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http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/07/30/white-american-male-with-a-weapon/June 17, 2015:
White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority kills in order to feel powerful. He kills nine black parishioners because black people are all the same to him and he needs to do what he needs to do to remind the world that he is dominant.
June 17, 2015:
White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority tries to kill in order to feel powerful. He crashes in the midst of trying to run someone over with his car because go back to the country you came from and dont tell him not to use the business phone because he is dominant.
June 21, 2015:
White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority stabs in order to feel powerful. He stabs three musicians because ew gay and skinny jeans and he will show them what happens to **** because he is dominant.
June 26, 2015:
White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority kills in order to feel powerful. He shoots a Muslim man in the head at a four-way stop because go back to Islam or maybe a traffic dispute because it was his turn to go, damn it, because he is dominant.
(More at link)
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)There are hatwrs out there of all races, both male and female.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Sick people commit murders. Guns alone are innanimate objects.
stone space
(6,498 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Guns alone, are not to blame. Owning a gun could save your life, if you are ever attacked by one of those sickos.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Anyone not recognizing the obvious that The Gun is a major part of the problem is in purposeful denial.
The OP "list" includes only a small sampling of the slaughter, vast, vast majority by one weapon designed to be a weapon straight out from the box.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)When you don't have the strength to physically fight attackers. Why don't you take that in consideration?? Go look up how many survived rape attacks or home invasions because they were carrying.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Holy cow!!! And go throw your "nra" meme crap to someone else, your post is disgusting!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)themselves??" is what is vile and disgusting, but that is how the NRA rolls. With a car load of GUNS.
We still see you.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)You accusing me of being an NRA lover should get your post hidden, if not banned.
Your posts are disgusting.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Need I remind you, I see you....I see all the lame NRA strawmen tricks and distortions.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Make an argument or don;t respond. Saying that shit to a rape survivor is pretty fucking low.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Then brag about it in the Gungeon...
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)the solution is MORE GUNS?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)hide a post, using those lies. As clever as a hollow metal tube.
Not even a nice try, gun lovers! Must be frustrating, all that effort and time wasted in fabrication, for no result....I get it!
Try again?
The solution to too many guns is ......more guns!
How much of an obvious lie is that simple minded thinking?
Thanks for the opportunity to kick a gun thread in GD...lots more folks see you and the single "solution" offered by gun nuts everywhere now!
Truly, thanks!
Keep on commenting? Please!
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Yeah, good luck with your plan there to alienate everyone and somehow convince them. That'll work! Just keep trying!
And until the drinkers take responsibility for drunk drivers and alcoholism, and liver disease, I'm not much inclined to take responsibility for some mass murderer.
Good luck with your crusade.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Alcohol is responsible for more than TWICE the deaths as firearms.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)themselves are not supporters, but true, blue liberals. Just like you at DU! They insist!
Distortion is part of the gun lover's arsenal as much as the precious gun, but when they do these childish distortions in the typical passive-aggressive voice they just come off looking like asses because folks can read.
By distorting and imparting false allegations of imputed intent they then go off on a tangential mission of trying to convince others of their lies....very transparent.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But I am NOT an NRA supporter.
Of course, you add your own interpretation on the words and actions of others.
And I do the same. For example, I think this isn't really about lives to you and many others. If it were, you'd be addressing issues that take many, many more lives than firearms.
Absolutely shameful.
Positrons
(53 posts)What is wrong with you?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)as they best see fit.
sarisataka
(18,835 posts)Who cares about victims?
There is a branch of gun control proponents who are as radical and evil as any three-letter pro gun organizations. They have given up any concern for victims except as pawns to advance an agenda.
If a person is not shot they are irrelevant. Like the woman stabbed to death by her ex we were told "she should have made better dating choices. Now a rape survivors who arms themselves are "NRA lovers"
Thankfully this group of gun control proponents is a minority
ileus
(15,396 posts)As a progressive you're supposed to accept attacks on your person instead of using a mean old gun to defend yourself.
