Breaking: Bigotry Wins Again !!! 'North Carolina OKs Constitutional Same-Sex Marriage Ban' - MSNBC

[WillyT]

North Carolina OKs constitutional same-sex marriage ban
By Tom Curry, msnbc.com National Affairs Writer
Minutes Ago

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North Carolina voters Tuesday approved a proposed amendment to the state’s constitution which would limit marriage to traditional one man-one woman marriages.

The amendment says: “Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State.” In effect, it would bar the state from giving legal recognition to civil unions between same-sex couples.

Under North Carolina law, same-sex marriages are already banned.

And opponents of the constitutional amendment did not make the argument that defeating it was a prelude to changing the law so that same-sex couples could legally marry in North Carolina.

“This is not a conversation about a possible change of law down the road,” said Paul Guequierre, a spokesperson for the Coalition to Protect All North Carolina Families, the main group rallying opposition to the amendment, on Monday.

By approving the amendment, North Carolina joins 28 other states that have state constitutional provisions limit marriage to man-woman unions.

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More: http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/08/11604355-north-carolina-oks-constitutional-same-sex-marriage-ban?lite

[Chorophyll]

1. Ugh. Miserable.

Disappointing. But sadly unsurprising.

[Crow73]

8. Wait

This is the fight the Right have been waiting for.
They seem to love losing.

[FreeState]

27. The fight they have been waiting for?

How so? This is the 30th state they have enshrined discrimination into the constitution against LGBT families. I do believe however it may be one of their last "victories".

[Rectangle]

21. The Majority, again, denies the rights of the Minority.

and yes, unsuprising.

[dejo1957]

2. Black turnout was high.

That is not good for any measure like this.

[TedBronson]

6. That is why I was surprised when Biden brought up the issue in recent days...

Seems like he will need all that support in coming months and it is a tough time to push a decisive issue.

[dejo1957]

9. Joe being Joe managed to piss off more Catholics today.

Why don't Democrats just run the white flag up.

[Luminous Animal]

17. Indeed. The path to glory is lined with bigots to whom we must pander.

[TedBronson]

32. Dunno about pander...

... but it is better to be realistic and realize that there is strategy in politics.

[Luminous Animal]

39. Yes, when asked a simple straight question, he should have realistically lied to indulge the bigots.

Because, that is exactly what the Democratic should do... maintain the mantle of power on the backs of the victims of bigots.

[spanone]

38. so many comedians out of work

[Honeycombe8]

30. He didn't bring it up. Gregory asked him the question on Meeet the Press.

All Biden did was answer as to his own position on it. Simple, really.

[Luminous Animal]

14. Frequency of church attendance is far more an indicator of voting

patterns in regards to the civil right of marriage equality than race.

After the sloppy effort to blame black voters for Prop 8 in California, a statistical analysis revealed is more religion based than color.

http://www.letcaliforniaring.org/site/c.ltJTJ6MQIuE/b.4863891/k.35FC/Driving_Factors_of_Prop_8_Vote.htm

African-American and Latino support for Proposition 8 not significantly higher when church attendance is factored in

Since the passage of Proposition 8, much has been said about the supposed dramatic opposition to marriage equality among African Americans, fueled by National Election Pool (NEP) figures based on sampling in only a few precincts that erroneously indicated 70 percent of California’s African Americans supported Proposition 8. The study found that when church attendance was factored out, however, there was no significant difference between African Americans and other groups.

In other words, people of all races and ethnicities who worship at least once a week overwhelmingly supported Proposition 8, with support among white, Asian and Latino frequent churchgoers actually being greater than among African Americans.

...

Moreover, the study found that the level of support for Proposition 8 among African Americans was nowhere close to the NEP exit poll 70 percent figure. The study looked at pre- and post-election polls and conducted a sophisticated analysis of precinct-level voting data from five California counties with the highest African-American populations (Alameda (Oakland), Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Diego and San Francisco).[1] Based on this, it concludes that the level of African-American support for Proposition 8 was in the range of 57-59 percent. Its precinct-level analysis also found that many precincts with few black voters supported Proposition 8 at levels just as high or higher than those with many black voters.

As discussed earlier, the 57-59 percent figure — while higher than white and Asian-American voters — is largely explained by the higher rates of African-American church attendance: 57 percent of African Americans attend church at least once a week, compared to 42 percent of whites and 40 percent of Asian Americans.

[mfcorey1]

16. Bulls***

[NYC_SKP]

18. Your a disruptive little mother fucker, ain't ya?

You fuckwad, trying to come in here and pit LGBT against African-Americans?

Really?

Eat shit and die, you turd.

And tell your asshole friends.

