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http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/05/17/waco-gang-shooting/27493915/snip-
Nine people were killed Sunday when a gunfight broke out between three rival motorcycle gangs at a restaurant in Waco, Texas, local media reported.
Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton confirmed "multiple fatalities" at Twin Peaks Restaurant, KWTX-TVreported from the scene. Several Waco media outlets said police confirmed nine deaths and multiple injuries in the incident, which broke out shortly after noon.
Eighteen people were transferred to local hospitals with gunshot and stab wounds, KCEN-TV reported.
"Please avoid the Central Texas Market Place. Officers are working a shooting at Twin Peaks and the area is not safe," the police department tweeted.
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Holy crap---I bolded the fact that guns AND knives were involved in a (lame, I know) attempt to keep this from becoming a dungeon thread.
derby378
(30,252 posts)Just thought I'd clear that up, because all the snark in the world isn't going to bring one single shooting victim back to life.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)And shouldn't their society--by definition!--be polite? I'm sure I've heard that, somewhere.
Other than feeling sorry for the benighted state of their souls that brought them to such a place and such an end, I have no sympathy at all.
derby378
(30,252 posts)There are legitimate motorcycle clubs that don't engage in organized crime, but these MCs down in Waco appear to be "one-percenter" or "outlaw" clubs whose members often engage in drug-smuggling, racketeering, pimping, and sometimes murder-for-hire. Hell's Angels are the best-known examples of the one-percenters.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Just curious.
sarisataka
(18,679 posts)Also see the American Motorcycle Association http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/
derby378
(30,252 posts)Some are religious in nature, while others ride in support of POW/MIAs and their families.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)It is just that too many morons think that they are good guys with guns, but really, they are just morons with a gun, which then by proxy they are bad guys with a gun.
These motor cyclists are part of that.
derby378
(30,252 posts)Thought about heading down to Waco over the weekend for a road trip, but went down to Fairfield instead, where everything was quiet and peaceful. Looks like I made the right choice.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Best to be safe.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)and the Rockets were playing game 7 of a comeback from a 3-1 deficit in the NBA finals. I hope you are right, but that place had to be hopping.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Or else they would have come out on top. At least that's what the NRA would have us believe.
Edit to add this observation: "An armed society is a polite society." Or maybe not.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)dsc
(52,164 posts)I'll start worrying about them.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)You worry about the symbolic proxy created by prohibition and culture war. If you and others cared about ALL violent deaths caused by conflict, the Democratic Party could return to the road of making life better through good schools, health care, housing, and decent-paying jobs; instead we get the get the road well-traveled in some DU quarters: Culture war by proxy, with guns being the majic problem solver de jure.
Prohibition is not a jealous siren, she has many lovers.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)Things like health care, housing, and decent-paying jobs, would be far less of an issue if conservative culture didn't exist in this country. Guns and wet dreams about 'watering the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots' are part of that conservative culture.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Do check to see who is in bed with you.
"Billionaire Mayor Mike Bloomberg is asking prominent Democratic donors in New York, a key source of funds for candidates across the country, to stop contributing to the four Democratic senators who voted to block a bill that would have strengthened background checks for gun buyers, the New York Times reported.
So it's worth looking at how reliant the senators are on New York funders. Donors from the Empire State have been responsible for 7.5 percent of the money funding the federal campaigns of Sens. Max Baucus, D-Mont., Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., Mark Pryor, D-Ark., and Mark Begich, D-Alaska. In all, New Yorkers gave $3.4 million to their campaigns, according to an analysis of data in Influence Explorer. Pryor and Begich are up for reelection in 2014, Baucus is retiring at the end of his term and Heitkamp does not face voters until 2018"
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/06/12/bloomberg-tries-cut-four-senators-new-york-money-how-relian/
Begich lost- replaced by Dan Sullivan (R)
Pryor lost- replaced by Tom Cotton (R) - yes that Tom Cotton
Are these the successes gun control purists are celebrating? If so I want nothing to do with Everytown and its affiliates/fronts.