Paka
(2,760 posts)to protect myself.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)But others make a different call...and that's their right.
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Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Response to Paka (Reply #159)
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Do you think that your choice should form the basis of law?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)You can correct someone's knowledge without doing that.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Of course, he won't ever affirm her right to defend herself and all the while grouse about being called out for that fact that that is exactly what he believes. His inability to cope with the shape of the real world does not impart a duty to be raped on others.
I repent of nothing I said and I'd say it again because he'll be saying it again as well.
Demit
(11,238 posts)You can justify to yourself calling people names all you like, but it doesn't make you look any less a twelve-year-old to everyone else.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)You don't think that is more diminishing than calling some ass an ass? It's dismissive and belittling and tells her that her safety has no value. In fact, he has made posts declaring, "We're coming for your guns because your guns keep coming for us" so if she or any other woman wants to protect themselves -- well -- they should just learn to relax and hope its over quickly.
To hell with that. To hell with him and any other ass that would say that.
Never without a fight.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I agree with every word he said and find the irony of you calling him a 12 year old for rightly calling someone an ass indescribably delicious.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)"him/he" should be "her/she" and I genuinely appreciate your contribution.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Damn I hate when that happens. Well now I know. Have a Wonderful Day.
Chris
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...but it sure as fuck is appropriate.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)This should be good...
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)and not "gun" and includes examples of use of other weapons.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)You speak of LGBT people attacked by straight knives and use that to speak of your gun issues? Fuck you both. How dare you drag those victims out then use then as your fodder?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Not all involved guns.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,961 posts)Glad you wrote that - I don't see what this has to do with guns at all.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,961 posts)This is an angry white male in America who hurts people thread.
Including NON angry white males in America.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Well adjusted white men are also victims of white men with a sense of superiority who feel a need to be powerful. Very good point. We are all victims of this group of people, though I think the less of society's power we have, the more likely we are to be their victims.
But our society created them. This article is from a sociology website. There's no way to discuss sociology and white supremacy and white male supremacy without discussing things like race and gender.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)women because some man feels powerless.
Feeling powerless engenders hate and when it looks hopeless the hate intensifies. This may be why we are seeing so much more of this type of incidents. Thank you.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Unless you limited it to white guys who kill women because they feel powerless.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)for things to get out of hand if someone is predisposed to do stupid shit.
Hot heads should not be in possession of a gun at any time. IMO
gollygee
(22,336 posts)We'd still have this kind of violence. White men who have this sense of superiority and want to feel powerful would still get violent. They'd just choose different means.
madokie
(51,076 posts)or it would give the black people a better chance of fighting them off, you have to agree
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)My reading of the second amendment doesn't lead me to interpret it as it is interpreted.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)the rights of the INDIVIDUAL.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)Give it a little thought; if we could make the NRA disappear TODAY, the fundamental right of a populace to have the ability to protect themselves - like the right to be safe in the homes, would still remain.
Is that a problem for you?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)P.S. A comment is not "vacuous" when it is intended to be.
That kind of comment would be better defined as an "insult".
jonno99
(2,620 posts)that the NRA is merely your scapegoat. As I said earlier, it is the HUMAN problem (and the resulting evil) which we need to address.
But that sounds like hard work doesn't it (you know, parenting, and ethics and all that)? It much easier to make noise about the NRA than work on the actual problem...
madokie
(51,076 posts)I don't believe it was put there for he same reason as you do, as I stated.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)Google "bill of rights", and educate yourself.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I'm not interested in your pro-gun views, sorry
jonno99
(2,620 posts)are about the rights of the individual.
My two cents - fwiw...
Have a great weekend!
madokie
(51,076 posts)and the same back atcha
whathehell
(29,097 posts)Where are the stats for your numbers?
I know you live in the UK, but you need to stop misstating facts.
I'm sorry to sound so exasperated, but you posted the same false figure
yesterday, and are doing it again, even after being corrected.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/11-essential-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-america/
.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)stupid, mean, people do stupid mean, shit.
