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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:10 AM Jul 2015

White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority kills in order to feel powerful

Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:45 PM - Edit history (1)

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/07/30/white-american-male-with-a-weapon/



June 17, 2015:

White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority kills in order to feel powerful. He kills nine black parishioners because black people are all the same to him and he needs to do what he needs to do to remind the world that he is dominant.



June 17, 2015:

White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority tries to kill in order to feel powerful. He crashes in the midst of trying to run someone over with his car because “go back to the country you came from” and don’t tell him not to use the business’ phone because he is dominant.



June 21, 2015:

White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority stabs in order to feel powerful. He stabs three musicians because ew gay and “skinny jeans” and he will show them what happens to **** because he is dominant.



June 26, 2015:

White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority kills in order to feel powerful. He shoots a Muslim man in the head at a four-way stop because “go back to Islam” – or maybe a traffic dispute – because it was his turn to go, damn it, because he is dominant.


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White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority kills in order to feel powerful (Original Post) gollygee Jul 2015 OP
The common factor in these instances is HATE, intolerance, and prejudice. darkangel218 Jul 2015 #1
The other common factor in the vast majority, almost every one of these and thousands more, is The Gun. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #2
Guns don't kill by themselves, people shoot them. darkangel218 Jul 2015 #3
The GUN turns HATE, intolerance, and prejudice into empowered HATE, intolerance, and prejudice. (nt) stone space Jul 2015 #7
Just like carrying a knife or any other weapon.. I suppose the intolerant or prejudiced would feel e darkangel218 Jul 2015 #10
The GUN turns the hate, prejudice, mental instability, etc., into murder and maiming. The GUN makes it all so easy...and final. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #13
Guns make it also easy to defend yourself, especially as a woman darkangel218 Jul 2015 #16
The NRA salutes you for yet another illogical and fact-free attempt at deflecting. We see you! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #19
It's illogical that I appreciate the fact that I can protect myself??? darkangel218 Jul 2015 #25
Another typical NRA lover response..."you hate women, because you do not think women should defend Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #30
As a rape victim/survivor, I appreciate the fact that I can protect myself. darkangel218 Jul 2015 #35
Walk like an NRA lover, quack like an NRA lover, advance NRA talking points exactly like this one. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #50
That is seriously some weak shit. Adrahil Jul 2015 #132
Careful: he'll put you on ignore at the slightest hint of disagreement. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #158
NRA posters are often not truthful about who they are, but did you read about the poster suggesting Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #175
If you wanna call her a liar, then have the guts to do it directly. nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #253
First you admit you are! It is not nice to fabricate lies about any poster, and then attempt to, unsuccessfully, Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #254
I didn't try to hide anything. I never hide anyone. Adrahil Aug 2015 #258
When one fails to understand false equivalency and logic, it is I that wish you good luck! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #259
LOL... Sure. Be sure to polish your righteous indignation while you're at it. ;) nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #261
Wanted to add.. you're right, they are NOT equivalent. Adrahil Aug 2015 #263
NRA supporters, I should add, also often distort the words of others in order to pretend they Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #194
I'm certainly not like you... Adrahil Aug 2015 #260
Agreed Alfalfa Aug 2015 #252
That is disgusting.... Positrons Jul 2015 #165
Thanks for repeating for malicious purpose a false accusation from a NRA gun lover poster, new poser. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #173
If its a false accusation feel free to prove it by stating women have the right to defend themselves Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #181
#itsallabouttheguns sarisataka Jul 2015 #191
advocating protecting yourself with a gun is mean and hateful...and it's hurts feelings. ileus Jul 2015 #65
I'm a rape victim/survivor, but I still don't feel the need to carry a gun Paka Jul 2015 #159
That's your call and your right. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jul 2015 #169
Which was my point...thanks for understanding. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #176
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #230
And that's your choice to make. Adrahil Aug 2015 #262
Agreed. Calling a liberal an "NRA supporter" here on DU should be hideworthy. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #171
She's a rape survivor, you ass. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #42
Not necessary to call people names. Demit Jul 2015 #52
He's telling a rape survivor that her only motive for carrying is to support the NRA. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #76
I can read. Demit Jul 2015 #135
How justified is it to tell a survivor the only reason they carry is to be a propaganda tool? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #180
Doesn't read like the opinion of a 12 year old to me, not that he needs me to defend him. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #216
I'm not complaining, just for the purpose of clarifying -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #256
I am very sorry. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #264
It might not be necessary... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #156
Please note: One side in Guns Discussions can call names w/out condemnation.nt Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #217
No one can teach you to see. ileus Jul 2015 #64
Feel free to point out rte specific logical fallacy she employed. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #170
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #122
I'm worried this thread is going to get locked as a gun thread when it specifically says "weapon" gollygee Jul 2015 #18
Ahh, the cleverness abounds. Ri-i-i-ight off: See #2 Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #219
It's a bigoted and exploitative thread you have running here, you and Fred. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #238
Heard some guy in Jerusalem had a knife what did that. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #213
It says "with a weapon" gollygee Jul 2015 #8
The OP cites 4 incidences: A shooting, a stabbing and vehicular homicide Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #11
Plus 100 JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #28
It's a monomania with the poster and his thread ally Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #40
And something else . . . n/t - but this isn't a gun control thread JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #31
Yes! gollygee Jul 2015 #54
I totally agree with your OP and suggest that it should contain one more example - the killing of jwirr Jul 2015 #160
But that would dilute the whole white guy schtick. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #193
I think you are on to something. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #255
Being in possession of a gun makes it easy madokie Jul 2015 #38
If we banned guns but still had a white male supremacist society gollygee Jul 2015 #57
but it would make it less deadly madokie Jul 2015 #60
Precisely....320 million designed to kill GUNS is a huge problem, especially for minorities and those guns have to go....first and now. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #80
Yes, very true madokie Jul 2015 #87
Keep in mind that the 2A - like the rest of the "Bill of Rights" are ALL about guaranteeing jonno99 Jul 2015 #99
The NRA salutes you a second time! You are on a roll! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #107
Thank you for that cogent, yet vacuous response. jonno99 Jul 2015 #115
The NRA is evil, that is not a problem for some folks at all, is it? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #118
If you feel better labeling the NRA as evil - go for it. I'm not a member. But it's obvious jonno99 Jul 2015 #123
No I don't believe that for a second madokie Jul 2015 #114
Your belief is not a requirement to make it a fact. Just take a few minutes and jonno99 Jul 2015 #124
I know full well what the bill of rights are madokie Jul 2015 #164
Well, then you are aware then that the BOR is not about collective (even corporate) rights, they jonno99 Jul 2015 #168
Thank you I hope too madokie Jul 2015 #172
That's the number of people in the US, not the number of guns -- Only about a third of us own guns whathehell Jul 2015 #140
In your response you could substitute the word "gun" with "car", "motorcycle", or "knife"; jonno99 Jul 2015 #58
I guess so madokie Jul 2015 #63
Only one is designed as a weapon right from the factory and is preferred by armies....can you guess which one? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #70
Ok, but if 99.9% of gun owners present no problem, then perhaps we should jonno99 Jul 2015 #86
The NRA salutes you for pulling the "inaminate object" logical fail out of the NRA bag of lies! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #104
Grumpy indeed! jonno99 Jul 2015 #125
You called? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #204
The difference is that the gun's primary purpose and design, is to kill. -none Jul 2015 #109
Well of course. But what is the primary purpose of the rapist? For many the only jonno99 Jul 2015 #119
So, what is the point about "designed to kill?" Not all guns are, but conceding the argument... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #221
Deflection from the fact that too many guns in hands of too many people that should not have them. -none Jul 2015 #231
Deflection? My goodness, I didn't broach the pointless subject of "designed to kill." Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #235
Gun lovers never see a problem with guns. More and more guns are the solution to all the many guns. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #239
Is one more or less dead if... Positrons Jul 2015 #241
Dude, of the three expamples cited, one is a car, one is a knife and another a gun. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #237
K&R mwrguy Jul 2015 #4
No other races or genders kill anyone ever Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #5
This is discussing mass killings done for a particular reason gollygee Jul 2015 #9
No, it's 100% racist. It fixates on race and sees nothing but race. It seeks no remedy. It's only Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #14
It names a few things, not just race gollygee Jul 2015 #15
I would hazard a guess that all murderers have a sense of superiority. But the racist agitprop Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #21
LOL gollygee Jul 2015 #27
So is it your position that a minority TeddyR Jul 2015 #34
Racism is racial bigotry + societal power gollygee Jul 2015 #41
Okay, so -- according to you -- white people are the worst thing ever. Now what? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #45
Huh? gollygee Jul 2015 #48
Please tell me what element of white societal dominance facilitated stabbings and vehicular Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #82
The feeling of superiority and a need to feel powerful gollygee Jul 2015 #85
Which has absolutely nothing to do with race. Superiority over the victim motivates all crimes. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #100
Yes, white supremacy involves a sense of superiority. n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #110
So does the OP. So now what? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #178
why don't you take a quick checky there of who are killing all the fucking elephants snooper2 Jul 2015 #126
I looked up the term "racism" in several dictionaries and I did not find it totodeinhere Jul 2015 #243
It is the definition sociologists use gollygee Jul 2015 #244
Aren't a lot of sociologists also white people not immune from bias? totodeinhere Jul 2015 #248
Good for them melman Jul 2015 #249
A sociologist is someone who gets paid to tell us all what normal people think and then Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #257
Whatever. Ginning up racist hatred is all your OP does. It seeks not remedy only hate and fear. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #37
Dismantle our system of racism and white supremacy, which includes discussion of white supremacy. gollygee Jul 2015 #43
Dismantle is a bullshit proposition without any defined meaning. Dismantle how? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #47
So you don't think there have been a number of cases of violent crimes by white people gollygee Jul 2015 #49
