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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:13 PM May 2015

87% of African Americans view Hillary Clinton favorably

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But if you look at what the polls are telling us so far, Democrats seem quite happy to have Clinton as their presidential nominee. In the latest Pew poll, 77 percent of Democrats see her favorably, and she has strong approval across ages, incomes, and races. (African-Americans, the most important Democratic sub-group, rate her particularly highly, at 87 percent favorable.)

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http://theweek.com/articles/556175/hillary-clinton-fewer-problems-democratic-base-than-might-think


Blacks played a HUGE role 2008 primaries and this will likely continue in 2016.

How does Sanders appeal to African Americans? He's from a tiny homogeneous state with few blacks.

Can Sanders appeal to African Americans the way Hillary and Obama do?

I think this will determine whether or not Sanders is competitive.
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87% of African Americans view Hillary Clinton favorably (Original Post) Cali_Democrat May 2015 OP
This is excellent news. leftofcool May 2015 #1
I am scared to post a response on here lest I get attacked. akbacchus_BC May 2015 #321
I have to wonder who Obama will vote for. NYC_SKP May 2015 #331
well Robbins May 2015 #2
No, Civil Liberties doesn't mean more to Sanders than it does to the President. Cha May 2015 #200
Holy shit! zappaman May 2015 #219
wa wa wa wa.. the Cha May 2015 #220
Aha! So THIS is the post that gay posters, women and black folks are saying almost made them Number23 May 2015 #303
let the old white man educate the woman and black man about oppression? nt seabeyond May 2015 #304
Hey, why not? They've had to teach us everything else (or so they desperately love to think)! Number23 May 2015 #305
already bookmarked. it is a gem of example and explanation and oh... ya, education. nt seabeyond May 2015 #306
That you actually wrote those words and hit "post" and haven't self deleted by now... stevenleser May 2015 #308
Name Recognition. Among any group and voters at large, it's about the name "Clinton". NYC_SKP May 2015 #3
Creative allegation... LanternWaste May 2015 #6
As you wish. NYC_SKP May 2015 #8
her overall rating is down 9 points questionseverything May 2015 #31
I need a link because your post contradicts this DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #41
I would like a link as well. OilemFirchen May 2015 #136
i added it to the comment questionseverything May 2015 #284
I am in Los Angeles DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #47
As meaningless as the game Long Drive May 2015 #84
How is it meaningless that HRC will carry African Americans and Latinos DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #91
Lakers and Clippers are meaningless Long Drive May 2015 #92
Oakland is too far away./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #95
So blacks support her only because of name recognition and nothing more? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #15
LOL. As if. NYC_SKP May 2015 #25
I'm not sure I understad your reply Cali_Democrat May 2015 #103
Wow! Are you trying to say minorities... MaggieD May 2015 #250
No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #267
it's bs most black voters for Obama still loved her JI7 May 2015 #52
++++DING DING DING DING DING++++ !!!! uponit7771 May 2015 #324
It's insulting. Cha May 2015 #201
name recognition... quickesst May 2015 #66
It seems a bit patronizing to suggest African Americans DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #180
Blacks look at issues also uponit7771 May 2015 #325
with regard to the African American community, I think there is a deeper reason than CTyankee May 2015 #106
Hell, for the earlier primaries and caucuses in 2008, Clinton beat Obama in the black vote Recursion May 2015 #245
YES!! It wasn't until SC that Blacks as a majority even looked at Obama... My wife was with Hillary uponit7771 May 2015 #326
Is this today's meme? That the only reason Clinton has such high favorables is because people Number23 May 2015 #111
Good point. Cha May 2015 #202
Now you're using logic on people MaggieD May 2015 #251
you really wish to swipe an entire voting block as nothing more that "stupid" and .... Sheepshank May 2015 #116
Wow. It's your brain that took you there. AA voters historically go w Democrats. NYC_SKP May 2015 #117
I honestly think you are trying to shame the wrong person Sheepshank May 2015 #128
I put that same factor down on every single demographic, every voter. NYC_SKP May 2015 #132
African Americans support Hillary in higher proportions than do women, Hispanics, pnwmom May 2015 #145
Its a real shame if anyone is trying to associate black people with weakness. NYC_SKP May 2015 #146
Only you did that in this thread DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #194
Someone needs to go back to the Dojo ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #269
Nope Skip- the "many people" you dismissed as thoughtless are POC.... bettyellen May 2015 #232
Nope. I dismiss all pro Clinton numbers as based on name recognition, all groups. NYC_SKP May 2015 #233
awesome job you're doing alienating everyone! Good luck w that' bettyellen May 2015 #244
Sorry you're geting hit by the usual suspects. U4ikLefty May 2015 #322
That is an insult to African Americans who always liked the Clintons. They aren't idiots pnwmom May 2015 #130
The pheonomenon applies equally well to every single traditional Democratic leaning demographic. NYC_SKP May 2015 #133
African Americans approve of Hillary in higher proportions pnwmom May 2015 #143
no, they've heard of George W. and Jeb Bush and that name recognition CreekDog May 2015 #259
The short answer is NO he can't. I had this very conversation last night. This is not 2008 & Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #4
Thats true. The only real threat to Hillary's pursuit of the nomination is Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #252
She's up 7% from the poll I saw yesterday. misterhighwasted May 2015 #5
She also has good polling in the Hispanic community, MineralMan May 2015 #7
Agree with your post. misterhighwasted May 2015 #12
Keep up the good work in Texas. MineralMan May 2015 #14
this is what i am seeing also. especially in texas and colorado. the difference in seabeyond May 2015 #28
Have her Texas events been announced yet? DURHAM D May 2015 #53
i read something in lubbock, but sounds like just the group for her and not clinton seabeyond May 2015 #56
she could easily take on the repugs in this state. maybe not with numbers, but damn, look good. nt seabeyond May 2015 #57
I think most are unaware of how pissed off the women folk are. DURHAM D May 2015 #65
ah, see? we have cruz talking in our neighborhood. lol. how easy to address. seabeyond May 2015 #68
The reaction by everyone I encounter is DURHAM D May 2015 #70
I have only heard from my son, with peers and teachers that listen. seabeyond May 2015 #74
Agree completely. misterhighwasted May 2015 #123
As far as I know Austin is the only one announced. misterhighwasted May 2015 #99
+1. thanks. nt seabeyond May 2015 #101
+1. The Obama coalition will back Hillary. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #27
Yes, probably. MineralMan May 2015 #29
I don't doubt the passion of Sanders supporters, but McGovern had very passionate supporters as well Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #40
Frankly, so did Kucinich. MineralMan May 2015 #42
yes. true this. i forgot. nt seabeyond May 2015 #45
Same supporters. Same outcome. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #81
Could be, I suppose. Different state, though. MineralMan May 2015 #82
That's the plan and I believe she can pull it off but not without difficulty... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #61
The moment Hillary accepted Obama's invite for Sec of State, all was forgiven & forgotten. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #72
This isn't "some of my best friends are black" posts but it is... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #85
What a terrific story. Having lived in the South, with brief relocations to Pittsburgh, most of.... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #93
He was incredible... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #102
I posted that speech a short time ago, Taheel. sheshe2 May 2015 #172
I get chills to this day she. I remember coming in to work the next day, and it was all anyone could Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #175
I agree with you 100%, Tarheel. sheshe2 May 2015 #87
I love that picture. My favorite, however, will forever be the one where they welcomed home the.... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #90
i agree with this also. nt seabeyond May 2015 #96
ITA. In every forum in Spanish I read Hillary is already seen as the next president lunamagica May 2015 #64
Thanks for your report. MineralMan May 2015 #67
I am so relieved to hear this news. 2016 cannot go to the GOP. misterhighwasted May 2015 #125
All my hispanic friends in Texas love her. Many people have been quietly waiting for her. n/t freshwest May 2015 #239
She definitely does - at least down here in Texas. TBF May 2015 #147
John Kerry Black vote 2004... nough said uponit7771 May 2015 #327
Bookmark this post DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #9
Nice to see some.... MaggieD May 2015 #11
i see clinton getting black and hispanic vote. i see sanders, youth, white, middle upper. sanders seabeyond May 2015 #13
That's the irony... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #20
yes the irony. that i am not allowed to say. here is the thing with the young vote... in my area. seabeyond May 2015 #22
Same dynamic we had in NY State with Cuomo. geek tragedy May 2015 #26
Hillary lost the nomination in 08 because she was hemorrhaging African American votes. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #30
i also think with her experience over the last 8 yrs, we are going to see a different campaign. nt seabeyond May 2015 #33
"Working class and lower middle class folks are more concerned about table issues" workinclasszero May 2015 #49
"rainbow farting leftist independent" who will save your job and win the election. NYC_SKP May 2015 #75
SKP, do you have any support for this position okasha May 2015 #224
Right now it's Sanders. O'Malley may gain speed, it's early yet. NYC_SKP May 2015 #231
I tend to agree...The data suggests Hillary will win but it's not a slam dunk... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #76
Don't hold back now! And I agree with you! Our voice needs to be heard. n/t freshwest May 2015 #242
You nailed it all right there. Those who have been dismissed are watching it play out. It's time! freshwest May 2015 #241
I think Bernie will do well with Black Lives Matter voters betterdemsonly May 2015 #21
i will be really interested to watch blacklivesmatter. i question that. but all these are guesses, seabeyond May 2015 #24
"Black Lives Matter voters" are the black community & 87% of us favor Hillary. Just ask these guys. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #36
another thing we fail at, is actually listen to the black lives that surely do matter. seabeyond May 2015 #38
Oprah has been critical of black lives matter. betterdemsonly May 2015 #100
FYI: Issues & personality aren't mutually exclusive. And I predict you're wrong. Try, as you may, Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #114
I think there is a class divide in the black community betterdemsonly May 2015 #121
The most reliable Democratic constituency will have much to be enthused about. It's the young... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #124
I don't view myself as having much in common with Kim Kardashian so it is hard betterdemsonly May 2015 #131
It already transferred. 87% worth. You keep insinuating that "Black Lives Matter" is some behemoth Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #138
No I am not. I just don't think OFA is the black community. betterdemsonly May 2015 #149
Why are you conflating "OFA" & "the black community"? Is there some point to that? Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #153
ok whatever betterdemsonly May 2015 #156
WTF do the 60s have to do with 87% favorability among AA's for Hillary Clinton in 2016? Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #160
It's a variation of the "MLK was a Republican"/Byrd was a Democrat and a klansman" narrative ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #170
"Curious" indeed. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #179
The President who jawboned the Civil Rights Act okasha May 2015 #229
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #169
So YOU think something about groups ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #168
Say this again ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #165
Exactly. Don't you just love it when folks of another race try to explain "black folks" to us. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #173
He is offering pie in the sky except it is pie in the sky with a wrinkle...It's pie right here. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #192
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #207
Ever see the movie "Lakeview Terrace" DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #218
Yeah ... I liked that movie ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #234
Jackson had so many great roles DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #235
Mannn ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #260
I love the scene where he first meets Django but I am afraid to post it here./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #261
Yeah ... I know. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #263
We can watch the end DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #264
I must admit ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #265
It's just a movie... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #270
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #271
"Where's my beautiful sister? " DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #272
Okay. That does it ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #275
People who think education is a right are after a "free lunch?" Sounds like Rush Limbaugh betterdemsonly May 2015 #276
I would tell you what you could do with your ad hominem but I don't want to afoul... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #278
you want to reflect the discussion you jumped into, with this little fit? blackman talking basic seabeyond May 2015 #279
LOL ... Seriously? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #280
I disagree on the class divide JustAnotherGen May 2015 #155
