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9 dead in motorcyle gang gunfight at Texas restaurant
http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/05/17/waco-gang-shooting/27493915/snip-
Nine people were killed Sunday when a gunfight broke out between three rival motorcycle gangs at a restaurant in Waco, Texas, local media reported.
Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton confirmed "multiple fatalities" at Twin Peaks Restaurant, KWTX-TVreported from the scene. Several Waco media outlets said police confirmed nine deaths and multiple injuries in the incident, which broke out shortly after noon.
Eighteen people were transferred to local hospitals with gunshot and stab wounds, KCEN-TV reported.
"Please avoid the Central Texas Market Place. Officers are working a shooting at Twin Peaks and the area is not safe," the police department tweeted.
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Holy crap---I bolded the fact that guns AND knives were involved in a (lame, I know) attempt to keep this from becoming a dungeon thread.
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Or else they would have come out on top. At least that's what the NRA would have us believe.
Edit to add this observation: "An armed society is a polite society." Or maybe not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6386764
I'll repeat what I told another DUer of a similar mindset a couple of days ago:
You are merely the latest in a long American tradition
The nearest other example of this today would be the American Family Association
They, too, "know" what's good for society, claim to have the moral high ground, and
regularly stereotype others. These others differ from you only in their choice of
boogeymen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center
Think about two questions for a minute:
My Dear Paladin,
Do check to see who is in bed with you.
"Billionaire Mayor Mike Bloomberg is asking prominent Democratic donors in New York, a key source of funds for candidates across the country, to stop contributing to the four Democratic senators who voted to block a bill that would have strengthened background checks for gun buyers, the New York Times reported.
So it's worth looking at how reliant the senators are on New York funders. Donors from the Empire State have been responsible for 7.5 percent of the money funding the federal campaigns of Sens. Max Baucus, D-Mont., Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., Mark Pryor, D-Ark., and Mark Begich, D-Alaska. In all, New Yorkers gave $3.4 million to their campaigns, according to an analysis of data in Influence Explorer. Pryor and Begich are up for reelection in 2014, Baucus is retiring at the end of his term and Heitkamp does not face voters until 2018"
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/06/12/bloomberg-tries-cut-four-senators-new-york-money-how-relian/
Begich lost- replaced by Dan Sullivan (R)
Pryor lost- replaced by Tom Cotton (R) - yes that Tom Cotton
Are these the successes gun control purists are celebrating? If so I want nothing to do with Everytown and its affiliates/fronts.
I will support my pro-gun control Senators Franken and Klobuchar who also stand for Democratic principles. I won't help shoot down a Democrat with whom I disagree on one issue.
Do check to see who is in bed with you.
"Billionaire Mayor Mike Bloomberg is asking prominent Democratic donors in New York, a key source of funds for candidates across the country, to stop contributing to the four Democratic senators who voted to block a bill that would have strengthened background checks for gun buyers, the New York Times reported.
So it's worth looking at how reliant the senators are on New York funders. Donors from the Empire State have been responsible for 7.5 percent of the money funding the federal campaigns of Sens. Max Baucus, D-Mont., Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., Mark Pryor, D-Ark., and Mark Begich, D-Alaska. In all, New Yorkers gave $3.4 million to their campaigns, according to an analysis of data in Influence Explorer. Pryor and Begich are up for reelection in 2014, Baucus is retiring at the end of his term and Heitkamp does not face voters until 2018"
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/06/12/bloomberg-tries-cut-four-senators-new-york-money-how-relian/
Begich lost- replaced by Dan Sullivan (R)
Pryor lost- replaced by Tom Cotton (R) - yes that Tom Cotton
Are these the successes gun control purists are celebrating? If so I want nothing to do with Everytown and its affiliates/fronts.
I will support my pro-gun control Senators Franken and Klobuchar who also stand for Democratic principles. I won't help shoot down a Democrat with whom I disagree on one issue.
I'll repeat what I told another DUer of a similar mindset a couple of days ago:
You are merely the latest in a long American tradition
The nearest other example of this today would be the American Family Association
They, too, "know" what's good for society, claim to have the moral high ground, and
regularly stereotype others. These others differ from you only in their choice of
boogeymen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center
Think about two questions for a minute:
Oh my there would be white folks just a fretting and a sweating
frettun and a sweatun
But it is just highly spirited men, mostly white I presume.
And you know, they gotta let off steam somehow
Do you want the government to have the ability to just shut down places because they don't like who or what it's regarding? Sounds unconstitutional to me. I mean sure today it's a group of bikers you think the government should shut down, but what if the city decided they didn't like the anti-war peaceful protest. If they can shut down one, they'd be able to shut down the other.
What's more, I'm proud to write about stuff that scares most people away from even learning about it, such are the times we live in and the crimes of the national security state.
Here's an example: Frank Church, D-Idaho.
The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:
In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
From GWU's National Security Archives:
"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.
Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era
Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr
Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).
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Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]
SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/
I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?
“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.
Lost to History NOT
You may not remember Frank Church, Nuclear Unicorn, but I do. That's why I'm proud to write about him.
In answer to your question, I don't know if the cops stood around doing nothing. I wasn't there. Were you?
The Bandidos were supported by clubs named Scimitar and Cossacks. I wonder about their ethnicity ... hint, probably not middle-eastern and russian.
It's a name.
The whole thing is confusing.