I think all racially motivated crimes should be dealt with regardless of who is perpetrating them. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #69
Again, you're mischaracterizing what I'm saying gollygee Jul 2015 #78
Again, you're talking out both sides of your face. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #88
It's fixated on white American men who feel a sense of superiority and need to feel power. gollygee Jul 2015 #93
And yet, it's fixated on a very strange place. Igel Jul 2015 #190
It's fixated on crime specifically that comes from a place of a feeling of superiority and a need for power gollygee Jul 2015 #210
I agree. Nt darkangel218 Jul 2015 #17
Actually, this does not detract from the OP, but technically, Encinias who arrested JDPriestly Jul 2015 #166
There is a minor inaccuracy in this story. Please see my post #166. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #167
I'd wager the badge on his shirt was more of a factor than the skin under anybody's shirt. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #179
Much as it was during the McKinney pool party last month. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #208
I'm not dismissing the existence of racism. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #212
Do white males kill at a higher rate than other races? hack89 Jul 2015 #6
This is discussing mass killings done for a particular reason gollygee Jul 2015 #12
Your OP discriminates , and like another poster said, fixates only on one race ( and I might add, darkangel218 Jul 2015 #20
And nationality, and use of a weapon gollygee Jul 2015 #22
Go read your link again - one of the victims was a lion hack89 Jul 2015 #23
+1 darkangel218 Jul 2015 #26
You're right - it's about killings for a specific reason whether they're mass killings or not gollygee Jul 2015 #29
So how do white men differ from other races when it comes to killing? Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #33
This isn't about all killings by white men gollygee Jul 2015 #36
It's racist sludge pipoman Jul 2015 #55
Only idiots don't know that this is the reason for most crime pipoman Jul 2015 #62
No, it most certainly is NOT. Most of the examples in the article are single-victim killings. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #155
See post #29. gollygee Jul 2015 #157
And that's a subject worthy of proper scientific investigation. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #161
No TeddyR Jul 2015 #24
No. Not even close. But that's not the important thing (for some reason????). nt Romulox Jul 2015 #72
That's an interesting question, innit? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #185
George Bush et al reinstated torture, Abu Graib, water boarding and the use of Lodestar Jul 2015 #32
So based on your thesis what should we do? el_bryanto Jul 2015 #39
We created a society that includes white supremacy and white male supremacy gollygee Jul 2015 #46
Ah - so by being aware of the problem, we've done our part? nt el_bryanto Jul 2015 #56
Recognizing racism and privilege and discussing it is a big part of the answer gollygee Jul 2015 #61
No, it's divisive racist tripe pipoman Jul 2015 #66
You seeing it that way says much more about you than this thread. n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #81
Your insistence that a word means something it has never meant pipoman Jul 2015 #102
That really is the headline missing daily from the M$M and we all know why. Rex Jul 2015 #44
Yes, agreed. White privilege also exists in the entirely white man owned mass media. It is not surprising the Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #51
That's it right there. Rex Jul 2015 #67
These are sad but great Gothmog Jul 2015 #53
These and millions of unknowns are why I always carry. ileus Jul 2015 #59
'Guns Don't kill, White Men Do' HFRN Jul 2015 #68
Hey! Another race-baiting post from a wealthy white woman! nt Romulox Jul 2015 #71
That is not true, the OP makes an excellent point, just not a complete one. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #73
White men aren't even *close* to the most violent demographic in America. Truth isn't the point. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #75
Truth is always the point. White men, with guns. Too many white men with guns and no brains, but lots of anger, is my point. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #77
No. Look at the crime statistics... nt Romulox Jul 2015 #94
Then look up the stats, if truth is so important to you. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #163
Stats are racist and only racists cite stats. If we're ever going to have social justice we need Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #182
*snerk* Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #189
Don't take it personal. He has Democracy on ignore. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #198
All we really need is just one nuclear unicorn. Rex Jul 2015 #195
I have no idea what it is you're trying to say. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #197
LOL it is a joke. Rex Jul 2015 #201
Oops! My apologies for being defensive. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #202
NP, sorry for coming off that way. Was just imagining this beast made of a rare metal and Rex Jul 2015 #203
The first time I met the man who would become my husband Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #205
Ha no way your story is much better! I like it! Rex Jul 2015 #206
I'm afraid I've been the volatile one in the past. He's never even raised his voice to me. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #209
Sounds wonderful, I am glad for the both of you. I think I've seen you type Lover Boy before. Rex Jul 2015 #218
Don't forget gender hate hustling... pipoman Jul 2015 #79
Actually, she also REALLY would like to downplay her own *class based privilege*. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #84
I am very aware of my class based privilege gollygee Jul 2015 #90
You need to deal with your OWN privilege for a second, before castigating others. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #92
I have been dealing with my own privilege gollygee Jul 2015 #95
OK. But maybe you, as a well-to-do white woman, need to ask why you feel so free to critique Romulox Jul 2015 #98
I'm critiquing society, not anyone's behavior gollygee Jul 2015 #103
Right. You just *happened* to forget your own White Wealthy Female privilege. Just plumb *forgot*. Romulox Jul 2015 #106
I never forget my privilege. And I have critiqued wealth privilege. n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #108
Link??? Romulox Jul 2015 #112
I'm not going to do a search for you. gollygee Jul 2015 #116
LOL. I know, I know. You meant to post such a thread, but just forgot. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #127
I volunteer with an organization gollygee Jul 2015 #129
Oh. I guess that gives you the right to downplay your own privilege. Still not seeing any links, Romulox Jul 2015 #136
I'm not giving you any links gollygee Jul 2015 #144
You've never authored such a thread. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #146
Pow! melman Jul 2015 #174
I remembered one gollygee Jul 2015 #177
Society didn't run people down with a car -- a person did that. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #183
Society created the sense of superiority and need to feel powerful. n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #184
Society is an abstraction. People are tangibles. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #196
Racism is built into every system and structure in our society gollygee Jul 2015 #214
Then our society is absolutely mundane in the scope of the entire world. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #220
Re your first paragrah gollygee Jul 2015 #224
The 'need to feel powerful' extends from one side of the aisle to the other... beevul Jul 2015 #207
I like to pretend I have absolute knowledge of other people's genuflecting too. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #211
That is one hell of a thing to read out of a person who is exploiting attacks on gay men with knives Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #242
"Only poor people of color should discuss racism . . .!" gollygee Jul 2015 #83
I just love how you lecture that economic inequality doesn't matter (from your home in Ann Arbor!). Romulox Jul 2015 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Jul 2015 #91
LOL. Washtenaw County, then. Either way, it's an awkward perch from which to lecture the poor. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Jul 2015 #97
Grand Rapids is the wealthiest part of the state. Even worse! nt Romulox Jul 2015 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Jul 2015 #105
Kent County is no better. The point stands, you like to castigate those poorer than yourself. Romulox Jul 2015 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Jul 2015 #113
Jury results merrily Jul 2015 #131
Lame alert from a poster who'd rather move the spotlight to someone else. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #133
I didn't alert on that. gollygee Jul 2015 #142
I'm not a gun person, myself. I'm an anti-class privilege person. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #145
I deleted all my posts about where I live gollygee Jul 2015 #121
You are uncomfortable with attempts to underscore *your own privilege*. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #128
No, I'm very up front about me having wealth privilege. gollygee Jul 2015 #130
Link???? nt Romulox Jul 2015 #134
Do a search if you really care gollygee Jul 2015 #139
Gimme a break and be honest: you've never posted such a thread. Romulox Jul 2015 #141
I don't know if I've posted a whole thread about wealth privilege gollygee Jul 2015 #147
I do. You haven't. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #148
And you're wrong. This is a conversation I very much would like to have here. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #149
Yeah, it looks like you want to have this conversation. /sarcasm gollygee Jul 2015 #150
I brought it up, didn't I? nt Romulox Jul 2015 #154
And "you trying to find out where I live thing" is silly. We only know about you what you yourself Romulox Jul 2015 #143
posted in wrong place gollygee Jul 2015 #137
See I believe the test here is.... pipoman Jul 2015 #74
Wow, this thread sure makes people uncomfortable. gollygee Jul 2015 #117
kicking DESPITE all the hijacking going on. . .n/t annabanana Jul 2015 #120
In some people, bigotry inspires that discomfort. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #186
It certainly seems to have put at least one DUer very much on the defensive. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #215
Sometimes I think testosterone is the most dangerous Ilsa Jul 2015 #138
He might be suffering from the "small penis syndrome." nt ladjf Jul 2015 #151
"All attributed motivations are approximate." Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #152
250 years heaven05 Jul 2015 #153
Go to most any right wing "political" site and read the threats against Y.O.U Stinky The Clown Jul 2015 #187
July 29th, 2015 Initech Jul 2015 #188
I weep for my race. Why are white people so horrible? Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #192
Ooh, those terrible white guys. They killed almost as many people as black guys did. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #199
At least the white race is coming around to accepting they are a race, then maybe we can move on Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #200
Let's talk about male privilege and those who feel they're entitled to tell rape survivors Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #225
kick Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #222
White American males plagued by feelings of inferiority... Orsino Jul 2015 #223
I bet you wrote that without the slightest hint of self-awareness. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #226
I would bet you don't know me well enough for certainty. n/t Orsino Aug 2015 #265
wow Kali Jul 2015 #227
lots of butthurt whitesplaining in this thread mwrguy Jul 2015 #228
Maybe you can blacksplain why black guys are three times more likely to kill somebody? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #233
They are more likely to be POOR. The less money you have the more likely you are to do your own bravenak Jul 2015 #247
I think poverty is part of the explanation, but not all of it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #250
Yep.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #251
No kidding. Suddenly discovering that "white" is also a race, the dominate race, which is the race that needs to explain everything is causing mass confusion. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #240
Indeed, many members of the white race are truly horrible. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #246
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #229
White American man isn't any more responsible for the actions of other white american man, Kurska Jul 2015 #232
Look how mad!! The very same folks that castigated black protesters(racistly) are now calling YOU racist. bravenak Jul 2015 #234
Hey straight people. If you are going to use language like this about anti gay attacks by straights Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #236
It is very much not a gun thread. It got hijacked. gollygee Jul 2015 #245
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
1. The common factor in these instances is HATE, intolerance, and prejudice.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:14 AM
Jul 2015

