Pope Francis: Gay Parents Aren’t Capable Of Loving Children Like Straight Parents

[PeaceNikki]

http://www.thegailygrind.com/2015/06/16/pope-francis-gay-parents-arent-capable-of-loving-children-like-straight-parents/

Pope Francis once again stressed the importance of children being raised by heterosexual parents on Sunday (June 14), likening a long-lasting marriage to a good wine, in which a husband and wife make the most of their gender differences.

Francis addressed a crowd of about 25,000 followers from the Diocese of Rome, saying the differences between men and women are fundamental and “an integral part of being human.”

“They’re not scared of the differences!” the pope said. “What great richness this diversity is, a diversity which becomes complementary, but also reciprocal. It binds them, one to the other.”

He stressed that heterosexual marriages ensure a couples’ happiness and are essential for good parenting.

“Children mature seeing their father and mother like this; their identity matures being confronted with the love their father and mother have, confronted with this difference,” Francis said.

The pontiff’s address came a day after Rome celebrated gay pride with a parade which included the city’s mayor, Ignazio Marino, just outside the Vatican walls.

What children need are parents. Parents who will love them, nurture them and protect them. What they don’t need is to be told that the anatomy of the parents raising them will somehow make them into better people. In fact, research shows that children raised by same sex couples do as well as those raised by heterosexual couples.

[uppityperson]

1. "heterosexual marriages ensure a couples’ happiness"??????

[PeaceNikki]

2. I know. It's fucking insane.

From another source: "Heterosexual marriages not only ensured couples' happiness, the pope said, but were deemed essential for good parenting." - Natonal Catholic Reporter

[gollygee]

10. He obviously doesn't know much about marriage

Half of heterosexual marriages end, and probably half of the rest aren't particulalry happy. Being married quite obviously does not ensure happiness.

He has to know this isn't true, doesn't he?

[arcane1]

26. A celibate virgin with no knowledge of marriage? Say it isn't so!

[RKP5637]

69. It shows how totally out of touch with reality this guy is. n/t

[DesertFlower]

4. sad to hear him say that.

my parents stayed together for 15 years for the sake of the children. it was terrible. even though things were hard financially after they split my life was better.

[Puzzledtraveller]

5. same old, same old

I know not to expect any real compassion of reason to come out his statements, he skirts certain issues toward the progressive angle but it's all just propaganda to offset his real feelings.

[KamaAina]

6. Shhhhhh! You'll upset the Pope's huge fan base!

[PeaceNikki]

7. But but but Pope Awesome said something nice once!!!

[trotsky]

33. He hugged a disfigured man!

Truly the most perfect human being on the planet!

[PeaceNikki]

34. He drives a Renault!!!!!1!!!

He ate lunch with people afflicted with "the gay" once!!!

[trotsky]

35. It makes me weep to think about what a perfect liberal he is!!!

KORESH BLESS POPE FRANK!

[PeaceNikki]

37. I'll pray for you.

This is one of the articles I like about this topic: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11362224/Pope-Francis-he-aint-no-liberal.-Beware-of-his-two-faces.html

[trotsky]

40. That's a great article.

There are a lot of people on DU who need to read it.

[PeaceNikki]

42. I know, but they won't.

[KamaAina]

101. And he lives in a convent, for crying out loud!!11!!1!

[Jamastiene]

66. I know.

There are a lot of people on DU who seem to think he shits rose petals and farts rainbows. I don't get it. He's just as much a raging homophobe as any right wing Bible Belt preacher.

[treestar]

85. Wow, that was nasty

Just plain mean.

[PeaceNikki]

86. Mean? What's "mean" is the leader of a billion followers who works to oppress women and LGBT.

pft, "mean".

[treestar]

90. He's not succeeding very well though

As with his predecessors, society has become more and more liberal over the last 100 years. I don't think he's working against women and LGBT so much as defending the old way and he's losing just like the rest of them.

But why can't we be happy he's rather liberal on economic issues and climate change?

As to the post I criticized, it was aimed at other DUers.

