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Here is a comment I posted to this horrific article (an excerpt and link appear below my comment):
32 minutes ago
Frankly, we have no right to be surprised by any of this. As a nation, we still refuse to hold to account those in the CIA, the military and the previous presidential administration who authorized and carried out torture in our name in the course of the war on terror Instead, we made excuses for something we had previously nearly universally held to be abhorrent and an affront to human decency, even ignoring something we had long known: i.e., that torture doesn't work. In refusing to come to terms with what was done, we virtually ensured that the practice of torture would be extended to other contexts -- always, of course, on the argument that THIS particular set of circumstances warrants an exception.
The acceptance of torture -- even in the wake of an event such as 9-11 -- is a cancer on the ethics and morality of our society as a whole.
And here is an excerpt of the article:
By MICHAEL SCHWIRTZ and MICHAEL WINERIP AUG. 11, 2015
Night had fallen at the Clinton Correctional Facility in far northern New York when the prison guards came for Patrick Alexander. They handcuffed him and took him into a broom closet for questioning. Then, Mr. Alexander said in an interview last week, the beatings began.
As the three guards, who wore no name badges, punched him and slammed his head against the wall, he said they shouted questions: Where are they going? What did you hear? How much are they paying you to keep your mouth shut? One of the guards put a plastic bag over his head, Mr. Alexander said, and threatened to waterboard him.
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For days after the June prison break, corrections officers carried out what seemed like a campaign of retribution against dozens of Clinton inmates, particularly those on the honor block, an investigation by The New York Times found. In letters reviewed by The Times, as well as prison interviews, inmates described a strikingly similar catalog of abuses, including being beaten while handcuffed, choked and slammed against cell bars and walls.
They were also subjected to harsh policies ordered by the State Department of Corrections and Community Supervision: Dozens of inmates, many of whom had won the right to live on the honor block after years of good behavior, were transferred out of Clinton to other prisons. Many were placed in solitary confinement, and stripped of privileges they had accrued over the years even though no prisoners have yet been linked to Mr. Matts and Mr. Sweats actions.
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KG
(28,751 posts)Solly Mack
(90,765 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)it made me feel sick to read it t hough.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts). . . And what was even more sickening to me was the number of readers who commented who apparently think it's perfectly okay to abuse prisoners merely because they're prisoners.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)it is the frog in the boiling pot thing
i agree with your comment and might add, until we punish those responsible we can never get back to civility
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)in and relieved all the wardens and upper level CO's from their positions.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/prison-warden-leave-david-sweat-capture-article-1.2276282
I'll wait for the final Inspector Generals report.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)It would be several hours before the first details of the escape were made public. Around 11 a.m., Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo toured the honor block and inspected the holes the inmates had cut in the backs of their cells with hacksaw blades.
Governors Stare
The governor then stopped to question Mr. Alexander.
Must have kept you awake with all that cutting, huh? Mr. Cuomo asked, according to video of the exchange. Then, Mr. Alexander said, the governor gave me his best tough-guy stare and walked off.
Later, the governor said he would be shocked if any corrections officers had been involved.
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Go Vols
(5,902 posts)the beatings will continue.
malaise
(268,987 posts)What a mess
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts). . . although President Obama, in refusing to prosecute members of the Bush administration because he wanted to "look forward, not backwards," has a share of responsibility for the mess in which we find ourselves. I said at the time the President made that statement that by refusing to 'look backwards, by failing to come to terms with the crimes that had been committed by the prior administration, the President had assured that we would remain mired in them for years to come. And here we are.