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Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:27 AM

 

Seriously DUers do you think HRC might implode

following the all -mainly by RW spreaded but not all-allegations re Clinton Foundation donations?

I think yes if another thing comes to light .

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Reply Seriously DUers do you think HRC might implode (Original post)
mylye2222 Apr 2015 OP
Dream Girl Apr 2015 #1
Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #2
1000words Apr 2015 #4
gwheezie Apr 2015 #3
MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #5
Agschmid Apr 2015 #11
hrmjustin Apr 2015 #27
LittleBlue Apr 2015 #33
leveymg Apr 2015 #39
JoePhilly Apr 2015 #42
MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #47
JoePhilly Apr 2015 #48
daredtowork May 2015 #66
djean111 Apr 2015 #6
brooklynite Apr 2015 #7
justiceischeap Apr 2015 #9
Agschmid Apr 2015 #12
Adrahil Apr 2015 #8
pampango Apr 2015 #10
KittyWampus Apr 2015 #13
PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #14
Vinca Apr 2015 #15
dembotoz Apr 2015 #16
Gothmog Apr 2015 #17
winter is coming Apr 2015 #18
MoonRiver Apr 2015 #19
Orsino Apr 2015 #20
99Forever Apr 2015 #21
Tom Rinaldo Apr 2015 #22
SidDithers Apr 2015 #23
mylye2222 Apr 2015 #24
Agschmid Apr 2015 #44
DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #25
hrmjustin Apr 2015 #26
LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #28
AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #29
BeeBee Apr 2015 #30
blm Apr 2015 #31
MADem Apr 2015 #32
mylye2222 Apr 2015 #34
MADem Apr 2015 #35
mylye2222 Apr 2015 #37
MADem Apr 2015 #38
Agschmid Apr 2015 #45
Xyzse Apr 2015 #36
JoePhilly Apr 2015 #40
zappaman Apr 2015 #41
Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #43
Zorra Apr 2015 #46
Orrex Apr 2015 #49
lovemydog Apr 2015 #50
0rganism Apr 2015 #51
Sheepshank Apr 2015 #52
JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #53
Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #54
seabeyond Apr 2015 #55
liberal N proud Apr 2015 #56
840high Apr 2015 #57
Politicalboi Apr 2015 #58
Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #59
Depaysement Apr 2015 #60
hifiguy Apr 2015 #61
Andy823 Apr 2015 #62
Oktober Apr 2015 #63
SidDithers May 2015 #64
MineralMan May 2015 #65
Bobbie Jo May 2015 #67
lindysalsagal May 2015 #68
wyldwolf May 2015 #69

Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:29 AM

1. I think she could

She's not even a month in and I don't think it's going that well. There is a loooong way to go and she has lots of baggage. They have had plenty of time to prepare. I'm sure there will be lots of dirt to come.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:31 AM

2. Hopefully, yes.

 

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:33 AM

3. no

Several people have been elected inspite of themselves.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:01 AM

5. I think her campaign will unravel pretty quickly

 

For all kinds of reasons. She's built the Maginot Line of campaigns.

But as we saw after she was essentially eliminated for the 2008 nomination but stayed in the race anyway just to cause trouble for Obama, she won't let reality influence her campaign decisions.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:50 AM

11. Revisionist history?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:41 AM

27. In which alternate universe did this happen?

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:52 AM

33. "She's built the Maginot Line of campaigns."

 

Haha, well put. I hope you're right

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:21 PM

39. HRC Led Zeppeline Campaign: impressively big but overinflated, and overloaded with too much baggage

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:24 PM

42. So does she unravel before, or after, Obama cuts Social Security?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:46 PM

47. Since Obama seems to have hit a dead-end in those efforts

 

I'd go with "before"

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #47)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:20 PM

48. Prognosticating-Manny has spoken!!

Which bodes well for Hillary.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Sun May 3, 2015, 02:27 PM

66. Schlieffen Plan

She thought her blitzkrieg was going to take it all.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:21 AM

6. I don't know - I pretty much do not read anything about that sort of thing.

 

I just don't like war, fracking, the TPP/TTIP, things like that.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:32 AM

7. Because you asked - seriously - I'll answer - seriously -.....

Of course not. Do you - seriously - think the average voter worried about job security, income, retirement, health care costs, education, etc. is paying a minute's attention to this story?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:40 AM

9. I agree. The only people paying attention to this story

are people who aren't going to support her anyway. People are not as hooked in to politics as most people on DU, so when looking through the DU lens, everything is magnified.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:50 AM

12. Yup.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:34 AM

8. No. This is all sound and fury signifying nothing.

 

But hey, I've been wrong before.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:48 AM

10. I often wonder if candidates I don't support will implode since illogical or irrational policies

is usually the reason that I don't support them. I figure that a campaign spent defending such policies should make an implosion likely.