[PeaceNikki]

93. He's exactly as "liberal" on economic issues and climate change as his predecessors.

He's no friend to liberals and he is an oppressor of women and LGBT. Anyone who claims he is liberal or cheers on an oppressor is fair game for harsh criticism.

[treestar]

96. Really?

I don't recall the predecessors making themselves heard on economic or climate issues.

Libertarians are the opposite, good on social issues but bad on economic ones. I am sure you disdain them with equal ferocity, in spite of their good stands on social issues?

And my point stands that they are losing - no one is their victim as they are losing, flat out. They have no hope of seeing abortion illegal again and even Ireland allowed gay marriage. They are not a danger in that sense.

[PeaceNikki]

97. Well that's on you. Benedict wrote a damn book on it

ecomony:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2013/01/01/pope-benedict-slams-capitalism-economic-inequality

http://www.amazon.com/The-Crisis-Global-Capitalism-Encyclical/dp/160899368X

environment:
http://www.interfaithsustain.com/pope-benedict-xvi-on-the-environment/

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/3087/the_green_pope_and_a_human_ecology.aspx


Also, I have had the discussion with you on abortion rights. Your head is absolutely in the sand on that. Here was my response to you then: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026620528#post145

[ellisonz]

8. So Bernie Sanders is going to condemn the Pope right:

http://time.com/3661552/bernie-sanders-pope-francis/

[Betty Karlson]

107. I don't need Mr. Sanders to do that.

I'll take care of that condemnation myself.

Meanwhile, Sanders, Clinton et alii may agree with the pope on economic matters as much as they want.

[Lex]

9. So he thinks straight people are more okay with "differences" than gay folks?

OK. If you say so, Pope.

[gollygee]

11. This is such bullshit

Shame on him. Really. Kids just need to be loved and cared for.

[PowerToThePeople]

38. Agree.

I am a single parent, not a heterosexual couple. I can't love my son as well?

[Behind the Aegis]

12. Personally, this comes under "water is wet" type of news.

I am sure it will be a shock for some, but it isn't one for me.

[MohRokTah]

13. We some times must be reminded about how much of a POS bigot this pope really is.

Thanks.

[beam me up scottie]

14. Just the other day on DU we were told repeatedly he wasn't a homophobe.

Where are his defenders today?

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Run a poll.

It would be interesting to watch this get parsed as not being homophobic in much the same way another, similar post was in regards to marriage equality.

[beam me up scottie]

18. I posted 5 links to articles just like this and was still told I was wrong.

That debate was what inspired the poll about marriage equality.

Let me figure out how to word another poll...

[olddots]

15. hey he is the Pope

you expect too much from organized popieness ? Give the guy a break they'll catch up in a few thousand years ( maybe )

[HeiressofBickworth]

17. I'd rather have a couple of happy, well-adjusted gay parents

than the miserable, disfunctional mother and father I had. They also stayed together "for the kids" but even that didn't last once the oldest child (me) left home.

[6chars]

19. platitudes >> evidence ??? nt

[Arugula Latte]

20. Why do people listen to these ridiculous medieval "celibate" men in big hats?

The RCC's "girls are icky" poohbahs are utterly laughable.

[RKP5637]

30. Because they are stupid and can't look out of the box and lead their own lives. They

are sheep, followers, unable to think for themselves, generally victims of propaganda and brainwashing from birth!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

21. Did he actually say that, or is this article lying?

It contains various regrettable quotations from the Pope, but none to that effect.

[beam me up scottie]

24. According to the National Catholic Reporter:

Pope Francis on Sunday stressed the importance of children having heterosexual parents, just a day after Rome's gay pride march demonstrated the changing attitudes about same-sex couples outside the Vatican walls.

Addressing around 25,000 followers from the diocese of Rome, the pope said the differences between men and women are fundamental and "an integral part of being human."

The pope likened a long-lasting marriage to a good wine, in which a husband and wife make the most of their gender differences.

"They're not scared of the differences!" the pope said. "What great richness this diversity is, a diversity which becomes complementary, but also reciprocal. It binds them, one to the other."