I will support my pro-gun control Senators Franken and Klobuchar who also stand for Democratic principles. I won't help shoot down a Democrat with whom I disagree on one issue.
I'll repeat what I told another DUer of a similar mindset a couple of days ago:
You are merely the latest in a long American tradition
The nearest other example of this today would be the American Family Association
They, too, "know" what's good for society, claim to have the moral high ground, and
regularly stereotype others. These others differ from you only in their choice of
boogeymen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center
Think about two questions for a minute:
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Crime rate and it's no coincidence that they have outlawed most, if not all, guns.
We are the only post industrial nation to not have strict gun laws, and yet we have the most violent crimes.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)and others. One point of departure: England, for example, had very loose gun laws just a little over a centure ago. And its crime rate was very low. The impetus for banning guns was a lot of loose talk about revolution and labor-oriented politics.
Our crime rate has been dropping significantly and steadily for 20 yrs, even as the number of guns has been going up.
Prohibition is a seductive siren, it knows no one lover.
NotoriousRBG
(44 posts)Is it OK to call these biker gang members thugs?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)malaise
(269,079 posts)Unbelievable - nine dead, several injured and nothing breaking on cable!!
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)brush
(53,794 posts)no label of "thug" being spewed around by the cable talking heads even though 9 people were killed and many others injured.
winetourdriver
(196 posts)We have a winner.
malaise
(269,079 posts)I just love the discussion about the 1% of the bike gangs. Meanwhile all African-American males are viewed as criminal gang members and profiled.
What a place.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Oh my there would be white folks just a fretting and a sweating
frettun and a sweatun
But it is just highly spirited men, mostly white I presume.
And you know, they gotta let off steam somehow
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Remarkably, Swanton said, all of the dead or injured were "members of criminal biker gangs." Bystanders at the shopping center and a nearby restaurant as well as police present when the shootout spilled into the parking lot were "all unscathed," he said.
http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/05/17/waco-gang-shooting/27493915/
malaise
(269,079 posts)Are they THUGS?
Nine fuggng deaths? I want out of this planet.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)malaise
(269,079 posts)where I am but guess the source of the guns
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)It also says the police tried to talk restaurant management out of allowing the event, which they describe as a recruiting event.
Not just guns and knives, but chains as well. What is this world coming to?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"...the police tried to talk restaurant management out of allowing the event...'"
Let the riff kill off the raff. Saves "Them" the trouble.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)The police can't just deny people the right to assembly.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Then trouble develops where nine people from three gangs get killed it's a coincidence. You're right.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Thank you!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)But I know ridiculous LIHOP CT-spreading when I see it.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's the best case scenario that Bush and Co. can make, Criminal Negligence.
Dude: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1798650&mesg_id=1827126
MIHOP, that's what it looks like: Treason.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Show where I'm wrong, and I'll be happy to apologize.
Otherwise, you can start a thread of your own. Trust me, I won't bother to post on it.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)I can't write what I want without your approval?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)if something strikes me as ridiculous LIHOP CT-spreading I'm free to say so.
By the way, you wrote --
Show where I'm wrong, and I'll be happy to apologize.
I didn't bring-up 9/11 but was only referring to LIHOP in the sense you used the term in Post #72 ergo your reference to 9/11 being of my instigation is wrong.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Seems when the Authorities stand around watching for something evil and something evil happens afterward, it's a coincidence -- in your mind, anyway. In mine, it's suspicious.
So why ridicule me for using the acronym LIHOP because the cops were standing around beforehand?
B2G
(9,766 posts)In fact, they probably saved a whole bunch of lives.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)If they'd said, "No party, unless you check your guns first."
B2G
(9,766 posts)sarisataka
(18,679 posts)the 1st and 4th amendments the cops could have shut the whole thing down.