"just asking you to proceed with caution re class being a divider in the black community." Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #162
You are correct JustAnotherGen May 2015 #164
It's like that old joke - what do you call a black man with two PhDs? Nigger. Number23 May 2015 #166
So true JustAnotherGen May 2015 #176
Exactly. You think my advanced degree and experience living in multiple countries means one damn Number23 May 2015 #181
Well we do see it and we do know it JustAnotherGen May 2015 #183
"Bygones" ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #185
Earlier in this thread someone asked about the polling numbers for ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #182
Speak on it #23! I love how you just break it down to its natural essence. "Two PhDs". N*** Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #184
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #186
Class "concern" will evaporate the moment they (personally) can afford to live in that gate communit Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #190
"So many of them never wanted to be associated with us, no matter what our class." Number23 May 2015 #187
I love that gif. I'm gonna have to steal that. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #189
I haven't heard that one before. Jamaal510 May 2015 #193
There's a thousand variations of it. It's a paraphrase of a Malcolm X comment Number23 May 2015 #195
well, you heard about the Google Maps problem when you put in the words ... kwassa May 2015 #204
then there is a group of our dems that just are not concerned with that. the man has money, so what seabeyond May 2015 #206
Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #177
yes, Blacks, hispanics, and asians who vote republican usually do so because of religion JI7 May 2015 #228
This message was self-deleted by its author Quayblue May 2015 #230
Not when it comes to the police, not matter how rich blacks are harassed equally..even black cops uponit7771 May 2015 #328
I don't disagree with your numbers, but they have to morningfog May 2015 #89
She will garner over 90% of African American and Latino voters regardless of where they live... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #94
I guess the question is how much of an impact morningfog May 2015 #119
The more homogeneous the state the better Bernie's chances. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #144
Don't be so polite ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #188
What are you suggesting? morningfog May 2015 #209
I'm SAYING that ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #215
He has limited appeal to higher income LGBTs too MaggieD May 2015 #254
I, admittedly, have limited contact with higher incomed gay folks ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #262
I always enjoy talking numbers and strategy. morningfog May 2015 #212
Also the group least represented on this site BainsBane May 2015 #10
ya. i am now walking, that gay/black/women are one. that gives us greater numbers seabeyond May 2015 #16
Hispanic community leaders have declared that their votes MineralMan May 2015 #18
Statements like this are why this place is great. NCTraveler May 2015 #44
And one critical look at how African-Americans ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #107
Yep. And there were even black posters that didn't like Obama that were still run off or left Number23 May 2015 #109
+1. I don't know how many times it must be said but "DU is not the real world". Not even close. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #126
DU ain't even the same DU it was a few years ago! I'm surprised we are even allowed to type Number23 May 2015 #135
"DU ain't even the same DU it was a few years ago!" Not since the Paulertarians took over. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #140
Girl, they are flat out not even pretending anymore. There's another thread in GD right now Number23 May 2015 #142
That doesn't shock me at all; nothing I read here actually shocks me anymore. The handful of.... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #148
I understand and I respect that 100%. For the most part, I find most of the anti-Hillary stuff Number23 May 2015 #154
It feels like a board I left where the Cons kept insisting black people voted for PBO because they freshwest May 2015 #246
And we are told that Candidate Obama ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #198
'Too inferior to even be considered Democrats.' Hard words, but it feels that way at times. n/t freshwest May 2015 #243
Very happy to hear this. hrmjustin May 2015 #17
Where were they in 2010 and 2014? We lost states where their turnout was decisive and betterdemsonly May 2015 #19
They sat at home, like so many Democrats did. MineralMan May 2015 #23
Al Franken won in wipeout which was predicted. The Hillary clones in the Southern States all lost betterdemsonly May 2015 #32
I don't think you can lay the fact... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #35
She was the incumbent, elected for the first time in 2008 with Obama on the ticket betterdemsonly May 2015 #43
Precisely... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #50
Iowa and Wisconsin were close elections with high turnouts. The dems still lost betterdemsonly May 2015 #60
There was still a substantial drop off between general and mid term participation DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #69
Exactly. It could be argued that even Elizabeth Warren owes her Senate seat to Obama's.... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #86
I never understood ticket splitting at an emotional level./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #105
Yes, he did. He has become a popular Senator in MN. MineralMan May 2015 #37
yes jerry brown and other dems had huge wins but turnout JI7 May 2015 #48
I am in Cali... Even Repukes call it automatic Democratic.../NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #54
yes.it's always important to consider the political makeup JI7 May 2015 #58
I believe he won with around 59% of the vote. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #71
You left off Kentucky JustAnotherGen May 2015 #152
Another day, another poll showing the vast majority of democrats love Hillary workinclasszero May 2015 #34
Not interested in the Sanders comparison. NCTraveler May 2015 #39
black support moved from Clinton to Obama after he won iowa JI7 May 2015 #46
DU rec...nt SidDithers May 2015 #51
IMO Mr Dixon May 2015 #55
sanders would be an interesting choice for clinton. nt seabeyond May 2015 #59
are you f-ing kidding Robbins May 2015 #63
IMO Mr Dixon May 2015 #83
It appears you may have missed this. Number23 May 2015 #134
Your head is in the sand if you think the President has not spoken out against police abuses. Stop Cha May 2015 #227
Everything you have said here about President Obama lovemydog May 2015 #296
Hillary will need a much younger & much more exciting VP than Bernie. Just sayin'. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #120
VP doesn't have to be met in the middle or listened to at all Why sacrifice one of our best Senators TheKentuckian May 2015 #122
Plus 1000 JustAnotherGen May 2015 #256
Good news. Scurrilous May 2015 #62
If she want to keep the AA community in her corner... Stellar May 2015 #73
i agree. nt seabeyond May 2015 #98
Sanders doesn't know much about racial issues especially Black ones. BlackClouds May 2015 #77
Bernie was in the trenches on Civil Rights, why doesn't he know about inequality issues? TheKentuckian May 2015 #127
Bernie grew up in Brooklyn. m-lekktor May 2015 #150
He organized for civil rights and attended the March on Washington BrotherIvan May 2015 #247
Few would question Bernie's position on civil rights (vis-a-vis, PoC) ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #277
Honestly, what will Hillary Clinton do for the African American community? BrotherIvan May 2015 #282
I would be the wrong person to ask .... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #289
Any numbers on Sanders and AA voters? DCBob May 2015 #78
Too soon to tell, really. And not only with AA, but with all demographics. NYC_SKP May 2015 #88
Which is interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #108
He doesn't appeal to me in the slightest, and here's the major reason: Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #129
Better hope they don't remember what happened in 2008. AtomicKitten May 2015 #79
I'm sure folks will be along to "remind" us ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #112
you're welcome AtomicKitten May 2015 #137
Great news. ucrdem May 2015 #80
Thanks Cali, great news. sheshe2 May 2015 #97
K&R! JaneyVee May 2015 #104
I'se Negra and I view Clinton (mostly) favorably. I still don't know if that means she needs to be Number23 May 2015 #110
Behave! ... LOL. N/T 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #113
Ha! I might gnash but I probably won't scream. NYC_SKP May 2015 #118
Huh? You won't scream and gnash if she wins? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #139
"Clearly you need a stern talking to from Bernie's overwhelmingly white supporters." Number23 May 2015 #141
Bernie Underground? leftofcool May 2015 #151
Yep. So "underground" that an OP with 200 recs is seen as the gospel truth! Number23 May 2015 #158
And who the fuck are these "good DUers" that I supposedly "attacked" with this post??! Number23 May 2015 #236
Oh my! JustAnotherGen May 2015 #163
Five brownie points if you know what the "I'se Negra!" quote is from!! Number23 May 2015 #167
I'm thinking Halle Berry got dragged for that JustAnotherGen May 2015 #171
And of course, my girl wins Number23 May 2015 #178
See! I had my hand raised, way in the back of the classroom, 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #221
JAG got the brownies but you get the gold star! Number23 May 2015 #238
She has a lot of support outside of DU. Rex May 2015 #115
Enjoy your dream while you can. L0oniX May 2015 #157
You know who else had a dream? JaneyVee May 2015 #159
Well then I am most certainly in the best of company. great white snark May 2015 #161
Yeah, if "Huh? Oh yeah, sure." counts as a "yes". nt Bonobo May 2015 #174
Another fine example of Americans voting... peace13 May 2015 #191
And your post is a fine example of the "liberal" line of thinking that many minorities Number23 May 2015 #196
And... peace13 May 2015 #208
pretty brazen to suggest if one does not vote sanders, they are uninformed. seabeyond May 2015 #210
I did not even mention Sanders. peace13 May 2015 #214
seriously? that is your answer and you are sticking to it? maybe you do think anyone not on seabeyond May 2015 #216
Have a nice evening. peace13 May 2015 #217
right, because who should we support. Ted Cruz? BainsBane May 2015 #292
The post is about Hillary's massive support in the black community Number23 May 2015 #240
She's insulting minorities as voting against their self interests. Like they're not informed voters Cha May 2015 #248
No wiggling. peace13 May 2015 #257
We're not talking about some people but 87% of a major sub group. That's a lot... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #258
The fact that we don't really have elections anymore adds to the problem. peace13 May 2015 #266
So DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #268
Enjoy the day! peace13 May 2015 #281
And, in denial of denial. Cha May 2015 #285
And not about Sanders BainsBane May 2015 #293
They are his greatest liability. seabeyond May 2015 #300
Bullshit BainsBane May 2015 #291
Wow! "Uninformed Voters". That kind of abuse is bound to have us lining up for miles. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #298
I don't know why the Clintons have done nothing for black people. As a matter of fact they got more craigmatic May 2015 #197
Not only that but they TM99 May 2015 #205
me neither craigmatic May 2015 #283
Must you menton that inconvenient truth? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #253
I see some of the Bernie folks are trying to convince the African American folks on this board ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #199
Just a few weeks ago I was talking with a friend DURHAM D May 2015 #211
This is a small world... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #222
I think I confused you. DURHAM D May 2015 #223
I understood that.... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #226
no worse than the passive-aggressive "Bernies all white supporters" m-lekktor May 2015 #213
Simply stating the fact that Bernie's supporters are "all white" is passive aggressive? Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #249
Race should never be a monolith seveneyes May 2015 #203
Yes... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #225
I think who ever wins the nom is going to want the Obama coalition.. it's mighty and it's Cha May 2015 #237
Thank God for these democratic voters workinclasszero May 2015 #274
Exactly, and then to have posters on here saying they're voting against their interests if they're Cha May 2015 #286
Very stupid workinclasszero May 2015 #287
Precisely, workingclasszero! Cha May 2015 #288
This may be the best thread I've ever read.... MaggieD May 2015 #255
Clinton has undeniable name recognition, nostalgia appeal and star power. Orsino May 2015 #273
This is a really interesting thread. lovemydog May 2015 #290
Incredible, isn't it? BainsBane May 2015 #294
Oh ... You really think that is their aim? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #309
oooohhhhh.. Cha May 2015 #297
+1 Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #299
Hillary just may be the third black president. bigwillq May 2015 #295
I suggest we revisit this thread in the summer of 2016 BainsBane May 2015 #301
i get it all in hypocrisy. insist i hate sanders(only supportive of him). upper middle white so not seabeyond May 2015 #302
I wonder if any of them read these threads and learn a bit. lovemydog May 2015 #307
When one is smarter than, one does not have to read ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #310
+1 lovemydog May 2015 #315
And yet here you are saying that a fantastically wealthy white woman Bonobo May 2015 #311
Nope! Go back and read through the thread ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #312
Those would be absurd statements I admit. nt Bonobo May 2015 #313
No, that is not what I am saying BainsBane May 2015 #318
"I know that the vitriol and vapid attacks on Clinton here Bonobo May 2015 #320
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane May 2015 #318
I don't agree with those posters. joshcryer May 2015 #329
Yes. I agree. nt BainsBane May 2015 #330
I bet you didn't complain when Bill Clinton, a Governor from a rather small state was nominated karynnj May 2015 #314
Is this ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #316
I think Blacks prefer Democrats as opposed to conservatives! akbacchus_BC May 2015 #317
John Kerry Black vote 2004... nough said uponit7771 May 2015 #323