Heterosexual marriages not only ensured couples' happiness, the pope said, but were deemed essential for good parenting.

http://ncronline.org/news/global/children-need-heterosexual-parents-pope-francis-says-after-gay-pride-march

Why would you think the op is lying?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

27. I think the headline is lying because you've just demonstrated that it is.

You've just shown that the pope *didn't* say that "Gay Parents Aren’t Capable Of Loving Children Like Straight Parents".

Yes, "Heterosexua marriages are deemed essential for good parenting." is bad, but it's not the same - not even remotely the same - as "Gay Parents Aren’t Capable Of Loving Children Like Straight Parents" - the article cited is, as I suspected, dishonestly putting words into his mouth.

Is it worth pointing that out? Yes, I think it is - always give the devil his due, and in particular don't tell such blatantly obvious direct lies about him that you'll undercut your case.

[beam me up scottie]

31. Bullshit. They didn't lie about anything.

They didn't put words in his mouth, they specifically quoted him in the article.

He said heterosexual couples make better parents, your nit picking is ridiculous.

[Gregorian]

22. Well at least he's right about climate change.

[Agony]

23. ignorance straight from god, apparently...

[LostOne4Ever]

25. Yet we will have another this pope is a great liberal thread anyday now

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]It is INFURIATING!

But I guess it is par for course when blatantly transphobic threads and post are left to stand...[/font]

[Glassunion]

47. On a technicality he is a liberal pope.

On a scale, from asshole (1) to awesome liberal (100) he is a 4. Which is 4x better than any other pope to date. The RNC candidates to date (6/16/15 8:25PM - cause it's changing by the minute) maybe rate at best a 3.

[LostOne4Ever]

48. That I agree with

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Ill take the one was not a nazi over the one who was.[/font]

[Glassunion]

50. Bingo

[treestar]

84. He is fairly liberal for a Pope

would not have expected him to be so on social issues, though.

[RKP5637]

28. WTF does he know about getting married and raising a family! What a bunch of unmitigated BS as usual

from this guy. F off pope, get off my lawn!

[JDPriestly]

29. Gibberish. Papal gibberish, but gibberish nevertheless.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. The quality of both the character and devotion of the Francis Fans on DU is demonstrated by their

habitual avoidance of threads featuring actual facts about their favorite leader of the religious right. They can't stand up for their hero but tomorrow they will make posts claiming he's a progressive leader again.

[Arugula Latte]

36. It's truly bizarre how many DUers are eager to slobber over the head of a blatantly

homophobic and misogynistic institution. So much for progressive-ness when it comes to Pope Awesome.

[PeaceNikki]

39. When they don't avoid, they deny. "He didn't say those exact words in English!"

[DisgustipatedinCA]

57. I like the Pope ok, and here I am. Why don't you complain more about the pope...

...and less about DUers? Your complaints, which are many, always, but ALWAYS go back to how you don't like the way DUers react to LGBT issues. Sure, you complain nonstop about the Pope too, but you make sure to always include DUers in your lists of the guilty. Why is that?

[MellowDem]

60. What other homophobic misogynists leading organizations...

that actively try to take away people's rights do you "like ok"? Religion gets some weird privilege and exemptions from people, that's for sure. It blows my mind anyone that's progressive would like the guy. I mean, I think Jeb is better than Cruz, but I don't like Jeb.

[Bluenorthwest]

75. Sauce for the Goose. These people and their Pope stand in loud judgement of LGBT, do they not?

The DUers who promote this bigoted man are not entitled to do so without challenge. Hypocrisy, such as your own as you personally attack me as an individual for having the guts to speak up for myself, must always be pointed out.
Who do you think you are to tell me what to do? What status do you feel you hold which gives you the right to attack me for speaking?

Why doesn't the Pope stop attacking LGBT people and why won't DUers stop siding with a bully from the religious right?
Your Pope says I am inherently disordered and my rights are Satan's idea. Anything I say short of that is pure kindness on my part.

[treestar]

82. Why can't I be glad about his other stances

while still condemning this?