As it stood, only the management of the restaurant could have forbidden the meeting of the gangs on premises. They chose to not do so.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Cops, at the city's behest, could also order the place closed for that purpose.
If the bikers wanted to attend a peace rally, they'd be happy to oblige or at least pass through a metal detector.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Do you want the government to have the ability to just shut down places because they don't like who or what it's regarding? Sounds unconstitutional to me. I mean sure today it's a group of bikers you think the government should shut down, but what if the city decided they didn't like the anti-war peaceful protest. If they can shut down one, they'd be able to shut down the other.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I'd use a court injunction.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)They do it on tee vee. I only brought it up because it might've avoided nine deaths and who knows how many injured?
Hey! I know! Ask a lawyer. They understand the law.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)And I never brought 9/11 into the conversation.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)What's more, I'm proud to write about stuff that scares most people away from even learning about it, such are the times we live in and the crimes of the national security state.
Here's an example: Frank Church, D-Idaho.
The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
From GWU's National Security Archives:
"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.
Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era
Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr
Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).
SNIP...
Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]
SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/
I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?
I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up. Senator Richard Schweiker on Face the Nation in 1976.
Lost to History NOT
You may not remember Frank Church, Nuclear Unicorn, but I do. That's why I'm proud to write about him.
In answer to your question, I don't know if the cops stood around doing nothing. I wasn't there. Were you?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)That's what makes it ridiculous LIHOP CT-spreading.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Please let me know when you post something of interest, Nuclear Unicorn.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)You made a baseless claim about the shootings and now appear to be trying to hide behind a bunch of...something.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I also made clear where I stood. I even showed an example of what I post about.
Remember: People judge you by what you post.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)No, you hide -- like every other CT'er I've ever seen -- behind cutesy, deliberately obtuse non-posts.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I'd say that's just a smear, Nuclear Unicorn, but going by what you write, that's about all there is to you.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
sarisataka
(18,679 posts)to make this about the violence rather than the method of violence.
Hopefully some will notice and care.
Logical
(22,457 posts)sarisataka
(18,679 posts)any less dead?
If there is no act of violence will a gun go out looking for victims?
Logical
(22,457 posts)sarisataka
(18,679 posts)in most cases a gun is more likely to inflict a fatal injury than another weapon and has the advantage of range.
Now will you answer my questions?
Logical
(22,457 posts)I am fine with guns, own them and have my CC license. But am not going to tell anyone that guns in this country are not a problem and result in a lot of deaths.
sarisataka
(18,679 posts)looking at guns is shortsighted and blinds people to seeking the actual cause. Passing a gun control law or two is a band aid; tackling the root causes of violence is hard but will treat the source of the blood.
That is not to say gun control should not be considered. Many proposals could be helpful. Just remember it is treating the symptom, not the cause.
Logical
(22,457 posts)same amount of guns that we do their murder rate would not increase much. We are just more violent.
sarisataka
(18,679 posts)we are naturally more violent than similarly developed countries. With one semester of sociology to my credit, I know enough to know that I don't have a good answer as to why.
dsc
(52,164 posts)and only our country, out of all developed countries saddled with a murder rate in the stratosphere? I keep hearing guns have nothing whatsoever to do with this sorry state of affairs but the largest difference between us is guns. Britain and Australia both have underclasses, all the countries have some people with mental issues, yet only we have our murder rate.
sarisataka
(18,679 posts)and strike all gun related homicides, we are still easily at the top.
Our society is more violent with or without guns.
Focus on reducing violence and gun violence will continue to drop
DanTex
(20,709 posts)sarisataka
(18,679 posts)The US rate of intentional homicide and firearm homicide per 100 k are 4.7 and 2.8 respectively
The UK rates are 1.0 and .1.
Remove guns we still lead 1.9 to .9, or over double.
