman would be found guilty. You branded everyone who thought the case had trouble as "Zimmy defenders".



My BS meter immediately popped up because the phrase "Zimmy defender" is one that I know I would never use.

I know we did debate over the facts of the case and that I did maintain then, as I do know, that I believed Zimmerman to be guilty of illegally killing Trayvon Martin. I laid out various facts, timelines, diagrams, etc., to support my position.

However, you seem to have painted me as someone who was hyperbolic and hysterical and blind to all logic and completely ruled by emotion and anger. That's not really what the record shows.

Now tell me where I have called you, or anyone else for that matter, a "Zimmy defender." You have a search function. By all means, go use it.

Perhaps you have me confused for someone else.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #39)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 05:35 AM

117. Thanks Tommy

 

Seems NB is living in denial land.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:16 AM

73. I'm not a defender of Zimmerman BUT

I am a defender of our legal system. No one should fault the jurors in this instance: they followed the law.

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Response to cheyanne (Reply #73)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 06:42 AM

120. No....they did not. nt

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:36 AM

12. Yep, Zimmerman wasn't out hunting blacks nor is he a racist POS.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:39 AM

13. The mind of a sociopath

On full display in the form of George Zimmerman.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

But I find that many of the right wing heroes are in the same vein.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:28 AM

48. A full 1/6 of all people have a degree of sociopathy.

 

Your colleagues who do as little as possible while always shifting work to the colleagues they later blame for the mishaps: a small degree of sociopathy.

But what worries me is that there are systemic shortcomings in the structure USA society that seem to encourage that behaviour rather than discourage it:

Scaremongering against fellow Americans (PoC, Latinos, gays)
An educational system that allows such scaremongering to be embedded into the lessons
Ready availability of weapons
Worshipping of vigilantism (Batman, Iron Man)
High degree of heteronormativity in conjunction with 'masculinity' expressed through one's ability to overpower someone else
An economic sstem so rich in volatility and income disparity that it breeds violent discontent
And the list goes on and on.

We need systemic changes. Lots of them.

Zimmerman is not an outlyer - he is indicative of systemic failure.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #48)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:26 AM

77. This was well said and . . .

Should be an original op.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #48)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:02 PM

85. Agree

And the U.S. labor market - with the increase in temp and contractor jobs - tips the scales in favor of those who treat people like playthings to be thrown away at will.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #48)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 05:44 AM

118. Great post. Please consider starting a thread with this. nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #118)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:20 AM

122. Even before you spoke your prayers had been answered:

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:44 AM

14. I'm sure at least some of them ARE proud

 

of doin' what they could to take 'Murica back.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:50 AM

15. And of course the M$M gives this murdering asshole more air time.



for Trayvon Martin.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:35 AM

51. The media giving him air time equals tacit support.

 

Same goes for Koch Bros. and other fascists. The media used to marginalize the crazy extremists, now they egg them on. Good for ratings and their revenue stream.

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Response to JEB (Reply #51)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:46 AM

60. Exactly right.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 08:54 AM

138. This one particular quote deserves attention for the sole reason....

...that it shatters Zimmerman's whole "I had no choice but to act in self-defense, but I'm sorry Trayvon had to die" claim.

This is his life's legacy, and apparently he's embraced it.

This was his Colonel Jessup moment.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:13 AM

19. Tell Me Again This Guy Is Not a Racist

I do believe it is getting harder and harder for anyone who supports George Zimmerman to claim he is not a racist and he is just a guy who ended up in a bad situation and had to defend himself. You can claim you are not a racist if you make one racist, prejudiced, or racially insensitive statement, but when you keep make racist comments at some point you and your supporters can no longer say you are not a racist.

More and more people are beginning to see that George Zimmerman is not the nice, sweet, and loving guy he claimed to be after he shot Travyon Martin. Zimmerman is a mean angry bully who is constantly attacking and threatening people. Since the verdict in his case Zimmerman has been involved in at least three, or four incidents in which he is said to have threatened someone.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:15 AM

20. What a fuckin' waste of oxygen that clown is. nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:22 AM

22. Zimmerman is a piece of crap

 

But with the law written the way it was, and no other living witnesses, I don't know that the jury could have ruled differently. The law is poorly written and designed to give far too much discretion to the person "standing his/her ground".

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Response to mythology (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:28 AM

26. Yep. Just like while I believe OJ Simpson was guilty of murder,

I understand that the presence of the self-admitted racist Mark Furhman on the investigation team could have introduced reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury. Believing that someone is a disgusting person and a murderer does not necessarily mean that the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt has been met.

