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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's easy to support the violence and looting when you're safe in the lily white suburbs.
The implicit racism of white liberals cheering on the destruction of black neighborhoods by a small group of people is disgusting.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Not right now, anyway.
tenderfoot
(8,432 posts)The front lines no doubt.
Get over yourself.
Had the cops not started the riot - we wouldn't be talking right now.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)A small group of shitheads did, with encouragement from middle class whites who want to see things burn without having any skin in the game.
tenderfoot
(8,432 posts)the cops always start shit.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Well-played. Not sure if you intended it that way but well-played all the same.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)If person X hadn't done whatever then person Y wouldn't have been forced to commit their illegal actions.
Bullshit...
tenderfoot
(8,432 posts)the people reacted.
Mission Accomplished.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Where should a person advocating against rioting post from?
tenderfoot
(8,432 posts)Like this one...
Have a nice day
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)And hit him with a fire extinguisher in the head. Oh wait!!!!!
tenderfoot
(8,432 posts)I remember too.
Funny, nothing has changed for the better since then.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to promote justice!
4139
(1,893 posts)...hurts many, helps no one and makes everything worse.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I find the violence despicable.
Initech
(100,075 posts)There's people who want to add more fuel to the fire by allowing the police to use live ammo against the protesters. That's the part I find truly horrifying. Violence doesn't solve anything, but using violence to solve violence definitely doesn't work.
TampaAnimusVortex
(785 posts)We did a bang up job against Germany and Japan in WWII.
I'm being facetious of course. I'm not suggesting rolling tanks through Baltimore.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I believe it takes a special kind of thoughtless, 1st world privilege, constructed from fast food, truck nutz and ethical pretense to expect a calm, rational community response to the irrational and consistent actions of law enforcement.
However, I do certainly realize that many individuals feel morally self-validated by focusing on the singular tree rather than the forest as a whole-- as it's often ethically simplistic and convenient to hold the telescope backwards allowing us to see only what we want to see.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)Who has seen white agitators turn events like this into riots about them and their own political frustrations.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They call themselves, 'anarchists', and they break shit for the sake of breaking shit. They always ruin protests here.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)willl leave and not come back,leaving people who actually have to live there with fewer options than they already had.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I see your confusion now.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)And you're naive to think otherwise.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)So tough.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It's safe to say that the things he feels should be fucked up aren't in his neighborhood.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)Response to morningfog (Reply #10)
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I say, screw that.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)It is one of a handful I read through last night.
(As I noted below, it isn't whites I see cheering - but I AM seeing cheering)
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Didn't read that way to me. Anyway, the racism in this country is sickening, and police seem to be the main abusers of African Americans. This is so fucked up.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)And, from what I can tell, it is NOT white liberals doing the cheering.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)I also understand what it's like to not have a home, which makes me a little more sympathetic to burning down affordable housing projects. Have you been homeless? How about understanding from the perspective of the black business person who spent their whole life building something and now its gone thanks to a FEW assholes. These kids aren't representing black people as a whole.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)as a consequence of the human drive to make behavioral displays of frustration and anger.
It's part of human nature, a feature of behavior that is shared among gregarious great apes. We are, unfortunately, put together in a way that facilitates these things.
Not long ago exaggerated displays of waving clenched fists, and thumping fists on podiums was a routine part of oratory. TR, FDR, JFK all were are wavers and sometimes users of fist bumping.
Many of us have witnessed displays in our lives, or in the media, of frustrated/angry tirades...remember the scene in Christmas story when the father is in the basement with the dysfunctional furnace?
Some of us have witnessed destruction of property, throwing things smashing plates, etc. Some of us have seen tantrums of 'losing it' within our own homes. The rumor mill says this behavior has even taken place not long ago in The Residence. True or not, people believe it because it's not uncommon.
When tolerance is neared or exceeded and words fail humans make displays of their displeasure. These things usually aren't entirely rational or well thought out. The displays are typically done in our immediate vicinity and so the damage, destruction that takes place is often to our own property or immediate environment.
These displays are witnessed, and the communication of the display is usually understood. Sometimes others join in support, and coalitions making even bigger displays form and grow. Most of us have seen this in human 'games' such as bench clearing baseball fights. Is it rational? No. Do we punish it? Sort of. But we understand it as part of the darker reality of human nature.
From a distance it's possible to see what happened yesterday in Baltimore was both unacceptable and predictable as human nature. It was an inevitable display of the end of tolerance and yet also the destruction of property, yes, criminal destruction of property intended to serve the community and make lives more tolerable.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)And the internet makes it that much easier. The minute these riots made their way to a white suburb people would be hauling ass in their Subarus and calling 911.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that came within 6 blocks of their home or bus/train stop.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)....will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy March 13, 1962
100% of the fault for what is happening in Baltimore falls upon the murdering scumbags in blue.
All. Of. It.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)But that doesn't mean that what is happening now is a positive. In fact I would bet most people in these communities who had to take the day off work to watch their kids or had their housing or business burned to the ground don't care whose fault it is at this point.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)You don't.
Period.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Residents of that very same community.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Nobody is more responsible for what I do than I am. To claim that somebody else can make you resort to violence, especially pointless rioting, is just a way to try to shed personal responsibility.
To put it another way, my dad was an abusive ass. But that doesn't give me an out to say he's responsible if I then repeat that cycle to others.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Get back to me when the goons in blue are murdering your friends and family. In the meantime, your standing to pass judgment is questionable, at best.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)The ones I see supporting the violence and looting on DU whose race I recognize are not white - and they have been condemning people who oppose the looting as racist, privileged, etc.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)fighting the war themselves?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:05 AM - Edit history (1)
it's getting ridiculous. I don't see a whole lot of people "cheering." I see people empathizing. There are fringe outliers, but we do not have hoards "cheering the destruction." Please. Good Lord, get a grip people.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)"Burn it down."
It wasn't sarcastic either.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I don't think that poster was suggesting that they should fuck up any of his things.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6576560
mopinko
(70,103 posts)in the nba or something.
nobody is cheering. that is just a dumb thing to say.
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)anger.
granted, i have not gone into a lot of the threads, but the ones i have, it is an understanding, not excuses, acceptance, support of.
BIG difference. ya think
Orsino
(37,428 posts)It's easier to do a lot of things in the lily-white suburbs, which is sort of the problem.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)when one doesn't live in the worst neighborhoods of West Baltimore, and see police abuse all the time.
Where did you think your statement was going to go?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... is that hand wringing about the violence, looting and arson is a form of concern trolling.
I think that this OP fits the above linked thread to a T.
When black neighborhoods burn, ultra conservatives and ultra liberals crowd around the TV. The former because it validates their racist attitudes, and the latter because smoke filled black neighborhoods show that someone is finally doing something.
Neither examines how their attitudes might change if it was their own neighborhood on fire.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)where they can be the most effective.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)....
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)True "revolutionaries". They really want to tear the whole system down by what ever means necessary, no matter the consequences. When I see some on the Left in this day and age still claiming they are Communists, they tells me all I need to know about that person and their beliefs.