[Bluenorthwest]

88. Feel free, if you are comforable associating yourself with a bigot because you like 'other stances'

No one said you couldn't. But I see lots of praise for him that is unmitigated by the facts of his right wing views on many issues.

I assume you would do the same for an openly racist preacher who had 'other stances' you like? If not, then that demonstrates your own bias, pure and simple.

[treestar]

89. I'm not associating myself with anyone

And can find grounds of common agreement even with "bigots." Where do you draw the line about how far people can disagree before they are not to be spoken to and are to be condemned even if they agree with you on something? Seems there are few people you can support. You can't vote for Hillary I assume. She was not for gay marriage soon enough.

Find an openly racist preacher with other than right wing economic and climate views.

For a Pope, it's progress. I would not expect a Pope to worry about climate change and be liberal on economics, so that's pleasant surprise. That he's still old School Catholic on social issues is not a surprise. And he doesn't run the world, and his stance on social issues has been losing for the past 50 years.

Hell my father and grandfather are "bigots." Though father is at 80 somewhat starting to think gay people are born that way. Am I supposed to stop "associating" with them? You view of the world is so isolationist that no one would ever "evolve" and things would stay the same as they were in the 19th century - if we refuse to "associate" with bigots then we have no chance to convince them otherwise.

[Solly Mack]

41. Fart noises.

[undeterred]

43. Metaphysical crap detector going off...

[hifiguy]

44. How can a guy who gets so much so right, primarily the science

and economics stuff, be so immune to getting with the times on this issue? It's not as though he is stupid.

[PeaceNikki]

45. He's not as correct as many think. Here's good article about him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11362224/Pope-Francis-he-aint-no-liberal.-Beware-of-his-two-faces.html

[PeaceNikki]

49. And another about how progressive he isn't.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7249020

[surrealAmerican]

46. He's trying very hard, but none of his analogies make sense.

The wine thing is a total puzzle - we take juice from grapes, and more grapes, mix them together and ferment - surely that more closely resembles same-sex marriage than it does opposite-sex marriage.

I seriously doubt that same-sex partners are more exactly alike than opposite-sex partners. The actual research does not show that they are any less effective parents.

[libodem]

51. Sorry, Pope

That doesn't stand the infallibility smell test.
Please seek higher divine direction.
I'm sure you misheard our Mother/Father Deity.
Listen again.
Love you,
libodem

[MADem]

52. Celibate priests, bishops, cardinals and popes aren't qualified to pass judgment on the sexually

active. Orientation is irrelevant. That's rule one.

Celibate priests, bishops, cardinals and popes aren't qualified to pass judgment on who is qualified to be a parent, since they aren't parents themselves and never will be--notwithstanding the touching performance by faux priest (and HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE FATHER) Bing Crosby in The Bells of St. Mary's, and Going My Way, or inveterate drunkard, nice guy/lousy real life husband/father Spencer Tracy in Boys' Town.

That's rule two.

They are--some of them, and some not--qualified to be teachers, but when it comes to changing diapers, making oatmeal, checking homework, listening to, and empathizing with, childish concerns--those people ARE NOT QUALIFIED.

And they should stop talking like they are.

When celibate religious people adopt and raise children, then maybe they can talk. Until then, their opinions are amusing, noted, curious, offensive, whatever...but they aren't RELEVANT.

[Monk06]

53. He's throwing a bone to the RW before his US visit in September. Pretty cynical move.

[Humanist_Activist]

54. Uhm, no he isn't, he's being honest, this has always been his position...

he also campaigns and speaks out against marriage equality.

[Monk06]

56. While that's true this public announcement ahead of his US visit is to placate the religious right

in the US who are pissed at him for his statements on environmental morality and the un sustainability of the Capitalist status quo.

The last thing he wants is to lose the support of the evangelicals who already distrust Catholics.

[Humanist_Activist]

58. The only thing he works with evangelicals on is to fight marriage equality and fighting for...

pro-discrimination laws against LGBT people in this country and worldwide.

His statements on the environment and capitalism are in line with at least the previous 2 Popes. Nothing radically different, or different at all, here.

