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True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:37 PM Jun 2015

Make no mistake, Jeb Bush is the GOP nominee. Everyone else is just running interference.

Having watched the Satanic shitshow that is the Republican Party over the years, one thing is certain when it comes to presidential primaries: There are two classes of candidate - Inner Party and Outer Party, like in Orwell - and Inner Party always defeats Outer Party for a nomination. Outer Party candidates are only nominated when an Inner Party candidate fails to run, which is typically when the wisdom of the GOP's clearest-eyed internal strategists suggests victory is unlikely.

The distinction between Inner and Outer is not a rigorously defined one, but is clear in context. Despite the adulation heaped on him in retrospect, Ronald Reagan was an Outer Party candidate - which is why he was only able to obtain the nomination in the midst of general Republican disarray still in the shadow of the Nixon era. It's also why he was basically an empty suit whose administration did whatever it wanted with or without him, while he just wallowed in the acting gig of pretending to be a leader.

His Vice President, George HW Bush, however, was profoundly Inner Party, and exemplified some of the factors that usually play into it: Old Money, deep family connections with crime and radical right-wing politics going back generations, intimate military and intelligence connections, and the most effective of all conservative qualities - the patient acquisition of real power, both in public and in the background.

To call HW and his crowd (including Dick Cheney) "sinister" would be an understatement. From the very beginning, they effectively orchestrated Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, dropping back-channel hints at every opportunity that the United States had no interest in preserving the independence of Kuwait, and would not strongly intervene if - as Hussein was strongly hinting - an Iraqi annexation were to take place. Bush et al had deep knowledge of Saddam Hussein from a long-term intelligence relationship during the Iran-Iraq War, and knew he aspired to possess Kuwaiti oil fields, and knew the likely significance of his inquiring about the US disposition to Iraq/Kuwait relations.

An Iraqi invasion of Kuwait was almost certainly the desired result of the responses to these inquiries, hoping to encourage action that could serve as a justification for massive intervention. To the mind of George HW Bush, raised in WW2-era politics, such a war would definitely secure him a second term. The only problem was that it was too successful, ending too soon, and he overestimated the attention span of an American public now much younger than himself while underestimating the charms of a smooth-talking liberal-esque Southerner.

Despite the initial sense that Bill Clinton was a lightweight who had scored a fluke win, these interests - with their deep knowledge of power - were soon forced to respect his ability to elude their tactics, and had failed by 1996 to create any halfway plausible pretext either for running against him or trying to impeach him. As usually happens in that case, the field was ceded to an Outer Party candidate who, despite his long career in the Senate, was never himself a web-weaver in terms of power.

The plan by 1994 was for Jeb Bush to become Governor of Florida and then run for President in 2000 and resume his father's legacy. The full force of the media, of industry, and of his father's military, intelligence, and judicial associates would back him full-throatedly and with no moral or legal holds barred once the presidential election came around. However, that plan was postponed when Jeb lost the 1994 race, and only gained the Governor's office in 1998, making 2000 premature. But his brother George W. won the Texas Governorship in 1994, putting him on the track to fulfill this roll.

Despite having no credentials or rational argument whatsoever to become Governor of Texas, and no argument against his opponent, the full force of the Bush family machine steamrolled popular Democratic Governor Ann Richards out of office and placed GW in position for the 2000 presidential election. Then, despite having done basically nothing but smirk at executions and create a third-world educational system as Governor of Texas, the Bush family machine then steamrolled all other primary candidates in 2000, including highly popular Outer Party Senator John McCain. It then infamously secured Bush the Presidency through a vast web of criminal acts (including actions by his brother Jeb as Governor of Florida), culminating in a lawless Supreme Court decision arbitrarily declaring him the winner of an election he had plainly lost.

The rest of the GW Bush saga is a long, ugly, and horrifying story that is outside the scope of this discussion, but suffice it to say that the Bush family machine became an effective authoritarian monarchy during this period of time, and that the US Constitution was more or less interrupted from 2001 to 2009. Having nearly destroyed the US economy and all other institutions, the Inner Party retreated into the shadows to count its vast trove of stolen money and plan its next moves, but ceded the political field to its erstwhile Outer Party favorite, John McCain, who was given only a part of the machine support that George W. had received.