Like Bernie said, 99.9 percent of gun owners present no trouble.
madokie
(51,076 posts)having spent 15 months having to live with a gun by my side has me a tad jaded, I suppose
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)focus on the trouble-makers - not the inanimate objects. Because the fact is that inanimate objects - weapons of any stripe - are not going to disappear.
Blaming guns is just lazy - and ineffective (but makes for good political theater). The hard work is trying to get humans to act "civilized". Who wants to tackle that one though?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)All those other devices have primary uses that do not involve killing.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)immediately reasonable response is to fight back with a WEAPON that provides equal standing. The diminutive woman has very few options in a rape or home invasion situation. A gun make an effective equalizer.
Which is also why cops - and the presidents bodyguards - carry them...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)for a moment, I don't see your point. Please note that many contests in the Olympics are based on pre-firearms weapons. The shot (put), discus, javelin come to mind.
What is the relevancy of your observation?
-none
(1,884 posts)Not too many people are killed or injured with shot puts or javelins every year in this country. Guns, on the other hand are a very different story. Even people with a history of mental problems and being prone to violence, can easily and legally buy guns.
You don't see a problem here?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I generally carry a locking blade Buck Knife, for utility and SD; a poor substitute for a gun, but with definite killing capability. At home I have a quite powerful revolver for home defense; it is likely to kill if fired into the body trunk of an attacker, though my intent would be to stop the attack. No, I don't see a problem with owning weapons with this capability.
Those who are adjudicated mentally incompetent and/or convicted of violent crimes should not be allowed to have firearms.
The "designed to kill" assertion remains afloat in the ether, except for my answer.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The logic is childish from those folks who know what a weapon designed to kill right out of the box can do to human flesh and are only too happy to boast of their arsenal and the many wonderful features of The Gun.
Sometimes they even post gun porn when their juvenile "arguments" are rightly ignored...wait for it.
Positrons
(53 posts)... They die from bullets as opposed to cars, knives or tire irons?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)If you Straight people want to exploit the violence you do against gay people in this manner at least speak of the victims and do not try to make their deaths about you. Have some respect for the dead.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Or if they do I guess it must be justified or something.
Racist bilge
gollygee
(22,336 posts)namely, sense of superiority and desire to feel powerful.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)motive is racist agitprop.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)White, male, American, with a weapon, and with a sense of superiority.
But it does note the similarities between these killings, and race is one of the similarities.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)you are defending fixates on race as the determining factor. The message is loud and clear, "Hate and fear white American males because they will kill us all."
This racist bullshit is worthy of Donald Trump.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I knew some people at DU who think racism goes both from groups who hold power to those who don't, and from groups who don't hold power to those who do, would mistakenly think this was racist, however that does not make it so, and your belief that it is does not concern me.
This is specifically about how our white supremacist society, which holds men and white people as superior and more powerful, contributes to a particular kind of violence. There is no way to discuss white supremacy without discussing race, and I feel like people's insistence to ignore race is an attempt to shut down discussion of white supremacy.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Cannot act in a racist manner? If a black person attacks a white person (or any other race) simply because they are white, isn't that racism? Simply trying to understand your position.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)So people of color can be bigoted, and can kill for that reason, but they don't have societal power.
If you're looking for a job, almost every person in a position to hire will be white. That's just a statistical fact. So if you are interviewed by one African American who thinks African Americans make better employees and doesn't hire you for that reason, you are a victim of bigotry, however every or almost every other person you interview with will be white and almost certainly won't share that opinion. However, if you are a person of color, it's reversed. Every or almost every person who hires you will be white. You might get interviewed by a person of color, people of color might do the sorting of resumes at some places, but in most workplaces the people in a position to hire employees are white. A person of color's problem in job hunting isn't limited to going one job interview. It's every or almost every job interview. That's one example of the difference between bigotry and racism.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)You got a plan or is it just about the hate?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)White people are not worse than anyone else. White people have more societal power and therefore can do more harm in some areas. Why do you try to present me as saying something I'm not saying?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)homicide? Did the prosecutors go, "Oh, wait, he's white. Give him back his car keys and send him on his way"?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)as said in the OP.