Hillary does not show up on my list of such candidates though I disagree with her on some issues and prefer Bernie.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:51 AM

13. Yes, but I'm sure it'll be the Vince Foster revelations.

 

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:52 AM

14. No

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:53 AM

15. No. This is "same old, same old" for the Clintons.

Remember 1992 - 2000 when every Clinton sneeze warranted a special investigator? The only thing that turned out to be true was a blow job. And Hillary wasn't involved.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:53 AM

16. i worshiped Jon Edwards. yes we need a plan b

The advantage of a clown car is the safety of numbers

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:54 AM

17. No, I do not think that she will implode

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:12 AM

18. I doubt it. The "another thing" would have to be significant and unequivocal.

I think she's more likely to shoot herself in the foot responding to something Bernie says.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:45 AM

19. No

But I think the rw heads, who are pushing the faux scandals, will explode when she is elected president.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:56 AM

20. No.

But the dumbass MSM will surely seize on any chance to equate the Foundation with the Kochs and dark money.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:57 AM

21. HRC will implode.

It's what she does best.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:04 AM

22. Very unlikely. If a populist fever sets in she can possibly be beaten, but implode, no.

Americans have a pretty real grip on who Hillary is, real or fictitious baggage and all. Whatever "sins" average Americans might find her guilty of are already priced in, details about the latest so called scandal might swirl around and change, but the big picture of who she is remains the same. Hillary is a smart tough political figure who consistently exhibits more competence than the average American political leader, who repeatedly expresses values and priorities more in keeping with a majority of Americans than those professed by her Republican opponents. She will not implode over allegations of money potentially buying access to or influence with her. Americans understand that money runs rampant in America - it's a given. They also know that the Republican party is built on a foundation of money buying influence.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:05 AM

23. Yes. We get it...

You don't like the Clintons.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:34 AM

24. My OP wasnt an attack

 

It happens. Look at John Edwards in 2008. He was quite popular then imploded after his extra marrital affair was revealed. And conflict of interest is a far more important questionnable thing than "srx scandals".

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Response to mylye2222 (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:26 PM

44. By conflict of interest what do you mean?

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:38 AM

25. Absurd...

If she was to drop out of the race she would be conceding her, her husband, and her daughter are corrupt. That will never happen.


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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:39 AM

26. No.

 

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:41 AM

28. Sounds more like wishful thinking on your part

 

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:42 AM

29. She won't implode based on non scandals

 

If she implodes it will be because she goes negative, like the last time she imploded.

Self destruct is a better term.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:46 AM

30. No. n/t

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:46 AM

31. I think there will be no implosion, and the corporate media's desire to legitimize 'ClintonCash'

the same way they sought to legitimize GOP witch hunts like Whitewater and Benghazi is utter horseshit - and I say that as a well-established critic of the Clintons.

Being a REAL critic of the Clintons here at DU should require a sense of discernment - carrying GOP/RW lie machines' pails of horseshit for them and actually reaching into the pail to grab and toss that horseshit around verbatim will never be something to just excuse away as legitimate debate.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:50 AM

32. Oh, yeah, suuuure! She'll "implode" over a stupid book that even the GOP is running from?

What planet did that foolish hope come from?

You really ought to use Google and check for updates on the smears you're repeating. When even shithole wingnut scuzzball rightwing websites like NEWSMAX (the CEO of NEWSMAX, in fact) say that the story has no legs, you can be sure that the GOP isn't going to use any of the material (cough pack of lies cough) in that book.

That dog couldn't hunt before the book was even released. You're dragging a dead animal in the DU house. You should consider dropping this line of "inquiry" lest people begin to suspect your motives.

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Response to MADem (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:53 AM

34. Haha. Always the same meme.

 

"Either You Are With Us, Or You Are With RWers" Cant wait for you stating Bernie is a RW tool to sonce he stated Clinton Money issue as much of a problem as Koch money worshippers.

Hillary Clinton has a conflict of interest problem. Deal with it. She broke the ethics agreement qhe sealed with Obama. That is facts. No fiction.
The Clinton Foundation was fueld with foreign money WHILE she was serving at State. Fact. No fiction.

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Response to mylye2222 (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:57 AM

35. No--the "meme" here is that you didn't do any research before you flung shit.

If you had, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself with a dumb-ass OP about a story that has been discredited for SEVERAL DAYS now.

Like I said, keep on keeping on--by your words we will know you. You're already showing us your .... hand ... with your comments to me.

Nothing wrong with differing on actual ISSUES--but when you recycle failed smears, some of that shit IS going to wind up on you, and you've only YOURSELF to blame.

So ... get over yourself-- and your "ha ha."

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Response to MADem (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:02 PM

37. Yeah. A conflict of interest "fiction "

 

that everyone knows happened!

Sad how the fact of being popular and the safety of a huge network bought Hillary's soul. She was good as a First Lady....

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Response to mylye2222 (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:19 PM

38. Which is why the RIGHTWING are discrediting it....? Please--get your facts in order, or don't

bother. You're spinning, now. It's embarrassing and cringeworthy to see on this website.