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
321. I am scared to post a response on here lest I get attacked.
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:51 AM
May 2015

I do not feel Bernie Sanders is ready for the position of President, nor do I see him trying to stop violence by the police against Black people.

I do not like Hilary Clinton either, she is for big business and does not care for poor people or veterans who are suffering.

Where are all the good people who ran when President Obama ran? I wish he could get elected again but that is wishful thinking!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
331. I have to wonder who Obama will vote for.
Thu May 28, 2015, 10:14 AM
May 2015

I'm still a huge supporter, I want to think he'd go for Bernie because he had a civil rights supporting history despite what people say, it goes way back.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
2. well
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:16 PM
May 2015

when Bernie sanders was young man he supported civil rights.

Civil Liberties means more than Sanders than it ever will be for Obama or Hillary.

Cha

(298,393 posts)
220. wa wa wa wa.. the
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:30 PM
May 2015

disingenuous cheap pot shots never stop.

lol.. I didn't even think about that.. Good Gawd! Thanks zappaman!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
303. Aha! So THIS is the post that gay posters, women and black folks are saying almost made them
Sun May 24, 2015, 07:52 PM
May 2015

pass out and have to reach for smelling salts!

Civil Liberties means more than Sanders than it ever will be for Obama or Hillary.

I missed this before. I think my brain and eyes were just trying to protect themselves.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
305. Hey, why not? They've had to teach us everything else (or so they desperately love to think)!
Sun May 24, 2015, 08:02 PM
May 2015


I am so bookmarking this thread. To be revisited in about 6-8 months time. Will be most illuminating, I think.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
308. That you actually wrote those words and hit "post" and haven't self deleted by now...
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:56 PM
May 2015

...indicates some serious reality issues.

A straight white male versus an African American male and a woman and you think civil liberties are a bigger deal for the straight white male?

Obamas Twitter account was barely a few hours old when someone called him the n word. That and the sexist garbage that Hillary faces on a daily basis versus Bernie's experiences with discrimination?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. Name Recognition. Among any group and voters at large, it's about the name "Clinton".
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:18 PM
May 2015

Last edited Fri May 22, 2015, 09:00 AM - Edit history (2)

Nothing More.

African American voters historically support Democrats, so who are they going to say they support in a poll?

Nobody has heard of Sanders or Warren, most people aren't on DU or paying attention to cable news.

Whether we look at blacks or whites or Asians or Hispanics, the Clinton name and the Clinton brand are polling high.

I don't see where Clinton has done anything particularly courageous for people of color.

If anything, her policies of outsourcing and helping foreign trade have cost us jobs.

questionseverything

(9,672 posts)
31. her overall rating is down 9 points
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:02 PM
May 2015

Last edited Fri May 22, 2015, 03:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton, the clear front-runner for the Democratic nomination, is widely popular with Democrats; 77% of Democrats and Democratic leaners view her favorably.

Views of Hillary Clinton, 2007-2015However, Clinton’s favorable ratings have declined – among the public, as well as Democrats – since last summer. Currently, 49% of the public has a favorable opinion of Clinton, while 47% view her unfavorably. Clinton’s overall favorability rating has fallen nine points from 58% last August. This is Clinton’s lowest favorability mark since the spring of 2008, during her run for the Democratic nomination. (For more on Clinton’s favorable ratings since 1992, see this interactive).

The decline in Clinton’s favorability since August has come about equally among Democrats and Democratic leaners (from 86% then to 77% today) and Republicans and Republican leaners (from 27% to 17%).

Bill Clinton’s favorable rating has fallen 10 points since 2012. Currently, 58% of the public views Bill Clinton favorably, down from 68% in September of that year. Clinton’s ratings also are at their lowest point since 2008.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/05/19/republicans-early-views-of-gop-field-more-positive-than-in-2012-2008-campaigns/

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
41. I need a link because your post contradicts this
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:13 PM
May 2015
Against the backdrop of the press swirling around these stories, it may be comforting to the Clinton team as they focus on sewing up the Democratic nomination that most of the increase in her unfavorable rating has occurred among Republicans, not Democrats or political independents. Nearly nine in 10 Republicans now view her unfavorably, up from 75% in March. Over the same period, her unfavorable rating has increased only three percentage points among independents and Democrats, hardly significant except that it has held at this slightly higher level for two months.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/183158/hillary-clinton-unfavorable-score-ticks.aspx?utm_source=POLITICS&utm_medium=topic&utm_campaign=tiles

questionseverything

(9,672 posts)
284. i added it to the comment
Fri May 22, 2015, 03:32 PM
May 2015

the link was within the article being discussed so i didnt realize i needed to add it

my bad

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
47. I am in Los Angeles
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:17 PM
May 2015

She will carry South (predominately African American) and East (Latino) L A precincts with >75% of the vote.

If she doesn't I will streak past Staples Center when the Lakers play on Christmas Day.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
91. How is it meaningless that HRC will carry African Americans and Latinos
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:40 PM
May 2015

How is it meaningless that HRC will garner over ninety percent of African Americans and Latinos votes and consequently annihilate her Democratic opponent(s) ?


The point about streaking better known as running naked was to express my confidence in my prediction...

The venue is Staples... Would it be more convincing if I said I would streak past Staples Center when the Clippers or Kings play or when the Globetrotters are in town?

lol

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
15. So blacks support her only because of name recognition and nothing more?
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:38 PM
May 2015

Do you have any evidence to back up this assertion?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
103. I'm not sure I understad your reply
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:04 PM
May 2015

Where's your evidence that African-American support for Hillary is based on name recognition and nothing more?

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
250. Wow! Are you trying to say minorities...
Fri May 22, 2015, 02:34 AM
May 2015

... Don't have enough sense to know why they support a candidate?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
267. No ...
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:21 AM
May 2015

that's what He/She SAID ... before reading it and trying to back-track.

And these folks wonder why PoC aren't falling over backwards to be their allies!

JI7

(89,317 posts)
52. it's bs most black voters for Obama still loved her
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:26 PM
May 2015

I saw this when i was trying to get support for him. In fact the Clintons and Obama are very popular among every minority group.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
180. It seems a bit patronizing to suggest African Americans
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:08 PM
May 2015

It seems a bit patronizing to suggest African Americans aren't aware that HRC was a First Lady, a senator, and a SOS and they only know of her because she has a popular name.

CTyankee

(63,942 posts)
106. with regard to the African American community, I think there is a deeper reason than
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:10 PM
May 2015

just name recognition. I think it is too dismissive to view that 87% as mere "name recognition." That is part of it, but it's an awfully high percentage. Perhaps that is something the white Dem voters need to think about. I am more a Bernie supporter now than a Hillary supporter, as I was more of a Warren supporter earlier. But I see this and say hmm...

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
245. Hell, for the earlier primaries and caucuses in 2008, Clinton beat Obama in the black vote
Fri May 22, 2015, 01:17 AM
May 2015

Before Bill managed to insult southern African Americans (ahead of the SC primary IIRC) one of the Obama campaign's big worries was how far they were trailing Clinton among African Americans.

uponit7771

(90,380 posts)
326. YES!! It wasn't until SC that Blacks as a majority even looked at Obama... My wife was with Hillary
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:06 AM
May 2015

... the whole time until she gave it up

Number23

(24,544 posts)
111. Is this today's meme? That the only reason Clinton has such high favorables is because people
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:57 PM
May 2015

"know her name?" Lots of people know W's name too. What do you think his favorables are, particularly among black people?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
116. you really wish to swipe an entire voting block as nothing more that "stupid" and ....
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:05 PM
May 2015

... brainless sheeple?

Because it sure sounded like it.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
117. Wow. It's your brain that took you there. AA voters historically go w Democrats.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:08 PM
May 2015

More than any other demographic, IIRC.

Clinton is the most widely recognized Democrat in the running. The only one, in fact, until very recently.

Add to that her connection as a member of Obama's cabinet.

Shame on you for letting your mind go to an ugly place and using that term, "stupid".

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
128. I honestly think you are trying to shame the wrong person
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:26 PM
May 2015

it's really on you for labelling the entire voting block as having only enough knowledge to vote for a name only and assume the entire voting block has little other on their agenda.

Besides how does your thought process square with the Hispanic vote? Their history isn't exactly putting them in the same "given" for Dem votes. Would not Cruz and Rubio be a natural choice if all that was on the line is a name?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
132. I put that same factor down on every single demographic, every voter.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:37 PM
May 2015

It applies equally well with all the folks who instinctively vote for the devil they know.

It's also this thing about fear of losing to the GOP.

Look, nobody else has been in the running.

Now things are about to change.

pnwmom

(109,032 posts)
145. African Americans support Hillary in higher proportions than do women, Hispanics,
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:15 PM
May 2015

or other Democratic subgroups.

Your theory does not explain that, unless you believe that black people are especially susceptible to name recognition, and lack of interest in issues.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
146. Its a real shame if anyone is trying to associate black people with weakness.
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:24 PM
May 2015

I've tried to explain it to you and I am not going to try any more.