[PeaceNikki]

71. Not true. He also works with them to oppress women.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11362224/Pope-Francis-he-aint-no-liberal.-Beware-of-his-two-faces.html

[Humanist_Activist]

100. Dammit, forgot to mention that! Thanks. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

74. Vatican Strengthens Ties with Evangelicals and Mormons Against Gay Marriage-Time Magazine,

"In a month when papal conversation about marriage has been all the rage, the Vatican is enlisting a new set of allies to support its commitment to marriage between a man and a woman: American evangelicals and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The presence of American evangelicals and the LDS Church was particularly notable. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, and Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, each gave speeches, and representatives from the Heritage Foundation and the Family Research Council in Washington attended. President Henry Eyring of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ first presidency spoke and Elder Tom Perry of the LDS’s Quorum of the Twelve also joined. In the United States, this trio of faiths has worked together to stand against the government’s Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate, but it was the first time they were coming together at the Vatican to talk about marriage.

Adds Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council: “The atmosphere was almost euphoric as the attendees from six of the world’s seven continents broke from the historic gathering to return to their respective nations renewed in their stand for marriage,” he says. “The courts may declare otherwise, and Hollywood may depict its demise, but the union of a man and a woman as the natural and enduring definition of marriage will endure until the end.”
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

Of course the Pope Promoters ignore the truth and spout whatever spin they wish and they call that Godly.

[PeaceNikki]

55. He's not progressive. Even a little.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116056/progressives-who-love-pope-francis-are-abandoning-women-and-gay-rights


http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9112081/the-fantasy-francis/

[AnnieBW]

59. Just when I started to like Pope Frank.

He goes and says stupid shit like this.

[Arugula Latte]

61. As Public Enemy said ...

"Don't believe the hype."

[libodem]

62. Dear Pope

On some stuff you are my hero:http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/16/limbaugh-the-pope-doesnt-even-disguise-his-marx/204015

Please come around with with the other stuff where you are wrong.

[JEB]

63. Bull fucking shit, Mr Pope. And you know it. eom

[Gloria]

64. He always seems to snatch "progress" away just in the nick of time...

It's like being pulled along and then being let down deliberately.

This guy is a master of manipulation....and he's plopping down here in the U.S. right in them iddle of the Presidential campaign...UGH

[Jamastiene]

65. I don't get why so many on the left try to claim

he is not a homophobe....because he is. Every time you turn around, he is saying more typical right wing stupid shit against gay people. I got news for him. Kids do a hell of a lot better in families that love them and don't subject them to the hideous parts of that religion, whether they are straight, gay, bi, or whatever.

After a while, you would think all these homophobic type Christians would start following the New Testament, instead of wallowing in the Old Testament and using the Bible to point fingers away from their own guilt for doing shit they shouldn't be doing. Where I live, most of them eat rabbits. Bible says that is an abomination too. Why don't the right wing asshole types quit eating rabbits and raping kids instead of pointing their fingers at gay people? It's bullshit. You got pedo priests and pedo Duggars. From now on, in my mind, all of the homophobic ones are child molesters trying to get the attention off themselves....until proven otherwise. I've seen too much of it down here in the Bible Belt, first hand, to believe otherwise. Never trust a religious homophobe. They are hiding some hideous shit they do to kids.

[trotsky]

70. "Kids do a hell of a lot better in families that love them"

You said it. They definitely don't belong in religions that teach that homosexuality is "intrinsically (and) objectively disordered."

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357

[Bluenorthwest]

72. On DU the same people who promote the Pope run that whole 'economic versus social issues' scam

on DU. It's a fact.

[Jamastiene]

80. I think I have seen what you are talking about too.

They are so transparent. It is something that is hard to un-notice once you notice it. I'm surprised so many are fooled by them.

[Betty Karlson]

67. God damn him to Hell!

That's enough hate-mongering for the rest of the year AT LEAST. F*cking homophobic piece of crap.

[RKP5637]

68. K&R!!! n/t

[City Lights]

73. Baloney! nt

[riversedge]

76. That headline is deceptive...

I know it is not yours.