There are hatwrs out there of all races, both male and female.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. The other common factor in the vast majority, almost every one of these and thousands more, is The Gun.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:16 AM
Jul 2015
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
3. Guns don't kill by themselves, people shoot them.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:17 AM
Jul 2015

Sick people commit murders. Guns alone are innanimate objects.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
10. Just like carrying a knife or any other weapon.. I suppose the intolerant or prejudiced would feel e
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:24 AM
Jul 2015

Guns alone, are not to blame. Owning a gun could save your life, if you are ever attacked by one of those sickos.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. The GUN turns the hate, prejudice, mental instability, etc., into murder and maiming. The GUN makes it all so easy...and final.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:26 AM
Jul 2015

Anyone not recognizing the obvious that The Gun is a major part of the problem is in purposeful denial.

The OP "list" includes only a small sampling of the slaughter, vast, vast majority by one weapon designed to be a weapon straight out from the box.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
16. Guns make it also easy to defend yourself, especially as a woman
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:29 AM
Jul 2015

When you don't have the strength to physically fight attackers. Why don't you take that in consideration?? Go look up how many survived rape attacks or home invasions because they were carrying.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
25. It's illogical that I appreciate the fact that I can protect myself???
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:35 AM
Jul 2015

Holy cow!!! And go throw your "nra" meme crap to someone else, your post is disgusting!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
30. Another typical NRA lover response..."you hate women, because you do not think women should defend
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:38 AM
Jul 2015

themselves??" is what is vile and disgusting, but that is how the NRA rolls. With a car load of GUNS.

We still see you.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
35. As a rape victim/survivor, I appreciate the fact that I can protect myself.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jul 2015

You accusing me of being an NRA lover should get your post hidden, if not banned.

Your posts are disgusting.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
50. Walk like an NRA lover, quack like an NRA lover, advance NRA talking points exactly like this one.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:01 AM
Jul 2015

Need I remind you, I see you....I see all the lame NRA strawmen tricks and distortions.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
132. That is seriously some weak shit.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jul 2015

Make an argument or don;t respond. Saying that shit to a rape survivor is pretty fucking low.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
158. Careful: he'll put you on ignore at the slightest hint of disagreement.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jul 2015

Then brag about it in the Gungeon...

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
175. NRA posters are often not truthful about who they are, but did you read about the poster suggesting
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jul 2015

the solution is MORE GUNS?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
254. First you admit you are! It is not nice to fabricate lies about any poster, and then attempt to, unsuccessfully,
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 09:58 AM
Aug 2015

hide a post, using those lies. As clever as a hollow metal tube.

Not even a nice try, gun lovers! Must be frustrating, all that effort and time wasted in fabrication, for no result....I get it!

Try again?

The solution to too many guns is ......more guns!

How much of an obvious lie is that simple minded thinking?

Thanks for the opportunity to kick a gun thread in GD...lots more folks see you and the single "solution" offered by gun nuts everywhere now!

Truly, thanks!

Keep on commenting? Please!

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
258. I didn't try to hide anything. I never hide anyone.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 10:54 AM
Aug 2015

Yeah, good luck with your plan there to alienate everyone and somehow convince them. That'll work! Just keep trying!

And until the drinkers take responsibility for drunk drivers and alcoholism, and liver disease, I'm not much inclined to take responsibility for some mass murderer.

Good luck with your crusade.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
263. Wanted to add.. you're right, they are NOT equivalent.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:00 AM
Aug 2015

Alcohol is responsible for more than TWICE the deaths as firearms.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
194. NRA supporters, I should add, also often distort the words of others in order to pretend they
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jul 2015

themselves are not supporters, but true, blue liberals. Just like you at DU! They insist!

Distortion is part of the gun lover's arsenal as much as the precious gun, but when they do these childish distortions in the typical passive-aggressive voice they just come off looking like asses because folks can read.