By 2012, the Inner Party once again knew it had no foundation from which to go after the Democratic incumbant, seeing clearly that Barack Obama was untouchable given simple demographic math. Jeb Bush, despite having waited a dozen years longer than the original plan, opted to wait longer. Instead, a self-funded billionaire was nominated - one whose particulars placed him somewhere on the inner edge of the Outer Party, but whose money could never buy him the level or depth of power network that the Bushes had inherited.

Now, however, Jeb Bush is running. So make no mistake about it that he will be the Republican nominee for President, regardless of whoever else runs. The Republican Party is effectively Bush family property. The Republican electorate simply have no say in the matter. None whatsoever. Jeb Bush will be the Republican nominee, and the full force of the media, the markets, the courts, and if necessary, uglier elements will be brought to bear to see him inherit "his" more important family property, the White House.

The point is, do not be distracted by the clown show. Trump is nothing. Rubio is nothing. Cruz is nothing. Keep your eye fixed on Jeb Bush, and attack every move he makes and every word he says, at every opportunity. And moreover, make sure we have the right candidate to mount the only kind of campaign that can defeat people like him: A popular electoral uprising by an impassioned electorate determined to see a better future, immune to propaganda and too numerous to be undermined by any form of fuckery with the slightest chance of succeeding.

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Make no mistake, Jeb Bush is the GOP nominee. Everyone else is just running interference. (Original Post) True Blue Door Jun 2015 OP
but he is so bad at it hollysmom Jun 2015 #1
It almost doesn't matter what he says or does. That's the point. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #9
That is always the weakness of hereditary dynasties n2doc Jun 2015 #12
Beyond a certain point, that's the strength of hereditary dynasties. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #24
Bush descends from a Barbara Bush JonLP24 Jun 2015 #30
Actually I'm afraid.... daleanime Jun 2015 #2
He has the backing of some very evil and powerful people. n/t Cleita Jun 2015 #5
Walker is Nixonian. He may get his shot, but not against an Inner Party candidate. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #11
Same. Agschmid Jun 2015 #13
Edelman and the Koch brothers might have a different plan virtualobserver Jun 2015 #3
He's the least tainted flamingdem Jun 2015 #4
awesome post! unblock Jun 2015 #6
I have picked him from the start. old guy Jun 2015 #7
There is almost zero chance of Jeb winning the nomination. Not only do Republican voters not want stevenleser Jun 2015 #8
I've been saying this for years. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #10
Walker has been anointed by the Koch brothers etherealtruth Jun 2015 #14
Their interests would probably be appeased by having Walker as veep. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #16
I agree that they actually do NOT represent the "partY" etherealtruth Jun 2015 #17
They're Nixon types, just like Walker is. But that makes them somewhat isolated. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #19
They essentially bought Michigan's Supreme Court etherealtruth Jun 2015 #20
It's sort of the difference between Sulla and Caesar. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #22
You are , of course, correct n/t etherealtruth Jun 2015 #23
I think I'm missing the point of the sig line JonLP24 Jun 2015 #41
Its solely about respect and acceptance etherealtruth Jun 2015 #47
That makes sense and agree JonLP24 Jun 2015 #49
Bingo Fairgo Jun 2015 #27
Hillary will kick his ass. nt onehandle Jun 2015 #15
will she kick it enough to overcome the bush mafia? 0rganism Jun 2015 #18
Hillary is just an inferior copy of her own enemies. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #21
They will parade out all their scandals TBF Jun 2015 #25
We always do best with candidates who throw a wrench in the GOP's formulas. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #38
I think so HassleCat Jun 2015 #26
He has unfavorably deficit JonLP24 Jun 2015 #28
John McCain was one of the most popular Senators in the entire country in 2000. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #32
Bush was popular with the Republican voters -- more popular than any Republican primary candidate eve JonLP24 Jun 2015 #36
The point is not who is dirtier, but who can make the other look dirtier. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #46
You sum up Scott Kevin Walker nicely. lutefisk Jun 2015 #55
I don't believe in inevitability Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #29
Republicans believe in inevitability, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #34
Actually, they choose a candidate that the media and the electorate Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #52
just like Hillary is ours Doctor_J Jun 2015 #31
Hillary wishes she had the same position as the Bushes. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #33
surely you jest. Doctor_J Jun 2015 #35
This is June of the year before the election. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #40
You may be right in many ways, yet sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #37
The Kochs are solid only in the Midwest. Beyond that, they're just another interest. True Blue Door Jun 2015 #42
I think it's going to be Ben Carson. pnwmom Jun 2015 #39
He does have the highest favorable ratings of any of the candidates JonLP24 Jun 2015 #44
Dunno about that, the Koch Assholes own Walker and want him as POTUS. Rex Jun 2015 #43
Absolutely nailed it BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #45
I'm gonna kick and rec this again BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #48
kim jung jeb HFRN Jun 2015 #50
If it's a white guy, he'll feel compelled to have a female VP to counter HRC. NCLefty Jun 2015 #51
Maybe, but a Hispanic VP would also be good pol-tix. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #53
He's a pretty bad candidate Cosmocat Jun 2015 #54
Follow the money and the majority of it will go to Bush. B Calm Jun 2015 #56