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Response to mythology (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:33 AM

29. There was an ear-witness.

She was mocked and dismissed because apparently she talked funny, but her testimony was pretty much consistent with the facts. But, you know, she talked funny, so her testimony wasn't worth anything.

Zimmerman's story never made any sense from the get-go. He claims he was "ambushed" by Trayvon, and yet we're talking about a kid being followed and then chased by a strange man for no reason that's apparent to him (remember, he wasn't doing anything other than walking home from the store that night), gets away from the strange man chasing him for no apparent reason......and yet we're supposed to believe he "doubled back" to attack the man he just managed to escape. Runs contrary to human nature.

I watched that trial from gavel to gavel and saw right through the BS. Too bad the jury and so many others didn't.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:41 AM

33. Except that she admitted to lying under oath.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #33)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:44 AM

34. Not on anything really material to the facts of that evening.

I agree it didn't help her overall, but her testimony about what happened that evening was pretty spot on regardless.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:18 AM

43. Exactly, one of the things that made me angriest is how people treated Rachel Jeantel.

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Response to mythology (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:38 AM

32. I seem to remember that one of the jurors said after the trial that IF they

had been given the evidence that was withheld by the judge that the verdict would have been different.

Not only was the law to blame for this murderer getting free but so was the system.

But I doubt anything has changed. Same law, same system.

I look forward to the day that Zimmerman finally receives what he is due. Justice for Trayvon.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #32)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:39 AM

55. It is almost like Zimmerman is asking for it himself. nt

 

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Response to JEB (Reply #55)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:53 AM

66. By being let off for Trayvon's death I think he has developed a invincibility

personality. And this last issue between him and the man following him in a car probably only makes it worse.

The "I can do not wrong" attitude is going to get him killed on of these days.

He is not the least bit afraid of the police and continues to bully anyone he wants.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #66)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 06:35 PM

135. Excellent post, I agree completely. n/t

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:31 AM

27. It isn't the juror's fault

the blame lies with the law and the judge. Given the law as written and the judicial instructions as given, there is no way the jury could have voted to convict. It didn't matter if the fight was started by Zimmerman, it didn't matter that Zimmerman was armed while Martin wasn't. the only issue the jury was asked to decide was if, there was reasonable doubt that at sometime during the fight Zimmerman feared for his life. I can't see how, with the evidence that jury had, they could have not had a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman never feared for his life.

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Response to dsc (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:36 AM

30. Zimmerman claimed his head was bashed into concrete up to 30 times.

And yet the testimony and evidence revealed injuries that were essentially superficial and not consistent with such a claim.

He may have had a fear he was losing a fist fight, but I don't think there was anything to objectively suggest he feared for his life.

Sorry, I'm not letting the jury off the hook here.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:52 AM

65. I didn't follow the trial all that closely. Did Zimmerman take the stand?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #65)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:07 AM

71. There was no reason for him to.

The jury had already been allowed to view a video taken of him on site (at least a day or two after the murder), where he was able to detail his side of the story without any cross-examination.

Now, you might ask "How on earth was the defense able to play this video?". The crazy answer is "They weren't". The video was presented by.....the Prosecution. The prosecutors basically played a video where Zimmerman was allowed to give his side of the story, without being questioned about it.

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:33 AM

141. Yup- the sloppy prosecution lost the case, not the jurors nt

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #65)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:17 AM

123. Zimmerman wanted to take the stand but his defense attorney pressured him not to. n/t

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #65)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:03 AM

139. The prosecution made his case for him. He didn't need to testify. Nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:45 PM

115. there was a gun

which he did bring to the fight but once he lost control of the gun he would have been in deep crap. Again, I think the law is awful but the jurors applied the law as it was written not as they or you might have wished it had been written.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:38 AM

31. I don't even fault him for his stupididty, racicm, and arrogance anymore. Just see it for what it is

 

We need no more proof that society has given him exactly what he already knew he had. A license to kill POC without penalty from the state.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:46 AM

35. We all know how this is going to end.

 

The only question is will it be sooner rather than later? I for one, will drink up that day.

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Response to lobodons (Reply #35)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:37 AM

52. Yep. I just hope he doesn't take anyone else with him. nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:49 AM

37. or any of the morons that defended the murder of Trayon by this effing monster.

