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GOP presidential contender Carly Fiorina tells a reporter in a video that surfaced Tuesday that Americans shouldn't fear competition with China because its people lack creativity.
Fiorina, while speaking out against Common Core education standards with the Iowa politics blogger Caffeinated Thoughts in January, said the policy isn't the answer to concerns that American students are lagging behind China's.
Ive been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they cant do is innovate, said Fiorina, a former Hewlett-Packard CEO. Theyre not terribly imaginative. Theyre not entrepreneurial. They dont innovate. Thats why theyre stealing our intellectual property.
The video was mostly unnoticed until Tuesday, when Buzzfeed shared it, along with an excerpt from Fiorina's 2015 book, Rising to the Challenge: My Leadership Journey, in which she makes similar comments about the Chinese.
Read more with video:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/carly-fiorina-china-innovate_n_7446512.html
JI7
(89,262 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,836 posts)"cheap" junk. Things have changed. And what a lot of crap she speaks!!!
LAGC
(5,330 posts)Do these GOP idiots really think they are going to win the presidency by continually alienating key demographics?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The GOP's minority outreach is the greatest gift to Dems.
LAGC
(5,330 posts)You'd think some of the GOP bigwigs would have figured this out by now, especially someone as "inclusive-minded" as a CEO of a large multinational corporation.
Then again, she nearly ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground under her leadership, so she doesn't really have that much to brag about, does she?
JHB
(37,161 posts)...that middle fingers just don't reach very far.
JI7
(89,262 posts)discussed as much. but it probably explains why you don't hear about asians as the "model minority" as much anymore.
Rex
(65,616 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)Of all the racist drivel . . . She ought to be ashamed of herself.
She needs to go back to her corner office and do the pivot table for an ops review - she has zero people skills.
bluesbassman
(19,379 posts)My guess is that the unimaginative idea thieves who invented it won't be lending her any either.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)I have seen the same point made here at DU.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)I have read and heard from multiple sources that chinese scientists regard it as rude to challenge and correct someone if he's saying something wrong, e.g. at scientific conferences. Instead of saying "Wait, that can't be right..." they just leave it at that and move to the next topic.
Not that I agree with all she said - but there are issues with the Chinese education system and scientific culture that create issues with real innovation and creativity.
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LuvNewcastle
(16,855 posts)Their government doesn't encourage speaking out about much. I'm sure that carries over and affects other aspects of their culture. Chinese people, I'm sure, have plenty of good ideas, it's just that their society doesn't encourage the type of people who are innovators to speak up about their discoveries. If your government always strikes down the nails that are sticking out, it's going to have a negative effect on those who think differently.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)IIRC About 200 BC the first chinese emperor united the seven chinese kingdoms into one singular empire. He replaced the feuding aristocrats with an all-encompassing bureaucracy.
China has been governed by a monolithic bureaucratic empire for 2000 years now. (First the imperial bureaucracy, then the appointed local politicians of Communism.) Europe has had hundreds of wars in that time, it had massive ethnic migrations and has dozens of countries. Conflict and change are part of european culture, but China meant political stability, it meant harmony, it meant peace.
This very preference for harmony, for stability, for unity, is a pillar of chinese culture. It's not simple complacency and certainly older than the PRC.
I once had a colleague from the PRC, a proud communist. He said, he would prefer if all of the world were united into one big nation. He said, he also wouldn't mind if the official world-language were english, as long as the world were united.
The problem with the PRC is how they handle those who don't fit into the perfect picture of harmony. Strife-plagued Europe has developed tolerance as a tool to facilitate peace in the face of conflict. But China hasn't seen that wild mixture of cultural and military conflicts that Europe has been through. China has never had to make peace between factions that are anathema to each other. China has never learned to treat attacks on harmony with tolerance. It's simply not part of their culture.
kiva
(4,373 posts)Plagiarism is a huge problem with Chinese students who come to the US; I know the International Student department talks to them, instructors stress that it's unacceptable, and yet it happens far too often.
trumad
(41,692 posts)which Carly has stolen to blow up her campaign.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)She does have a point about the stealing of intellectual property by China. The way she said it made it sound like she had her foot in her mouth. Oh that's right she did.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,154 posts)Lot's of good ideas there, huh? Spun off the best parts of the company to make "me too" laptops. Nice going.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Chinese companies steal intellectual property, though in many cases, such as the Chinese "I Pad" they improve it by NOT putting in the stuff US companies do to make extra profit, such as locking your phone to anyone but whoever Apple decided to sleep with.
You can even possibly say that the Chinese GOVERNMENT does not encourage creativity.
BUT, before there was Beijing, there is, was and will be, the Chinese PEOPLE, and the folks that invented gunpowder will offer more than a few rebuttals to Ms. Fiorina, then again, why would they bother since Carly is a textbook example of American Capitalism at it's weakest.
mainer
(12,025 posts)I have a few drone owners in the family, and what I keep hearing from them is, "why can't Ameican companies do what the Chinese are doing with drones?"
Best quad copters in the world, beating the pants off US drones.
Javaman
(62,533 posts)moron
Arkana
(24,347 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,836 posts)(For those needing crib notes: IDIOT!, Clumsy, Stupid!)
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)This is why corporations have to pay their CEOs 600 times what the entry level employee makes. If they didn't pay the big bucks, they couldn't get talent like this.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)she probably believes in several unmentionable others, too. Don't hold back, Carly. Let it all out. Keep channeling Archie Bunker, babe.
Johonny
(20,879 posts)but in those twenty years she doesn't see any innovation. It's that kind of clear vision that lead Carly to where she is... pundit for hire.