[demtenjeep]

20. this

+1000

[pinboy3niner]

22. Busy little disruptor--25 posts in 47 minutes

A bit too obvious, though. He had to know his pizza was comin'. And not a moment too soon.

[Luminous Animal]

23. Unfortunately, he didn't exist long enough to see this.(nt)

[DevonRex]

25. But we all saw it. You did SO well.

You had the information right there and posted it for all to see. He wasn't expecting it, poor fella.

[Luminous Animal]

36. ! And thanks. It's a good link to have on hand to counteract those who seek

to divide us.

DU needs a research lab and a library.

[DevonRex]

40. Yes it does.

I'm saving that link. And thank you.

[DevonRex]

43. I've already had the occasion to use your link.

Thank you again. A relatively new AA DUer was feeling a bit down after reading some misinformation posted earlier. He has been cheered greatly after having gotten the correct data.

It's wonderful to be able to use information for a good purpose, as well as to prove a troll incorrect. And it all started with you tonight. It has all made me pretty darned happy.

[Luminous Animal]

45. That is great! It makes me pretty damn happy, too!

[Vanje]

35. I absolutely agree with NYC_SKP

Quick!Take a screen shot

[NYC_SKP]

37. lol!

`

[Vanje]

41. !

[DevonRex]

24. There were 2 others pushing that

divisive bullshit today. But Luminous Animal had the facts at the ready for you and for everyone on DU to see.

[Chorophyll]

28. Hm. Obvious troll is becoming more obvious.

Enjoy your brief stay at DU.

[Lilyeye]

44. I knew the blame the blacks BS was coming. That seems to be the memo in all of these type of stories

That group who wanted to create division between the black and gay communities are doing a great job.

[blaze]

3. Dammit!!!! nt

[ProSense]

4. The bigots win: North Carolina passes Amendment One

The bigots win: North Carolina passes Amendment One

by Kaili Joy Gray

Sadly, as predicted, voters in North Carolina passed Amendment One, the law that bans already-banned same-sex marriage and tacks on a gratuitous "and no civil unions, either." As Joan McCarter explained:

There would be no more legal unions between unmarried people, gay or straight. It could take health care benefits away from families, it could take away domestic violence protections, hospital visitation rights, and all the very basic protections of civil unions.

That's why just about everyone—including North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue, former President Bill Clinton (and his daughter), Episcopal bishops, hundreds of business leaders, religious leaders, and members of both parties—opposed it. Because it's hateful and wrong. But apparently, the state's voters disagreed.

Way to go, North Carolina. You must be so proud.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/08/1089905/-The-bigots-win-North-Carolina-passes-Amendment-One

[emulatorloo]

5. Sickening.

[Initech]

7. God damn it!!!" What is this country turning into?

[obliviously]

15. Turning into?

Do you mean we had gay marriage before?

[Initech]

42. I mean we might as well have the fucking Taliban run things.

If we want batshit insane religious fundamentalists telling us what to do...

[dejo1957]

10. On track to lose by 20 points, too. !! ugh.

[LonePirate]

11. As usual, the polls underestimated the number of bigots

The winning margin will be around 20 points or so, give or take a couple of points. This is flat out shameful.

I'm disgusted to be an American tonight.

[Bolo Boffin]

12. As soon as I saw that fucking Billy Graham ad, I knew it was over.

I wish it were possible to pull the convention out of Charlotte.

ETA: Just saw a tweet that makes a good point:

Another good reason for NC to be my home state one day. Over 40% of voters said no? Think of what could be done in the state.

Failed today? Yes. Was it a close vote? No, it wasn't. But a heck of a lot of North Carolina residents saw this for what it was.

[myrna minx]

13. Sigh.

[Vanje]

19. dejo1957 has left the building

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=284377

[Bolo Boffin]

29. There may be a couple more before this night is through...

Plenty of PPRoni to go around.

[Vanje]

33. Yes. The night is young!

[ProSense]

26. It's 2012

and I'm sick to my stomach:

Marriage between a man and a woman will now be the only legally recognized domestic union in North Carolina after voters Tuesday overwhelmingly passed Amendment One, a change to the state’s constitution that could take effect as early as next week. North Carolina now becomes the 32nd state to have a same-sex marriage ban etched in their constitution.

- more -

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/north-carolina-amendment-one-passes.php

Read the whole thing, ugh!

[WillyT]

31. It Also Bans Civil Unions... Did NC Ever HAVE Civil Union Laws ???

Becuase if they did... they just screwed a whole lot of people.

[RainDog]

34. I had real hopes NC was backing away from that Fundie bullshit

but, apparently, not.

[Luminous Animal]

46. Welcome to North Carolina...