And the criminal justice system is indeed racially biased. Are you unaware of that?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)It's why robbers rob and rapists rape. It's what motivates domestic violence, despotism, war, political corruption, greed and every other human sin. Find me 1 example of human depravity that isn't motivated by the perpetrator feeling superior to the victim but then let's walk through all human societies through all human history.
There is 1 singular source for all human misery --
humanity (or rather, the lack of it)
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)(Hint- not middle age white dentists)
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)defined the way you defined it. Is that just your personal definition or do you have a source for that? Just curious.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism
Please note that the term "societal power" is not mentioned in that definition.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)That racism is bigotry that upholds our society's racial hierarchy.
http://sociology.about.com/od/R_Index/fl/Racism.htm
Also, dictionaries are written mainly by white people and are not immune from bias.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)n/t
melman
(7,681 posts)Maybe sociologists should go ahead and make up a whole new language.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)skewing it in favor of whoever is writing their paycheck because normal people don't pay for this sort of crap.
Which is really just another way of saying, "A biased waste of money and effort."
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Spare me the "power dynamic" bullshit. When a group can be singled out for no reason other than the color of their skin then it is safe to say any presumption they are privileged has pretty much evaporated. You're hate-peddling, hate-mongering and nothing more. You don't want a solution, you want hate.
Think I'm over the line? Go ahead, show me the remedy for this white people problem you're so deeply concerned about. What are we supposed to do with all these white people who -- by sole virtue of their pigmentation -- are going to kil us all because apparently they're all mass killers just waiting to spring upon the innocent.
Make fewer white people? March all the white people into classes to be properly educated? What are we supposed to do about this white scourge?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I never said anything about killing all white people, or that all white people are mass killers. Hyperbole.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Bullshit. That's all the OP is -- white people, they gonna kill us all. Don't look for anything else, don't bother suspecting anyone else, you need look no further than their skin.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)for racially motivated reasons lately? Or you just don't think we should mention that these people doing these racially motivated crimes are white?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)But these race-baiting double-speak agitprop pieces are pretty self evident.
"Have you ever noticed what a burden white people are to our society."
"Dude, that is so racist."
"It's not racist. I'm not saying white people are the sole problem."
"So you admit non-whites can be racist."
"Oh no. They can't. Racism can only be exhibited by those on the higher side of the societal power dynamic."
"So only white people can be racist?"
"Exactly."
derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp
See also: "I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim" or "All Mexicans aren't illegal but all illegals are Mexican." or "Not all blacks are petty criminals but--" Well, you get the idea. Or do you?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)White supremacy is a burden, not white people.
Terrorist, illegal, and petty criminal aren't a sociological term the way "racism" is, and I don't use the word racist as a noun (or illegal for that matter) - it's an adjective.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Your OP fixates on only one thing -- white American males. It looks only skin deep just like every other journey into racist diatribe.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It's very clear about that.
Igel
(35,374 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)not crime in general, which is concentrated more among the poor - and because of the history of slavery and racism in our country, more people of color are poor.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Sandra Bland and may have beaten and abused her, was Hispanic.
Brian Encinia
Brian Encinia was 30 years old at the time of the incident, and is listed in Texas voter records as Hispanic.[12] He graduated from Texas A&M University in 2008 with a degree in agricultural leadership and development. From 2008 to 2014, he held a position with Blue Bell Creameries as an ingredient-processing supervisor. Prior to his employment as a state trooper in 2014, he served as a volunteer firefighter with the Brenham fire department for four years.[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sandra_Bland
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Encinias who arrested Sandra Bland was Hispanic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sandra_Bland
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Much as it was during the McKinney, Texas pool party last month.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I think racism is a symptom, not the disease. Get rid of racism and people will still find a reason to feel superior. Get rid of the impulse towards superiority and racism, sexism and the rest goes with it.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Somehow I doubt it - men and violence are linked regardless of race.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)namely, sense of superiority and desire to feel powerful.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)gender).