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
1. but he is so bad at it
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jun 2015

I used to believe that JEB was the smart Bush, but his running indicates he is the lesser of the family. Every single time he is asked a question that requires any opinion, he has to answer like 15 times before he finally gets to the inoffensive one. I do believe he wants to skip all primaries, but how does he get elected? hope for a stalemate and then come in, and when he runs how many weeks will we have to wait for an answer in the debates?

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
9. It almost doesn't matter what he says or does. That's the point.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jun 2015

His brother's campaign was a clown show, but it didn't matter. The force of the media and all other influences were brought to bear.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
12. That is always the weakness of hereditary dynasties
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jun 2015

The offspring get progressively dumber and lazier until they can't retain power.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
24. Beyond a certain point, that's the strength of hereditary dynasties.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jun 2015

The weaker the individual, the less they can interfere in the workings of the family machine. That's how inbred, moth-eaten European monarchies were able to survive for 500 years with the most ludicrously brain-dead individuals leading them.

First there's the founder, who is a strong-willed tyrant. The founder's immediate sons are the biggest threats to the dynasty, because they have enough will to fight for their own ideas, but usually not enough to preserve their father's creations. If the dynasty is preserved past them, then it starts to get easier and easier. Grandsons are usually weak-willed aristocrats to-the-manor-born, incapable of any idea that isn't from the start rooted in the family institutions, and it just descends from there.

Things only change after that from outside influences and interventions.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
30. Bush descends from a Barbara Bush
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jun 2015

who was a cousin to 14th President Franklin Pierce. They've been set for awhile and probably set for awhile before that, probably those weak-willed aristocrats in the Bush family tree. I agree with a lot you have to say in this thread.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
11. Walker is Nixonian. He may get his shot, but not against an Inner Party candidate.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jun 2015

I see him more likely being chosen as Jeb's running mate for electoral vote reasons.

old guy

(3,281 posts)
7. I have picked him from the start.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jun 2015

I believe the back room money is going to back him simple because he is a Bush and appears to be somewhat more sane than the rest. Walker had the Kochs support, but only as far as Wi. They got their moneys worth from him but know he is not a national type candidate. VP? Maybe. All the rest are just little yapping ankle biters, in this for their own gratification.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. There is almost zero chance of Jeb winning the nomination. Not only do Republican voters not want
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jun 2015

him, he is a terrible candidate, even assuming the horrible views of the Republican party.

He is barely able to pull support in the low teens at this point with the name recognition of "Bush" and every possible advantage in the world.

His candidacy is dead man walking.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
16. Their interests would probably be appeased by having Walker as veep.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jun 2015

The Kochs, believe it or not, are not Inner Party - at least as far as I can tell. They're just insanely rich and ruthless, meaning they're on a path toward the Inner Party eventually.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
17. I agree that they actually do NOT represent the "partY"
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jun 2015

"They're just insanely rich and ruthless" .... that's the part that scares me

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
19. They're Nixon types, just like Walker is. But that makes them somewhat isolated.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jun 2015

They can do a lot of damage, definitely, but it would be chaotic damage - their own people wouldn't be able to avoid the consequences. People like Walker get impeached, people like the Kochs get indicted (even if they aren't convicted).