Zimmerman is still getting away with murder.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:57 AM

38. Trump / Zimmerman. ?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:19 AM

45. Most gun fanciers were worried they might pull a Zimmerman some day, hence they wanted him acquitted

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #45)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:54 AM

116. +1

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:21 AM

46. I want to know if some certain DUers are proud of themselves

(no, I'm not naming names...)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027114648

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #46)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:32 AM

50. I keep seeing posts like this. But I have not ever seen any posts supporting Zimmerman here.

Obviously there are occasional trolls but I do not consider them to be DUers. I am not a star member and have not been able to search, but I intend to remedy that soon. I will then research this and see if your post and others are true and I just missed the Zimmerman supporters who are DU posters.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #50)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:47 AM

61. Because "Zimmerman supporter"

...is probably defined as anyone who did not believe there was enough evidence presented at trial to convict in accordance with the threshold required for a criminal conviction.

That Zimmerman is a scumbag is a proposition that was not in serious dispute.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #61)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:17 AM

74. Bull fuckin' shit

I heard all the talking points "he isn't racist; he's remorseful; Trayvon was a criminal/caused his own death/wasn't racially profiled; I was just part of a lynch mob (which was easily the most offensive meme directed at me personally), and so on -- Because I spent thousands of posts arguing back and forth with them while they drove off half of DU's already minuscule number of black posters... Don't try to go all revisionist on me -- I participated in more discussions than anybody (aside from that fuckwit with the 50 sockpuppet accounts)

Had the cops and prosecutors taken the case seriously from the start and done due diligence a conviction would have been assured... But even then, there was enough evidence for a conviction, especially since I see black folks in VA get the electric chair for much flimsier cases...

How many more unarmed black folks have to be gunned down under 'disputed' circumstances before DUers open their fuckin' eyes?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #74)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:31 AM

78. Some won't

Maybe in 20 years - when the laws are still on the books as they are . . . and the racial demographic in this country has changed.


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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #74)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:34 AM

80. This is how I recall the period too

A lot of pro-gun voices defending Zimmerman's right to shoot an unarmed teen and lecturing the rest of us about how there wasn't enough evidence of a crime to convict the racist thug.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #74)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:12 AM

126. There was ample evidence to convict.

To suggest otherwise is just the height of absurdity. A child is gone and a murderous pos walks free because USA USA USA.... No wonder the world laughs at the utter stupidity in this country. It's beyond sickening.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #74)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:06 PM

128. I won't forget either BT.

The minimization, deflection and then the demonization of Trayvon were material support to Zimmerman. Sick-hearted fools.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #61)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:28 PM

98. bingo - you hit it square on the head

I did follow the case - living 30 or so miles away

and following the rants and raves of some here

post a criticism of the prosecution, or a prosecution witness, and risk being labeled a Zimmerman-supporter

happened over . . and over . . . and over . . . by the obvious and outspoken

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #50)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:48 AM

63. You need to search the archives

because you wouldn't have seen anything since you just joined in May...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #63)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:01 AM

68. No, that is not true about not seeing anything. I have lurked here for a long time. I am a relative

rookie at message boards as far as the posting part goes, but I lurk on several because I like to read others' opinions. I do not believe I can search without being a star member, and I intend to do that soonest. Can you direct me to any particular threads?

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #68)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:28 PM

92. You might try just doing a web search direct from google

I can't put into words how much I had personally invested in this case, and part of me died with Zimmerman's acquittal -- I haven't been quite the same since...

If I keep picking at this scab, it's going to be unpleasant for many around here... So it will be best for DU in general if I just quietly backed out of this discussion.

Hope you find what you're looking for...

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #50)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:01 AM

67. There actually was a Zimmerman-supporting post. Here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023645749#post249

It was a post by a low-post count troll who was quickly banned by MIRT for being a racist. It is, however, the only link that those who claim that there are "Zimmerman-defenders" on DU have been able to provide.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #67)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:04 AM

69. Well it seems to me that pretty much any controversial topic (especially racial or gender) seems to

attract a number of trolls. I would not think that was in any way representative of the DU in general, so that is why I wondered so many were commenting about his supporters here.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #69)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:05 AM

70. True, and the great thing about DU is that MIRT does such a good job dispatching these trolls (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #70)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:33 AM

79. I have seen that and I have been very impressed at the speed at which they do it. One day I would

love to see how the whole thing works. Whatever way it works, they have my kudos.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #50)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:49 PM

101. Just look downthread. Post 95 is a 'defend Zimmerman' post. nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:37 AM

53. Memo to George: You're not exactly qualified to join the ku klux klan.

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Response to muntrv (Reply #53)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:44 AM

59. Reminds me of Dave Chapelle's run on the KKK.

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:41 AM

57. When will someone stand their ground against George Zimmerman?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:42 AM

58. Coward of travesty of justice asshat.

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:47 AM

62. He will live with the mark of Cain until someone ends his sorry life

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #62)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 05:49 AM