In general, the U.S. has high violent crime but lower property crime than European countries.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)And it's also not true that the US has high violent crime rates across the board. We have an astronomical homicide rate, thanks to guns, but for things like assault and robbery, our numbers are in line with the rest of the developed world. In short, we don't have more violent crime, we have more lethal violent crime.
sarisataka
(18,679 posts)saying violent crime rate to describe homicide rate.
I agree. Guns are a major, but not the only factor.
dsc
(52,164 posts)We might still be at top but we most certainly wouldn't be anywhere near as bad relative to other places as we are now. And yes, I was referring to per capita rates before.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)Bandidos....
Which ethnic group do you think comprises the majority of their membership?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)You can name your club anything you want. Free clue: Hell's Angels are neither from Hell or angels.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,354 posts)The Bandidos were supported by clubs named Scimitar and Cossacks. I wonder about their ethnicity ... hint, probably not middle-eastern and russian.
It's a name.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)The Bandidos Motorcycle Club was labeled a 'growing criminal threat' by the FBI. The group was named in an FBI report as one of the country's four most dangerous outlaw gangs by the FBI - alongside the Pagans, Hells Angels, and Outlaws.
The group was formed in 1966 by Vietnam war veteran Donald Chambers in San Leon, Texas. It has since grown to build factions across the world, as far as Germany, Norway and Australia. Its Norwegian branch was one half of the Great Nordic Biker War between 1994 and 1997, warring with Hell's Angels. At its climax, a missile was fired at a prison holding a Bandidos member.
In the U.S., members have been convicted of smuggling drugs across the Mexican border - an area they are said to specialize in. According to the FBI, Bandidos are major players in the marijuana, cocaine and methamphetamine markets.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3085546/At-nine-dead-huge-gun-battle-rival-biker-gangs-Twin-Peaks-restaurant-Waco-Texas.html#ixzz3aV4uRsWQ
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Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Law is bad.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Them extreme.
1. All guns can only be sold by licensed dealers.
2. All guns are registered at time of sale to their new owner for life, unless turned into proper authorities.
3. All gun owners must carry liability insurance for every gun owned.
4. If your gun is used in a crime, regardless if gun was stolen, lost, etc, you as the owner are held responsible for said crime along with the person who committed said crime.
hack89
(39,171 posts)or is only guns?
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)it is sometimes hard to tell who has their tongues firmly planted in their cheeks.
hack89
(39,171 posts)think about it - they will do an AARP and offer cheap insurance. Insurance companies would jump at the chance to get the NRA stamp of approval. Then they offer big discounts if you become a member. Now their membership explodes into the tens of millions and they have a steady stream of membership dues plus insurance premiums. They would make a fortune.
It would be a gift beyond imagination to the NRA - is that really what you want?
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)Every range would immediately ask to see your NRA insurance card. I still don't know ho this liability insurance would actually work.
hack89
(39,171 posts)no insurance company would cover negligence or criminal acts - they would never leave themselves financially exposed to a Sandy Hook or Virginia Tech. That would only leave coverage for accidents - which means the insurance would cost a pittance and not make enough money to make it worth the insurance company's time and effort.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Im sure if there was a sign on the door saying no guns allowed the criminal biker gangs would respect that and leave the guns at home.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Response to ScreamingMeemie (Original post)
Logical This message was self-deleted by its author.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)that not one source I have seen (and I am fairly local to the event) have identified which biker gangs are involved. I wonder why that is?
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)GReedDiamond
(5,313 posts)Ex Lurker
(3,815 posts)But Bandidos, Scimitars, and Cossacks were involved. I've heard of other clubs being there, too, but can't confirm.
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)Not too graphic but you can see some fallen bikers in one of the pics (from a distance)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3085546/Multiple-injuries-reported-Texas-biker-gang-shooting.html
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)with all them armed Texicans everywhere?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Glitterati
(3,182 posts)We did the Gunfight at the OK Corral become a standard?
Seriously, the larger issue is this is JUST the beginning........everyone is armed to the teeth so no one sees any other resolution than a gunfight.
9 dead? This will become commonplace.
