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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:08 AM Apr 2015

Don't Be Fooled: Hillary Is Way to Bill’s Left!

Last edited Sun Apr 5, 2015, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

Liz Mair

She’ll try to wrap herself in her husband’s legacy, but the record shows she’s way to his left. Republicans’ job: make sure America knows.

One of these Clintons is not like the other.

As the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign behemoth gets seemingly closer to raising itself and beginning its plod toward its great Philadelphia coronation, Republicans are giddy at the prospect of being able to remind Americans about the return of Clintonism. They should stop it, now, for three reasons.

First, while many Republicans never liked Bill Clinton and do not have universally positive memories of the mid- to late-90’s, many Americans—including conservatives and libertarians— look back on that period with fondness and nostalgia.

Second, too few Americans are or were then sufficiently politically engaged or news-addicted to remember the Clinton drama (aside from the Lewinsky scandal) that so many Republicans and media figures warn is already returning, much less treat it as a top priority.

But third, and most importantly, tying Hillary Clinton to her husband is an act of political malpractice that ignores the fact that on economic issues, she was—during his presidency, during her 2008 campaign, and still today—significantly to the left of him.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/05/don-t-be-fooled-hillary-is-way-to-bill-s-left.html

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Liz fact sheet for new Twitter followers/trolls/people making assumptions they maybe shouldn't
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http://www.lizmair.com/blog.php?article=Liz-fact-sheet-for-new-Twitter-followerstrollspeople-making-assu_735

Scott Walker hires GOP digital strategist Liz Mair - CNN.com
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Walker digital strategist quits after tweets critical of Iowa ...
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/liz-mair-scott-walker-iowa-116174.html

Dear @ScottWalker, Liz Mair Is a Friend of Mine | RedState
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The culture of outrage and the end of the Liz Mair affair ...
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Don't Be Fooled: Hillary Is Way to Bill’s Left! (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2015 OP
excerpt OKNancy Apr 2015 #1
I don't take it that she was against the Keystone pipeline. karynnj Apr 2015 #3
Agreed. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #21
I would say she was way more ambiguous than for it karynnj Apr 2015 #24
I love how Republicans claim every single Democrat who ever runs for president gollygee Apr 2015 #2
Yes, thanks to the National Journal "rating"... DonViejo Apr 2015 #4
since the fall of the Soviet Union awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #17
We seek her here, we seek her there, hedgehog Apr 2015 #5
But of course. 99Forever Apr 2015 #6
LOL! DiverDave Apr 2015 #7
First... DonViejo Apr 2015 #12
It's never wise to put any credence in what the right is saying in this country. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #8
I'm skeptical on that count. Chan790 Apr 2015 #9
Who knew the very corporate TPP was a Lefty thing? djean111 Apr 2015 #10
I think it's been too long since the right has seen an actual liberal. Marr Apr 2015 #11
We ran Al Gore and all the conservatives fled the party and voted for Dubya. Rex Apr 2015 #22
Yep-- that's exactly who lost that election, contrary to Marr Apr 2015 #26
And I get 'challenged' for posting propaganda... Purveyor Apr 2015 #13
Hey, GOP rag, which is lefter: TPP or Modernization Act of 1999? nt valerief Apr 2015 #14
nah, rethug shills never have an agenda cali Apr 2015 #15
Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery. ffr Apr 2015 #16
Liz Mair is a spin artist. Even worse an extremist libertarian Republican spin artist. WillTwain Apr 2015 #18
Since Sec. Clinton was once against NAFTA, she'll oppose TPP? Orsino Apr 2015 #19
LOL. Riiiiiight. /nt AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #20
I knew I did not hallucinate about reading that HRC is distancing herself from the TPP. nt Rex Apr 2015 #23
Her wholehearted embrace of the banksters hifiguy Apr 2015 #25
To the far right, she's way left, to the far left, she's way right. MADem Apr 2015 #27

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
1. excerpt
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:20 AM
Apr 2015
More recently, Hillary and Bill have appeared to disagree over the Keystone XL pipeline. In 2012, the State Department, then headed by Hillary, “recommended to President Obama that the presidential permit for the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline be denied and that at this time, the TransCanada Keystone XL Pipeline be determined not to serve the national interest.” Shortly thereafter, Bill Clinton went on record saying of Keystone XL that “I think we should embrace it.”

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
3. I don't take it that she was against the Keystone pipeline.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:43 AM
Apr 2015

Her objection and Obama's at that point was the study was not complete. It would have been negligent for anyone to approve it then.

However, she charged an industry connected team to do an evaluation and set as the scenario that the oil is extracted with or without it making all carbon from the dirty oil not count. This assumption ignores that if the cost to transport is lowered, the threshold cost for when it is too expensive to extract is raised by the same amount. This changes the amount and the carbon of that amount should be on the debit side of the leger .

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
21. Agreed.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 03:05 PM
Apr 2015

She was for it.

