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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:25 PM Jun 2015

American woman killed by lion at wildlife park had her window all the way down against policy

A lion killed an American woman and injured a man driving through a private wildlife park in Johannesburg on Monday, a park official said.

The attack occurred at around 2:30 p.m. when a lioness approached the passenger side of the vehicle as the woman took photos and then lunged, said Scott Simpson, assistant operations manager at the Lion Park.

"They had their windows all the way down, which is strictly against policy," he said. "The lion bit the lady through the window." The driver then tried to punch the lion and was scratched by the animal.


Park staff quickly chased the lion away from the car and an ambulance arrived promptly. "Unfortunately, she did pass away," said Simpson, adding that the U.S. Embassy had been informed.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/South-African-media-report-tourist-killed-in-lion-6299075.php

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American woman killed by lion at wildlife park had her window all the way down against policy (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 OP
Geez...Lady...They're not very large Kitty Cats. They're handsome monsters that eat large things. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #1
Yup. You do not get careless around 300-500 pound carnivorous predators. hifiguy Jun 2015 #29
That's very sad. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #2
Apparently she didn't see the "Don't Feed the Animals" sign? brooklynite Jun 2015 #3
In another article I read, park staff claim signage is everywhere - closeupready Jun 2015 #6
She was on a listening tour CentralMass Jun 2015 #4
Sounds like Aerows Jun 2015 #30
who came up with idea of drive thru wildlife parks ? olddots Jun 2015 #5
They're fine if you keep your windows up. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #13
Shouldn't tourism efforts to view such creatures alive make more profit... countryjake Jun 2015 #18
Some movie director, trying out an amber-based monster idea. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #26
Steven Spielberg and Michael Crichton bigwillq Jun 2015 #27
You need revenue to create and maintain land for wildlife conservation NickB79 Jun 2015 #41
The last shot in the camera has got to be pretty interesting. TwilightGardener Jun 2015 #7
from reports it was Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #40
How awful. It is difficult to understand how she was unafraid, they're huge and their teeth are huge Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #8
probably let her guard down. Didn't realize how fast they can move. Lion probably "faked her out" Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #9
Many years ago, during the late '60s, there was a park RebelOne Jun 2015 #10
We went there when I was a kid back in the early 1970s! Even then, I knew bullwinkle428 Jun 2015 #11
We had something like that in NJ too. It was called Jungle Habitat smokey nj Jun 2015 #12
Went to Lion Country Safari with a school exboyfil Jun 2015 #19
Drove through Longleat in England. I hadn't realized how big tigers are! WinkyDink Jun 2015 #22
while stationed in Anchorage AK in the onethatcares Jun 2015 #23
I just hope there are no consequences for the lioness. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #14
Since she didn't actually eat the woman TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #15
I think that I read the park will not destroy her. closeupready Jun 2015 #16
Of course not. People won't pay money to see where the lion used to live. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #21
There's a very good reason why rolled windows & locked doors... countryjake Jun 2015 #17
that gives an entirely different onethatcares Jun 2015 #25
I envisioned her signaling to the other lions, "Now watch this." countryjake Jun 2015 #36
"Oh my gosh, I didn't know they could do that!!" The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #28
That was my thought when I'd first seen the video... countryjake Jun 2015 #32
My house cat knows how to open doors. Cleita Jun 2015 #33
GAH! alphafemale Jun 2015 #35
Or...more likely... countryjake Jun 2015 #37
People. cwydro Jun 2015 #20
I've been on safari in open trucks mainer Jun 2015 #24
Lion CUBS Aerows Jun 2015 #31
this is sad, but wtf? these are large animals that are not domesticated. samsingh Jun 2015 #34
Seems like keeping the windows down might be typical behaviour for visitors Chathamization Jun 2015 #38
That fool still didn't even roll up the window after ducking back inside! nt tblue37 Jun 2015 #39
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
29. Yup. You do not get careless around 300-500 pound carnivorous predators.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:59 PM
Jun 2015

The lion was just doing what lions will do.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
6. In another article I read, park staff claim signage is everywhere -
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jun 2015

don't feed the animals, leave windows rolled up, lock the doors, etc. but that visitors simply will not obey the rules.

I'm sorry for her loved ones, but this is like riding a motorbike without a helmet, or extreme rock climbing.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. Sounds like
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:02 PM
Jun 2015

she was on a "not listening" tour.

You don't mess around with even >50lbs. wild carnivores, much less those that outweigh you and their literal living is skinning the flesh of off bone before crunching those down next.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
5. who came up with idea of drive thru wildlife parks ?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jun 2015

probably someone as smart as a person who drive thru with their windows open .

