Dylann Roof's father could face up to ten years in prison

[pnwmom]

IF prosecutors can prove that he knew about his son's felony indictment but gave him a gun for his birthday anyway.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/06/18/the-legal-loophole-that-allowed-dylann-roof-to-get-a-gun/

South Carolina is one of 42 states that do not require background checks for private gun transactions, like the one that allegedly took place between Roof and his father. Gun control activists call this the “private sale” loophole.

It’s illegal to give guns to felons or people with felony indictments — but that’s only if you know about their criminal records. In South Carolina, you don’t have to ask, so private citizens can more or less freely exchange guns.

If prosecutors can show that the father knew about Roof’s indictment but gave him the gun anyway, Roof’s father could face up to 10 years in prison.

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It’s unclear, of course, if the pistol Roof received for his birthday is the same semiautomatic handgun that police say was used in the Charleston church shooting. If Roof owned guns he acquired prior to his felony charge, he would have been allowed to hang onto them.

[Lars39]

1. Good

[HereSince1628]

2. I hope prosecutors apply their due diligence on that.

[pnwmom]

3. Me, too. n/t

[uponit7771]

4. The KKK, GOP and Skinheads will come to the fathers defense...

... and the man will never see a day in jail if he should.

The KKK came to Wilsons defense

[Liberal Veteran]

10. And tacitly....another three letter acronym group will do the same: NRA

That group will say they want to keep the guns away from dangerous people and then turn around and fight tooth and nail to water down or kill any legislation to do that to the point that the legislation lacks even the teeth of a paper tiger.

Usually they will say it is too onerous on the....ahem..."responsible gun owner".

[uponit7771]

12. +1!!!

[Plucketeer]

20. The NRA will claim

"If only the congregation had been "packin'". After all, they should've been expecting something like this!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

23. Sharp shooting snipers in the balcony!

The entire choir has AK-47's under their gowns.

[BainsBane]

17. and the NRA

which is basically the same thing.

[linuxman]

31. I don't follow.

How is the NRA similar?

[BainsBane]

33. It's an organization that promotes gun violence

Is overwhelmingly white, and uses it's power to have people of color killed. It's a racist, vile, reactionary terrorist organization. It is the single greatest source of evil in America, bar none. Those Klansmen and Skinheads are also NRA members, that much you can be sure.

They make sure every domestic batterer, racist hate monger, and terrorist has ready access to guns. There is no question they will defend this father and ensure more parents give their kids with felony convictions guns. The more deaths the better as far as they are concerned, and they do everything in their power to enable murders get access to weapons and act with impunity.

[linuxman]

34. Hyperbole isn't exactly making your point very well.

Ah yes. The KKK. An "overwhelmingly white" organization. Pretty sure it's whites only. Is the NRA? No. That's provable. Mostly white? Yep. So is the US. Go figure.

Give me an example of the NRA using it's power to have non-white people killed. Don't weasel on me either. Show me some proof that the NRA has sought to deliberately have POC killed off. Surely such a fact of common knowledge would have some sort of article you could link to. Maybe even a report on the subsequent indictment.

The single greatest source of evil in America? Worse than the KKK? Worse than the American Nazi groups? Worse than NAMBLA? See, this is why I have trouble taking you seriously. To go a step further, I don't buy into the judeo-christian concepts of "evil". Far too nebulous and far to often used by moralizing totalitarians in the past to vilify their opponents. Define evil, then show me how they fit the mold.

Klansmen and skinheads are members of the NRA? Yes, I'm positive some are. Your point? Seriously, Anyone can join, as the NRA doesn't do background checks on members, much like the ACLU or the Mickey Mouse fanclub. Your attempt to conflate Racist orgs with the NRA are silly at best. If I can find a single child molester in some group you belong to, would it be wise to equate you with them based on a shared group? No, and I wouldn't take myself seriously if I did.

Look, I'm all for being proved wrong. Show me a single organization of department that's a recognized authority on law and terrorism that corroborates you views on the NRA and it's terroist status/status as an org that willfully guides the killing of POC. Justice department? FBI? ACLU? SPLC? NAACP? Bueler?



But hey, they're the same thing, right?

[BainsBane]

36. Are you really sitting there defending a far RW organization on this site?

because I'm not in the mood to prove anything to you. Anyone who even thinks of defending them in anyway is not someone who is worth my time proving anything to. By all means, pledge your allegiance to the murderous arm of the GOP, but don't expect to have a conversation with me.