When Clinton's ENEMIES are holding their noses and saying "Geez, that book is utter shit--I'm not going to disgrace myself by giving it any credit or play" you might consider taking their hint.

You keep digging that hole, and it's not helping your argument or your credibility.

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Response to MADem (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:27 PM

45. Yup.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:57 AM

36. Doubt it.

Only thing I could say is, that beyond the hallowed halls of DU and wherever the opposites shrithe, there are the regulars, who only tell me that the only person they know is Hillary and that she will probably win.

Yes, I have quite a few people I know who avoid and don't like thinking about politics.
They will not be paying much attention till probably next year.

There are many things that could happen between now and then. Stating that, she is the current brand that people beyond here would probably flock to.

This is by no means an endorsement of HRC, I would support Sanders, O'Malley and others before her, but as I mention time and again... whomever wins the Democratic primary is the one I will vote for in the General Election.

I doubt that she would implode, as many of the things being talked about could easily be explained as the cost of doing business.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:22 PM

40. No.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:23 PM

41. yes. She is a woman and women are weak.

I'm surprised she made it this far without crying.

This might be necessary for some...

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:25 PM

43. Only if something really, REALLY unexpected pops up.

And I have no doubt that her team is doing everything they can to prevent that from happening.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:27 PM

46. No, and it would be a setback for all Democrats if that happened. nt

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:23 PM

49. Seirously? After all the scandals she's weathered over the decades?

Yeah, I'm sure she's losing a lot of sleep over it.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:27 PM

50. No.

There's strong support for her and she's a strong woman.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:28 PM

51. it would have to be a fuckup of monumental proportions

the Clintons have put up with plenty of RW manure over the years, i think they've found a way to use it as fertilizer.
Benghazi isn't going to sink her.
her private email server isn't going to sink her.
funky accounting practices aren't going to sink her.
astroturfy "listening tours" aren't going to sink her.

she'd have to do something really nasty to torpedo her campaign. right now, i can't think of what that would be, but it would have to be something ... special.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:31 PM

52. Nope...most will see this as just another RW Benghazi! that goes no where.

 

What HRC's foundation does or doesn't do, isn't as important a what HRC can do for women's rights, abortion rights, minimum wage increases, safeguarding and growing HCA, protecting social security from privitization etc etc. She is still solid with those important issues.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:33 PM

53. Nope - not gonna happen!

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:33 PM

54. NO, I don't think Hillary will implode but I can see where a lot of others will implode.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:34 PM

55. no. seriously. nt

 

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:36 PM

56. I think that all the dirt that has been thrown at her has shown her strength and resolve

Any normal person might have already folded and receded into the shadows. But Hillary has shown great resolve in how she has stood up in the face of all the fabricated controversy.

One more thing? How many one more things have already come to light and passed?

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:44 PM

57. I hope so.

 

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:50 PM

58. Are you kidding

 

This IS her environment. Hillary's right at home here. Scandal Queen, although there were no scandals. LOL! The GOP won't put the real pressure on till next summer. They'll throw Monica at her.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:53 PM

59. Yes, if the difference between internal and external air pressure becomes too great.

 

Oh, wait, you meant in a non-scientific way.

Hmm, I don't know.

Vamos a ver.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:02 PM

60. No

Hillary is an excellent politician. She's not exactly running the GBI or Foundation. These are Bill and Chelsea's toys. The accusations surrounding the donations are pretty baseless accusations as far as I can see; no quid pro quo, no personal benefit to her.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:52 PM

61. I think there is a significant non-zero probability

 

she could implode. She has a closet that is bursting with skeletons and policies and voluntary associations (war criminal Kissinger, Dimon, Blankfein) that are, shall we say, quite unsavory.

I make it at least 35%.

May it come to pass.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:58 PM

62. Nope

But a whole lot of people on DU will implode if she wins the nomination and they can't trasher anymore here on DU. What will they do?

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 03:00 PM

63. 30 % implode / 70% skates through

 

Only because her crisis management and responses to past scandals have been so poor and if a big bomb drops I don't think she'll make it.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun May 3, 2015, 12:46 PM

64. Kick...nt

Sid

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun May 3, 2015, 02:02 PM

65. Oh, you bet she will. She'll suddenly dissolve in tears

and abruptly withdraw from the race. You can bet on it. That's her style, as we've seen so many times in the past. How insightful you are.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun May 3, 2015, 02:28 PM

67. Nope

Highly unlikely.

Sorry...

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun May 3, 2015, 06:01 PM

68. Nothing bothers her. Not even the 100,000 innocent iraqis who died because she and the other cowards

in the senate knew better and sent us in to occupy Iraq, anyway.

I'm not worried about Hillary. She survives everything.

The question is, will the middle class survive her?

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun May 3, 2015, 06:09 PM

69. Sander's campaign has a better chance of imploding

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