By distorting and imparting false allegations of imputed intent they then go off on a tangential mission of trying to convince others of their lies....very transparent.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
260. I'm certainly not like you...
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 10:56 AM
Aug 2015

But I am NOT an NRA supporter.

Of course, you add your own interpretation on the words and actions of others.

And I do the same. For example, I think this isn't really about lives to you and many others. If it were, you'd be addressing issues that take many, many more lives than firearms.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
173. Thanks for repeating for malicious purpose a false accusation from a NRA gun lover poster, new poser.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jul 2015

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
181. If its a false accusation feel free to prove it by stating women have the right to defend themselves
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jul 2015

as they best see fit.

sarisataka

(18,835 posts)
191. #itsallabouttheguns
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jul 2015

Who cares about victims?

There is a branch of gun control proponents who are as radical and evil as any three-letter pro gun organizations. They have given up any concern for victims except as pawns to advance an agenda.

If a person is not shot they are irrelevant. Like the woman stabbed to death by her ex we were told "she should have made better dating choices. Now a rape survivors who arms themselves are "NRA lovers"

Thankfully this group of gun control proponents is a minority

ileus

(15,396 posts)
65. advocating protecting yourself with a gun is mean and hateful...and it's hurts feelings.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:20 AM
Jul 2015



As a progressive you're supposed to accept attacks on your person instead of using a mean old gun to defend yourself.




Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #162)

Response to Paka (Reply #159)

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
76. He's telling a rape survivor that her only motive for carrying is to support the NRA.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jul 2015

Of course, he won't ever affirm her right to defend herself and all the while grouse about being called out for that fact that that is exactly what he believes. His inability to cope with the shape of the real world does not impart a duty to be raped on others.

I repent of nothing I said and I'd say it again because he'll be saying it again as well.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
135. I can read.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:11 AM
Jul 2015

You can justify to yourself calling people names all you like, but it doesn't make you look any less a twelve-year-old to everyone else.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
180. How justified is it to tell a survivor the only reason they carry is to be a propaganda tool?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jul 2015

You don't think that is more diminishing than calling some ass an ass? It's dismissive and belittling and tells her that her safety has no value. In fact, he has made posts declaring, "We're coming for your guns because your guns keep coming for us" so if she or any other woman wants to protect themselves -- well -- they should just learn to relax and hope its over quickly.

To hell with that. To hell with him and any other ass that would say that.

Never without a fight.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
216. Doesn't read like the opinion of a 12 year old to me, not that he needs me to defend him.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jul 2015

I agree with every word he said and find the irony of you calling him a 12 year old for rightly calling someone an ass indescribably delicious.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
256. I'm not complaining, just for the purpose of clarifying --
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 10:14 AM
Aug 2015

"him/he" should be "her/she" and I genuinely appreciate your contribution.

Response to darkangel218 (Reply #16)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
18. I'm worried this thread is going to get locked as a gun thread when it specifically says "weapon"
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:31 AM
Jul 2015

and not "gun" and includes examples of use of other weapons.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
238. It's a bigoted and exploitative thread you have running here, you and Fred.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jul 2015

You speak of LGBT people attacked by straight knives and use that to speak of your gun issues? Fuck you both. How dare you drag those victims out then use then as your fodder?

JustAnotherGen

(31,961 posts)
31. And something else . . . n/t - but this isn't a gun control thread
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jul 2015

This is an angry white male in America who hurts people thread.

Including NON angry white males in America.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
54. Yes!
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:09 AM
Jul 2015

Well adjusted white men are also victims of white men with a sense of superiority who feel a need to be powerful. Very good point. We are all victims of this group of people, though I think the less of society's power we have, the more likely we are to be their victims.

But our society created them. This article is from a sociology website. There's no way to discuss sociology and white supremacy and white male supremacy without discussing things like race and gender.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
160. I totally agree with your OP and suggest that it should contain one more example - the killing of
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jul 2015

women because some man feels powerless.

Feeling powerless engenders hate and when it looks hopeless the hate intensifies. This may be why we are seeing so much more of this type of incidents. Thank you.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
193. But that would dilute the whole white guy schtick.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jul 2015

Unless you limited it to white guys who kill women because they feel powerless.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
38. Being in possession of a gun makes it easy
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:48 AM
Jul 2015

for things to get out of hand if someone is predisposed to do stupid shit.

Hot heads should not be in possession of a gun at any time. IMO

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
57. If we banned guns but still had a white male supremacist society
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:11 AM
Jul 2015

We'd still have this kind of violence. White men who have this sense of superiority and want to feel powerful would still get violent. They'd just choose different means.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
60. but it would make it less deadly
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jul 2015

or it would give the black people a better chance of fighting them off, you have to agree

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
80. Precisely....320 million designed to kill GUNS is a huge problem, especially for minorities and those guns have to go....first and now.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jul 2015

madokie

(51,076 posts)
87. Yes, very true
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:37 AM
Jul 2015

My reading of the second amendment doesn't lead me to interpret it as it is interpreted.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
99. Keep in mind that the 2A - like the rest of the "Bill of Rights" are ALL about guaranteeing
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jul 2015

the rights of the INDIVIDUAL.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
115. Thank you for that cogent, yet vacuous response.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jul 2015

Give it a little thought; if we could make the NRA disappear TODAY, the fundamental right of a populace to have the ability to protect themselves - like the right to be safe in the homes, would still remain.

Is that a problem for you?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
118. The NRA is evil, that is not a problem for some folks at all, is it?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jul 2015

P.S. A comment is not "vacuous" when it is intended to be.

That kind of comment would be better defined as an "insult".

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
123. If you feel better labeling the NRA as evil - go for it. I'm not a member. But it's obvious
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jul 2015

that the NRA is merely your scapegoat. As I said earlier, it is the HUMAN problem (and the resulting evil) which we need to address.

But that sounds like hard work doesn't it (you know, parenting, and ethics and all that)? It much easier to make noise about the NRA than work on the actual problem...

madokie

(51,076 posts)
114. No I don't believe that for a second
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jul 2015

I don't believe it was put there for he same reason as you do, as I stated.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
124. Your belief is not a requirement to make it a fact. Just take a few minutes and
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jul 2015

Google "bill of rights", and educate yourself.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
168. Well, then you are aware then that the BOR is not about collective (even corporate) rights, they
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jul 2015

are about the rights of the individual.

My two cents - fwiw...

Have a great weekend!

whathehell

(29,097 posts)
140. That's the number of people in the US, not the number of guns -- Only about a third of us own guns
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jul 2015

Where are the stats for your numbers?

I know you live in the UK, but you need to stop misstating facts.

I'm sorry to sound so exasperated, but you posted the same false figure

yesterday, and are doing it again, even after being corrected.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/11-essential-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-america/


.









jonno99

(2,620 posts)
58. In your response you could substitute the word "gun" with "car", "motorcycle", or "knife";
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jul 2015

stupid, mean, people do stupid mean, shit.

Like Bernie said, 99.9 percent of gun owners present no trouble.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
63. I guess so
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:15 AM
Jul 2015

having spent 15 months having to live with a gun by my side has me a tad jaded, I suppose

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
70. Only one is designed as a weapon right from the factory and is preferred by armies....can you guess which one?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jul 2015

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
86. Ok, but if 99.9% of gun owners present no problem, then perhaps we should
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:36 AM
Jul 2015

focus on the trouble-makers - not the inanimate objects. Because the fact is that inanimate objects - weapons of any stripe - are not going to disappear.

Blaming guns is just lazy - and ineffective (but makes for good political theater). The hard work is trying to get humans to act "civilized". Who wants to tackle that one though?

-none

(1,884 posts)
109. The difference is that the gun's primary purpose and design, is to kill.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:45 AM
Jul 2015

All those other devices have primary uses that do not involve killing.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
119. Well of course. But what is the primary purpose of the rapist? For many the only
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jul 2015

immediately reasonable response is to fight back with a WEAPON that provides equal standing. The diminutive woman has very few options in a rape or home invasion situation. A gun make an effective equalizer.