Still, it does seem when I want to like this POPE--he tosses a hot rock into my hand. Crap. He really needs to educate himself about gay parenting before he opens his mouth again and looks more foolish.

[PeaceNikki]

77. What you *want* is a fantasy

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9112081/the-fantasy-francis/

[riversedge]

79. No, I am realistic--I do know no Catholic Pope will

will ever change his mind --will always be against certain social issues--gay, women's reproductive health, marriage equality ect...

But I give him credit for his recent climate pronouncements.

[PeaceNikki]

87. It's the same ideals that all previous popes have supported as well. Nothing new or revolutionary.

The problem is that we hold religious leaders to a very different standard than secular.

[RKP5637]

78. He's clueless on this one and basically is spreading hatred. n/t

[treestar]

81. I don't agree with him but don't see where he said what the OP title says

The whole right wing must have two parents of opposite genders is demonstrably untrue. If the father is an abuser, a single mother or two mothers is better. It's the quality of the parents, not their gender. You can have two shitty parents of opposite gender. The right wingers oversimplify as usual.

[Bluenorthwest]

92. The Pope is speaking boiler plate right wing bullshit because he is of the right wing.

He is saying 'must have two parents of opposite genders' very clearly. Which you both say is demonstrably untrue and right wing.

[treestar]

94. But there is no quote about being capable of loving

And I did not say anything right wing. Good grief, where did you get that out of my post? You have the most strict and odd way of interpreting other people, almost hoping they will be homophobic so you can jump on them.

[rurallib]

83. The screaming , the fighting, the occasional punch

the cheating, me being left alone most of the time.
Yep, doubt a homosexual couple could have shown love like that to me.

[MineralMan]

91. Could he be more out of touch?

Clearly, his lack of experience and position in a completely male-dominated organization has clouded his judgment.

[truebrit71]

95. What did Franky the Wonder Pope do now?

He can't help himself, he says 1 good thing (climate change is real and urgently needs to be addressed) but then comes out and says Hetero = good, Homo = bad....

All those liberals that fall over themselves to heap praise on this guy need to remind themselves about which organisation he represents, an historically misogynistic, homophobic criminal organisation that has caused death and misery for tens of millions of people, probably hundreds of millions, throughout human history.

The fact that he once in a while says something sensible shouldn't be seen as a surprise, even a blind squirrel occasionally stumbles over an acorn...

[fadedrose]

98. Children can be raised successfully in a one-parent home

If there are no parties trying to gain custody of them, and if the one parent loves them and the kids feel that love and get even a minimum of care.

A dog and a cat wouldn't hurt either....

[merrily]

102. Not fer nuttin', but how the hell would he know?

Has he been a hetero parent or a gay parent?

Has he studied children raised by gay parents vs. children raised by one or two hetero parents? Is he even qualified to conduct such a study?

BTW, these are not children who would likely have had hetero parents. In the case of surrogacy, they would not have been born at all. In the case of adoption, their other choice might have been a series of foster homes, good or bad, followed by being dumped out of the system at 18.

BTW, what is this idyllic, loving two parent home he sees children growing to maturity in?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

103. How the hell did this thread reach 100+ posts with no-one else noticing that it never happened?

Pope Francis did not say that "Gay Parents Aren’t Capable Of Loving Children Like Straight Parents", or even anything that could be interpreted as implying that.

The article the OP links just found some other, bad but not as bad, homophobic remarks that he had made, and added a wholly fictional title to them.

And no-one seems to have noticed. Is fact-checking really that hard?

[PeaceNikki]

104. Not my headline, and I didn't put it in quotes.

This is from the original article:

"Heterosexual marriages not only ensured couples’ happiness, the pontiff said, but were deemed essential for good parenting."


Close enough for me. He's says that gays cannot be good parents.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

105. The Pope is like a baseball hitter

He connects pretty regularly but once in a while swings and misses!

[PeaceNikki]

106. MMmmmmm, nope.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11362224/Pope-Francis-he-aint-no-liberal.-Beware-of-his-two-faces.html

[HuckleB]

108. How did so many DUers miss this?

Yes, this Pope is not all that. It's time to wake up, DU!