119. That picture is an insult to pigs. nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #119)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:05 AM

125. I agree



One evening in October
When I was about one-third sober
And was taking home a load with manly pride
My poor feet began to stutter
So I lay down in the gutter
And a pig came up and lay down by my side

Then we sang "It's All Fair Weather"
And "Good Fellows Get Together"
Till a lady passing by was heard to say
She says, "You can tell a man who boozes
By the company he chooses"
And the pig got up and slowly walked away

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:50 AM

64. We're sure giving that murderer a bunch of unnecessary attention today.

Maybe we should remember Trayvon's family instead.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:44 AM

81. I'll ask this again: Is there anything at all legitimate about this guy?

Zimmerman is about as much of a fake, phony right wing douchebag as they come. He spouts all this inane right wing symbolism as if it's supposed to be some sort of sick justification for him getting away with murder. I'm surprised that Fox News hasn't given him a job as a regular contributor.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:04 PM

86. The only way I can deal with this is knowing, deep down, somewhere - sometime - somehow -

George is going to meet his match. He'll end up either dead or in jail for life. It's just a matter of when.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:51 PM

89. Just imagine if O.J. made a statement like the one

Triggerman did. Imagine the outrage that would have followed. But since minorities are still treated like garbage its acceptable for him to threaten people online and make jokes about it.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:55 PM

95. So this means Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon and attacked Trayvon first?

 

Please expand. And was the witness who saw Trayvon on top also supposed to have taken into account Zimmerman's future use of the word Baboon?

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Response to Doingto (Reply #95)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:09 PM

103. For starters, it means the whole "I had no choice but to act in self-defense" thing was BS

The whole "I'm sorry I had to do it but I had to do it" line from Zimmerman's a sham. He's clearly proud of what he did.

Regarding attacking first, you tell me. Does it make any sort of logical sense that someone who's being chased by a stranger for reasons unknown to him, who manages to lose that person, then decides to voluntarily "double back" and attack the man he so desperately attempted to escape? No one's ever provided a logical explanation for that.

But this statement from Zimmerman, coupled with the "Baboon" comment, coupled with the incidents with his ex-wife and ex-girlfriends, coupled with the revelation that Zimmerman had a major argument with his then-wife the night of the shooting, serves to paint a picture of a very volatile personality who's more likely to be set off at the drop of a hat. Thus further supporting the notion that he, and not Trayvon Martin, was the aggressor that night.

Understand now?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #103)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:36 AM

124. The would in the back of Zimmerman's head

 

Please explain how someone attacks another person but ends up injured and the other guy untouched.

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Response to Doingto (Reply #124)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:37 PM

130. That there was a physical altercation between the two is not in dispute.

It should be noted, however, that Zimmerman's injuries were fairly mild and the evidence did not support his claim that his head had been smashed into concrete up to 30 times.

What you are not considering is that it was not Zimmerman's intention to kick Trayvon's ass in a fist fight. It was his apparent original intention to detain him until the police (who he had already called) arrived. Now, why did he call the police? Well, apparently it was because Trayvon "looked like he was up to no good", that he was a "fucking punk" and an "asshole who always gets away." It's not as if Zimmerman had actually witnessed him commit an actual crime.

Here's the problem for Zimmerman, though. He never actually identified himself to Trayvon, not as a neighborhood watchman or any other capacity. So you have to think about it for a second: If you're Trayvon, and you haven't actually done anything wrong, but you have this strange man follow you in his car, then he gets out of his car and you run from him and he chases you, and you think you've lost him but then you still manage to come upon him, and he reaches out to grab you, what are you going to do? Well, perhaps you'll punch him in the nose. And perhaps he'll fall to the ground and hit his head. And perhaps if he still tries to grab you you'll tussle some more.

And then you'll have to consider that it's dark. It's wet. It's rainy. And Zimmerman's been in an argument with his wife that day, a major one. And now he's ranting about "fucking punks" and "assholes who always get away". And now he's been punched in the nose. And we know that Zimmerman has a short fuse. If you don't believe me, check his Twitter.

So perhaps he pulls his gun, hoping it will scare Trayvon into submission until police arrive. But let's say that causes Trayvon to scream for help, because this strange man who he doesn't know and has no idea why he's chasing him who attempted to grab him now has pulled a gun on him.

And the screaming irritates and angers Zimmerman even more and more and more until he snaps and shoots Trayvon. Because this was nothing but a "fucking punk" who refused to kneel before his authority.