Which is also why cops - and the presidents bodyguards - carry them...

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
221. So, what is the point about "designed to kill?" Not all guns are, but conceding the argument...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jul 2015

for a moment, I don't see your point. Please note that many contests in the Olympics are based on pre-firearms weapons. The shot (put), discus, javelin come to mind.
What is the relevancy of your observation?

-none

(1,884 posts)
231. Deflection from the fact that too many guns in hands of too many people that should not have them.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jul 2015

Not too many people are killed or injured with shot puts or javelins every year in this country. Guns, on the other hand are a very different story. Even people with a history of mental problems and being prone to violence, can easily and legally buy guns.
You don't see a problem here?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
235. Deflection? My goodness, I didn't broach the pointless subject of "designed to kill."
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jul 2015

I generally carry a locking blade Buck Knife, for utility and SD; a poor substitute for a gun, but with definite killing capability. At home I have a quite powerful revolver for home defense; it is likely to kill if fired into the body trunk of an attacker, though my intent would be to stop the attack. No, I don't see a problem with owning weapons with this capability.

Those who are adjudicated mentally incompetent and/or convicted of violent crimes should not be allowed to have firearms.

The "designed to kill" assertion remains afloat in the ether, except for my answer.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
239. Gun lovers never see a problem with guns. More and more guns are the solution to all the many guns.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:12 PM
Jul 2015

The logic is childish from those folks who know what a weapon designed to kill right out of the box can do to human flesh and are only too happy to boast of their arsenal and the many wonderful features of The Gun.

Sometimes they even post gun porn when their juvenile "arguments" are rightly ignored...wait for it.

 

Positrons

(53 posts)
241. Is one more or less dead if...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:32 PM
Jul 2015

... They die from bullets as opposed to cars, knives or tire irons?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
237. Dude, of the three expamples cited, one is a car, one is a knife and another a gun.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jul 2015

If you Straight people want to exploit the violence you do against gay people in this manner at least speak of the victims and do not try to make their deaths about you. Have some respect for the dead.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
5. No other races or genders kill anyone ever
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:18 AM
Jul 2015

Or if they do I guess it must be justified or something.

Racist bilge

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
9. This is discussing mass killings done for a particular reason
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:23 AM
Jul 2015

namely, sense of superiority and desire to feel powerful.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
14. No, it's 100% racist. It fixates on race and sees nothing but race. It seeks no remedy. It's only
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:26 AM
Jul 2015

motive is racist agitprop.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
15. It names a few things, not just race
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:28 AM
Jul 2015

White, male, American, with a weapon, and with a sense of superiority.

But it does note the similarities between these killings, and race is one of the similarities.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
21. I would hazard a guess that all murderers have a sense of superiority. But the racist agitprop
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:32 AM
Jul 2015

you are defending fixates on race as the determining factor. The message is loud and clear, "Hate and fear white American males because they will kill us all."

This racist bullshit is worthy of Donald Trump.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
27. LOL
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:37 AM
Jul 2015

I knew some people at DU who think racism goes both from groups who hold power to those who don't, and from groups who don't hold power to those who do, would mistakenly think this was racist, however that does not make it so, and your belief that it is does not concern me.

This is specifically about how our white supremacist society, which holds men and white people as superior and more powerful, contributes to a particular kind of violence. There is no way to discuss white supremacy without discussing race, and I feel like people's insistence to ignore race is an attempt to shut down discussion of white supremacy.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
34. So is it your position that a minority
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:43 AM
Jul 2015

Cannot act in a racist manner? If a black person attacks a white person (or any other race) simply because they are white, isn't that racism? Simply trying to understand your position.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
41. Racism is racial bigotry + societal power
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jul 2015

So people of color can be bigoted, and can kill for that reason, but they don't have societal power.

If you're looking for a job, almost every person in a position to hire will be white. That's just a statistical fact. So if you are interviewed by one African American who thinks African Americans make better employees and doesn't hire you for that reason, you are a victim of bigotry, however every or almost every other person you interview with will be white and almost certainly won't share that opinion. However, if you are a person of color, it's reversed. Every or almost every person who hires you will be white. You might get interviewed by a person of color, people of color might do the sorting of resumes at some places, but in most workplaces the people in a position to hire employees are white. A person of color's problem in job hunting isn't limited to going one job interview. It's every or almost every job interview. That's one example of the difference between bigotry and racism.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
45. Okay, so -- according to you -- white people are the worst thing ever. Now what?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jul 2015

You got a plan or is it just about the hate?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
48. Huh?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:59 AM
Jul 2015

White people are not worse than anyone else. White people have more societal power and therefore can do more harm in some areas. Why do you try to present me as saying something I'm not saying?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
82. Please tell me what element of white societal dominance facilitated stabbings and vehicular
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:35 AM
Jul 2015

homicide? Did the prosecutors go, "Oh, wait, he's white. Give him back his car keys and send him on his way"?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
85. The feeling of superiority and a need to feel powerful
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:36 AM
Jul 2015

as said in the OP.

And the criminal justice system is indeed racially biased. Are you unaware of that?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
100. Which has absolutely nothing to do with race. Superiority over the victim motivates all crimes.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jul 2015

It's why robbers rob and rapists rape. It's what motivates domestic violence, despotism, war, political corruption, greed and every other human sin. Find me 1 example of human depravity that isn't motivated by the perpetrator feeling superior to the victim but then let's walk through all human societies through all human history.

There is 1 singular source for all human misery --

humanity (or rather, the lack of it)

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
126. why don't you take a quick checky there of who are killing all the fucking elephants
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:05 AM
Jul 2015

(Hint- not middle age white dentists)

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
243. I looked up the term "racism" in several dictionaries and I did not find it
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jul 2015

defined the way you defined it. Is that just your personal definition or do you have a source for that? Just curious.

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

Please note that the term "societal power" is not mentioned in that definition.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
244. It is the definition sociologists use
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jul 2015

That racism is bigotry that upholds our society's racial hierarchy.

http://sociology.about.com/od/R_Index/fl/Racism.htm

Also, dictionaries are written mainly by white people and are not immune from bias.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
257. A sociologist is someone who gets paid to tell us all what normal people think and then
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 10:19 AM
Aug 2015

skewing it in favor of whoever is writing their paycheck because normal people don't pay for this sort of crap.

Which is really just another way of saying, "A biased waste of money and effort."

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
37. Whatever. Ginning up racist hatred is all your OP does. It seeks not remedy only hate and fear.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jul 2015

Spare me the "power dynamic" bullshit. When a group can be singled out for no reason other than the color of their skin then it is safe to say any presumption they are privileged has pretty much evaporated. You're hate-peddling, hate-mongering and nothing more. You don't want a solution, you want hate.

Think I'm over the line? Go ahead, show me the remedy for this white people problem you're so deeply concerned about. What are we supposed to do with all these white people who -- by sole virtue of their pigmentation -- are going to kil us all because apparently they're all mass killers just waiting to spring upon the innocent.

Make fewer white people? March all the white people into classes to be properly educated? What are we supposed to do about this white scourge?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
43. Dismantle our system of racism and white supremacy, which includes discussion of white supremacy.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:54 AM
Jul 2015

I never said anything about killing all white people, or that all white people are mass killers. Hyperbole.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
47. Dismantle is a bullshit proposition without any defined meaning. Dismantle how?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:58 AM
Jul 2015
I never said anything about ... all white people are mass killers. Hyperbole.

Bullshit. That's all the OP is -- white people, they gonna kill us all. Don't look for anything else, don't bother suspecting anyone else, you need look no further than their skin.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
49. So you don't think there have been a number of cases of violent crimes by white people
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:01 AM
Jul 2015

for racially motivated reasons lately? Or you just don't think we should mention that these people doing these racially motivated crimes are white?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
69. I think all racially motivated crimes should be dealt with regardless of who is perpetrating them.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:27 AM
Jul 2015

But these race-baiting double-speak agitprop pieces are pretty self evident.

"Have you ever noticed what a burden white people are to our society."

"Dude, that is so racist."