gollygee
(22,336 posts)because it's talking about killings done for a specific reason, and noting similarities between those killings.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Most of the incidents are not mass killings. It is about white men killing.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Thanks for the correction.
hack89
(39,171 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)it's about killings that are related to white supremacy, or in this case male white supremacy. They're all about men who killed due to a feeling of superiority and in order to feel powerful. I'm sure there are also cases of white men who kill for other reasons, and cases of women of all races, and men of color, who kill for a variety of reasons.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)And your (and other racists) attempts to pretend only white men can be racist is revisionist stupidity made up by morons.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)It hasn't shit to do with race. There is a single race responsible for a statistically disproportionate number of killings with weapons and it isn't Caucasian...there is a aingle race responsible for a statistically disproportionate number of rapes (a crime of superiority) and it isn't Caucasian either.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)A large number aren't murders at all (they're assaults).
So...do white males commit murder at a higher rate than other demographic groups? I'll save you some time: no, they do not. Males in general commit murder at a (vastly) higher rate than females, but white males are not more inclined to do so than other racial groups.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)You're right, it's not just mass killings.
But it's about killings, or criminal violence anyway, movitivated by a sense of superiority and a need to feel power. (Both.)
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)But a mere list of anecdotes with speculation about motivation isn't useful, save perhaps as a heads-up that actual investigation of that sort exists. That article comes across as nothing more than snarky, somewhat racist flamebait.
Actually, black men commit more murders than any other group (at least in 2012), and are more likely to be murdered. But you are correct that men commit the vast majority of murders.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expandhomicidemain#disablemobileSent
Romulox
(25,960 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It seems that this would be an obvious question in response to the OP, but calling anyone other than white men bloodthirsty savages is bad.
We're not really against bigotry, per se. We just have a doctrine about which kinds are obligatory.
Lodestar
(2,388 posts)flesh-melting white phosphorous chemical weapons against the population of Fallujah.
He also blew up frogs for fun when he was a child according to a childhood friend (interveiwed for an article in the NYT).
We've had so many red flags and have allowed them to somehow become the new normal....
acceptable.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Or the thesis you forward anyway. What should society do to defend itself against White American Males who want to feel powerful?
Bryant
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and I believe we can create a society that is more equal, where nobody feels superior or needs to feel more powerful than others. The first step is discussing white supremacy (and in this case white male supremacy) so it isn't hidden. I feel like problems like racism are harmed by light, but get stronger in the dark. I liked this article because it shines a light on white supremacy as a reason behind some killings in the US.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)At least according to everything I've read or heard. Here's a list I found online and you'll see it comes up often. Every list I've seen includes discussion as a major part of the answer.
http://mic.com/articles/97900/10-simple-rules-for-being-a-non-racist-white-person
pipoman
(16,038 posts)(Oh, and we get that you and yours are attempting to change the meaning of the word racist so as to only include whites...everyone knows this is just more actual, defined racism) It isn't helpful, nor will it ever be.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)Tells me all I need to know about you....oh, and also your posting this in the first place....
Rex
(65,616 posts)White American male runs things and doesn't like to be reminded when white American male does horrible things. Ever.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)same privilege extends into everything in a white, male dominated culture.
Break up the mass media, they are too big to tell the truth.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Too big to be trusted with the brains of the moral majority.
Gothmog
(145,698 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Safety first....easy victim never.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)so that's your message?
guns would be peaceful, in the hands of any other race?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Then look for help in removing your foot from your mouth.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)selective anecdotes and verbiage that changes definitions based exclusively on the skin color of the subject at hand.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Not that ol' Freddie saw my suggestion: he put me on Ignore for the heinous crime of presuming to disagree with him (civilly, I should point out). Pure comedy gold.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Maybe two, but one will work you free?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)It sounds like you're accusing me of having sock puppets but I'm honestly not sure.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Nothing to do with DU, just trying to imagine a nuclear unicorn.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)If I were to tell you how I gained the moniker you'd probably nod your head and say, "Yeah. He pegged her dead to rights."
