TPA winning

[ucrdem]

I'll be danged

[Harmony Blue]

1. It is over

the clapping gave it away.

Stick a fork in us.

[ucrdem]

2. Not sure if it's a motion to vote or the vote ....

I guess we'll see ...

[newfie11]

3. Damn it!!!!!

[ananda]

5. Yeah, very painful!

Oh dear.

[Cooley Hurd]

4. Voted down: House Democrats Hand Obama Embarrassing Defeat on Trade Deal

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-12/obama-s-fast-track-trade-bill-vote-scuttled-by-house-democrats

[JaneyVee]

7. Democrats just got played.

[ucrdem]

9. Looks TAA lost but will be reconsidered and TPA won...

I think...

[tritsofme]

6. It appears they will revote on TAA.

It will be interesting to see if Republican votes save the measure. Talk about strange bedfellows.

[ucrdem]

8. TPA passed, TAA will be reconsidered

per CSPAN... so may I cautiously say

[Robbins]

10. well i can see now why your clinton supporter

you love trade bills and hate unions and working people.

[Elwood P Dowd]

20. Some people worship the likes of CATO, Business Roundtable, RNC, Heritage, and all the other

groups (certain DINOS) that support the giant corps and the billionaires on Wall Street. The very people who were behind this fake free trade bill that was nothing but an outsourcing and corporate takeover scam.

[Robbins]

27. Your right on that

corporations,wall street,and banks+top 1% win again while the rest of us lose.

Intill we have fair trade these trade bills are nothing but helping corporations outsource and give them them more power.

[ucrdem]

36. CATO wasn't for it. Google it.

I doubt if the others were either but I never checked. Basically CATO was on the fence last time I looked.

[Iliyah]

21. Oh please. Even HRC supporters varies with support for and against it.

[Hoyt]

46. Well, all 11 countries in the TPP, all the European countries in the TPIP -- including Sanders'

Scandinavian favorites -- and more are party to these agreements.

So I guess all of them have leaders who are just stupid and planning on selling their citizens/working-people into slavery, destroying their health care systems, destroying their domestic corporations, etc..

The whole world is against us. Jeeez.

[marmar]

11. TAA only got 126 yes votes .......

..... even if reconsidered, it looks like it's going down, again.

[PowerToThePeople]

12. Taa will not pass

Why would they change their votes? Who came up with this bullshit?

[whathehell]

52. Boehner insisted on a re-vote. n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

56. Repukes want TPP bad

It they can fund TAA with Medicare funds, they may concede that to turn us all into modern day slaves.

[whathehell]

57. Yes and that's what scares me..

I think the "modern day slaves" thing IS the end goal...

Twenty years ago it would have sounded like some freaking futuristic conspiracy theory,

but I can honestly see no other end goal, especially because they're trying to push this on Europe as well.

It feels like the Ultimate war between fascism and the people and it scares me.

[Prism]

14. Doesn't matter

If I'm reading the rules negotiated right, if TAA failed, then TPA will not go to the President - even if it passes.

So, since the TAA failed, the TPA vote is merely symbolic.

That's if I'm understanding this correctly.

[PowerToThePeople]

15. Good.

Was TAA an expansion bill or?

[Prism]

22. It was meant to smooth the process

Since Democrats are typically supportive of the TAA as an assistance program for displaced workers, the voting rules made the TPA's passage contingent on the TAA passing. They figured there was no way TAA would fail, because Democrats would never vote against it.

Someone miscalculated.

[PowerToThePeople]

26. What does it do to current TAA?

Anything?

[Prism]

31. It's going to depend on how the Senate reconciles it

At present, the answer is: We don't know what will happen with TAA.

It's a risky game the Dems are playing. It could very well end in the TAA being killed with TPA still passing. That's one possibility. Have to wait and see ;/

[PowerToThePeople]

34. Republicans control congress

Of course they will kill any safety net program they can while giving handouts to megacorps. Obvious is obvious.

[Prism]

35. There are enough Dems in the Senate to block it

If they so choose.

It'll be a nail-biter, either way.