"It's not racist. I'm not saying white people are the sole problem."

"So you admit non-whites can be racist."

"Oh no. They can't. Racism can only be exhibited by those on the higher side of the societal power dynamic."

"So only white people can be racist?"

"Exactly."

derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp

See also: "I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim" or "All Mexicans aren't illegal but all illegals are Mexican." or "Not all blacks are petty criminals but--" Well, you get the idea. Or do you?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
78. Again, you're mischaracterizing what I'm saying
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jul 2015

White supremacy is a burden, not white people.

Terrorist, illegal, and petty criminal aren't a sociological term the way "racism" is, and I don't use the word racist as a noun (or illegal for that matter) - it's an adjective.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
88. Again, you're talking out both sides of your face.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jul 2015

Your OP fixates on only one thing -- white American males. It looks only skin deep just like every other journey into racist diatribe.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
93. It's fixated on white American men who feel a sense of superiority and need to feel power.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:40 AM
Jul 2015

It's very clear about that.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
210. It's fixated on crime specifically that comes from a place of a feeling of superiority and a need for power
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jul 2015

not crime in general, which is concentrated more among the poor - and because of the history of slavery and racism in our country, more people of color are poor.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
166. Actually, this does not detract from the OP, but technically, Encinias who arrested
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jul 2015

Sandra Bland and may have beaten and abused her, was Hispanic.

Brian Encinia

Brian Encinia was 30 years old at the time of the incident, and is listed in Texas voter records as Hispanic.[12] He graduated from Texas A&M University in 2008 with a degree in agricultural leadership and development. From 2008 to 2014, he held a position with Blue Bell Creameries as an ingredient-processing supervisor. Prior to his employment as a state trooper in 2014, he served as a volunteer firefighter with the Brenham fire department for four years.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sandra_Bland

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
208. Much as it was during the McKinney pool party last month.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jul 2015

Much as it was during the McKinney, Texas pool party last month.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
212. I'm not dismissing the existence of racism.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jul 2015

I think racism is a symptom, not the disease. Get rid of racism and people will still find a reason to feel superior. Get rid of the impulse towards superiority and racism, sexism and the rest goes with it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
6. Do white males kill at a higher rate than other races?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:18 AM
Jul 2015

Somehow I doubt it - men and violence are linked regardless of race.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
12. This is discussing mass killings done for a particular reason
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:24 AM
Jul 2015

namely, sense of superiority and desire to feel powerful.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
20. Your OP discriminates , and like another poster said, fixates only on one race ( and I might add,
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:32 AM
Jul 2015

gender).

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
22. And nationality, and use of a weapon
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:33 AM
Jul 2015

because it's talking about killings done for a specific reason, and noting similarities between those killings.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. Go read your link again - one of the victims was a lion
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:34 AM
Jul 2015

Most of the incidents are not mass killings. It is about white men killing.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
29. You're right - it's about killings for a specific reason whether they're mass killings or not
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:38 AM
Jul 2015

Thanks for the correction.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
36. This isn't about all killings by white men
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:46 AM
Jul 2015

it's about killings that are related to white supremacy, or in this case male white supremacy. They're all about men who killed due to a feeling of superiority and in order to feel powerful. I'm sure there are also cases of white men who kill for other reasons, and cases of women of all races, and men of color, who kill for a variety of reasons.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
55. It's racist sludge
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:09 AM
Jul 2015

And your (and other racists) attempts to pretend only white men can be racist is revisionist stupidity made up by morons.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
62. Only idiots don't know that this is the reason for most crime
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:15 AM
Jul 2015

It hasn't shit to do with race. There is a single race responsible for a statistically disproportionate number of killings with weapons and it isn't Caucasian...there is a aingle race responsible for a statistically disproportionate number of rapes (a crime of superiority) and it isn't Caucasian either.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
155. No, it most certainly is NOT. Most of the examples in the article are single-victim killings.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jul 2015

A large number aren't murders at all (they're assaults).

So...do white males commit murder at a higher rate than other demographic groups? I'll save you some time: no, they do not. Males in general commit murder at a (vastly) higher rate than females, but white males are not more inclined to do so than other racial groups.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
157. See post #29.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:41 AM
Jul 2015

You're right, it's not just mass killings.

But it's about killings, or criminal violence anyway, movitivated by a sense of superiority and a need to feel power. (Both.)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
161. And that's a subject worthy of proper scientific investigation.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jul 2015

But a mere list of anecdotes with speculation about motivation isn't useful, save perhaps as a heads-up that actual investigation of that sort exists. That article comes across as nothing more than snarky, somewhat racist flamebait.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
185. That's an interesting question, innit?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jul 2015

It seems that this would be an obvious question in response to the OP, but calling anyone other than white men bloodthirsty savages is bad.

We're not really against bigotry, per se. We just have a doctrine about which kinds are obligatory.

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
32. George Bush et al reinstated torture, Abu Graib, water boarding and the use of
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:41 AM
Jul 2015

flesh-melting white phosphorous chemical weapons against the population of Fallujah.

He also blew up frogs for fun when he was a child according to a childhood friend (interveiwed for an article in the NYT).

We've had so many red flags and have allowed them to somehow become the new normal....
acceptable.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
39. So based on your thesis what should we do?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:51 AM
Jul 2015

Or the thesis you forward anyway. What should society do to defend itself against White American Males who want to feel powerful?

Bryant

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
46. We created a society that includes white supremacy and white male supremacy
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:58 AM
Jul 2015

and I believe we can create a society that is more equal, where nobody feels superior or needs to feel more powerful than others. The first step is discussing white supremacy (and in this case white male supremacy) so it isn't hidden. I feel like problems like racism are harmed by light, but get stronger in the dark. I liked this article because it shines a light on white supremacy as a reason behind some killings in the US.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
61. Recognizing racism and privilege and discussing it is a big part of the answer
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jul 2015

At least according to everything I've read or heard. Here's a list I found online and you'll see it comes up often. Every list I've seen includes discussion as a major part of the answer.

http://mic.com/articles/97900/10-simple-rules-for-being-a-non-racist-white-person

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
66. No, it's divisive racist tripe
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jul 2015

(Oh, and we get that you and yours are attempting to change the meaning of the word racist so as to only include whites...everyone knows this is just more actual, defined racism) It isn't helpful, nor will it ever be.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
102. Your insistence that a word means something it has never meant
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jul 2015

Tells me all I need to know about you....oh, and also your posting this in the first place....

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
44. That really is the headline missing daily from the M$M and we all know why.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jul 2015

White American male runs things and doesn't like to be reminded when white American male does horrible things. Ever.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
51. Yes, agreed. White privilege also exists in the entirely white man owned mass media. It is not surprising the
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:03 AM
Jul 2015

same privilege extends into everything in a white, male dominated culture.

Break up the mass media, they are too big to tell the truth.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
68. 'Guns Don't kill, White Men Do'
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jul 2015

so that's your message?

guns would be peaceful, in the hands of any other race?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
77. Truth is always the point. White men, with guns. Too many white men with guns and no brains, but lots of anger, is my point.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jul 2015
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
163. Then look up the stats, if truth is so important to you.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:49 AM
Jul 2015

Then look for help in removing your foot from your mouth.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
182. Stats are racist and only racists cite stats. If we're ever going to have social justice we need
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jul 2015

selective anecdotes and verbiage that changes definitions based exclusively on the skin color of the subject at hand.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
189. *snerk*
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jul 2015

Not that ol' Freddie saw my suggestion: he put me on Ignore for the heinous crime of presuming to disagree with him (civilly, I should point out). Pure comedy gold.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
197. I have no idea what it is you're trying to say.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jul 2015

It sounds like you're accusing me of having sock puppets but I'm honestly not sure.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
202. Oops! My apologies for being defensive.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jul 2015

If I were to tell you how I gained the moniker you'd probably nod your head and say, "Yeah. He pegged her dead to rights."