I'm not a social scientist, I made an observation that many people go by name recognition, especially when there aren't others running who are at all known figures.

So you can stop it with your attempts to take this any further.

Review what I've written and then take a walk or something.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
194. Only you did that in this thread
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:07 PM
May 2015

Only you did that in this thread:

"Its a real shame if anyone is trying to associate black people with weakness."



when you suggested black folk only like her because they know her name.


Do you believe black folk know George Bush's or Ronald Reagan's name and if the answer is yes do you think they liked them?


When you answer that you will see how absurd your suggestion that they like Clinton because they know her name is.







 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
269. Someone needs to go back to the Dojo ...
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:36 AM
May 2015

the jiu-jitsu is weak in this one.

But I am noticing a pattern in this group ... "Suspect" says "A"; PoC (or, LGBT) answers not "A"; Suspect accuses PoC (or, LGBT) of saying "A" ... and off we go!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
232. Nope Skip- the "many people" you dismissed as thoughtless are POC....
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:08 AM
May 2015

Back pedal all you want- but it didn't occur to you to give the voting block on discussion any respect at all. Embarrassed for you.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
233. Nope. I dismiss all pro Clinton numbers as based on name recognition, all groups.
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:14 AM
May 2015

I've said it over and over on this board. In this case it was the AA community that was polled and I make the same case.

When it looks like it's Clinton versus nobody I've ever heard of before, Clinton is going to get high numbers.

Further, I've cited other factors but in the end I don't give a flying fuck what you think, you always shit on my replies, here, in the religion group, it's pretty tired.

Seeya.

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
322. Sorry you're geting hit by the usual suspects.
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:59 AM
May 2015

They love to pile on, don't they?

This one is so obvious, it's kind of funny.

pnwmom

(109,032 posts)
130. That is an insult to African Americans who always liked the Clintons. They aren't idiots
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:28 PM
May 2015

who only like Hillary because they recognize her name and not Sanders.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
133. The pheonomenon applies equally well to every single traditional Democratic leaning demographic.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:38 PM
May 2015

You can try all you want to put some kind of bigotry spin on this.

Ain't gonna work.

pnwmom

(109,032 posts)
143. African Americans approve of Hillary in higher proportions
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:12 PM
May 2015

than other Democratic subgroups -- which all recognize her name. And the OP was specifically about African American's opinion ofHillary.

So to suggest that AA are particularly susceptible to name recognition, that the only reason they support her is because of her name, reveals an unfortunate bias.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
259. no, they've heard of George W. and Jeb Bush and that name recognition
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:57 AM
May 2015

isn't helping either brother with their support from African Americans.

nice try. helps if you are correct. try harder.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
4. The short answer is NO he can't. I had this very conversation last night. This is not 2008 &
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:22 PM
May 2015

Bernie Sanders is no Barack Obama. Therefore, he poses no threat to Hillary's pursuit of the nomination.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
5. She's up 7% from the poll I saw yesterday.
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:25 PM
May 2015

She is loved, admired & respected on a World scale.
That she has earned. That is where those jewels in her crown come from.
Regardless of what the RW media says.
Murdoch, Adelson & the Kochs do not own everyone on the planet.
Sec Clinton's lifetime work for people has earned her that percentage number.

The RW will never break apart the supporters that surround her. Its quite a thick wall & growing in size.

MineralMan

(146,368 posts)
7. She also has good polling in the Hispanic community,
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:27 PM
May 2015

and has just hired someone with ties to that demographic. If she can inspire turnout in both of those sectors, it will make a big difference. An Obama endorsement would solidify that, I'm sure, and it will be forthcoming at some point, but probably not until there have been some primaries and it looks certain that she'll be the nominee.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
12. Agree with your post.
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:36 PM
May 2015

Its a process, & I too expect much endorsement to come her way should she be our 2016 Dem candidate.
The Hispanic voter block here in Tx is huge, but we are dealing with a very corrupt State govt also. They change policy in the middle of the night without debate nor notice, when it comes to voter issues.

Ir will be the Hispanic vote that shifts this State in any direction but red.
We work on it every election, and some day the corrupt Texas TeaGOP will no longer hold all the power.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
28. this is what i am seeing also. especially in texas and colorado. the difference in
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:55 PM
May 2015

supporters and with the diversity of texas. lol, ya ya ya. but. you have the south, heavy hispanic and the west, white.
but, i am seeing clinton coming up to our area, and that will be interesting.

DURHAM D

(32,620 posts)
53. Have her Texas events been announced yet?
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:26 PM
May 2015

I know she will be in Austin on June 4th but have not seen where she will be on the 3rd. Maybe she will do an event at Texas Woman's University. That would piss some people off.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
56. i read something in lubbock, but sounds like just the group for her and not clinton
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:29 PM
May 2015

herself. this is not a friendly area for her. but man.... it would be fun.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
57. she could easily take on the repugs in this state. maybe not with numbers, but damn, look good. nt
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:31 PM
May 2015

DURHAM D

(32,620 posts)
65. I think most are unaware of how pissed off the women folk are.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:40 PM
May 2015

I live in a red state now and everywhere I go I encounter Republican women (over 60 most of them) who plan to vote for Hillary. They have just had enough of the Teabagger idiot white males.

As for the young men, they are mostly Paulites. They have no clue what his positions are so they just like him because he is young and he is angry, which taps into their frustrations.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
68. ah, see? we have cruz talking in our neighborhood. lol. how easy to address.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:46 PM
May 2015

we have so many fundamentalists that i would not be surprise they are good with it. and our women and liberal men are more richardson, that means clinton, to a sanders which they would see more a kerry

i THINK... just thinking here.

DURHAM D

(32,620 posts)
70. The reaction by everyone I encounter is
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:56 PM
May 2015

negative toward Bernie. They don't know much about him except that he is from back East...that place where everyone looks down on the people in the fly over states and think they are better than them.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
74. I have only heard from my son, with peers and teachers that listen.
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:04 PM
May 2015

I have not even got out and about. I was so a part 2004, and it killed me, I am telling you. Lol. Obama was prett good. I didn't interact with rw

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
123. Agree completely.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:17 PM
May 2015

All who have been so insultingly addressed by the RW are pushed beyond the human limit by the policies of exclusion.
The Right Wing Exclusive Club has narrowed itself to the point of revolt at the polls by everyone else in this country.

I hope the Dem candidate has long enough coattails in 2016 to rebalance the House & Senate along with their Presidency.


misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
99. As far as I know Austin is the only one announced.
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:59 PM
May 2015

It will be held at the home of Suzanne & Marc Winkleman. A fundraiser & it will be held on the same day Rick Perry announces his Pres bid in Dallas.
The Clinton team had this date scheduled prior to Perry's announcement. Hers is private where Perry's will be very public & yes it will consume the local news. Not a bad thing for Hillary as she prefers to remain out of the eye of the Press.
The coincidence, however will give Perry some fuel to his rabid Tx supporters fire. I'm sure he will offer a few mocking comments as to Hillary being in Austin.

As to the other Tx campaign stops, none have been announced yet. Either due to logistics or simply remaining silent from the prying press.

She will do well in Tx. Many love her & the rest despise her. Kind of like DU In GD.

YES, Texas Women's University would be a great place to meet her strong supporters and deliver a big poke in the eye to a few Tx TeaPubbies.

I hope she does a stop at TWU. Its also a great mix of constituents.



MineralMan

(146,368 posts)
29. Yes, probably.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:00 PM
May 2015

Right now, Senator Sanders is backed by a fairly thin group of sui disant progressives. I'm not sure that support will extend very far past that demographic. I'm going to caucus for him, because I like where he comes from. I doubt, though, that he will prevail in my state of Minnesota, given what I know about its political positions.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
40. I don't doubt the passion of Sanders supporters, but McGovern had very passionate supporters as well
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:13 PM
May 2015

Just sayin'.....

MineralMan

(146,368 posts)
42. Frankly, so did Kucinich.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:14 PM
May 2015

In fact, he had some of the same supporters now supporting Senator Sanders. For whatever that's worth...

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
61. That's the plan and I believe she can pull it off but not without difficulty...
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:36 PM
May 2015

That's the plan and I believe she can pull it off but not without difficulty... Many African Americans would have walked over hot coals to vote for Barack Obama. It will be a challenge to recreate that enthusiasm.


I do believe her strong support for the ACA and relaxed immigration puts her in good stead with Latinos.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
72. The moment Hillary accepted Obama's invite for Sec of State, all was forgiven & forgotten.
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:03 PM
May 2015

By putting the bitter primary behind them, and becoming part of a team, she helped supporters & the country to GET OVER IT. And the fact that she did it with such grace, endeared her to many of her former foes.

!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
85. This isn't "some of my best friends are black" posts but it is...
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:35 PM
May 2015

I lost everything in the Great Recession and my gf and I would have been homeless if it wasn't for my friend who was black. He was one of the most amazing people in the world. He joined the Army when he was seventeen and was awarded Bronze Stars In Korea and Nam... He was from Selma, Alabama so you know he saw bigotry first hand... Interestingly enough he said while things were far from perfect his family's relationship with white folks were mostly cordial. I asked him how he could serve in a military that was treating his people shabbily...He said he joined because he needed money and also because he believed in the promise of America...He served twenty years in the military and then another twenty years in the civilian military. Somewhere along the way he invested in a small community black owned bank and his investment turned into over one million dollars.

Him and his wife were good friends to my mom who I took care of because she was older and disabled...His wife told my mom that she was like a grandmother to her. I told Nate, her husband, that makes me your son...He would literally introduce me to folks as his son...When his brother died he chose me to go with him from his home in Orlando to Jacksonville to help him with the arrangements. His brother wanted to be buried in Army Blues so we went to a Army Surplus store in Jacksonville. Some parts of Jacksonville are more like South Georgia than they are Florida... I was in the store with Nate and his two nieces...The clerk didn't know if I was with them and asked me if I needed help...Nate said "that's my son". LOL


Any way I witnessed how torn they were during the 08 election between Barack and Hillary...It was sad that it was both their time at the same time...Hopefully HRC wins this time and this story has a happy ending.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
93. What a terrific story. Having lived in the South, with brief relocations to Pittsburgh, most of....
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:49 PM
May 2015

my life, I can say that although racism exists, lifelong bonds have been formed with my white counterparts. You and I are living proof that there are people of goodwill across all demographics.


But for the entrance of Barack Obama in the '08 race, Hillary Clinton would be finishing up her second term, and Obama would have been announcing his intentions to run. There are no Barack Obama(s) waiting in the wings to run against Hillary. When Obama exploded onto the national stage in 2004, we knew he was destined to do big things someday. He was charismatic, an exceptional orator, and his lineage was like nothing we'd ever seen before in a president.