Inner Party are people who totally above the law - so far above it they could go on TV and brag about committing the worst imaginable crimes and nothing would happen, which is exactly what George W. Bush did.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
20. They essentially bought Michigan's Supreme Court
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

i hear what you are saying, but still have my visceral reaction

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
22. It's sort of the difference between Sulla and Caesar.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jun 2015

One is dangerous in the sense of creating chaos, the other is dangerous in the sense of creating an effective New Order of robust tyranny.

We had a ton of people like the Kochs in the 19th century, and overcame them the moment society mobilized against them.

But the last time we fought people like the Bushes, they were all rulers of foreign countries.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
41. I think I'm missing the point of the sig line
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jun 2015

Didn't want to go off-topic but figured you have the sig for a reason to make a point so I'm curious trying to figure out what it is.

I do know the fundamentalist conservative Christian church's, depending on which ones preach not drinking. Prohibition was led by religious Christians, particularly Methodists. The Muslim had the right has the red scarf which is usually what the elite of the Wahabbi states wear though they could require the Saudi nationals to wear it as well but while not drinking is part of the traditional beliefs & practices of Islam the image on the right is probably a Wahabbi which is the ultraconservative fundamentalist sect of Islam that sits on top of a lot of oil therefore wealth, power, prestige but they are so far off in so many ways to the traditional beliefs & practices. Don't know what I'm trying to clear up as I'm confused on the point the cartoon is trying to make.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
47. Its solely about respect and acceptance
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:22 PM
Jun 2015

Don't take the cartoon depiction too literally. my idea (and I think the cartoonists idea) .... is that the world would and could be a better place if we recognized our differences, respected each others differences, and embraced each outher for the richness of our differences.

Its not intended to be a factual depiction. It is solely intended to illustrate the idea. Its an artistic depiction of an idea (again, not a depiction of a reality)

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
49. That makes sense and agree
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jun 2015

I think the 3 groups over here in the bar and the Muslim -- probably Wahabbi over here confused me or wasn't clear on what idea they were trying to illustrate. I do think the Wahabbi cult is turning the world into a far worse place accelerating by happening to be sitting on top of oil & Western interests aren't helping. Same goes for Inhofe & the other fundamentalist Christians with what is going on in places like Uganda & others.

I get the point now and thanks for clearing that up

0rganism

(23,769 posts)
18. will she kick it enough to overcome the bush mafia?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jun 2015

that's going to be the kicker.

the jig is almost up, the GOP has almost put all the nation's wealth into the hands of the top 10%, pretty soon there will be nothing left to loot and the bills will come due. this is their last chance to really make some bank, and i fully expect them to do "whatever it takes" to put Jeb in the white house.

after 2020, the demographic shifts alone will put national elections out of their reach; this is the swan song for the current coalition of interests in the GOP.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
21. Hillary is just an inferior copy of her own enemies.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jun 2015

Her ability to float to the top within the Democratic Party by default means absolutely nothing against an enemy in the other Party that controls the media, the money, and the courts.

It's my firm opinion that the Republican Party wants us to nominate her because they understand her. They would have no clue how to deal with someone like Bernie Sanders, and would both over- and under-react constantly.

TBF

(31,871 posts)
25. They will parade out all their scandals
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jun 2015

with Jeb leading the charge. No doubt in my mind he's the nominee. A few are in line for VP - including pondscum Walker.

The great thing about Bernie is that he's just done his own thing and what you see is what you get. That will be very hard for the hypocritical repugs to fight against.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
38. We always do best with candidates who throw a wrench in the GOP's formulas.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie Sanders fits the tradition of mold-destroying nicely that tends to characterize our success stories.

Hillary Clinton is the opposite of that: Republicans and their media creatures have her completely mapped. An election between her and Jeb Bush would be soul-crushingly predictable, and not in our favor.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
26. I think so
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jun 2015

The Republican primaries are famous for allowing extreme candidates to bask in the attention for a while, before the big money interests step in and shut down the carnival. Bush is the only one acceptable to corporate interests, so that pretty much settles it. This is fun, though, isn't it? I'm jonesing for a GOP debate with all 16 of them.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
28. He has unfavorably deficit
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015

Much higher than his favorably and that is just with Republican. George W. had the highest favorably all-time for Republican primary candidates in 1999. Trump is the most hated all-time of Republican voters.