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
203. NP, sorry for coming off that way. Was just imagining this beast made of a rare metal and
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jul 2015

crystals maybe? Intake ports and of course glowing gold eyes. A dark metallic horn made from uniranium and well nigh unbreakable. Hell, that would make a really kick ass comic book imo.

Tell me, how did you get that name?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
205. The first time I met the man who would become my husband
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jul 2015

I was in one of my usual haunts, a coffee house. We sort of spied each other and the opposites attracted. He had a military haircut and way of carrying himself because he was in the Army. I was wearing sandals and a sun dress and had braids in my hair. I chided him about being a soldier, he chided me about being a hippie chick.

He got up and went to the restroom. No sooner did he leave then some guy who had been sitting behind me leaned over and told me I should just stop hanging out with that guy, it would be better if I just hung out with him and his friends (by which he really meant just him). I told him thanks but no thanks. He insisted that "that guy" was bad news. I asked if he knew him and he didn't. Basically it was a "You know how those people are. You should stick with your own kind" sales pitch. Then he put his hand on my hip to try and coax me away --

-- and I proceeded to flip my shit right there in the middle of the coffee house.

Lover Boy came out of the bathroom to see me climbing into other guy's face and cussing him for all he was worth. I think I jabbed the other guy in the face with my finger a couple of times but to be honest I don't remember because I was so furious. Lover Boy stepped up behind me and obviously everyone else was watching so dude left.

Things quieted down, and by "things" I mean "me." When I was regaining my composure Lover Boy said, "For a hippie chick you sure got a lot of fight in you. You're like some sort of nuclear unicorn."

And voila!


Was just imagining this beast made of a rare metal and crystals maybe? Intake ports and of course glowing gold eyes. A dark metallic horn made from uniranium and well nigh unbreakable. Hell, that would make a really kick ass comic book imo.

Sounds better than my story.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
206. Ha no way your story is much better! I like it!
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jul 2015

Thanks for sharing that, I think that story is awesome! I can just see you...literally standing on some caveman's shoulders (with you stooped over face to face) going 'nuclear' for trying to grope you! Poking him in the face saying something like, "if you EVER..." in a very loud and furious voice!

Opposites are usually the best relationships IMO. Can also be the most volatile.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
209. I'm afraid I've been the volatile one in the past. He's never even raised his voice to me.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jul 2015

I split us up for a while but I was instantly miserable. Why he ever took me back I'll never know but I adore him for it. As we've grown we've grown together. We have a good life out in the country, a home, lots of critters. Things are simple, pure. I smile with gratitude just thinking about how blessed I am.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
218. Sounds wonderful, I am glad for the both of you. I think I've seen you type Lover Boy before.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jul 2015

Best years of my life were spent (8 of them) with a firecracker of a girlfriend! Sadly she passed on from breast cancer. It's been over 15 years and I can still smell her and hear her voice in my head like it was yesterday morning. She was the only women on the planet that not only tried, but understood me so well that at times I questioned if I knew myself as well as she did.

Love the one you're with. Never is too long.



gollygee

(22,336 posts)
90. I am very aware of my class based privilege
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jul 2015

and I'd be happy to discuss class privilege in another thread if you'd like to open one. I personally feel like class privilege is a bigger issue than male privilege in many cases, at least for married heterosexual women like myself who gain additional privilege through our relationships with our husbands. I am very aware of it and I'd like to see that negative aspect of society changed as well, which is why I'm voting for Sanders.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
95. I have been dealing with my own privilege
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:40 AM
Jul 2015

including my white privilege, which is what made me post the article in the OP.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
98. OK. But maybe you, as a well-to-do white woman, need to ask why you feel so free to critique
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jul 2015

everyone else's behavior, without any spotlight whatever being put on your own. The answer is your own privilege.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
103. I'm critiquing society, not anyone's behavior
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jul 2015

except maybe those white men who feel a sense of superiority and commit violent acts because they want to feel powerful. I feel comfortable critiquing anyone who commits violent acts.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
106. Right. You just *happened* to forget your own White Wealthy Female privilege. Just plumb *forgot*.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:44 AM
Jul 2015

Because you've *never* posted an OP critiquing that.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
116. I'm not going to do a search for you.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:49 AM
Jul 2015

But when wealth privilege is discussed, I absolutely agree with its existence. I have wealth privilege now, but I didn't grow up with it, and I am very aware of it's existence.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
129. I volunteer with an organization
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jul 2015

that has been doing a great deal of anti-racism work, so I've been reading a lot of anti-racist material. I sometimes post stuff I see due to the training we've been doing. The organization's mission involves helping specifically people without wealth privilege, but either there isn't a lot of wealth privilege training out there, or our organization hasn't organized it.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
136. Oh. I guess that gives you the right to downplay your own privilege. Still not seeing any links,
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jul 2015

though.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
144. I'm not giving you any links
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jul 2015

You're being disingenuous.

Thanks for keeping the thread kicked anyway.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
177. I remembered one
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021900939

Never is a long time. I don't know what all I've posted about wealth inequality, but it is something I'm interested in. I'm not actively taking training and receiving frequent emails about it though, so I don't see a ton of articles about it that haven't already been posted on DU, as I do with anti-racsim articles.. Also, there are tons of people who post on DU about wealth privilege, but there are only a handful who post about race privilege.

It would be good for the group I volunteer with to take training on wealth privilege in addition to the anti-racism training we're doing, if it exists, and if it doesn't it should.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
183. Society didn't run people down with a car -- a person did that.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jul 2015

Society did not tell that person to do it. Society created the police who arrested that person, the jails that will hold him, the courts in which he will be tried and the prison where he will be warehoused.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
196. Society is an abstraction. People are tangibles.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jul 2015

Society isn't some beast that takes possession of people's minds. A person made a decision about how they as a person were going to treat other people. For all this vaunted power you assign to society I have somehow remained immune. Why is that?

Because I choose to be so.

Running people down with a car is a choice. Embracing our common humanity is a choice. Posting racist bilge is a choice. Reaching out to those in need is a choice.

You aren't confronting racism, you're excusing those who commit act of racism. You have taken away their personal culpability, their ability to act as free moral agents and are transferring it to "society" and then redefining society to be a group based on nothing more than a superficial characteristic, i.e. skin color and gender. Which is exactly what racists do which is why the OP is racist. You aren't ending racism, you're excusing it while indulging in it.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
214. Racism is built into every system and structure in our society
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jul 2015

It is indeed a societal thing, and is therefore not limited to people who fit the profile of "racists" such as skinheads, KKK members, people who commit hate crimes, etc. Racism is a bigger picture issue.

Trying to limit it to just people whom one would easily label racist is a way of keeping our society from critically looking at our systems and structures and reconstructing them in an anti-racist way. It keeps everything the same, save a few people.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
220. Then our society is absolutely mundane in the scope of the entire world.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jul 2015

Consider virtually every other nation is based on racial and ethnic divisions. When was the last time a non-ethnic German, Chinese, Brazilian, Mexican, etc etc etc president was elected into any of the respective countries? Do you think tribes in Africa and South America allow outsiders into their groups as equals? I'll guarantee their social structures are absolutely engineered to insure ethnic hegemony with no 13th and 14th Amendments or Brown v Board of Education or Civil Rights Acts to allow access to the mechanisms of power.

Judging from some of the posts in this thread you are doing quite well for yourself. How integrated is your community? Do you have an HOA that would keep "those sorts of people" out of the neighborhood? Do you go shopping in the poorer side of town to disburse your wealth to those who need the economic activity or do those neighborhoods make you uneasy?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
224. Re your first paragrah
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jul 2015

It was caused by colonization, which affected much of the world and not just the US. And a Chinese person in power in China is not the same as a white person in power in the US because white doesn't = American. Still, there are ethnic minorities in China. I'm not aware enough of the specifics there to know if a Chinese ethnic minority has ever been in a position of national power.

Also, it appears you think that there is less racism here than other places because we've had a black president? I would disagree. Regardless, African Americans are not "outsiders" in the US. Their ancestors have been here on average longer than white people's ancestors.