[linuxman]

37. Then why post hyperbolic bunk?

I've no affiliation with the NRA. Zero. I just find it humorous that you want to make some wildly false statement and then not bther to defend it when you're called on it. Then again, why would you expect someone to challenge you on it? You seem to think this is less a discussion forum than it is a site where nobody will disagree with you. after all, everyone knows the NRA and the KKK are literally identical, as the NRA is a terrorist org. Jesus.

If you told me the ground was made of brownies, I ask you to take a bite and show me first. You can't seem to back up your claims. If I were in your position, I'd bow out under the premise of you being a GOP affiliate also.

[JaneyVee]

41. Stand Your Ground....

And their magazine promotes coded xenophobia and racism.

[linuxman]

42. Stand your ground laws allow someone who is attacked to defend their life..

without first having to attempt to flee. It's not a free ticket to kill, and invoking it doesn't protect you from being investigated, as all defensive uses of force should be. Applies to all races too, last I checked.



I don't read the NRA's publications. Can you provide some source material, along with the decoded portions for me to read? I never got my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring.

[heaven05]

44. yep

probably will defend to the death...which is not saying much about this individual, except whoever they are they are trying to distract from the fact, a racist killed 9 innocent people in a church, in a state, that flies the confederate flag over their statehouse. And you're right on the, not worth it, point, big time. on edit: forget to mention that I think the NRA makes it possible for racist terrorists to acquire guns legally without consequence to themselves.

[SunSeeker]

5. Every racist kid I ever met had parents who were also racists.

I'm betting this father not only gave him the gun, but the mindset.

[Duppers]

22. Exactly. nt

[BeyondGeography]

6. Handgun for the big 21

That's parenting.

[bigwillq]

7. I hope the father gets the max (nt)

[ellisonz]

8. Shame

[0rganism]

9. this part annoys me: " If Roof owned guns he acquired prior to his felony charge..."

"If Roof owned guns he acquired prior to his felony charge, he would have been allowed to hang onto them."

how are these not subject to civil forfeiture? if he'd been arrested for possession of 6 ounces of weed, that and everything else he owned would have been on the docket for probably assisting in his heinous crimes.

except, apparently, his firearms.

[Nye Bevan]

11. "Annoys" doesn't cover it. That is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

If a taxi driver's car can be confiscated for an illegal airport pickup, why can't someone's arsenal of weapons be confiscated upon a felony conviction?

[Comrade Grumpy]

15. You have to be convicted first.

[nichomachus]

54. You don't have to be convicted to have your property confiscated

If the cops imagine that you may be thinking about buying drugs.

[Lizzie Poppet]

28. Requires a conviction.

Which, of course, should be the case in drug cases, as well...but the DEA and other parasites have been using the RICO statutes to facilitate theft for years now.

[catrose]

53. I know. Seriously?

I thought convicted felons couldn't even be around guns (because "possession" is a slippery thing, as I learned in my time on the grand jury).

I wished more gun enthusiasts could see the prosecutor's evidence, at least in my state: X is a felon. X had a gun. Bring on the indictment; that's all you need.

[exboyfil]

13. I thought that might view it as a straw purchase

this is much better.

[Kalidurga]

14. Good

I hope they throw the book at him.

[Kingofalldems]

16. Wait! Gun fanciers say there is no loophole!

[Duckhunter935]

26. There is no gun show loophole

Intrastate transfer without a background check is not a loophole as it is up to the state involved. Some do require background checks.

[heaven05]

18. This is gunmerica

with a very privileged class and he will NEVER face a day in jail.

[linuxman]

32. What class would that be in this case?

[heaven05]

38. a class that murders UNARMED POC

men, women and children every 36 hours, in this country, on the streets, in their homes and in their churches. The privileged class. Clear enough for you?

[linuxman]

39. Nevermind. I'm replying to the wrong thread.

I assumed you meant the killer.