It is difficult to handicap this because of the large number of candidates -- there are dark forces higher that the Bush's serve and by extension the Republican party serve. My best guess is Scott Walker will win due to his strong favorability showings and his lead in early polls. If it wasn't for the so many candidates I'd say Jeb Bush doesn't have a chance in hell but I agree strongly with everything else you say.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
32. John McCain was one of the most popular Senators in the entire country in 2000.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jun 2015

The Bush machine doesn't follow poll numbers, it acts to create them. And Walker is so dirty, all Bush has to do is shine a spotlight and the guy would look like exactly what he is - a crook. Especially since he's a political island, and destroying him wouldn't screw anyone else in the Party other than inconveniencing the Kochs.

That fact is why Walker would probably at some point be offered a veep deal to avoid being annihilated, and the Kochs would tell him to take it rather than lose their investment completely.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
36. Bush was popular with the Republican voters -- more popular than any Republican primary candidate eve
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jun 2015

Unless they have this thing completely rigged the voters matter and certainly it isn't completely rigged which is what all this grandstanding & shows are about during election time.

McCain was on a very solid place than the Rove's dirty tricks operating in South Carolina. Don't think he was connected to the machine as much -- not a Maverick or any of that bullshit "Straight Talk Express" -- more with the Graham--Lieberman coalition than the machine. Losing Walker wouldn't inconvenient the Kochs who are Libertarian who love the union busters. Plus the defense against oil regulations who no doubt a Bush would provide. I don't get it but Walker is popular with the Republican voters and they all are crooks -- I remember a Republican Arizona Attorney General debate 2 a little over 4 years ago between Tom Horne & Andrew Thomas where thru the whole debate they were accusing each other of corruption and they were both right.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
46. The point is not who is dirtier, but who can make the other look dirtier.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jun 2015

Scott Walker is a grim, ghoulish bully with the face of a serial killer and the political manners of an Eastern European dictator.

Regardless of the dark impulses that drive the Republican Party, that's not necessarily their preferred image. And the reality of his multiple, wide-open criminal activities would be low-hanging fruit for any well-funded operation to obliterate him.

He has nowhere near the network of the Bushes to insulate himself - his crimes go straight back to him personally. And just in image terms, the media would choose Jeb.

lutefisk

(3,974 posts)
55. You sum up Scott Kevin Walker nicely.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jun 2015

"Scott Walker is a grim, ghoulish bully with the face of a serial killer and the political manners of an Eastern European dictator."

You nailed it. Walker fits several profiles and all of them are bad, bad, bad.




Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
29. I don't believe in inevitability
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:16 PM
Jun 2015

I agree that Bush is the likely nominee. the makeup of the Republican candidate pool makes it impossible to protect at the moment.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
34. Republicans believe in inevitability, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jun 2015

Whatever candidate seizes the nomination most forcefully is the one they support.

The Inner Party GOP is a quasi-kratocracy. They don't choose candidates - they passively wait for a candidate to impose himself on them.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
52. Actually, they choose a candidate that the media and the electorate
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:09 PM
Jun 2015

project as appealing to the center and "independents." They know that they can not elect a candiate with just their voters.

In every election, they have candidats who run at the extreme right, but extemist are never nominated. This is a fact that pisses off the far right, by the way. They feel that Romney and McCain were centrists (that is their point of view) and all they need is a true conservative to sweep every state.

I think Bush will win the nomination because he will be able to pull in the most money. The fact that every Republican candidate has his or her own personal milionaire to fund their candidacy, make it dificutl to predict. In past elections, the candidate with the biggest money could weather a few losses. A candidate with little money hopes for a win that will draw donors.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
35. surely you jest.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:42 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary is already anointed as the dem nominee, big media is assailing Sanders and ignoring omalley, she gets millions from wall street, and will have a billion dollar war chest. Somehow she's downtrodden?

This sob story's going to flop outside of the HRC group.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
40. This is June of the year before the election.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jun 2015

If you're giving up this early, despite the experiences of the 2008 primaries, I really don't see what you hope to accomplish.