Rex
(65,616 posts)crystals maybe? Intake ports and of course glowing gold eyes. A dark metallic horn made from uniranium and well nigh unbreakable. Hell, that would make a really kick ass comic book imo.
Tell me, how did you get that name?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I was in one of my usual haunts, a coffee house. We sort of spied each other and the opposites attracted. He had a military haircut and way of carrying himself because he was in the Army. I was wearing sandals and a sun dress and had braids in my hair. I chided him about being a soldier, he chided me about being a hippie chick.
He got up and went to the restroom. No sooner did he leave then some guy who had been sitting behind me leaned over and told me I should just stop hanging out with that guy, it would be better if I just hung out with him and his friends (by which he really meant just him). I told him thanks but no thanks. He insisted that "that guy" was bad news. I asked if he knew him and he didn't. Basically it was a "You know how those people are. You should stick with your own kind" sales pitch. Then he put his hand on my hip to try and coax me away --
-- and I proceeded to flip my shit right there in the middle of the coffee house.
Lover Boy came out of the bathroom to see me climbing into other guy's face and cussing him for all he was worth. I think I jabbed the other guy in the face with my finger a couple of times but to be honest I don't remember because I was so furious. Lover Boy stepped up behind me and obviously everyone else was watching so dude left.
Things quieted down, and by "things" I mean "me." When I was regaining my composure Lover Boy said, "For a hippie chick you sure got a lot of fight in you. You're like some sort of nuclear unicorn."
And voila!
Sounds better than my story.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Thanks for sharing that, I think that story is awesome! I can just see you...literally standing on some caveman's shoulders (with you stooped over face to face) going 'nuclear' for trying to grope you! Poking him in the face saying something like, "if you EVER..." in a very loud and furious voice!
Opposites are usually the best relationships IMO. Can also be the most volatile.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I split us up for a while but I was instantly miserable. Why he ever took me back I'll never know but I adore him for it. As we've grown we've grown together. We have a good life out in the country, a home, lots of critters. Things are simple, pure. I smile with gratitude just thinking about how blessed I am.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Best years of my life were spent (8 of them) with a firecracker of a girlfriend! Sadly she passed on from breast cancer. It's been over 15 years and I can still smell her and hear her voice in my head like it was yesterday morning. She was the only women on the planet that not only tried, but understood me so well that at times I questioned if I knew myself as well as she did.
Love the one you're with. Never is too long.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)and I'd be happy to discuss class privilege in another thread if you'd like to open one. I personally feel like class privilege is a bigger issue than male privilege in many cases, at least for married heterosexual women like myself who gain additional privilege through our relationships with our husbands. I am very aware of it and I'd like to see that negative aspect of society changed as well, which is why I'm voting for Sanders.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)including my white privilege, which is what made me post the article in the OP.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)everyone else's behavior, without any spotlight whatever being put on your own. The answer is your own privilege.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)except maybe those white men who feel a sense of superiority and commit violent acts because they want to feel powerful. I feel comfortable critiquing anyone who commits violent acts.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Because you've *never* posted an OP critiquing that.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)But when wealth privilege is discussed, I absolutely agree with its existence. I have wealth privilege now, but I didn't grow up with it, and I am very aware of it's existence.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)that has been doing a great deal of anti-racism work, so I've been reading a lot of anti-racist material. I sometimes post stuff I see due to the training we've been doing. The organization's mission involves helping specifically people without wealth privilege, but either there isn't a lot of wealth privilege training out there, or our organization hasn't organized it.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)though.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)You're being disingenuous.