[linuxman]

40. Especially if he didn't provide the gun

The facts aren't in yet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026863812

[heaven05]

43. doesn't matter

the racist kid got a gun, killed 9 people in a historically important black church that has used it's pulpit and members to fight slavery, segregation, white racism and those who for, 150 years, have been counseling, "wait for the facts", they're aren't in yet". What facts are we waiting on? That the father did or didn't give his racist kid a gun for his 21st birthday? That the kid didn't use a gun to murder those 9 people? "Coincidence, "wait for the facts". Give it a break will you, I don't have time for your distractive ploys of which came first, the father or the gun. He, a racist murderer had a gun, and while stating he was a racist and that POC had to go because they were taking over, killed nine people in a church, that is all that matters. You haven't addressed that fact yet. I wonder if you're in the right place with you trying to find a way to take the onus off of the family and the fact their kid murdered 9 innocent POC with a gun. I don't care where he got it from, he had it! His friends knew he was a racist and wanted to kill POC and didn't say a goddamn thing, they are just as guilty. That store owner, if he sold a lethal weapon to an openly professed racist, he's guilty as that kid. Your argument is specious and disturbing in it's lack of comment on racist murder, just about where this racist got the weapon, not racist murder of 9 innocent POC.

Until that family speaks up and says they were never racist, hated the fact that the kid started revering the confederate flag that flies over the state house of S,C, I'll believe that they are part and parcel of this tragic racist murder that has been, and still is, all to common in this racist nation for generations. You're barking up the wrong tree here. Take your whistling dogs away from me.

[linuxman]

45. Dude, switch to decaf.

This thread is about the father's complicity/innocence regarding providing a gun to the killer. As I stated, it's still unclear whether he did or not. Nobody is excusing the killer of anything. My "Wait for the facts" is directed at the suggestion of the father's complicity/lack thereof. Nothing more. Your attempt to make my post/this thread about something else in order to make it look like I'm excusing the murderer is pathetic.

If you want to discuss the murderer's responsibility, there are plenty of threads on that. Knock yourself out. So far, NOBODY on this site has even implied he didn't do it. We all know he did it. I know it. You know it. The dog knows it. Don't attempt to make it look like I'm advocating for the shooter.

Show where I took the onus off the murderer. Go ahead. I'll wait.

What's that? Can't do it? Shocker.

[heaven05]

46. that's all you have "dude"

people with comments like yours? Dime a dozen. Not worth trying to get through your 'logic'. You need to......never mind, you'd get offended. Give it a break, you are are not impressing anyone with your defense of the NRA. Just embarrassing yourself, so please continue....

[linuxman]

47. You've certainly wasted enough time on me.

That's right. Don't refute or address my point. Just dismiss it, walk away, and post a smiley. I'm going to go write down this lesson you taught me before I forget it.

[heaven05]

49. walking away

because I see through you and so do others here. Have a nice stay here.

[linuxman]

51. Why thank you!

Bless your heart.

[Mike_SMO]

19. Don`t jump the gun

Comments in the media suggest that the pistol was bought for their son`s use but they did not trust him enough to actually let him have it, i.e. take it away with him. Thus he actually didn`t actual "own" it or independently control it. The report is that he stole the pistol from his parents when he decided to follow his deamons.

I suspect that more details will soon be available.

[NV Whino]

21. I don't see any difference here

If they bought it for him, it was his. Obviously, the kid thought of it as his. I'm sure a lawyer could do a big mashup of this, but it seems pretty clear to me.

[pnwmom]

24. If that's their claim, they aren't helped by the uncle who says it was a birthday present. n/t

[geek tragedy]

25. 10 years, gen pop.

He raised the kid as a white supremacist and gave him the gun. He authored this crime.

[Lizzie Poppet]

27. The same thing applies to giving guns to people with drug problems.

Possession of firearms by (or the transfer of firearms to) persons who are "users of or are addicted to controlled substances" is also a violation of federal law. Roof was, by several accounts, a "pill popper," and it's a bit hard to believe his father had no idea (given that Roof had been arrested for possession).

[Cha]

29. ..

[bettyellen]

30. I honestly think they need to start prosecuting people for their negligence with guns

I really can't agree a careless gun owner has "suffered enough" and should be let off for negligence. Not ever. Too many are careless and think leaving guns around is no big deal.

[colsohlibgal]

35. Hopefully At Least Ten Years

Gun nuts in general are a menace, but confederate fans are a special evil breed of gun zealots that just won't go away.

I wouldn't be surprised if "The Turner Diaries" was prominent in that families library.

[Gothmog]

48. If true, Roof's father will be facing some jail time

[B2G]

50. Roof's roommate is saying Dylann bought the gun

with birthday money. No idea how he actually came to possess it at this point.

[onehandle]

52. Conspiracy. The Feds should be all over this.

Track the guns through everyone who had possession back to the owners of the company that made the gun.

Due diligence or those people died for nothing.