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Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:37 AM

 

do we get the candidates we deserve?

considering the kind of time commitment I'll be making with the upcoming election -- the work that needs to be done to offset the interests of the capitalist class, and I wonder: is america worth it? do we get the candidates we deserve?

one of the field organizers I worked with was convinced that americans will vote for the guy they want to have a beer with.

well, I thought somewhat optimistically, that would rule out dick cheney.

but it didn't rule out ronald reagan or bush jr.

what I am NOT looking forward to this year is knocking on doors to get such responses as,

"voting is too much work"
"people forced to live on welfare are lazy and I'm going to make you listen to an vitriolic diatribe abt my problems with them which are really to do with my employer being a cheap bastard and not the fact that some people are sick or disabled and still need to eat"
or, the highly original doorslam

that said, the political fervor I find here, as well as the general commitment to leftist causes is quite inspiring. how do you guys avoid burnout? I wish I knew more irl activists, all the local politicos are careerists.

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Reply do we get the candidates we deserve? (Original post)
redruddyred Aug 2015 OP
Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #1
reddread Aug 2015 #8
Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #9
reddread Aug 2015 #10
Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #13
hifiguy Aug 2015 #11
reddread Aug 2015 #12
Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #16
reddread Aug 2015 #19
Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #18
Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #21
Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #2
redruddyred Aug 2015 #3
reddread Aug 2015 #20
RobertEarl Aug 2015 #4
redruddyred Aug 2015 #5
PATRICK Aug 2015 #6
redruddyred Aug 2015 #7
bemildred Aug 2015 #14
merrily Aug 2015 #15
redruddyred Aug 2015 #22
merrily Aug 2015 #23
Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #17

Response to redruddyred (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:44 AM

1. H. L. Mencken:

On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
H. L. Mencken

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/hlmencke490503.html#UfuDGegMKwGA9d2X.99

G.W. Bush, the war criminal, got in...

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:37 AM

8. to blame that on voters is disingenuous

 

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Response to reddread (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:35 AM

9. No, it was actually a smartass crack which obviously failed. nt

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:13 PM

10. my bad

 

sensitive subject

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Response to reddread (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:46 AM

13. It' ok. Smartass doesn't always translate well when someone does have a sensitivity. Sorry.

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Response to reddread (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:09 PM

11. Nope. It isn't.

 

An individual who was and is so obviously a fucking moron never should have been able to make it close enough to steal. And it was close enough to steal, TWICE. Tens of millions of imbeciles voted for an even bigger imbecile. That is on the voters and no one else.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:14 PM

12. first, he wasnt and isnt a moron

 

one of the worst people on the planet, quite possibly. just like dear old dad.
having any discussion about GWB while pretending GHWB and his lot were not the
ruling power is a silly waste of time. which came first?
the silly fools who bothered to vote in a stolen election, or the propaganda and PR that
made the sillier fools willing to vote in a rigged system without asking or demanding real results.

the sad charade

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Response to reddread (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:43 AM

16. The poster cites Mencken, who did blame the voters. Mencken was opposed to representative

 

democracy. He was an elitist who did not think the average person had the capacity to self govern and thus should be ruled by an elite. He was a racist with rhetoric against African Americans which would make your skin twitch and anti Jewish materials so vile that even Mencken wanted them excised from his post WW2 editions.
That Mencken like is not Mencken joking. He's just speaking his mind. I do not understand why he is cited on DU at all.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:48 AM

19. sounds like every mainstream politician extant.

 

thanks for that!

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:12 AM

18. H.L. Mencken:

 

"I admit freely enough that, by careful breeding, supervision of environment and education, extending over many generations, it might be possible to make an appreciable improvement in the stock of the American negro, for example, but I must maintain that this enterprise would be a ridiculous waste of energy, for there is a high-caste white stock ready at hand, and it is inconceivable that the negro stock, however carefully it might be nurtured, could ever even remotely approach it. The educated negro of today is a failure, not because he meets insuperable difficulties in life, but because he is a negro. He is, in brief, a low-caste man, to the manner born, and he will remain inert and inefficient until fifty generations of him have lived in civilization. And even then, the superior white race will be fifty generations ahead of him."
Men versus the Man: A Correspondence between Robert Rives La Monte, Socialist, and H.L. Mencken, Individualist (1910), pg. 116

Do you also see wisdom in that? Because that's Mencken.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:09 PM

21. It was a smartass crack from when Bush, the war criminal, was in the WH. If you trying to imply that

I am a racist you are mistaken.