There's only one democrat in the country who can keep the WH in Democratic hands, and I think we both know who it is.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
102. He was incredible...
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:03 PM
May 2015

I met him while I was trying to trim a palm tree in my yard. I had no concept what I was doing... He saw me and took whatever the instrument I was using and completed the task in five minutes. One time the chute to my dryer was clogged...It was on the top of my roof... I told him I would call a service and have it cleaned...He insisted on going up on the roof and doing it himself...He's 76 years old...I said "your wife is going to kill us."


After my mom passed away my friend and I bundled her clothes to give to the Salvation Army. There were thirteen or so bundles...We drove from my home in Lake Mary to the Salvation Army in Casselberry; a thirty minute ride...He was like a dad to ne and I had a problem to tell him but I also had funny things to tell him so I asked him "do you want to hear the funny stuff or the serious stuff first?". He said "the funny stuff" so I spent the whole trip and back telling him funny stuff. When he got back home after an hour or so of talking about nothing he told me his brother died, the same brother we went up to Jacksonville to see a few days ago.


sheshe2

(84,196 posts)
172. I posted that speech a short time ago, Taheel.
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:54 PM
May 2015

I remember watching him all those years ago. I was thunderstruck by his passion. Anyone listening knew, he was going places.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026644858

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
175. I get chills to this day she. I remember coming in to work the next day, and it was all anyone could
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:00 PM
May 2015

talk about. It was, without exception, the most magnificent introduction to a future president in my lifetime. He's had to weather many storms, but I think history will be much kinder than the present day.

sheshe2

(84,196 posts)
87. I agree with you 100%, Tarheel.
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:36 PM
May 2015

That is one of my favorite images of Obama and Clinton, as is this~

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
90. I love that picture. My favorite, however, will forever be the one where they welcomed home the....
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:39 PM
May 2015

caskets of those killed in Benghazi. When she reached out her hand to him, it was such a genuine moment, and I'll never forget it.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
64. ITA. In every forum in Spanish I read Hillary is already seen as the next president
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:39 PM
May 2015

Even a great number of Cuban-Americans support her -which carries a lot of weight considering Rubio and Cruz

MineralMan

(146,368 posts)
67. Thanks for your report.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:42 PM
May 2015

My Spanish is not good enough to read forums in Spanish, I'm afraid. I'm OK with conversational stuff, but not fluent enough for complicated discussion.

What you say matches what I've been hearing, though.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
125. I am so relieved to hear this news. 2016 cannot go to the GOP.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:21 PM
May 2015

I hope they lose with such astonishing numbers that it breaks them forever.
Reasonable people know what is at stake.
Thanks for your post.

TBF

(32,208 posts)
147. She definitely does - at least down here in Texas.
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:27 PM
May 2015

I'm not convinced that will throw the primaries her way, but it definitely is not insignificant.

Bernie is not as well known so he will have to make his positions known to these demographics - no doubt about it.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
9. Bookmark this post
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:32 PM
May 2015

African American and Latinos represent thirty percent of Democratic primary voters. Hillary will get 90% of these votes... That's 27%... She will get at least 60% of the rest...That means she gets at least 70% of the primary vote.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. i see clinton getting black and hispanic vote. i see sanders, youth, white, middle upper. sanders
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:37 PM
May 2015

has to get his out there.

and i see youth as my boys. educate and their surrounding in the panhandle of tx. diverse, higher education, higher income.

i hear hillary has a lot of that vote in other parts of the country.

i think we watch to see if sanders can get some of those numbers from clinton.

and i could be wrong. lol

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
20. That's the irony...
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:44 PM
May 2015

Hillary's detractors suggest she's part of the elite but her strength comes from the most disadvantaged members of our party...

I respectfully disagree with you about young voters...She will do much better than Bernie among that group because of the strength of the Clinton brand.


 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
22. yes the irony. that i am not allowed to say. here is the thing with the young vote... in my area.
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:50 PM
May 2015

we have a different kinda liberal in the west, and especially my west now. it goes to the liberal new mexico and utah and colorado.... kansas, so on.

az? i am not sure anymore. lol.

but the middle and upper really are focused more on what sanders is discussing. now.... new orleans (and what gov is doing to kansas school) are right there with clinton.

these dynamics are really interesting. my oldest, spending his university time in new orleans, is on the way home for the summer. i am really interested to see what he has to say, his peers here, and his peers in new orleans.

and ya... i was surprised the high number of youth supporting clinton, after sanders declared. so, i do not know. but, that is what he has to go after, i think.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. Same dynamic we had in NY State with Cuomo.
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:52 PM
May 2015

His primary opponent did best in affluent white areas, but Cuomo won by humungous margins amongst people of color.

Explanations include everything from name recognition to "we don't have the luxury of taking a risk in the general" thinking

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
30. Hillary lost the nomination in 08 because she was hemorrhaging African American votes.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:00 PM
May 2015

That's extraordinarily unlikely to happen again.



"we don't have the luxury of taking a risk in the general"



THIS

Working class and lower middle class folks are more concerned about table issues than ethereal notions like the 1%/99% divide. As I said in another thread there will be a negative relationship between education and income and support for HRC in the primaries. As education and income of the voters goes up her support will go down.
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
49. "Working class and lower middle class folks are more concerned about table issues"
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:22 PM
May 2015

You got that right. A president Cruz and a republican controlled Congress and SCOTUS would be an absolute menace to my family and myself.

I don't have the luxury of a fat bank account/401k or high paying job to fall back on when some rainbow farting leftist independent loses the election in a landslide to the teahaddists.

We are either going to win big with Hillary or lose big with Bernie. I can't afford Bernie, most democrats can't either.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
75. "rainbow farting leftist independent" who will save your job and win the election.
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:09 PM
May 2015

Hillary, not so much.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
224. SKP, do you have any support for this position
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:39 PM
May 2015

besides hope and an admirable loyalty to your candidate?

Because I can tell you right upfront that Senator Sanders--and I like him a lot--can't deny Texas to the Republicans.

Hillary can. She touches a nerve with people of color and even with conservative women. If she can turn Texas blue it's all over for the Republicans, right there. Finis. The Supreme Court will be protected. Women's and LGBT rights will be preserved.

We can't afford to take risks this time around. If we gamble and lose, we'll be immeasurably worse off than we are now, and there won't be another chance for improvement for a generation. Which assumes there will be anything left to save because environmental degradation will be allowed to proceed unhindered.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
231. Right now it's Sanders. O'Malley may gain speed, it's early yet.
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:02 AM
May 2015

When the time comes, I hope we'll make the right choice.

I don't share the feeling that only she can beat the GOP, I think it's way too soon to tell how well others will do.

Naturally, she's had so much exposure, ran a close race once already, so she's going to poll well.

As it is primary season, I'm going to go all out for Sanders for now, then maybe Sanders and O'Malley, and possibly Warren should she change her mind.

After the primaries, it's a whole new ballgame to fight the GOP with what we get.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
76. I tend to agree...The data suggests Hillary will win but it's not a slam dunk...
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:16 PM
May 2015

Our nation is split almost right down the middle with our side having a slightly, slightly, slightly...larger side.

I look at politics as war by other means. It's a blood sport...I can't see think of any Democratic candidate in 016 I rather have as my leader in it.


 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
21. I think Bernie will do well with Black Lives Matter voters
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:45 PM
May 2015

and union affiliated hispanics in California.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. i will be really interested to watch blacklivesmatter. i question that. but all these are guesses,
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:51 PM
May 2015

i get that.

this is what i find fascinating about this particular primary.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
36. "Black Lives Matter voters" are the black community & 87% of us favor Hillary. Just ask these guys.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:07 PM
May 2015


Black America has already made it's choice, you just haven't accepted it yet.



And I have it on pretty good authority that another endorsement is on the way.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
38. another thing we fail at, is actually listen to the black lives that surely do matter.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:09 PM
May 2015


thank you for the well made point.
 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
100. Oprah has been critical of black lives matter.
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:00 PM
May 2015
https://www.popularresistance.org/oprah-sharpton-attack-black-lives-matter-movement/ Celebrities aren't black lives matter.

Look I don't think black lives matter has much overlap with ofa, even if both are primarily black. The former is issue orientated. The latter is personality orientated. I don't think early polls matter much. I don't believe favorability says anything about enthusiasm. My bet is that a Clinton Bush election will be low turnout and that most Obama ethusiasts will be noshows.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
114. FYI: Issues & personality aren't mutually exclusive. And I predict you're wrong. Try, as you may,
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:02 PM
May 2015

you won't drive any wedges between the black community & Black Lives Matter. President Obama is excoriated routinely, by some black activists, because he said something that pissed them off. They are the minority. But, at the end of the day, they still got his back. Same with Oprah. BET ON IT!

Although, 87% is not unanimous, that's as close as anyone is going to get to damn near universal approval in the modern day. And I'll go even further...Bernie Sanders won't even come close.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
121. I think there is a class divide in the black community
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:14 PM
May 2015

like in the rest of America. I didn't create it, no matter how much you try to make it seem that way. Approval has nothing to do with ethusiasm. Early polls are lible to change and trash talking me won't change it if it does. He won't be running so whether they have his back or not doesn't mean anything vis a vis Hillary.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
124. The most reliable Democratic constituency will have much to be enthused about. It's the young...
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:19 PM
May 2015

white college educated who are quite easily "disillusioned", and that's Bernie's constituency. "Name recognition"; "too early"; "Turd Way", etc. all add up to the same thing. Pre-emptive excuses for an inevitable loss.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
131. I don't view myself as having much in common with Kim Kardashian so it is hard
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:32 PM
May 2015

for me to believe black lives matter feel much in common with her husband.

When you look at issues, who will they appreciate more? Someone who offers them free college or someone who offers them a bit of debt relief. Will they appreciate someone who outsources their jobs, then tells them to go to colleges they can't afford so the can pay the debt, or be losers forever? Or will they appreciate someone who preserves their working class jobs and makes it easy for them to improve from there, with free University education? Will tbey want someone who offers them a voucher for a conman run charter school or someone who is willing to fund their neighborhood school? There are so many things neoliberals like Hillary compare poorly on if your not rich. Bernie can beat Hillary with issue orientated movements, and that includes black lives matter.

I think they enjoyed Obama's success vicariously but that CAN'T transfer to Hillary, for obvious reasons.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
138. It already transferred. 87% worth. You keep insinuating that "Black Lives Matter" is some behemoth
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:55 PM
May 2015

separate and apart from the black community at large. IT"S NOT! Let me explain something to you. Blacks are overwhelmingly affiliated with the Democratic Party. We are, by history, predisposed to the all inclusive Democratic platform. We are Democrats. Bernie Sanders is NOT. Hillary won't be dumped for someone who joined the party two minutes ago to take advantage of the infrastructure built by Democrats.

