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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:17 AM Jun 2015

The NSA is temporarily restarting bulk collection of call records

When Congress stalled out on Sunday, surveillance reformers scored a symbolic but tangible victory. Without legal authorization, the NSA was forced to shut down bulk collection just before 8PM that night. Now, with the USA Freedom Act signed into law, assuring the eventual shutdown of the program, it's unexpectedly coming back online.

The Guardian is reporting that, after the brief hiatus imposed by Congress, the NSA is gearing up to bring the call records collection system back online. It's possible because of a provision in the USA Freedom Act which gives the agency six months before it needs to get rid of the program entirely. The bill was drafted with the assumption that USA Freedom would pass before the Patriot Act expired, so the six-month extension was included to give the NSA time to prepare. No one expected that, having shut down the program in the interim, the NSA would use that provision as an excuse to start it up again.

The restarted collection is only temporary. The NSA is still legally obligated to shut down the program in December, and it's unlikely that Congress or the president will do anything to extend that deadline. Still, it's a reminder of how committed the NSA is to sustaining the program, even temporarily, and how difficult a road reformers face trying to get the agency to give up more powerful programs like web metadata collection or PRISM.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/3/8725269/nsa-call-records-bulk-collection-usa-freedom-act

Temporarily?

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randome

(34,845 posts)
2. PRISM is just a GUI for analyzing information provided by Internet companies.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jun 2015

Stopping the NSA from using software is just...stupid.

Stopping the metadata collection -eventually- is more of the same since the NSA will coordinate with all the telecom companies to enable real-time searches of their data when they have a warrant.

This makes the entire process subject to hacking and interception and more easily prone to telecom employee malfeasance so I don't see it as a better alternative.
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A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
10. While all of your post was funny, the last part was especially hillarious.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jun 2015
This makes the entire process subject to hacking and interception and more easily prone to telecom employee malfeasance so I don't see it as a better alternative.


Exactly we can't have anyone hacking and intercepting the data we are already hacking and intercepting. We can't let anyone else trample on the rights of the people we are trampling on the rights of.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Storing the metadata in a black box system is better than real-time access.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jun 2015

It makes sense to have the metadata available. If a terrorist attack occurred, don't you think it would make sense to see what other phone numbers the suspects were calling?

And if the metadata can't be accessed without a warrant, that's not a bad system. It's like storing store receipts in case of an emergency recall.

Always absent -of course- evidence of abuse. And Snowden has not shown that.
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A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
12. Some of us would say that Snowden showed the abuse and that the courts agree that
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

the mass collection of data is illegal. It should be hard to say that what Snowden did himself was not abuse of the system.

As for other examples of abuse there are examples out there you could do a search for them. Below is just one article to get you started.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/08/23/bloomberg_report_nsa_employees_have_deliberately_abused_their_power.html
There are many more examples of abuse.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. Every large organization has examples of abuse.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 03:06 PM
Jun 2015

If the NSA discovers it, admits to it and punishes those responsible, they're behaving like any other law enforcement agency.

What I meant is evidence of system-wide abuse. You could even say that Snowden abused his position to steal documents and flee the country. But he has shown nothing that reveals the NSA is using data to deliberately spy on American citizens.
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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
5. "No one expected the Spanish Inquisition"
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jun 2015
No one expected that, having shut down the program in the interim, the NSA would use that provision as an excuse to start it up again.


I fully expect the National Spy Agency to do anything and everything it can do to continue mass surveillance.
dunno why "no one" was surprised.

malthaussen

(17,194 posts)
7. Does anyone really believe they "stopped," anyway?
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jun 2015

Passing a law doesn't stop anything. Maybe they had some people take a cosmetic break to score some points.

-- Mal

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
13. My insider sources put up this food for thought.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jun 2015

Some in the CIA are really good patriots as we know... there are whistle blowers.
and Snowden was asked to go to Boz Allen to expose them is the reason he left the CIA .
Some in the CIA thought the private sector was taking over.

Like I said....... food for thought.

lark

(23,099 posts)
9. Obama left all the Bush implants in place.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 01:28 PM
Jun 2015

Of course they'd continue to do this. Sadly, Obama also supports this invasion of privacy.

dickthegrouch

(3,173 posts)
16. I'm so disappointed that the constitutional scholar isn't
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:10 PM
Jun 2015

Why so many are incapable of understanding that 300,000,000 warrants need to be signed is beyond me.
Sure it's tedious and probably would give one a bad case of carpal tunnel, but it's the law.

I want to see a discovery request for the Judge's signature on the search warrant or else the State has no standing to bring any case, AND ALL the evidence illegally gathered is tossed. That's the law.

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