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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:19 PM Jun 2015

Poll Finds 80% Of REPUBLICANS Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United





Sen. Bernie Sanders is often characterized by the media as an out of the mainstream presidential candidate, but a new CBS/New York Times poll revealed that 80% of Republicans agree with Sanders on the issue of getting money out of politics.


The CBS/NYT poll found that:

– 80% of Republicans believe that money has too much influence in our politics.

– 54% believed that most of the time candidates directly help those who gave money to them.

– 81% of Republicans felt that the campaign finance system needed fundamental changes (45%) or a complete rebuild (36%).

– 64% are pessimistic that changes will be made to reform the campaign finance system.

– 71% want to limit the amount that individuals can give to campaigns.

– 73% felt that super PAC spending should be limited by law.

– 76% thought that superPACs should be required to disclose their donors.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/02/us/politics/money-in-politics-poll.html?_r=0



All of these positions are held by Bernie Sanders, and the opinion of the majority on each question is the exact opposite of the reasoning used by the majority of the Supreme Court in the Citizens United decision. Where Republicans differ from the rest of the country is that a substantial number (48%) believe that money is free speech, and they believe that both parties benefit equally (62%), but among those who picked a party that benefitted more, they felt that Democrats (24%) benefitted more from the current campaign finance system than Republicans (6%). Fifty-five percent of Independents and 53% of Democrats felt that money is not free speech. Fifty-two percent of Democrats believe that Republicans benefit more from the current system.



This is unprecedented and it is the most savage attack against American democracy, and the concept of one person, one vote that we have seen in our lifetime, and what it is is saying if you are a billionaire, you can buy elections. You can by politicians, and by the way, on the floor of the Senate, on the floor of the House, you can intimidate members, because you will be saying to them if you are going to vote against Wall Street, or the insurance companies, or the military industrial complex, you just do that, and we’re going to have millions of dollars in thirty-second ads in your state this weekend.”

So this whole effort to put huge unprecedented unbelievable amounts of money is the one percent saying look, we’re not content that the top one percent owns forty percent of the wealth. We want more. We want more. We want more, and we’re going to buy the political process to get what we want. So this is the worst assault on the basic democratic traditions which have made our country great that you and I have seen in our lifetimes, and what it means, we have to overturn Citizens United. We have to pass a disclose bill, disclosure legislation next month, which at the very least forces these CEOs to get on television when they do a negative ad, and say I approve this message, and it forces us to know who is contributing.


Overall, 84% of Americans agree with Bernie Sanders that money has too much influence in U.S. politics. Seventy-five percent favor donor disclosure and 77% favor limiting contributions. Hillary Clinton and President Obama also favor getting the money out of politics, but both of them have been forced to raise huge sums of money in order to be competitive.



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http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/02/poll-finds-80-republicans-agree-bernie-sanders-citizens-united.html
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Poll Finds 80% Of REPUBLICANS Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United (Original Post) Segami Jun 2015 OP
K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #1
One of the few times they get something right... I agree with them on this issue too. GummyBearz Jun 2015 #2
but how many of them will still vote republican. DesertFlower Jun 2015 #3
Look at their choices in the clown car. Of course some would vote for Bernie over those idiots. L0oniX Jun 2015 #8
let's hope so. nt DesertFlower Jun 2015 #9
That, plus those who will support the Democratic Nominee, Volaris Jun 2015 #17
So many Democrats voted for Reagan TM99 Jun 2015 #13
Especially considering the way their candidates are kissing up to billionaires for campaign cash arcane1 Jun 2015 #15
I agree TM99 Jun 2015 #22
The ones who won't fall for god, guns, and gays BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #18
One issue wcollar Jun 2015 #30
It is in part, about connecting the dots..he does a great job of that. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #4
If Bernie is just talking about dark money... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jun 2015 #5
Republican neighbor of mine has nice things to say about Bernie. Wilms Jun 2015 #6
I can't wait to see how this new "debate format" Bernie has put out...and the tantalizing thought libdem4life Jun 2015 #7
is there a backstory about him possibly going Raine1967 Jun 2015 #11
He was on Rachel ...strongly "inferred" it and she carried it through. libdem4life Jun 2015 #14
God, I'd love it if he could do that. Marr Jun 2015 #29
Yes. He is a Rabblerouser...going to shake a few from their comfy or lofty positions. libdem4life Jun 2015 #31
Thanks for this. I want to say something: Raine1967 Jun 2015 #10
Yes BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #19
The people who say "Bernie can't win"... thesquanderer Jun 2015 #12
If it is true that Bernie simply cannot win because he can't financially compete, NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #16
80% of Republicans have no clue what their party stands for tk2kewl Jun 2015 #20
But they're only supposed to ask 1% of Republicans. nt valerief Jun 2015 #21
So why did they vote for the crap? Are they forgiven? Nope. lonestarnot Jun 2015 #23
^^^^THIS^^^^ freshwest Jun 2015 #24
PEOPLE. DON'T. VOTE. BASED. ON. ISSUES. Recursion Jun 2015 #25
Well just what is it they base their vote? lonestarnot Jun 2015 #32
When I was a Christian, my pastor told his flock how to vote -- and they obeyed. nt NCjack Jun 2015 #33
So you belonged to a cult or some such then? lonestarnot Jun 2015 #34
Yes, I was. Specifics: SE Texas, 1950s. Became a Baptist at 10 and excommunicated at 18. I was NCjack Jun 2015 #37
In that case ... staggerleem Jun 2015 #35
Yes, that was one of the smaller hypocrisies. NCjack Jun 2015 #38
Bernie is also very strong on veteran's issues CrawlingChaos Jun 2015 #26
First, a majority of Americans of all political views agree with Bernie on many issues. merrily Jun 2015 #27
Good. lovemydog Jun 2015 #28
If you could get them to be honest with themselves ... staggerleem Jun 2015 #36

Volaris

(10,296 posts)
17. That, plus those who will support the Democratic Nominee,
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jun 2015

That's the election right there.
We do this one right, and we can win this bitch walkin' away from a mike drop, with both middle fingers in the air.