My overall community is somewhat integrated but could absolutely be better. The group I volunteer with is not the only one doing anti-racism training, so hopefully things will improve. It is not all white by a long shot though. My specific neighborhood is very integrated racially when compared to our area as a whole or the state of Michigan as a whole, but is only made up of wealthy people, just not only white wealthy people. I shop in all parts of town.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
207. The 'need to feel powerful' extends from one side of the aisle to the other...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jul 2015

The 'need to feel powerful' extends from one side of the aisle to the other, and across all races creeds and colors. Its here on DU too, and plain to see, whenever theres an alert jihad, or a poster mass ignores others.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
211. I like to pretend I have absolute knowledge of other people's genuflecting too.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jul 2015

I like to pretend I have absolute knowledge of other people's genuflecting too.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
242. That is one hell of a thing to read out of a person who is exploiting attacks on gay men with knives
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jul 2015

to harp about race and guns instead of about homophobia and religious based bias against LGBT which is the actual motive for most of the violence against us.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
83. "Only poor people of color should discuss racism . . .!"
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:35 AM
Jul 2015

Oh wait, you'd try to shut them down too.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
89. I just love how you lecture that economic inequality doesn't matter (from your home in Ann Arbor!).
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jul 2015

Response to Romulox (Reply #89)

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
96. LOL. Washtenaw County, then. Either way, it's an awkward perch from which to lecture the poor. nt
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jul 2015

Response to Romulox (Reply #96)

Response to Romulox (Reply #101)

Response to Romulox (Reply #111)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
131. Jury results
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jul 2015

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

i hope this gun nut does not show up at this posters house.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:08 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Perhaps other posts would deserve a hide, but not this one.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Pfffffft
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not sure what the issue with this post is...i would comment though that this entire thread is nothing but flame bait.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
142. I didn't alert on that.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jul 2015

You make a great deal of assumptions. I don't keep up on the gun debates and I'm not intrested in them.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
121. I deleted all my posts about where I live
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:57 AM
Jul 2015

because I am very uncomfortable with what appear to be attempts to pinpoint my location.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
130. No, I'm very up front about me having wealth privilege.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jul 2015

I am not comfortable with you trying to find out where I live.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
139. Do a search if you really care
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jul 2015

I've talked about it but I don't remember what threads. I still think you're confusing me with someone else, though I don't care much. I don't even care much whether you find out I've talked about it, or find links. You trying to find out where I live is the only thing about you of interest to me.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
147. I don't know if I've posted a whole thread about wealth privilege
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jul 2015

I generally post things that are sent via email or on facebook from the group I volunteer with, and those are generally anti-racism articles. But when wealth privilege has come up in a thread, I have every single time acknowledged it, and I have never suggested I don't have it, or tried to downplay my privilege.

You're not even interested in that. You just want me to stop talking about racism. But you're keeping the thread kicked so that's something.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
150. Yeah, it looks like you want to have this conversation. /sarcasm
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jul 2015

You seem more interested in me than anything else.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
143. And "you trying to find out where I live thing" is silly. We only know about you what you yourself
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jul 2015

post.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
74. See I believe the test here is....
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:31 AM
Jul 2015

Would this screed be racist if it were written about black men with a gun who kills in order to feel powerful...I believe it would be, and it is equally racist being about white men.

The ridiculous belief that only whites can be racist is just more overtly racist bullshit forwarded by race baiters and fools.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
117. Wow, this thread sure makes people uncomfortable.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:51 AM
Jul 2015

I'd like to thank everyone for keeping it kicked!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
215. It certainly seems to have put at least one DUer very much on the defensive.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jul 2015

A very enlightening thread!

Ilsa

(61,709 posts)
138. Sometimes I think testosterone is the most dangerous
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jul 2015

Hormone and drug in the history of the world.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
152. "All attributed motivations are approximate."
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jul 2015

Well no shit, Sherlock.

Can you just imagine the (well-deserved) outcry if someone were to write a similar article about murders by black males, specifically focusing on their race and indulging in bullshit speculation about their motivations? Hell, you don't have to imagine: people write articles like that all the time.

At Stormfront...

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
153. 250 years
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jul 2015

and still killing, destroying, hating all to feel racially superior and dominant. On and on it goes.....where it stops nobody knows

Stinky The Clown

(67,832 posts)
187. Go to most any right wing "political" site and read the threats against Y.O.U
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jul 2015

"One bullet at a time"

"We're coming for you"

"When the hot war starts, you'll be the first to know"

And on and on.

This sort of threat - directed at all liberals - is more open and more common that ever. Some even leveled against named members of DU. That goes well beyond comedy or derision. That is an actual threat.

Initech

(100,108 posts)
188. July 29th, 2015
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jul 2015

"White American male with a weapon who believes in his own superiority kills in order to feel powerful. He bribes sanctuary guards with $55,000, tortures a famed lion used in a decade long research project before shooting it with a bow and arrow, bragging about it on Instagram, l and cutting its head off, because, damn it, because he is dominant."

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
200. At least the white race is coming around to accepting they are a race, then maybe we can move on
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:13 PM - Edit history (2)

to explaining the white privilege of their race to them without them getting all buggy.

I wonder what all the gun lovers crashing the thread with their insane and transparent rantings think of the killing of Cecile and honored NRA board member Ted Nugent's defence?

Posing that question should be good for a laugh!

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
225. Let's talk about male privilege and those who feel they're entitled to tell rape survivors
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jul 2015

that efforts to protect themselves are political shilling. Care to broach that subject?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
223. White American males plagued by feelings of inferiority...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jul 2015

...at odds with the myth of the master race.

Their cognitive dissonance turns murderous when life stubbornly refuses to validate their fantasies.

Kali

(55,026 posts)
227. wow
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jul 2015

seems like a lot of white (male) people took this personally

I'm a white, gun owner (female, though) and I get the point. Still, watch out talking about white male privilege (or fear of the loss of) around here, because almost nobody here has that.


 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
247. They are more likely to be POOR. The less money you have the more likely you are to do your own
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:18 PM
Jul 2015

killing. Rich white guys can cause the death of millions of people around the world and never go to jail or even get called murderers.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
250. I think poverty is part of the explanation, but not all of it.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:51 PM
Jul 2015

Hispanics, for instance, have a similar poverty rate, but a significantly lower murder rate. The two groups have both experienced racism in America, but they have different histories with it. Maybe that explains some of it.

Poverty is certainly part of it. It makes every stress and strain worse, every problem more insoluble, and the need to make a few bucks more desperate.

I don't know about the rest of it, but we seem to produce some really fucked up kids--of all colors--and there is one observation I will make: It seems to run in families. Dad goes to prison, son goes to prison. And his son goes to prison. I see that a lot among my poor white contemporaries, and I see that a lot in other communities, too.

We have to break that pipeline somehow. Part of it's poverty, racism, and a horrendously unfair criminal justice system, but not all of it. Why do some families deal with that by inter-generational criminality and others don't?

------

I don't have a lot of money, but I haven't had to kill anybody myself because I couldn't afford to hire an assassin. You?

Yeah, I agree that rich white guys can get away with mass murder. So do rich leaders of other colors. Ask the Saudis.



Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
240. No kidding. Suddenly discovering that "white" is also a race, the dominate race, which is the race that needs to explain everything is causing mass confusion.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:20 PM
Jul 2015

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
232. White American man isn't any more responsible for the actions of other white american man,
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jul 2015

than any other gender ethnicity combo.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
234. Look how mad!! The very same folks that castigated black protesters(racistly) are now calling YOU racist.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:40 PM
Jul 2015
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
236. Hey straight people. If you are going to use language like this about anti gay attacks by straights
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jul 2015

I want you to know that this thread being all about guns with a stabbing of gay people cited in the OP is hyper offensive.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
245. It is very much not a gun thread. It got hijacked.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:48 PM
Jul 2015

I didn't write it, I just pasted it, but it does use offensive language so I edited that out. It's about violence, specifically killing members of oppressed groups, not even specifically about race (although that's the context under which it was emailed to me) but it is definitely not about guns.

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