Republicans have no control of their Party because they choose to be fatalistic slaves. That status comforts them, fits their worldview. We are not like that, and we proved that before - ergo we can prove it again.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
37. You may be right in many ways, yet
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jun 2015

I think that the Koch Brothers have a long history
as well. Coming from the John Birch Society from
the fifties or sixties they have slowly and carefully
bought their power and have their own cleverly
selected inner circle. This may be the time for them
to show up in competition. Remember that Royal
houses changed hands as well.

Thus, I still think that it is between Jeb and Walker.

I agree that they hope and push in their media
way for HRC, because she is not like Bill as far
as campaign skills go.

The one fear gnawing at me is that 8 years of a
Dem president, especially a black kind of experiment
may lead to another repug.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
42. The Kochs are solid only in the Midwest. Beyond that, they're just another interest.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jun 2015

The Bushes are tied into the military-intelligence-industrial complex, as well as Wall Street and powerful foreign interests (they are tight with both Saudi Arabia and Russia), and the states of Texas and Florida. I strongly suspect they will give Walker a taste of their machine, and both he and the Kochs will be brought to the table and take a subordinate deal.

pnwmom

(108,874 posts)
39. I think it's going to be Ben Carson.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jun 2015

I know, he's crazy, but so is every other Rethug candidate.



I think the more popular Barack Obama becomes, the more they'll think it HAS to be because he is black. And lo and behold, they'll discover their own black candidate, just waiting for his moment.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
44. He does have the highest favorable ratings of any of the candidates
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jun 2015

but he is very unknown so it is hard for me to predict how it translates to the rest of the party and not familiar with myself either so my best guess is Walker.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
43. Dunno about that, the Koch Assholes own Walker and want him as POTUS.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jun 2015

I don't think Jeb has this locked in.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
45. Absolutely nailed it
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jun 2015

Abso freakin lutely. I hope more people read your analysis and your answers in this thread again because you are right on. Jeb WILL BE the nominee. He is the spawn of the power center of the party. Daddy Bush knows where all the skeletons are buried and that is the strings that work the puppets. The Kochs have been fighting to take control, but they don't have it yet, no matter how much money they throw at it. I always knew Jeb would be it someday, but I assumed he would wait until 2020 to take on an unpopular incumbent. They must have seen that with Democrats bowing out (and down) to Clinton, they had a shot. It will be Jeb, and they are working right now to find another Florida or October surprise. It is as predictable as the sun rising in the east.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
48. I'm gonna kick and rec this again
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jun 2015

DU and the Democratic Party needs to understand this. If not, they will be run over by those evil sons of bitches.

The Republican Party is effectively Bush family property


I recommend you post this agains perhaps next week as a lot of important things are happening today and it may not get the views it deserves.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
50. kim jung jeb
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jun 2015

maybe we'll have better relations with n korea now that we have something big in common with them

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
53. Maybe, but a Hispanic VP would also be good pol-tix.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jun 2015

Cruz is too far out there, and Bush-Rubio doesn't work because they couldn't both get Florida's electoral votes, but I could see Walker-Rubio as the ticket.

If Bush is the nominee, his Spanish fluency and Mexican wife would mean he'd have less to gain from a Hispanic running mate. Maybe he'd be more likely to pick a woman. The same is true if Rubio is the nominee.

Of course, there's always Susana Martinez as a two-fer option, regardless of which (non-Hispanic) man wins the nomination.

Cosmocat

(14,529 posts)
54. He's a pretty bad candidate
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jun 2015

He would be in REAL trouble if it was a pre-2008 election ...

He has the name, but boy he is gaffe/good prone, and is real thin on the well coiffed veneer of a "good" republican presidential candidate.

But, now that the republican primary turns into an open call for loons looking to up their creds to market themselves it almost ensures that the most "reasonable" sounding R wins - there are so many of them sucking up a few votes it totally washes out the wackiest votes leaving the most neutral guy - McCain and Romney, ex. to muddle through.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
56. Follow the money and the majority of it will go to Bush.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jun 2015

I once saw a bumper sticker that said "There is Dirt Under Every BUSH", how so true. .

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