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Response to redruddyred (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:47 AM

2. We get candidates that want the job, and who have the power to seek it.

It is up to each voter to decide which candidate of those who apply or the job is the best qualified.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 01:04 AM

3. billy wilder believed that the majority opinion was the good one

 

back in his day it was his good movies which were the big hits.
bernie is getting such a good response; I wonder if the wild card is that people just haven't heard of him yet.

someone famous once said that treating people as we want them to be can be an impetus for change. that seems wildly optimistic, but maybe even a little bit wise if we're to give it some thought.

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Response to redruddyred (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:51 AM

20. majority rule, uninformed polling, and the power to promote/profit

 

troika of modern American "Democracy"

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Response to redruddyred (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 01:12 AM

4. In 2008 there was a GOTV campaign

 

"Don't Vote"

It was an attempt to shame people into voting. We all know the more people that vote, the better chance we have that Democrats will be elected.

I am not in favor of door knocking to get out the vote. YMMV. So I look to make sure people do vote. Standing at their door doesn't cut it, for me. There are better ways to influence them.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 01:23 AM

5. I'm curious what you think those may be

 

personally, I'm not a fan of coldcalling ppl to get out the vote. especially when the party likes to take the "let's harrass you til you snap" approach.

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Response to redruddyred (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:18 AM

6. Is that a philosophical question?

Because wisdom has no place in a typical civilization meltdown apocalypse.
We get the the candidates big money thinks we deserve- or who care anyway, there is money to be made. Once voting gets to a desperate death spiral, trying to find ANYONE who simply won't get millions killed after genuflecting to Wall Street, GOTV gets to be what is termed militarily as a "forlorn hope" whose likely result will either be final discouragement or some token temporary verbal giveaways to the masses.

Far more is required of the public than GOTV. Getting out the guns seems simpler and with even less hope for "what we deserve". How many people think rich people deserve to hoard their wealth against all comers? That in principle will tell you if we get what the majority wants.

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Response to PATRICK (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:29 AM

7. we can improve politics by lending our own time and money

 

otherwise, we are simply opening the door for whoever is willing to buy.
if the extent of your involvement is maybe voting in the general election maybe, you don't have much room to complain abt the candidates.

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Response to redruddyred (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:33 AM

14. No.

Which is not to say we could not a better job as citizens.

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Response to redruddyred (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:01 AM

15. "how do you guys avoid burnout?" We consider the alternative.

Growing old sucks....Consider the alternative.

Allegedly representative democracy sucks.....Consider the alternatives. (Caveat: with the internet, the Athenian democracy model is a possibility, both scary and reassuring.)

Not giving up on politics sucks....Consider the alternative.

Also, some of us recklessly had children and/or grandchildren and want to see them grow up with breathable air, potable water and nutritious food.

In answer to your other question, we get the best candidates money can buy. Sometimes, I blame voters. Sometimes, I blame everything but, including the dumbing down of Americans.

It also helps to be be ready for call and response.

Call: "Voting is too much work."

Response: "Can I help you request an absentee ballot?"

Call: "people forced to live on welfare are lazy and I'm going to make you listen to an vitriolic diatribe abt my problems with them which are really to do with my employer being a cheap bastard and not the fact that some people are sick or disabled and still need to eat"

Response: I agree with you that poverty among working people is a huge problem. With Medicaid, food stamps, we are subsidizing companies that don't pay their employees enough. As Sanders says, no one who works full time should have to live below the poverty line. I also agree with you that wealth and income are not distributed fairly. Let me tell you how Sanders proposes to make America more fair for you and the rest of the 99% of Americans.

Call: Doorslam

Response: slide a leaflt under the door.

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Response to merrily (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:52 PM

22. thanks

 

I needed that.

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Response to redruddyred (Reply #22)

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:24 AM

23. My pleasure.

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Response to redruddyred (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:51 AM

17. We have better than average turn out here, in part that is because we proactively make it easy to

 

vote. Voting here is a breeze and no one can claim otherwise, it could not be easier.

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