Free market enterprise at its dumbest .

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. They're fine if you keep your windows up.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jun 2015

And I would think that rich tourists paying the admission fee probably pays for a lot of conservation.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
18. Shouldn't tourism efforts to view such creatures alive make more profit...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:20 PM
Jun 2015

than caging them in a zoo or poaching or hunting them does?

I see these places as a way for the locals to make a living by keeping such wonders safe, alive, and where they belong.

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that it's a good way to demonstrate that living wildlife has value, to those who are trying to survive amongst them.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
41. You need revenue to create and maintain land for wildlife conservation
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jun 2015

It's not as simple as the government setting aside land and saying "Good enough", especially on a continent like Africa, where widespread poaching and constant encroachment by farmers, ranchers, loggers and miners is ever-present. If you want to give locals an alternative to clearcutting land, shooting wildlife and plowing under savanna, you need to generate income.

Even in the US, we'd have far less land for wildlife if it weren't for the billions of dollars that are generated by people using wilderness areas for hiking, camping, fishing, and hunting.

The only thing that comes close to generating the income of a drive-through park in that area would be trophy hunting by rich US and European hunters. I'd rather see the drive-through parks.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
9. probably let her guard down. Didn't realize how fast they can move. Lion probably "faked her out"
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jun 2015

my house cats will do that. Act really relaxed when they are planning to pounce.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
10. Many years ago, during the late '60s, there was a park
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:49 PM
Jun 2015

in Florida called Lion Country Safari where you drive through the park with the lions and other wildlife roaming free. We were cautioned to keep the car windows up, which we did. The closest I ever came to touching a lion was in the petting section where I was able to rub the tummy of a lion cub.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
11. We went there when I was a kid back in the early 1970s! Even then, I knew
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jun 2015

enough to be scared shitless over the idea of the lions possibly breaking through the car windows or doors and dragging me off as a meal...

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
19. Went to Lion Country Safari with a school
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:36 PM
Jun 2015

group in the early 1970s. The school bus had a hood which jutted out. You guessed it - a lion jumped on the hood and went eye to eye with the driver. It was pretty exciting. Not sure when the lion jumped off.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
23. while stationed in Anchorage AK in the
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jun 2015

early 70s there was a lion kept in a cage at the local A&W.

I never felt brave enough to get close enough to pet it. Ocassionally it would take a very powerful piss though, you didn't want to be near that.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. I just hope there are no consequences for the lioness.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jun 2015

She was just acting according to her natural instinct.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
15. Since she didn't actually eat the woman
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jun 2015

hopefully, the lioness will suffer no consequences. Had she actually eaten the woman, I think she might have suffered a horrible fate.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
16. I think that I read the park will not destroy her.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:40 PM
Jun 2015

These recent attacks have been attributed to tourist non-adherence to park policies.

I'll see if I can find the article.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
17. There's a very good reason why rolled windows & locked doors...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jun 2015

are the rules whilst driving thru Lion country.

That woman, apparently, had NOT seen this video:

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
36. I envisioned her signaling to the other lions, "Now watch this."
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jun 2015

"Wanna see me make some humans jump?"

All of the laughter in that car shows that those tourists had no idea how close they came.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
28. "Oh my gosh, I didn't know they could do that!!"
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:57 PM
Jun 2015

They're cats. They're crafty and smart and they can figure things out. Maybe that wasn't just a lucky trial and error occurrence. Maybe those lions have learned how to open car doors and now they're doing it deliberately - maybe it's just out of curiosity, but you don't want to find out the hard way.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
32. That was my thought when I'd first seen the video...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jun 2015

when did that lioness learn that the shiny thingy on the door was the way inside? Ha!

I remember how my long-gone kitty worked at getting doors to open. He'd found a convenient perch right next to a doorknob and finally learned to use both paws to turn it. A room that he didn't even particularly want into...he just opened that door because he could!

Curiosity.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
24. I've been on safari in open trucks
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:50 PM
Jun 2015

They told us we were safe as long as we stayed in the vehicle. Apparently that's not true!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
31. Lion CUBS
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jun 2015

even about about 10 weeks, are bigger than a Maine Coon cat, and those are humongous. You don't *ever* fool with wild carnivores. Foxes, bobcats, weasels etc. things we will see on a regular basis here in the US are nothing to be fooled with and they are 1/8th the body weight of a full grown lion. If it survives by killing prey day in, day out, you in the office aren't going to be much of a match just because you logged into the computer.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
38. Seems like keeping the windows down might be typical behaviour for visitors
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jun 2015

(for anyone concerned - no one in this video is harmed, but they are exhibiting extremely risky behavior)

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