Thanks for keeping the thread kicked anyway.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Nope. Never has, and never will.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Never is a long time. I don't know what all I've posted about wealth inequality, but it is something I'm interested in. I'm not actively taking training and receiving frequent emails about it though, so I don't see a ton of articles about it that haven't already been posted on DU, as I do with anti-racsim articles.. Also, there are tons of people who post on DU about wealth privilege, but there are only a handful who post about race privilege.
It would be good for the group I volunteer with to take training on wealth privilege in addition to the anti-racism training we're doing, if it exists, and if it doesn't it should.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Society did not tell that person to do it. Society created the police who arrested that person, the jails that will hold him, the courts in which he will be tried and the prison where he will be warehoused.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Society isn't some beast that takes possession of people's minds. A person made a decision about how they as a person were going to treat other people. For all this vaunted power you assign to society I have somehow remained immune. Why is that?
Because I choose to be so.
Running people down with a car is a choice. Embracing our common humanity is a choice. Posting racist bilge is a choice. Reaching out to those in need is a choice.
You aren't confronting racism, you're excusing those who commit act of racism. You have taken away their personal culpability, their ability to act as free moral agents and are transferring it to "society" and then redefining society to be a group based on nothing more than a superficial characteristic, i.e. skin color and gender. Which is exactly what racists do which is why the OP is racist. You aren't ending racism, you're excusing it while indulging in it.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It is indeed a societal thing, and is therefore not limited to people who fit the profile of "racists" such as skinheads, KKK members, people who commit hate crimes, etc. Racism is a bigger picture issue.
Trying to limit it to just people whom one would easily label racist is a way of keeping our society from critically looking at our systems and structures and reconstructing them in an anti-racist way. It keeps everything the same, save a few people.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Consider virtually every other nation is based on racial and ethnic divisions. When was the last time a non-ethnic German, Chinese, Brazilian, Mexican, etc etc etc president was elected into any of the respective countries? Do you think tribes in Africa and South America allow outsiders into their groups as equals? I'll guarantee their social structures are absolutely engineered to insure ethnic hegemony with no 13th and 14th Amendments or Brown v Board of Education or Civil Rights Acts to allow access to the mechanisms of power.
Judging from some of the posts in this thread you are doing quite well for yourself. How integrated is your community? Do you have an HOA that would keep "those sorts of people" out of the neighborhood? Do you go shopping in the poorer side of town to disburse your wealth to those who need the economic activity or do those neighborhoods make you uneasy?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It was caused by colonization, which affected much of the world and not just the US. And a Chinese person in power in China is not the same as a white person in power in the US because white doesn't = American. Still, there are ethnic minorities in China. I'm not aware enough of the specifics there to know if a Chinese ethnic minority has ever been in a position of national power.
Also, it appears you think that there is less racism here than other places because we've had a black president? I would disagree. Regardless, African Americans are not "outsiders" in the US. Their ancestors have been here on average longer than white people's ancestors.
My overall community is somewhat integrated but could absolutely be better. The group I volunteer with is not the only one doing anti-racism training, so hopefully things will improve. It is not all white by a long shot though. My specific neighborhood is very integrated racially when compared to our area as a whole or the state of Michigan as a whole, but is only made up of wealthy people, just not only white wealthy people. I shop in all parts of town.
beevul
(12,194 posts)The 'need to feel powerful' extends from one side of the aisle to the other, and across all races creeds and colors. Its here on DU too, and plain to see, whenever theres an alert jihad, or a poster mass ignores others.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I like to pretend I have absolute knowledge of other people's genuflecting too.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)to harp about race and guns instead of about homophobia and religious based bias against LGBT which is the actual motive for most of the violence against us.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Oh wait, you'd try to shut them down too.
Romulox
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merrily
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Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)You make a great deal of assumptions. I don't keep up on the gun debates and I'm not intrested in them.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)because I am very uncomfortable with what appear to be attempts to pinpoint my location.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I am not comfortable with you trying to find out where I live.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I've talked about it but I don't remember what threads. I still think you're confusing me with someone else, though I don't care much. I don't even care much whether you find out I've talked about it, or find links. You trying to find out where I live is the only thing about you of interest to me.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I generally post things that are sent via email or on facebook from the group I volunteer with, and those are generally anti-racism articles. But when wealth privilege has come up in a thread, I have every single time acknowledged it, and I have never suggested I don't have it, or tried to downplay my privilege.