[ucrdem]

18. TAA is apparently going to be reconsidered . . .

I think that must have been what Pelosi was going on about

[Prism]

25. Yeah, I don't know what that means

Pelosi said she didn't want TPA going to the President at this time.

Does reconsideration mean a revote? And does a revote in favor of TAA mean the TPA is then approved for the President?

I admit, I'm not entirely following the structure of the rules they negotiated here.

[ucrdem]

29. Session on Monday June 15 just announced

So I guess it isn't over til it's over but from the point of view of TPP proponents it sounds like it's in the bag.

[Prism]

32. I need an ELI5! lol (n/t)

[Dawgs]

17. Why would you be cheering? You can't possibly know what's in it.

And almost every Democrat leader, organization, or anyone with half a brain is against it.

Or, maybe it's that hero worship thing that's blinding you.

This is a very sad day for America.

[ucrdem]

24. I know what's in it.

It's an improvement on NAFTA, it will supercharge the Obama recovery, everyone will prosper, and we'll all blame Obama for some misfortune or other.

Anyway to find out more about TPP click the "TPP At-a-Gance" link in my signature which goes to a DU post with a 3-sentence summary and 14 carefully labeled DU links.

[Dawgs]

30. Exactly. Blind and ignorant. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

41. Alert results

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Exactly. Blind and ignorant. n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6822874

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[Dawgs]

47. LOL! I love this place. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. A bit of an overstatement, don't ya think?

Moreover, there is a discernible partisan split in support for specific trade agreements now under negotiation. According to another Pew Research poll, more than half the American public thinks both TPP and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), an Obama administration trade and investment initiative with the European Union, would be good for the country. But Democrats and Republicans disagree on their merits. Just 49% of Republicans back TPP and only 44% support TTIP. Democrats are more supportive of both TTIP (60%) and TPP (59%).

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/01/08/americans-agree-on-trade-good-for-the-country-but-not-great-for-jobs/

So nearly 2/3 of Democrats are blinded by "hero worship"?

[Dawgs]

38. Yes. That's exactly right.

And, do you honestly think the average American has any clue about the TPP at all?

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. You sound pretty average. Do you know what's in it?

[ucrdem]

13. Currency manipulation bill winning easily . . .

[Iliyah]

16. Whats the difference?

[ucrdem]

19. I think this was an important Dem amendment

I can't figure out what happened to TAA except that it shouldn't have been split off like that.

[neverforget]

23. The package deal failed as all 3 had to pass. However it looks like there will

be a revote next week on TAA

[ucrdem]

28. Thank you.

The currency bill just passed 240-190 it looks like.

[ucrdem]

37. Final TPA vote: 219-211 per CSPAN

Can't find a single article about it in Google News ... plenty about TAA failure though LOL

[Rex]

39. Yeah look at all those republicans voting for it.

227...so why are we agreeing with the GOP now? I forget.

[ucrdem]

42. Because trade is bipartisan.

It benefits everyone and if TAA had passed that would include displaced workers. But it'll be in there after next week's vote.

[Rex]

44. So now the GOP is all for equal rights for workers? When did that happen?

I don't remember them ever voting for something that helped workers.

[n2doc]

48. By that measure repealing the ACA is "bipartisan" n/t

[Robbins]

51. Yep it's bi partisan to screw workers and unions for corporate trade deals

it's same old story.

[whathehell]

54. +10000 n/t

[whathehell]

53. Um, not this trade bill..

As has been stated numerous times, no one is against trade, they are against THIS trade bill.

[Robbins]

43. Because corproate Dems are GOP lite

Obama works with bohener and attacks elizabeth warren.

Hillary is for it too but too cowardly to admit.

corporate dems love corporations and hate unions and working people.

[Rex]

45. It is funny watching people here that at one time demanded party loyalty

now tell me they agree with 227 republicans and it is a great thing.

Very amusing.

[bigwillq]

49. ......

[ucrdem]

50. It would be better if it were unanimous

but a win is better than a loss, yes, and it turns out that all those bipartisan gestures that Obama gets bashed here for regularly came in handy in a tight spot. Gee who could have predicted that?

[LondonReign2]

55. And here we have a Democratic discussion board where some members cheer

a Republican piece of legislation that the majority of Democrats oppose.

OK