Black Lives Matter is pretty much an extension of the Civil Rights groups of yesteryear, many of whom are intimately involved in the movement. There may be a faction of this subgroup who will find another candidate more attractive, but that's a teeny tiny minority, comparatively speaking. But I'm just black, I probably don't know what I'm talking about.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
149. No I am not. I just don't think OFA is the black community.
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:47 PM
May 2015

Nor do I think the civil rights movement has anything to do with Democrats. The Democrats in the South at that time were dixiecrats.

I am 47 have been a registered Dem since I was 18. Someone who joined it yesterday has just as much right as me to participate in a primary caucus, and is just as welcome.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
153. Why are you conflating "OFA" & "the black community"? Is there some point to that?
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:18 PM
May 2015

OFA is the original Obama coalition, made up of every race, gender & sexual orientation under the sun. What's your point? And whatever point you're trying to make about the Civil Rights Movement and the Democratic Party is just waaaayyyy off. The two are as interwoven as rightwing fundamentalism and the GOP. And if you were a member of Democratic party for as long as you claim, you'd probably know that.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
170. It's a variation of the "MLK was a Republican"/Byrd was a Democrat and a klansman" narrative ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:53 PM
May 2015

curious that it is coming from a Democrat since 18?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
229. The President who jawboned the Civil Rights Act
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:57 PM
May 2015

and the Voting Rights Act through a reluctant Congress was a Democrat. It cost LBJ every atom of political clout he had.

If not for Vietnam, those two pieces of legislation would have earned him a place among our greatest Presidents.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
168. So YOU think something about groups ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:48 PM
May 2015

even though someone who lives in those groups tells you something different about those groups?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
165. Say this again ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:44 PM
May 2015
Black Lives Matter is pretty much an extension of the Civil Rights groups of yesteryear, many of whom are intimately involved in the movement. There may be a faction of this subgroup who will find another candidate more attractive, but that's a teeny tiny minority, comparatively speaking.


especially, this part:

There may be a faction of this subgroup who will find another candidate more attractive, but that's a teeny tiny minority, comparatively speaking


As that holds true for the Democratic Party, as well.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
173. Exactly. Don't you just love it when folks of another race try to explain "black folks" to us.
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:55 PM
May 2015

As a member of both the Democratic Party, and the Guilford County Chapter of the NAACP since my college days, I know for a fact that civil rights groups are intimately involved in Black Lives Matter. I don't need someone of another race to "school me" on such matters.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
192. He is offering pie in the sky except it is pie in the sky with a wrinkle...It's pie right here.
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:00 PM
May 2015

Black folks know there is no such thing as a free lunch, that the president is not going to give them free college, great jobs, and free health care...

That's why Malcolm X was so critical of the black preacher class; because they were promising pie in the sky and distracting them from their real condition.


That's what Bernie offers...They know his programs don't have a snow ball's chance in Hell of being enacted and his nomination would only result in a Republican presidential victory that makes their life worse...

Rich white liberal elites are playing with house money... Most African americans are playing with their own.


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
207. +1 ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:07 PM
May 2015

Finally a white guy that gets it!

Black folks know there is no such thing as a free lunch, that the president is not going to give them free college, great jobs, and free health care...


And, Black folks don't believe in the "American Dream" ... so there!

That's what Bernie offers...They know his programs don't have a snow ball's chance in Hell of being enacted


And as much as I like what he is saying ... we (all of those willing to acknowledge reality) have nearly 30 years of a legislative record to reflect upon ... most of his most celebrated votes were against stuff that passed and for stuff that failed ... and most of his legislation is stuff that never got out of committee.

For me ... that's not a lot to look forward to.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
218. Ever see the movie "Lakeview Terrace"
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:25 PM
May 2015

Samuel L Jackson plays this bad cop who harrases his interracial neighbors... There's a scene where the white guy who is married to the black woman is sitting in his car blasting his rap music... Jackson's character says " you can listen to this rap music all night but you can never be black." I thought that was hilarious but seriously if you listen to people you can develop a bond and have empathy for them...

A lot of people on this board remind me of Michael Stivic's character in "All In the Family" They are highly educated but their education is from a textbook and they never gets past the theory stage. There was an episode where two black guys break into their home and hold Archie, Gloria, Edith, and Michael hostage...It ended non violently because they identified with Edith because of her authenticity... While they were being hold hostage Michael says " I understand why you are doing this. I know the plight of the black man. It is because of your disadvantaged environment." the African American guy says how do you know that and Michael says " I learned it in my Sociology course." The back guy says "Lookie what we have here, a white liberaall..."

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
234. Yeah ... I liked that movie ...
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:17 AM
May 2015

I like most of Samuel L. Jackson's body of work ... and I told so, once when I ran into him at a golf course. He invited me to play a round with him after I told him I loved his role in The Long Kiss Goodnight and Black Snake Moan and asked him what the hell he was thinking in taking Snakes on a Plane?

I remember that episode of All in the Family; but I don't equate these DUers to Mike Stivic's character ... at least he thought he was doing the right thing for someone else. Nope, these DUers aren't doing anything for someone else; but rather, are trying to game others to do something for them ... and think they are smooth enough that others won't know.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
235. Jackson had so many great roles
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:24 AM
May 2015

Coach Carter-loved his disquisition on the N word
Django Unchained- When he read for Stephen's part he said he would become the most hated black man in America
Jungle Fever-where he played the crack addict and literally ululated
Pulp Fiction- His quote from Ezekiel
Goodfellas- he played the driver in the Lufthansa heist

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
260. Mannn ...
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:30 AM
May 2015

I'm gonna have to have a SLJ movie weekend!

Yes ... he brings something toevery role he takes. If you ever get a chance get the movie Rag Time he plays an unnamed character (his second film) but you just know he's gonna bust out.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
265. I must admit ...
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:17 AM
May 2015

(with head hanging low in shame) ... One of my favorite lines in that Movie is Jamie Fox's response to being recruited to work as a bounty hunter.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
270. It's just a movie...
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:37 AM
May 2015

Is that where he says he gets paid to kill white people?


The scene where he meets Stephen for the first time is probably one of my five favorite movie scenes...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
271. Yep ...
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:43 AM
May 2015

that's the line ... "... What's not to like?!?"

Your going to make me pop the DVD in the DVD machine ... just to re-see that scene.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
275. Okay. That does it ...
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:56 AM
May 2015

I'm headed out of town (to visit BabyGirl 1SBM). I'm taking the DVD with me to watch!

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
276. People who think education is a right are after a "free lunch?" Sounds like Rush Limbaugh
Fri May 22, 2015, 11:09 AM
May 2015

I wonder why so many Hillary supporters seem like they would be more at home on a republican messageboard?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
278. I would tell you what you could do with your ad hominem but I don't want to afoul...
Fri May 22, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015

I would tell you what you could do with your ad hominem but I don't want to run afoul of the Terms Of Service.


I will leave it to your fertile imagination to divine what I would like to tell you.


KISSES
DemocratSinceBirth

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
279. you want to reflect the discussion you jumped into, with this little fit? blackman talking basic
Fri May 22, 2015, 11:25 AM
May 2015

human rights. fuck. the right to exist. NOT be shot in the black. gays, the simple HUMAN right afforded ot the rest of us. women and girls life, and not being imprisoned because of their body.

jumping in here to call them republican?

are you gonna challenge them at being rw trolls now?

think this one thru.

were you just read 87% AA support clinton.

tell them what repugs they are

JustAnotherGen

(32,131 posts)
155. I disagree on the class divide
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:20 PM
May 2015

1. Who CAN vote in the black community? Women
2. Regardless of our financial standing - we share the same fears and experiences.


Class means very little to black folks -

The break will come down to pro same sex marriage and pro choice. Those few who are so entrenched in being against those - vote Rupublican anyways.

And as your finances get more solid - you have more time to focus on the issues that impact your community.

Being affluent with an advanced degree won't prevent you being pulled over for driving while black in your own neighborhood. Ask 1stringblackman - he had an experience like this early September last year that he posted about in the AA group.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time - just asking you to proceed with caution re class being a divider in the black community.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
162. "just asking you to proceed with caution re class being a divider in the black community."
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:38 PM
May 2015

Thank you. That "class divide" the poster speaks of exists within families, and at the end of the day, we still vote our hopes, dreams, and sometimes our fears. And that vote goes, overwhelmingly, to the Democratic Party.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
166. It's like that old joke - what do you call a black man with two PhDs? Nigger.
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:44 PM
May 2015

Class has never been for us the rallying battle cry that it's been for white people. We have always had to be more concerned with getting our basic rights and being able to live lives free from oppression and terror, even when we work tooth and nail and follow "the rules."

JustAnotherGen

(32,131 posts)
176. So true
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:01 PM
May 2015

We've also observed a lot of it thrown at a man who earned everything he has accomplished for 8 years - and then with the déjà vu Emmett incidences -

We have to be concerned now more than ever.

Let's put it this way - the mouth foamers are angry. I worry for Jim Webb - because his wife will make him an easy target. They don't have it out of their system. Those folks will just pile on even more so.

I can't help feeling this way.im going to worry about her personal safety just as much as I do Michelle Obamas. And I think your husband and my husband know precisely where that comes from.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
181. Exactly. You think my advanced degree and experience living in multiple countries means one damn
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:09 PM
May 2015

thing to certain people? The look at me and see BLACK which automatically lessens everything I say and feel. Then they probably see WOMAN. Then, depending on where I am, they see American.

And you're right -- look at how Obama has been treated by the left and right. He has worked his ass off, dealing with personal and emotional crap that most people couldn't imagine. His wife has as well. They have both worked their asses of, they are both intelligent, decent, hard working people who are regularly called every name under the sun by the right and a worthless Trojan Horse piece of shit by those on the "left." And black folks aren't supposed to see this and know exactly what this means?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
182. Earlier in this thread someone asked about the polling numbers for ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:09 PM
May 2015

Bernie among Black folks ... and the response was it's too early. I found that curious sense every preference poll that I have participated in, asked my demography. So off to the google I went. I found nothing ... but what I did find was a 2014 interview of Bernie where he talked about race. His response gave me pause, and prompted me to write:

I think it would be a mistake for Bernie to ignore the African-American vote. And it would be an equally fatal mistake to think that lumping the African-American vote in with all other working class people, is a winning strategy for attracting the African-American vote.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
184. Speak on it #23! I love how you just break it down to its natural essence. "Two PhDs". N***
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:16 PM
May 2015

You sound like my beloved and dearly departed grandmother. She was so concerned when I accepted my first job out of college, and she learned I would be the only AA in the office. She never imagined that her descendants could possibly work in an office without a mop & bucket.

As you said, "Class has never been for us the rallying battle cry that it's been for white people". So many of them never wanted to be associated with us, no matter what our class.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
186. Well ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:24 PM
May 2015
"Class has never been for us the rallying battle cry that it's been for white people".