You're not even interested in that. You just want me to stop talking about racism. But you're keeping the thread kicked so that's something.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)You seem more interested in me than anything else.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)post.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)whoops
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Would this screed be racist if it were written about black men with a gun who kills in order to feel powerful...I believe it would be, and it is equally racist being about white men.
The ridiculous belief that only whites can be racist is just more overtly racist bullshit forwarded by race baiters and fools.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I'd like to thank everyone for keeping it kicked!
annabanana
(52,791 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)A very enlightening thread!
Ilsa
(61,709 posts)Hormone and drug in the history of the world.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Well no shit, Sherlock.
Can you just imagine the (well-deserved) outcry if someone were to write a similar article about murders by black males, specifically focusing on their race and indulging in bullshit speculation about their motivations? Hell, you don't have to imagine: people write articles like that all the time.
At Stormfront...
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and still killing, destroying, hating all to feel racially superior and dominant. On and on it goes.....where it stops nobody knows
Stinky The Clown
(67,832 posts)"One bullet at a time"
"We're coming for you"
"When the hot war starts, you'll be the first to know"
And on and on.
This sort of threat - directed at all liberals - is more open and more common that ever. Some even leveled against named members of DU. That goes well beyond comedy or derision. That is an actual threat.
Initech
(100,108 posts)"White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority kills in order to feel powerful. He bribes sanctuary guards with $55,000, tortures a famed lion used in a decade long research project before shooting it with a bow and arrow, bragging about it on Instagram, l and cutting its head off, because, damn it, because he is dominant."
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:13 PM - Edit history (2)
to explaining the white privilege of their race to them without them getting all buggy.
I wonder what all the gun lovers crashing the thread with their insane and transparent rantings think of the killing of Cecile and honored NRA board member Ted Nugent's defence?
Posing that question should be good for a laugh!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)that efforts to protect themselves are political shilling. Care to broach that subject?
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)...at odds with the myth of the master race.
Their cognitive dissonance turns murderous when life stubbornly refuses to validate their fantasies.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)seems like a lot of white (male) people took this personally
I'm a white, gun owner (female, though) and I get the point. Still, watch out talking about white male privilege (or fear of the loss of) around here, because almost nobody here has that.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)killing. Rich white guys can cause the death of millions of people around the world and never go to jail or even get called murderers.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Hispanics, for instance, have a similar poverty rate, but a significantly lower murder rate. The two groups have both experienced racism in America, but they have different histories with it. Maybe that explains some of it.
Poverty is certainly part of it. It makes every stress and strain worse, every problem more insoluble, and the need to make a few bucks more desperate.
I don't know about the rest of it, but we seem to produce some really fucked up kids--of all colors--and there is one observation I will make: It seems to run in families. Dad goes to prison, son goes to prison. And his son goes to prison. I see that a lot among my poor white contemporaries, and I see that a lot in other communities, too.
We have to break that pipeline somehow. Part of it's poverty, racism, and a horrendously unfair criminal justice system, but not all of it. Why do some families deal with that by inter-generational criminality and others don't?
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I don't have a lot of money, but I haven't had to kill anybody myself because I couldn't afford to hire an assassin. You?
Yeah, I agree that rich white guys can get away with mass murder. So do rich leaders of other colors. Ask the Saudis.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)SunSeeker
(51,748 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)than any other gender ethnicity combo.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I want you to know that this thread being all about guns with a stabbing of gay people cited in the OP is hyper offensive.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I didn't write it, I just pasted it, but it does use offensive language so I edited that out. It's about violence, specifically killing members of oppressed groups, not even specifically about race (although that's the context under which it was emailed to me) but it is definitely not about guns.