Yes, this is just a hypothesis. But one that I believe meshes much better with what we do know and all the evidence and what we know about George Zimmerman. And it makes a lot more sense than what Zimmerman claims, which was that Trayvon, after running to escape George Zimmerman (a man he didn't know and did not know why he was being chased), suddenly decides to "double back" and "ambush" this man he had tried so hard to escape.

Think about it.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #130)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:44 PM

132. Best. Post. Ever.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #132)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 08:00 AM

136. Like I said, just a hypothesis based on my understanding of everything in the case.

Including both things that came out during trial and those that came out afterwards.

There's no one that can say with a straight face that George Zimmerman isn't a highly volatile personality. You have to remember that when he shot Trayvon, at that moment he still thought he was a "fucking punk" who was engaged in some unknown criminal activity that evening. And that Trayvon's attempt to evade and resist him were a result of a guilty mind and not the fact that he was probably terrified of this strange man chasing him for no apparent reason. I don't think the gravity of what he did ever came into his mind.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:55 PM

96. did he hire a KKK publicist to post on his feed?

It's hard to believe he's sitting there writing this crap, and even spelling most of the words correctly, maybe he hired a troll to assist with Trump-style fundraising.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:04 PM

97. George Zimmerman Implies Someone is Wimpy

Maybe he was lying, but George Zimmerman claimed he did not tell Travyon Martin who he was because he was scared of Travyon Martin. A guy who supposedly could not speak to a teenager should not call someone a pansy.


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Response to erpowers (Reply #97)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:48 PM

99. Everybody is invincible when armed with a keyboard or a keypad NT

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:48 PM

112. I'm sure the one juror lady, who affectionately called him "Georgie," is still pleased at herself

 

Seeing as how it later came out her husband had business ties to Zimmerman's attorney

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #112)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:57 PM

113. I honestly think if B37 weren't on the panel, there's a strong chance.....

....Zimmerman would be currently sitting in a cell in Raiford right now instead of tweeting swimming pool selfies of himself and bragging about shooting people.

She seemed very aggressive in her advocacy. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't dominate the deliberations.

If you remember, the day after the verdict she announced she was writing a book about her experiences on the jury. That's just bizarre IMHO.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #112)

Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:15 PM

129. That is the infectious risk we have in Seminole County.

Social networks move in to try to spin the message in order to control the decision. And if there is any damage control necessary, someone else will step in to fix that too.

I don't think it was an accident, for example, that when the black juror complained that she couldn't get a job, who steps in to give her one, but Gravis Marketing?

That follows the pattern. If they can tamp down on those who will tip people off that something isn't right around here, they can continue their patronage, barter society.

That's just my observation of the place.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:25 PM

114. I'm so not typing what I'm thinking.

Fucker. Piece of shit. Garbage.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 08:36 AM

137. How is he not in jail or dead already? If he had been anybody not affiliated with cops he would have

 

multiple holes in his corpse.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:29 AM

140. The prosecution lost that case

 

It was a sloppy prosecution, they foolishly played all then recorded tapes where police interviewed him essentially letting him testify without being cross examined, making it an easy decision for him to not take the stand. They overreached on what charges they went for.

They never provided a clear, alternative version of events. They just attacked his version without presenting a version from their side that had any substance.

When your defendant has gotten to tell his story and not even be cross examined (since they played the interview tapes in full and let that happen) as the prosecution you need to present to the jury more than just "this story doesn't make sense", you need to present a viable alternative story of events that is more believable. They never did that, they only chipped away at his story without any alternative.

The prosecution was always on defense, Zimmermans story was out in front of jurors in full and all they did was nip away at it, they never went on offense with their own version of events in a clear fashion. And when the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt" you must be the side that gives the jury the more believable story. Just attacking the defense version doesn't create a certainty with the jury to the standard required.

I was often painted as a "Zimmerman supporter" here for saying that and bashing the sloppy prosecution, despite my consistently saying I have no doubt he is guilty, just that the state never proved it to the standard needed to convict.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #140)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:17 AM

142. The prosecution did a sloppy job but I still think the evidence supported a conviction.

Then, and obviously, now.

Zimmerman's story, presented through the police interviews, made no sense. We were supposed to believe he was "ambushed" by Trayvon even though it was undisputed that Trayvon made significant efforts to evade and escape Zimmerman. It doesn't add up to normal human nature.

The inability to strike Juror B37, who clearly had a preconceived notion of events, turned out to be possibly fatal for the case.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #142)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:31 AM

143. But it's not enough to say "his story doesn't make sense"

 

You have to do that, then say "here is a version that makes more sense, and here is all the evidence that supports this version".

They never made it to the second part.

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