That's because class is their only battle. But sadly, the more I see, the more convinced I am that their Class "concern" will evaporate the moment they (personally) can afford to live in that gate community.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
190. Class "concern" will evaporate the moment they (personally) can afford to live in that gate communit
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:36 PM
May 2015


Thanks to #23 for that most appropriate GIF. Y'all are preaching tonight.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
195. There's a thousand variations of it. It's a paraphrase of a Malcolm X comment
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:16 PM
May 2015

"Do you know what white racists call black Ph.D.'s?: 'Nigger!'?"

http://www.alexhaley.com/malcolm_x.htm

But that jokes applies to alot of stuff. What do you call a black man with a Ferrari? What do you call a black CEO? What do you call a black President of the United States?

Always the same answer. Which is one reason why the "class" issue has never divided black people the way it has others.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
204. well, you heard about the Google Maps problem when you put in the words ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 10:54 PM
May 2015

"nigger house" it would take you directly to the White House.

How things have changed. Not.

Google has apologised after searches which include the racist slur “nigger” were shown to find the White House in Google Maps.

Searches for “nigger house”, in a global view of the world, and for “nigger king”, when focused on in the Washington DC greater area, return with the home of the US president Barack Obama as either the primary search result or one of three.


http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/20/google-apologises-racist-google-maps-white-house-search-results

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
206. then there is a group of our dems that just are not concerned with that. the man has money, so what
Thu May 21, 2015, 10:56 PM
May 2015

does he have to gripe about

on a democratic board. in 2015.

it is ALL about the $

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
177. Thank you ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:01 PM
May 2015
And as your finances get more solid - you have more time to focus on the issues that impact your community.


Yes ... and those affluent Black folks that distance themselves from poor Black folks ... also distance themselves political and tend to vote republican.

JI7

(89,317 posts)
228. yes, Blacks, hispanics, and asians who vote republican usually do so because of religion
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:57 PM
May 2015

they tend to have the usual right wing leaning views on social issues . the good thing is these types among all 3 groups tend to be a small number so you still get a large majority that votes democratic.

Response to betterdemsonly (Reply #121)

uponit7771

(90,380 posts)
328. Not when it comes to the police, not matter how rich blacks are harassed equally..even black cops
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:12 AM
May 2015

... feel harrased

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
94. She will garner over 90% of African American and Latino voters regardless of where they live...
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:50 PM
May 2015

I suspect Bernie, if he is still campaigning, will do well in areas where Democratic voters are more affluent and educated.

I can't break down a map precinct by precinct the way some political scientists can but , for instance in L A, i expect that while Bernie won't capture majorities in any area he will do a lot better, in say Santa Monica, Westwood, and Century City than he will do in Boyle Heights, Baldwin Hills, and Crenshaw.


Before I lived in CA I lived in FL. I don't see a lot of natural constituencies there for him.


We'll see...It's just my opinion though I believe it's a informed one...

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
119. I guess the question is how much of an impact
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:09 PM
May 2015

this will have early in NH, IA, NV and CO. I think the African American population in SC would certainly make the analysis significant there.

It seems clear to me, at least at this point, that if Bernie were to have a serious shot at upsetting Hillary one of a few things must happen. Something significantly bad would have to happen to Hillary's campaign; something significantly great would have to happen for Bernie; or something would have to change and shape the narrative of the race.

I doubt Hillary will implode, but stranger things have happened. It is possible that some national or international event could occur that would give Bernie an opening, too.

But Bernie, in my opinion, will have to bank on the narrative of the race carrying him and play small ball. He can't afford a huge national campain at this point. He has to make his movement in the first few contests, start closing that gap so that there can at least be the momentum, rising star, horse race narrative.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
144. The more homogeneous the state the better Bernie's chances.
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:14 PM
May 2015

NV and CO are heterogeneous states.


I was thinking of historical parallels to Bernie's candidacy in our generation (1984-present) and which candidates occupied the same political if not ideological space as Bernie, i.e., an outsider... In 84 you had Hart, an outsider, who did quite well but he was an incredibly charismatic guy with a cowboy aura however he couldn't beat the insider Mondale because of his strength among traditional Democratic constituencies and it was probably even harder for Mondale because Jesse Jackson stripped him of a significant Democratic constituency, African Americans... The 88 race is a little fuzzy to me now... I just remember Dukakis and Jackson. In 1992 you had Tsongas running an outsider race and while he did well with elites he eventually got crushed by Clinton because of his appeal to more traditional Democratic voters... 00, the insider Gore crushes the outsider Bradley for roughly the same reasons his boss vanquished Tsongas. In O4 the insider Kerry beat the outsiders...In 08 you had a lot of insiders; Obama, Clinton, Dodd, and Richardson and Obama emerged victorious.


I enjoy our conversation.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
188. Don't be so polite ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:28 PM
May 2015
The more homogeneous WHITE the state the better Bernie's chances BUT only in upsetting HRC.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
215. I'm SAYING that ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:16 PM
May 2015

Bernie's appeal is young, above median incomed, educated whites. He has limited appeal to Black folks (of any income level), Hispanics (of any income level), and lower incomed LGBTs.

That's what I'm saying.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
262. I, admittedly, have limited contact with higher incomed gay folks ...
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:43 AM
May 2015

but the lower incomed folks I work with aren't about Bernie, at this point.

BainsBane

(53,137 posts)
10. Also the group least represented on this site
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:33 PM
May 2015

which is demographically far more homogeneous than the party or even US society at large.

The fact is African Americans and other people of color are the base of the Democratic party, not those who think the rest of Americans are too inferior to even be considered Democrats.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
16. ya. i am now walking, that gay/black/women are one. that gives us greater numbers
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:39 PM
May 2015

Last edited Thu May 21, 2015, 02:18 PM - Edit history (1)

now... do the others want us or not. that is another perspective we will watch (we, as in me) over the next couple months.

MineralMan

(146,368 posts)
18. Hispanic community leaders have declared that their votes
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:40 PM
May 2015

will elect the next President. They could be right.

And you're right. Those demographics are very poorly represented on DU.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
44. Statements like this are why this place is great.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:15 PM
May 2015

It will change how I think about the base. It is so true.

"The fact is African Americans and other people of color are the base of the Democratic party, not those who think the rest of Americans are too inferior to even be considered Democrats."

We put ourselves in a bubble sometimes and don't look outside of it. The base here is a bunch of fairly well to do white people, myself included. Truly not representative of the strongest voting block percentage wise for progress in the country.

Thank you for that statement. It will change my thoughts going forward.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
107. And one critical look at how African-Americans ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:38 PM
May 2015

are treated on this site, will tell you why the HRC "hate" does not/will not extend beyond the du screen.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
109. Yep. And there were even black posters that didn't like Obama that were still run off or left
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:54 PM
May 2015

DU because of the nastiness directed towards black posters and the black community.

And as small as our numbers are, the number of Hispanics here is even smaller.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
135. DU ain't even the same DU it was a few years ago! I'm surprised we are even allowed to type
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:43 PM
May 2015

the words REAL WORLD on this web site it's so far removed from any and everything real.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
142. Girl, they are flat out not even pretending anymore. There's another thread in GD right now
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:03 PM
May 2015

as we speak with an OP talking about how Iowa Democrats are "fleeing" Hillary. The source of this OP is a self-described "libertarian scripture based web site" that also features other articles about how liberals are pushing pedophilia on quivering American masses.

And I'm sure you'll be as shocked as I am by the folks supporting that dreck! Like I said, not even pretending anymore.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
148. That doesn't shock me at all; nothing I read here actually shocks me anymore. The handful of....
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:27 PM
May 2015

black posters left at this site will just have to hunker down, and pray for an end to the madness. It's insinuated, from a very unlikely source, that blacks only like her because we know her name. Can you believe that? We don't know our own minds is the intended message. I've got news, I know my mind, and I'm not as easily "disillusioned" as some among us.

I was not a Hillary supporter in '08, but she's gone out of her way to make amends for the actions of her campaign team, and some of her more distasteful supporters. I believe in redemption. I recognize that some of my fellow Obama supporters have reservations, and they're certainly entitled, but just like my support for Obama, my support for Hillary is my own.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
154. I understand and I respect that 100%. For the most part, I find most of the anti-Hillary stuff
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:20 PM
May 2015

posted here to be laughably stupid. I mean, I wish I could be more polite and call it "hyperbole" and "dishonest" but really, it's just laughably stupid -- along with those other two descriptors as well, of course.

The latest theme tossed around is that people who post polls that show her with 65, 75, 85% support from liberals, liberal Democrats and Democrats are "bullying." We heard that same shit when Lozocollo used to plop Obama's approval rating among Dems into the midst of regularly scheduled feverish feeding frenzies from folks here about how horrible he was, how no Democrats supported him and what a fascist corpo-Dem he was.

So yeah, the "she's only favorable because people know her" meme is being tossed around and by the usual "high quality" posters here. But it doesn't fly and as has been pointed out, I am sick and tired of people basically TELLING black people owhy we think/feel/act certain ways. It never seems to occur to people that maybe eighty FREAKING seven percent of black people support Hillary because (gasp!) they actually just LIKE her.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
246. It feels like a board I left where the Cons kept insisting black people voted for PBO because they
Fri May 22, 2015, 01:36 AM
May 2015
were intellectually inferior and lazy! Of course, they said a woman could never be POTUS! Think of a woman having PMS and her hand on the red button! Oh, no, it would be TEOTW! I just had to leave, I couldn't take wingnut science anymore.



See what big teeth I have? I'm hungry.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
19. Where were they in 2010 and 2014? We lost states where their turnout was decisive and
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:41 PM
May 2015

they just didn't turn out for 3 conservative Hillary like white women. All these Hillary like white women were in Southern states. Tennessee, North Carolina, and Georgia. All those women trumpeted Hillary love. We lost all of those elections badly because people who voted Obama in 2008 were no shows. Viewing her favorably doesn't mean they are motivated to vote for her the way the were for Obama.

Hispanic voters didn't give a damn about Hillary like Wendy Davis and she lost more badly than the last Democratic candidate for Governor. 50% of hispanic men, voted for Abbot.

MineralMan

(146,368 posts)
23. They sat at home, like so many Democrats did.
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:50 PM
May 2015

We turn out in lousy numbers for mid-term elections. Even in Minnesota, the 2014 turnout was below average. We lost our state House to the Republicans due to that. Too bad, too.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
32. Al Franken won in wipeout which was predicted. The Hillary clones in the Southern States all lost
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:03 PM
May 2015

Hagan could probably have won. She was the incumbent, but the turnout doomed her.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
35. I don't think you can lay the fact...
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:07 PM
May 2015

I don't think you can lay the fact that there are only three Democratic senators (Kane, Warner, and Nelson) from the states that comprise The Old Confederacy at the feet of Hillary Clinton. That is a trend that has been developing for fifty years.


 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
43. She was the incumbent, elected for the first time in 2008 with Obama on the ticket
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:15 PM
May 2015

6 years later, in 2014 Obama's not on the ticket and she loses badly in a low turnout election with the ppp polls showing it a dead heat.