THIS is where all our communities are headed.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Crips and Bloods ring a bell?
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Just a bit of a difference..........
But, somehow, gun nuts will think this is "different." Yeah, OK.........
If I wanted to live in the wild, wild west where the shootout at the OK Corral was a way of life, I would.
I don't.
I won't.
hack89
(39,171 posts)do I really have to document the bloody violent history of biker gangs? They have always had guns. They have always been violent.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)... even though the pearl clutchers have been claiming that the streets will run red with the blood of the innocent for a few decades now.
riversedge
(70,252 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)"Police say that multiple weapons were involved in the conflict, including chains, knives, bats, clubs and firearms"
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Reading the story, the cops were right THERE. They warned the restaurant against doing the whole thing and had the cops waiting for the trouble they knew would come.
Yet, 9 DIED? A brawl breaks out and the cops stood there watching it? How the hell do 9 people die while an armed police force is standing there?
WTF?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The whole thing is confusing.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The resturant wasn't cooperating with police in hosting the biker event. The fight started inside, then spread outside into the parking lot where the cops were.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)according to the story.
My guess is we're gonna find that the cops started the shooting when the brawl came outside the restaurant.
But, according to the news reports, they are just oh so happy no cops were gunned down. Just civilians.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)It escalated from fists to knives and chains, then spilled outside, and guns were drawn and fired. Cops claim they fired when weapons were aimed at them.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)The only people killed were part of the fight, so I'm glad no cops or innocent bystanders were killed or hurt.
The police warned the restaurant about holding this event. 192 people were arrested. The hospital has heavy police presence in case they try and start crap there. Twin Peaks is now closed for the next 7 days, and the company is considering pulling the franchise.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)shooting other thugs. Some thugs shot at the police and were awarded for their impetuousness.
Gothmog
(145,353 posts)Waco is a very boring town
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... so well in Texassistan.
B2G
(9,766 posts)"49 people shot since Friday afternoon across Chicago"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-20150517-story.html
99Forever
(14,524 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.
It's not about the laws, it's about how criminals are so easily able to obtain them illegally. That's the problem in this country.
...because people in Chicago can't possibly drive to a neighboring vicinity with typical lax NRA cowboy, FREEDUMB gun laws.
Who the fuck do you think you are fooling?
B2G
(9,766 posts)are coming by their guns legally?
And there's no need to be rude.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I get it. In your world, your FREEDUMB is more important than other people's lives.
Fuck the NRA.
B2G
(9,766 posts)because that's the only way it's going to be curtailed.
In your world, all guns will be banned and magically disappear. That's not going to happen. I choose to deal in reality.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Same old tired NRA propaganda, different day.
Fuck the NRA.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)There apparently had been escalating violence at these biker events at this particular restaurant but yet the management apparently put profits above the safety of their patrons, staff and the general public.
And yes, maybe Texas needs to rethink their gun laws.
On edit: Yes, I am aware that it was a fight which involved fists and feet and knives as well as guns. But I would be willing to bet that most of the deaths and severe injuries were a result of gunshot wounds. It is just dumb luck that no innocent bystanders were hit, something one generally does not have to worry about with knives and fists. So yeah, guns are different.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The owners will be sued into oblivion, too.
Although technically closed for a week, it will never open it's doors again.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Law enforcement could not legally order them closed as a restaurant, although they stated they "hoped" the restaurant stayed closed at least a week to allow things to cool down. Even yanking the franchise would not prevent them from reopening under a different name, though they might have trouble getting a liquor license. Actually, losing the franchise in some ways might make it easier for them to reopen, as they could now reopen under a different name with straw owners not legally liable for what happened at the old restaurant.
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)with other nearby stores and eateries. Twin Peaks corporate better close this franchise down or face the legal consequences.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)And not a single Billy Jack to be had to make the town safe.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Billy Jack was the best of them. A lot of them ended up with an outlaw bikergang gonig on a rampage through a town.