Who's the *real* Gish Galloper?, part 1

[MannyGoldstein]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Agschmid (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I hate seeing one of DU's best posters getting smeared, so I thought it would be interesting to fact check, as a group, the following attack post currently on DU's front page:

The Gish Gallop of the HRC bashers

Let's start with the first link:

The Clinton Dynasty's Horrific Legacy: More Drug War, More Prisons
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/clinton-dynasty-horrific-legacy-more-drug-war-more-prisons

The poster lamenting the "Gish Gallop" claims "This article is about Bill Clinton, and has nothing to do with HRC."

Do you agree?

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	Yes, the article is about Bill Clinton, and has nothing to do with HRC.
	0 (0%)
	Um, it pretty clearly discusses stuff HRC did, including quotes.
	12 (100%)
	Other (please describe below).
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[Electric Monk]

1. The votes are unanimous so far, but according to MaggieD we're all "purists" for voting for #2.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6644677

[DonCoquixote]

2. A nice quote that answers the question

As recently noted by Reason.com, Hillary actively lobbied for the aforementioned criminal justice reforms as First Lady and, as a New York senator, voted to expand grants that dramatically scaled up police involvement in anti-terror and homeland security efforts. She also said things like this, in support of a crime bill that would impose Draconian new sentencing provisions:

“We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders. The three strikes and you’re out for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets.”

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Maybe that was Hillary 2.3

So it shouldn't count for today's Hillary 4.1?

[DonCoquixote]

5. I did not even know there was a three

The woman changes poltical positions the way Madonna changes her hair color, with much the same purpose; to make you think she is different this time.

[Agschmid]

8. Madonna has been a blonde for quite a while now...

Just sayin...

[Dragonfli]

20. Hillary Clinton's software is much like a Microsoft operating system

It requires updates continuously to keep it safe from malicious attacks and viruses like "honesty" and "principles" or adware such as "peoples needs".

The end users at Goldman and Raytheon need to know their work is secure as they type their agenda into her.


I believe she is on version 8.1 at the moment.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

4. Ooh boy, this is gonna be a long night...

K&R for direct quotes.

[m-lekktor]

6. your subject line says it all

in regards to that thread!

[Cheese Sandwich]

7. That's too funny

[SMC22307]

9. Cornell, Ithaca, Salon and Alternet?

It's all *too* puristy!

[MannyGoldstein]

12. Cornell?

Eww.

[Bobbie Jo]

10. Stopped reading midway through the first sentence.

hate seeing one of DU's best posters getting smeared

Total matter of opinion. I'll just leave it there.

[Bonobo]

11. Hillary cannot claim a part in the 90's Clinton presidency while simultaneously denying it. nt

[winter is coming]

16. And she can't deny it now when she claimed it then.

I remember a lot of "two for the price of one" rhetoric.

[BrotherIvan]

13. I have made a post as well sprouting from comments on that thread

Apparently, H-1B visas are A-ok and great for everyone

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026644764

[Buzz Clik]

14. You are growing tiresome

You need a break. Find something else to do for a day or ten.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. .

[Electric Monk]

18. Clik this link and you'll never see Manny again

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=myaccount&sub=ignore&add=176002

[whereisjustice]

17. lol - an instant classic.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. HRC supporters are gonna go full Sutherland soon....

[MaggieD]

21. Aw, did I hurt your feelings?

LOL! Dude, I don't know what you think a poll at a site like this proves, but you go for it.

You probably DO think DU is representative of Democratic voters. But that can only be true if you are completely ignorant of actual, real polls. You know the non-self selected, scientific polls.

But if it makes you feel better to congratulate yourself that some people at a website agree with you, go for it. I would expect nothing less from you, frankly.

[Electric Monk]

22. No, you insulted our intelligence with your Gish Gallop thread. nt

[winter is coming]

23. Hey, you gotta do something while your domicile is being cleaned. n/t

[madfloridian]

24. Too many here act like Sanders supporters are not too bright.

Your OP really tore into a good DU poster.

We didn't just fall off the turnip truck. Tired of being treated that way.

[Hekate]

26. Yeah, I think one or two people have an owie right now, but they're too grown up to admit it

I can tell by the quivering of their lower lips.

[whereisjustice]

27. $300,000 for a rambling, nonsense speech? Save the receipt. Maybe you can get your money back.

[SMC22307]

28. It proves you were wrong.

Just accept it.

And while I don't know Manny beyond DU, I get the impression he doesn't give a flying fuck about "hurt feelings." Perhaps you and your owie buddy below should try another angle...

[morningfog]

29. For one thing, it puts your gishing in context.

The louder you shout, the more of you there appear to be.

[woo me with science]

25. Manny Goldstein, how dare you insist that 2+2=4?!

*Of course* the article has something to do with HRC.

DU knows it, and the OP certainly knew it, too. But, as Orwell pointed out,

[font size=3] Orwell: "We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." [/font size]

[Agschmid]

30. Locking.

This post doesn't meet the SOP established for GD.

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