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markpkessinger

(8,395 posts)
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:46 PM Aug 2015

NYT: After 2 Killers Fled, New York Prisoners Say, Beatings Were Next

Here is a comment I posted to this horrific article (an excerpt and link appear below my comment):

Mark Kessinger
32 minutes ago

Frankly, we have no right to be surprised by any of this. As a nation, we still refuse to hold to account those in the CIA, the military and the previous presidential administration who authorized and carried out torture in our name in the course of the war on terror Instead, we made excuses for something we had previously nearly universally held to be abhorrent and an affront to human decency, even ignoring something we had long known: i.e., that torture doesn't work. In refusing to come to terms with what was done, we virtually ensured that the practice of torture would be extended to other contexts -- always, of course, on the argument that THIS particular set of circumstances warrants an exception.

The acceptance of torture -- even in the wake of an event such as 9-11 -- is a cancer on the ethics and morality of our society as a whole.


And here is an excerpt of the article:

[font size=5]After 2 Killers Fled, New York Prisoners Say, Beatings Were Next[/font]
By MICHAEL SCHWIRTZ and MICHAEL WINERIP AUG. 11, 2015

Night had fallen at the Clinton Correctional Facility in far northern New York when the prison guards came for Patrick Alexander. They handcuffed him and took him into a broom closet for questioning. Then, Mr. Alexander said in an interview last week, the beatings began.

As the three guards, who wore no name badges, punched him and slammed his head against the wall, he said they shouted questions: “Where are they going? What did you hear? How much are they paying you to keep your mouth shut?” One of the guards put a plastic bag over his head, Mr. Alexander said, and threatened to waterboard him.

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For days after the June prison break, corrections officers carried out what seemed like a campaign of retribution against dozens of Clinton inmates, particularly those on the honor block, an investigation by The New York Times found. In letters reviewed by The Times, as well as prison interviews, inmates described a strikingly similar catalog of abuses, including being beaten while handcuffed, choked and slammed against cell bars and walls.

They were also subjected to harsh policies ordered by the State Department of Corrections and Community Supervision: Dozens of inmates, many of whom had won the right to live on the honor block after years of good behavior, were transferred out of Clinton to other prisons. Many were placed in solitary confinement, and stripped of privileges they had accrued over the years — even though no prisoners have yet been linked to Mr. Matt’s and Mr. Sweat’s actions.

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NYT: After 2 Killers Fled, New York Prisoners Say, Beatings Were Next (Original Post) markpkessinger Aug 2015 OP
good thing this country doesn't suck nearly as bad as we think it does. KG Aug 2015 #1
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2015 #2
I had no idea. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #3
It was sickening to read . . . markpkessinger Aug 2015 #4
well the public has been told it is ok for over a decade now questionseverything Aug 2015 #6
Animals, what are the bars truly representing AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #5
Perhaps thats the reason the Gov sent his Corrections comm'r Historic NY Aug 2015 #7
Did you miss this part? markpkessinger Aug 2015 #8
Until the morale improves, Go Vols Aug 2015 #9
Thanks Bush and Cheney malaise Aug 2015 #10
Agreed . . . markpkessinger Aug 2015 #11
Indictments need to flow from this. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #12

markpkessinger

(8,395 posts)
4. It was sickening to read . . .
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:06 PM
Aug 2015

. . . And what was even more sickening to me was the number of readers who commented who apparently think it's perfectly okay to abuse prisoners merely because they're prisoners.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
6. well the public has been told it is ok for over a decade now
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:16 PM
Aug 2015

it is the frog in the boiling pot thing

i agree with your comment and might add, until we punish those responsible we can never get back to civility

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
7. Perhaps thats the reason the Gov sent his Corrections comm'r
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:43 PM
Aug 2015

in and relieved all the wardens and upper level CO's from their positions.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/prison-warden-leave-david-sweat-capture-article-1.2276282

I'll wait for the final Inspector Generals report.

markpkessinger

(8,395 posts)
8. Did you miss this part?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:48 PM
Aug 2015
< . . . . >

It would be several hours before the first details of the escape were made public. Around 11 a.m., Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo toured the honor block and inspected the holes the inmates had cut in the backs of their cells with hacksaw blades.

Governor’s Stare

The governor then stopped to question Mr. Alexander.

“Must have kept you awake with all that cutting, huh?” Mr. Cuomo asked, according to video of the exchange. Then, Mr. Alexander said, the governor “gave me his best tough-guy stare and walked off.”

Later, the governor said he would be “shocked” if any corrections officers had been involved.

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markpkessinger

(8,395 posts)
11. Agreed . . .
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:08 PM
Aug 2015

. . . although President Obama, in refusing to prosecute members of the Bush administration because he wanted to "look forward, not backwards," has a share of responsibility for the mess in which we find ourselves. I said at the time the President made that statement that by refusing to 'look backwards, by failing to come to terms with the crimes that had been committed by the prior administration, the President had assured that we would remain mired in them for years to come. And here we are.

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