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Middle class doesnt have a definite, official definition. But the Pew Charitable Trust defines it as households that earn between 67 and 200 percent of a states median income. Based on this metric and some statistics, Business Insider came up with a list of how much you have to earn to be considered middle class, depending on your state.
Personally, I think the definition is too low on both ends. A person in Florida making over $92,000 isn't exactly upper class. That's solid middle class to me.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This needs to be done by local area to have meaning. For instance, the median income and what is middle class is very different in Needles, California, and San Francisco. Similarly the difference is huge between Lowville, NY and Manhattan.
The other thing this needs to have to have meaning is Cost of living for each local region.
Middle class, at least to me, is more than just being in the middle of income. It has to do with earning at or up to moderately above a living wage. In other words the middle class can be close to non existent in an area, or it might be a huge percentage of a population.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)literally would be unable to rent an apartment.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Yeah. Per this chart, a middle class household in Manhattan literally would be unable to eat after paying the rent rent on their apartment.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)is in my experience, that level of income wouldn't even qualify you as a renter. I don't even understand how people live here without cosigners.
But yeah, assuming they were able to sign a lease.. not much left for anything else.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)2 people making 20 K in Alabama - middle class if they live together
but not if they live apart.
A family of 4 with 40 K income would not be considered well off, given the much higher expenses.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I am interested in a study that takes into account both of our points.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)The median income is higher in blue states than red states.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I could take my home in Maryland and own an entire red state outright. Lol....close.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)due to the higher cost of living.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)So awesome we are number one. We pay our workers well. Yeah!!!!! We are the best state around. Probably the lowest percentage of poor too.
kelly1mm
(4,733 posts)in cost of living adjusted poverty rate (13.4%). Basically middle of the pack but better than the national averages of 12.6% and 16.0 %.
There is more to Maryland than the DC/Batimore suburbs (where incomes are high and skew the state averages).
Baltimore City, Eastern shore, Western Maryland (say west of Frederick), are all pretty poor areas.
link for stats:
http://www.ask.com/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate?o=2801&qsrc=999&ad=doubleDown&an=apn&ap=ask.com
Warpy
(111,261 posts)Throw in a couple of kiddies and a house big enough to house them all, and everybody on the low and mid range is living paycheck to paycheck and that is not middle class, even though it might be the middle of the pittances working slobs get these days.
The people on the top end of the range are just beginning to be able to save and invest for retirement, but they can't afford to pay the kids' way through college, take vacations every year, or do anything much that the middle class of 40 years ago could count on.
This range is working class, not middle class.
America needs a raise. The ridiculous amounts of wealth hoarded by the top 1% needs to be redistributed where it will do some good. The only way they should be able to escape confiscatory taxation is by building industry in the US, hiring US workers at living wages.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)(ie than the median): http://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=46189
(was 2.0 times in 1984, 2.1 in 1995, and 2.2 in 2005). So earning more than twice as much as the median probably puts you in the top 20%, or maybe a little higher than that. It seems a good cut-off point to me. If you have twice what the average person has, you're doing pretty well.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)Because of that, wages at the bottom haven't come anywhere near the inflation rate. Marking us off against each other is a losing game because of that and we've all been shoved down a class. The numbers don't tell the story here. What those numbers will buy does.
You're arguing over the crumbs we have left, which is what the authors of the above graph want you to do.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)What the top 0.1% takes doesn't really come into this, because we're looking at the relative figures for people well below that.
The message of the Pew Charitable Trust calculation, by the way, was that the middle class is shrinking: http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2015/3/19/the-shrinking-middle-class-mapped-state-by-state
Keeping with the Florida figures, it's shrunk from 48.8% in 2000 to 45.9% in 2013. Yes, the median income has also gone down, after adjusting for inflation, from $53,493 to $46,036.
For people who want to place themselves, I think it's also worth using the figures that include the number of people in a household - a single person household is obviously a lot better off for a given income than a 4 person household. This page has the 2013 figures for 60% of the median for different sizes, in all the states: http://www.liheapch.acf.hhs.gov/tables/FY2013/fy_13_smi_table.pdf
Again, for Florida, the 60% of median figures are, for 1 to 6 person households:
20,507 26,817 33,127 39,437 45,747 52,057
So the median figures are:
34,178 44,695 55,212 65,728 75,245 86,762
So, for a 4 person household, that would put the Pew middle class definition between $44,038 and 131,456.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)What is described above is working class.
Period.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)The upper end, that's what I used to consider "middle class" purchasing power.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)$100,000 is the 80th percentile of income.
The key to happiness is low expectations. Those who think that $100,000 is middle anything are bound to be unhappy.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Although that places their household in the 80th percentile, no one would suggest that they are anything but middle class.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)But I'm also in the lower middle class in all 50 states. And I'm by myself. No kids, no husband, nobody, so that means I'm doing much better with my salary than others with the same salary who have kids.
I thank my union for my salary increases in the last 5 years. Teamsters rock!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I wish I got the $40,127. middle class lower bound. I wouldn't be struggling like I do now.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thank God my gf has a good job and loves me.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Actually, they're multi meaning, you can read into them what you want.
In our little podunk county in CA, the median household income barely tops the statewide "Middle Class Lower Bound" of $40k.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I think what used to be the middle class makes more than these charts show, but there aren't many of them left, and the working poor class has increased substantially.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)I live in WA state. Earning $39,000 will not get you far. It sure won't get you a decent house, pay your electric bill, pay for groceries, send your kids to college, and give you a dignified retirement. You are right. The middle class is disappearing. It is almost non existent.