Remember Incumbents have a 90% chance of getting reelected. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/house-and-senate-incumbent-re-election-rates-top-90/

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
50. Precisely...
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:24 PM
May 2015

General elections historically have larger and consequently more diverse electorates, ergo:







If Obama was on the ballot even though he lost NC by a hair in 012 Hagen probably wins because of a bigger turnout and she would have likely squeezed out some ticket splitters.


Same with my former home state...Skeletor Scott never beats Crist in a general election year. He was the beneficiary of a smaller and more homogeneous electorate.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
60. Iowa and Wisconsin were close elections with high turnouts. The dems still lost
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:33 PM
May 2015

but it was not turnout related like it was in North Carolina. So it isn't true all off year elections have low turnout. It is true in red states Obama won, which were lost in 2010 and 2014.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
69. There was still a substantial drop off between general and mid term participation
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:54 PM
May 2015

IA 012 (General Election) voter participation was 73.28%


http://sos.iowa.gov/elections/pdf/2012/general/turnout.pdf

IA 014 ( Mid Term Election)voter participation was 53.31%


http://sos.iowa.gov/elections/pdf/2014/general/turnout.pdf

That's still a 28% drop off...

You can repeat the exercise for WI. I suspect we would see similar results.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,263 posts)
86. Exactly. It could be argued that even Elizabeth Warren owes her Senate seat to Obama's....
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:35 PM
May 2015

2012 victory in MA. In a state the president won by 23 points, she only won by 8. If the president had not been on the ticket for that race, we might be saying Senator Brown right now.

MineralMan

(146,368 posts)
37. Yes, he did. He has become a popular Senator in MN.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:08 PM
May 2015

Turnout was still dismal, though. But Franken has proven himself to Minnesota voters, so he won handily, after almost losing in 2008. He's just plain doing a good job, and was rewarded for that.

I can't speak for other states. I don't follow those races closely.

JI7

(89,317 posts)
58. yes.it's always important to consider the political makeup
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:31 PM
May 2015

Of states and districts. Jerry Brown wasnt going to get that type of win in Texas .

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
71. I believe he won with around 59% of the vote.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:57 PM
May 2015

He's a remarkably effective and pragmatic governor...I don't believe he's some progressive warrior though...

JustAnotherGen

(32,131 posts)
152. You left off Kentucky
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:00 PM
May 2015

You had even a sniff of running against Obama as a Democrat (Grimes did this blatantly) folks weren't going to support you.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
34. Another day, another poll showing the vast majority of democrats love Hillary
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:06 PM
May 2015

Yay!


Oh except here on the Bernie Underground of course!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
39. Not interested in the Sanders comparison.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:10 PM
May 2015

Also not surprised at the percent who view her favorably. She better not take that support for granted. It is a voting block that has tons of people we need to give a reason to GOTV. It is clear we have dismissed, or at least minimized, the seriousness of the issues surrounding many AA's and the specific issues the deal with on a daily basis.

JI7

(89,317 posts)
46. black support moved from Clinton to Obama after he won iowa
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:17 PM
May 2015

The important point is that it did not mean they no longer liked Clinton.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
55. IMO
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:28 PM
May 2015

After reading all these comments I’m pretty sure the AA vote is going to Hillary, I would have voted for her against Obama early on because I didn’t know him or his politics plus the PUMA’s got real nasty which pissed off the AA community Just saying. This time around Hillary is leading and I don’t think she can be stopped, and that is a good thing, let a woman lead and beanie can be the VP. If these too can meet in the middle on policy we will be in good shape, what can’t happen is a repeat of the PUMA madness, shitting on the other candidate that will not help anyone.


Signed an underrepresented Black Man

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
63. are you f-ing kidding
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:38 PM
May 2015

A true liberal with clinton.that won't happen.She will pick another corporist as VP.

AA's should all know the militazaion of police will continue with eather her or republicans in white house.

Obama may be black but he has done nothing to speak out against police abuses or combat it.He says we should respect police and his justice department says here in MO darren wilson did nothing wrong.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
83. IMO
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:31 PM
May 2015

I think you’re under the impression that the DU represents the general public, it does not. Do you not remember the slogan “he is a guy I can have a beer with” That is the mentality we are dealing with, not a well-educated political juggernaut as is prevalent on the DU. People are going to vote with their guts the GOP doesn’t have a lock on this thought process. I know plenty of DEM’s that will vote on name recognition alone and I’m sure you do to. Obama did what he could as will Clinton and even Bernie if elected, but no one is going to be able to carry water for all the DU issues and or solutions to what ails the country. AA, Woman and most other minorities are going to Vote for Hillary, the race was tight when Obama won it was not a cake walk. Shall we just agree to disagree and have a nice weekend.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
134. It appears you may have missed this.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:40 PM
May 2015

The DOJ slams the Ferguson police department http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/03/ferguson-as-a-criminal-conspiracy-against-its-black-residents-michael-brown-department-of-justice-report/386887/

Obama calls police violence a crisis http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/28/obama_baltimore_press_conference_president_s_comments_on_police_and_poor.html

Obama to ban military weapons http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-ban-military-weapons-sent-local-police-departments

Please do not deign to tell black people what is and should be important to us or what we "should" know, especially when you could not make it more clear that you have no facts to fall back on yourself. Just fucking don't do it.

Cha

(298,393 posts)
227. Your head is in the sand if you think the President has not spoken out against police abuses. Stop
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:53 PM
May 2015

spreading misinformation.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
296. Everything you have said here about President Obama
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:14 AM
May 2015

is false. I hope you take the time to read the links in some of the other replies here. And stop spreading misinformation.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
122. VP doesn't have to be met in the middle or listened to at all Why sacrifice one of our best Senators
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:15 PM
May 2015

to be a hood ornament and head funeral attender?

As far as the black vote goes, the percentage is consistently very strong, it is the amount of turnout that is crucial in making the difference.

JustAnotherGen

(32,131 posts)
256. Plus 1000
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:26 AM
May 2015

We have a chance at the Senate in 2016 - I wouldn't want to lose Sanders if someone else takes the nomination.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
73. If she want to keep the AA community in her corner...
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:04 PM
May 2015

she'd better ensure she keeps their interest like she does the Latino community. Bill de Blasio definitely got their attention. Black Lives Matter


Blacks played a HUGE role 2008 primaries and this will likely continue in 2016.

How does Sanders appeal to African Americans? He's from a tiny homogeneous state with few blacks.

Can Sanders appeal to African Americans the way Hillary and Obama do?

I think this will determine whether or not Sanders is competitive.


There will be a watchful eye out on all candidates that have their interest at heart and that goes for Sanders and Warren and anybody else that want to be competitive, believe me!

BlackClouds

(5 posts)
77. Sanders doesn't know much about racial issues especially Black ones.
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:19 PM
May 2015

His only answer to a whole host of civil rights and racial inequality issues is just tackling income inequality and the safety net. Of course anybody who thinks deeply about these issues should know that problems would remain, even if everybody had a job. He has to study up and make his case but this is one of his bigger weaknesses. I can tell he doesn't know much about Blacks, and the inner city and may appear hesitant in that area.

Hillary has been smart (imo) recently and has realized she cannot whitewash her campaign and win. Her challenge is to not appear to be cynical and calculating. There's leverage here for Black voters in that the Democratic nominee needs a large turnout if Dems going to win, and a whitewashed campaign isn't going to energize those voters.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
127. Bernie was in the trenches on Civil Rights, why doesn't he know about inequality issues?
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:24 PM
May 2015

Bernie was supporting gay marriage when some that supposedly know more were still mouthing "one man, one woman" whether they personally believed such or not.

Bernie has a top flight record on women's issues as well.

I think you are misinformed, uninformed, judging a book by its cover rather than content, or plain full of it.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
150. Bernie grew up in Brooklyn.
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:48 PM
May 2015

He might know something about inner cities if he grew up in one. Doesn't sound like you know much about him.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
247. He organized for civil rights and attended the March on Washington
Fri May 22, 2015, 01:54 AM
May 2015

He knows quite a lot about it. He was THERE.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
277. Few would question Bernie's position on civil rights (vis-a-vis, PoC) ...
Fri May 22, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015

He, like all liberals, supports them.

But after looking into it further, I think Bernie is going to lose out of a lot of the Black vote because he (like many on DU) has misinterpreted/hasn't listened to what Black folks have been saying.

He seems to be of the (DU) "civil rights justice will follow economic justice" vein ... that is a losing argument for a majority of the Black electorate/community, as our lived experience tells us ... having more money doesn't make those daily indignities any easier to fathom.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
282. Honestly, what will Hillary Clinton do for the African American community?
Fri May 22, 2015, 02:12 PM
May 2015

I'd really like to know because I followed the subthread where black posters on this site were saying that Hillary is so much better on civil rights. But her campaign is shaping up to be an ill-fitting mishmash of mimicry. Just like Obama, sound like a liberal, govern like a conservative moderate. It is who she has proven to be by her record. We'll be told that she can't get things done because there is too much obstruction and that's just "reality". And oops, if it takes any money away from her donor's pockets, it's dead on arrival. Honestly, I think judging from her record that she can claim to be strong on women's rights, but nowhere do I see her strong support of civil rights. She's talking about incarceration, but that is nothing but rhetoric for the campaign, flipping on her earlier "tough lady on crime" stance.

http://www.attn.com/stories/1092/2016-candidates-private-prisons

Though the private prison industry swelled around the time she was FLOTUS, Clinton has remained notably quiet on the subject in the run-up to formally announcing her candidacy. It was only last year, in what many called her “strongest comments yet” regarding criminal justice, that she addressed the “hard truths” of racial discrimination and the need for criminal justice reform. “[D]espite all the progress we’ve made together, African-Americans, and most particularly, African-American men, are still more likely to be stopped and searched by police, charged with crimes, and sentenced to longer prison terms,” she said at the Massachusetts conference for Women. Americans don’t break more laws than other nations, she said. “It is because we have allowed our criminal justice system to get out of balance. And I personally hope that these tragedies give us the opportunity to come together as a nation to find our balance again.”

Her speech was a marked departure from a 1994 Annual Women in Policing address, when she declared that “we need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders…we need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets.”


So where is this stellar record on civil rights and rights for African Americans that a couple of statements? I'm really trying to find out because I don't see it.

She's trying to be the pro immigrant candidate but there's a flop too



What I'm trying to ask is how can we be sure she will fight for ANY position, for any civil rights, for any improvements in the lives of African Americans and people of color? Do you think she will piss off all her working class white voters by saying cops are out of control? Remember the dustup over what Obama said about guns and how she jumped all over it that she just loved her some guns. And let's not forget all the racist shit from her 2008 campaign. But now she's the black community's champion?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
88. Too soon to tell, really. And not only with AA, but with all demographics.
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:36 PM
May 2015

He's a relatively unknown.

Any numbers are going to change, we just don't know.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)