 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
13. So many Democrats voted for Reagan
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:52 PM
Jun 2015

that the title Reagan Democrat was created.

I would not be surprised in the least if a significant enough block of Republicans get the title Sander Republican in the 2016 general.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. Especially considering the way their candidates are kissing up to billionaires for campaign cash
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jun 2015

It's going to turn off a lot of voters, who will either stay home on election day, or try something new.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
18. The ones who won't fall for god, guns, and gays
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jun 2015

And who don't think their taxes will go up. That's all they care about. But by the time Fox is done with the red scare and anti-semitism, I don't think too many. Unless it's Ben Carson, and then they'll be in a hatred Catch 22.

The best thing Republicans can do is stay home.

wcollar

(177 posts)
30. One issue
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 08:21 AM
Jun 2015

I agreed with Rand Paul on the "Patriot" Act, but there is no way in Hell that I'd vote for him.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. It is in part, about connecting the dots..he does a great job of that.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jun 2015

The street fighting man mensch...Bernie.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
6. Republican neighbor of mine has nice things to say about Bernie.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jun 2015

Liked that Bernie was turning down PACs. Whoa.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
7. I can't wait to see how this new "debate format" Bernie has put out...and the tantalizing thought
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jun 2015

that he neither answered nor denied, that he might "go rogue" and somehow create a situation...outside the two parties...where Rs and Ds could debate. He did give a little smile/smirk. My mind is wondering who could create a structure for this series of events, kind of like the Women's League of Voters before they got so disgusted and gave up. It would apparently to go on for some time...to give each Republican a chance to make his/her case. Being they are saying the same thing, it wouldn't take long to figure that out, and Hillary would have a tough time and O'Malley, who knows.

I'll be he could get Rand Paul in on it...the outside the party candidates. A free for all...like the British Parliament...I love watching them. Old Bernie, the Rabblerouser.

Just call it free campaign speeches...maybe just the cost of the venue and the organizers.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
11. is there a backstory about him possibly going
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jun 2015

'rogue'?

is there a link to media source for this idea? I am asking to know if he was actually asked a question regarding this idea.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
29. God, I'd love it if he could do that.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 07:03 AM
Jun 2015

If he manages to gain enough traction before the official debates start, then the party refusing to let him into the DNC debate because of that exclusivity rule would only play into his narrative.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
10. Thanks for this. I want to say something:
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:35 PM
Jun 2015

I am sick and damned tired of polls being presented in the prism of the Republican POV.

thesquanderer

(12,020 posts)
12. The people who say "Bernie can't win"...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:40 PM
Jun 2015

...don't say it because they think he's out of touch on the issues. He's great on the issues. At least as good as Elizabeth Warren, who everyone thought could be a contender, and he's got lots more experience to boot. His positions aren't the issue. It's the stuff on the periphery. The socialist label, the "most liberal" identification, maybe age, maybe religion, maybe that he's not courting/getting big money. But the more people hear him, the more we can get away from the reasons the establishment says he can't win. The debates could be huge for him.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
16. If it is true that Bernie simply cannot win because he can't financially compete,
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jun 2015

then "Government of the people, by the people, for the people," has surely perished from the Earth.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
25. PEOPLE. DON'T. VOTE. BASED. ON. ISSUES.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 03:15 AM
Jun 2015

I don't know how many times people have to be "astounded" by polls like this before that will sink in.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
37. Yes, I was. Specifics: SE Texas, 1950s. Became a Baptist at 10 and excommunicated at 18. I was
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 06:12 PM
Jun 2015

lucky to have such a short run. Was tutored on how to register DEM and vote conservative in primary. (At that time, conservative DEMs ran Texas.)

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
35. In that case ...
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015

... then your old church should be paying taxes. That was the deal LBJ made, after passing the Civil Rights Act - you southern pastors keep politics off the pulpit, and we'll let you slide on taxes. Preaching how to vote voids that agreement.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
26. Bernie is also very strong on veteran's issues
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 03:35 AM
Jun 2015

Maybe I'm naive, but I'm thinking Bernie's message of taxing billionaires to provide care for returning veterans could resonate with some Republicans.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. First, a majority of Americans of all political views agree with Bernie on many issues.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 06:26 AM
Jun 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12777036

However, hoping for a Constitutional amendment that will repeal the Citizens' United decision in its entirety is a pipe dream, IMO.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12776799

As far as money in politics, remember, all we had BEFORE Citizens' United was McCain Feingold, a purely voluntary law against which Obama opted and even McCain did not adhere fully. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/world/americas/27iht-27plane.12375296.html?_r=0

I'd settle for repealing only the part that says corporations are people, but I doubt even that would make it out of Congress.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
28. Good.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 06:55 AM
Jun 2015

I think Sanders has a real good message for a lot of republicans and independents. They should consider supporting him. They should abandon the republican party in droves.

All the republican party ever seems to focus on is divisive culture issues. If more people wake up they will start to understand that democratic socialists are on their side, against the super elitist interests that republican politicians favor.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
36. If you could get them to be honest with themselves ...
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jun 2015

... I think you'd find that MANY Republicans agree with Bernie about a LOT of things!

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