Hillary is to Bill' s left according to her Senate votes and also by the accomplishements she performed re. Women rights issues.
we can't deny it.

But re. to her links with WS, her pro war stances, she is as just as center right to Bill, if no more.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
24. I would say she was way more ambiguous than for it
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 03:19 PM
Apr 2015

I don't fault her for that, because the administration has not taken a position either.

I assume that she likely hoped that the decision would have been made a few years ago and that it would not be hers. It is POLITICALLY a tough issue. A firm position on either side, could cost more votes than taking no stand at all.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. I love how Republicans claim every single Democrat who ever runs for president
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:24 AM
Apr 2015

is the most liberal Democrat ever. LOL. Didn't they say Obama was the most liberal Democrat in the Senate when he first ran?

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
5. We seek her here, we seek her there,
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:57 AM
Apr 2015

Those Repubs seek her everywhere.
Is she to the Right—Or secret Lefty?
That demmed, elusive Hillary.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
7. LOL!
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:38 AM
Apr 2015

Um, I think you (and THEM, the rat bastards at the dlc) should have typed 'right' instead of left.

Nice try.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
12. First...
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 01:36 PM
Apr 2015

I didn't write the headline, it was done by the author or, the paid headline writer at The Daily Beast. Second, did you read the article, or are you just reacting to a headline you disapprove of? Third, if Sec'y Clinton wins the nomination, will you be leaving DU?

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
8. It's never wise to put any credence in what the right is saying in this country.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:40 AM
Apr 2015

Even when I agree with them on the rare occasion that I do it's usually for entirely different reasons (theirs not being based in reality just about always). Reactionary thinking should stay within the confines of the political right (where it thrives and is abundant). We should think for ourselves and not let what they think sway our thinking. Ever.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
9. I'm skeptical on that count.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:46 AM
Apr 2015

I don't believe Hillary is even remotely progressive or liberal...and I don't believe she's more liberal than Bill who is already too conservative for my liking.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. Who knew the very corporate TPP was a Lefty thing?
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:03 PM
Apr 2015

Actually, Bill Clinton is of no interest to me now. Neither is Hillary's campaign rhetoric, especially since it seems she needs 200 advisers (NYT) to tell her what she should say. I really think she should have had a clear idea on her own, or at least ready to go. She has had years and years to get ready for this. Unless amassing all that money was all the preparation she felt she needed. Now this is just campaign posturing. Which, of course, is not the same as what happens after the election.
The banks being bold enough to say that Warren should STFU up, or else, is pretty illuminating as to where the Democratic Party has slid and who it answers to. To the economic right, no matter how much lipstick is lavished on it.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
11. I think it's been too long since the right has seen an actual liberal.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

We should run one. They'd probably win just from all the GOP votes lost to heart attacks.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. We ran Al Gore and all the conservatives fled the party and voted for Dubya.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 03:06 PM
Apr 2015

The same ones that complain so much about liberals. Funny how that works out.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
26. Yep-- that's exactly who lost that election, contrary to
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 04:01 PM
Apr 2015

DLC-types' endlessly repeated rants about Nader.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
16. Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 11:47 AM
Apr 2015

"...Republicans are giddy at the prospect of being able to remind Americans about the return of Clintonism. They should stop it, now..."

They won't because they hate the successful model of having the economy and public debt dog by the tail. Republis are miserable cruel people who wallow in their own hatred. They form conclusions first then go about building a case to support their beliefs. And if that doesn't work, they bury their heads in the sand.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, will get them to vote for anyone with a 'D' by their name.

 

WillTwain

(1,489 posts)
18. Liz Mair is a spin artist. Even worse an extremist libertarian Republican spin artist.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:32 PM
Apr 2015

In this piece, she is working strategic communications on Hillary's behalf. She clearly wants Hillary as the Democratic nominee rather than a true lefty. Mair is a paid liar. She may or may not be lying here, but she is often paid to fool people. That is her job. The Daily Beast is not considered a lefty site, either.

Hillary can clear everything up as soon as she announces. She should immediately state her positions and fixes for all the big economic issues.

I hope she is far to the left of Bill, but that is speculation. In one simple speech, she can end all doubt. If she does not come clean fast, Mair will prove to be a liar.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
19. Since Sec. Clinton was once against NAFTA, she'll oppose TPP?
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:42 PM
Apr 2015

Seems to be the thesis here, and it is not supported.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
25. Her wholehearted embrace of the banksters
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 03:23 PM
Apr 2015

proves that this is BS on stilts.



I don't remember many real liberals sucking up to well-known war criminal Henry Kissinger, either.



One comes to be known by the company one chooses to keep, and HRC's BFFs seem to be a cross section of the worst this planet has to offer.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. To the far right, she's way left, to the far left, she's way right.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:12 AM
Apr 2015

There's no pleasing everyone, never has been, never will!

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