It is getting harder and harder to support Obama....

[Bennyboy]

in any way. Period.



His MMJ policies are horrible. The NDAA etc and constant pandering to the right wing jackoffs and now this:

Hemp Industries Association (HIA) shared a link
.
3 hours ago
On May 1st we attended the Center for American Progress' drug policy event with ONDCP Director Gil Kerlikowske. Written questions were taken from the audience, but our hemp questions were screened out. When the event ended and it was obvious that our questions was not going to be asked Eric Steenstra tried to question Gil Kerlikowske: Why won't you let farmers grow hemp? Here is what happened after the mics were cut.

[Little Star]

1. It's a sad day when even I'm wishing it was DU election season. lol

I normally have had the attitude "what's the rush".

The day is late and the time is short.

[obxhead]

76. I tried that this morning.

All I received was hate so I deleted my post.

[mdmc]

2. lesser of two evils bennyboy

I live in a blue state, so I never vote for a drug warrior.

[Bennyboy]

19. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still

choosing evil" Jerry Garcia. I live in CA and drug warriors are all we got. Obama is a drug warrior in fact much worse than any previous Prez.

[mdmc]

31. Well, you live in a blue state - vote for some freedom loving candidate

Obama is going to win CA and NYS. We can vote for the left if we want.

[Bennyboy]

40. More than likely I will. (NT)

[mdmc]

44. off topic

I got to see Bob Weir Acoustic in Pittsfield, MA on 4-29-11. Good times..

[nobodyspecial]

3. Yeah

and I'm sure the Republican policies under Romney will be better. Argue beliefs and values all you want. We still have ONLY two choices in this election. And, no, they are NOT the same.

[mdmc]

32. One is shit, the other is super shitty..

If you live in a blue state, go ahead and vote for a real deal liberal.

I live in NYS. Obama will win NYS even if I vote Green. So I don't need to vote for some pot smoking drug warrior.

[truebrit71]

4. Yup. You are so right. President Rmoney would be so much more liberal...

Oh wait....

Gimme a fucking break dude/dudette...

He is on my shit list for alot of the same reasons, but do you REALLY think a Rmoney presidency would garner better results?

[mdmc]

33. Mitt will stay the same course

Both Mitt and Obama will fight the losing drug war. Mitt might be better, more or likely worse.

[Scuba]

5. One issue voter, huh?

[Wait Wut]

10. Ah....

...thank you.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

6. Yeah, cause Rmoney would be sooo much better!

[southernyankeebelle]

7. Stay your butt home and we get the alternative who isn't going to give you hemp either.

What is wrong with you one issue people. My goodness do you really want a damn republican president who has said over and over he doesn't care about the poor. He has no idea what middle america is like. Your pissed because Obama won't give you medical hemp? Sorry I hope he'll do it after he is elected. But you have to look at the bigger picture. Can you see republicans making hay of that. Obama does things I surely don't like but I sure don't want the alternative. Do you want a man like Mittens who is truly beholden to the extreme right wing?

[mdmc]

34. God Bless Freedom

If I don't want to vote for a drug warrior, I don't need to. I can vote for a freedom candidate that supports the pursuit of happiness.

The world won't change much if Mitt wins, but I prefer Obama.

[southernyankeebelle]

47. I just hate one issue voters. It is just silly.

[mdmc]

52. I have many issues

indefinite detention, drone strikes, free trade, medical pot, ACA. Neither party is "good", one party is very very bad.

My electoral vote in NYS will go to OBama. It doesn't matter if I vote ..

[southernyankeebelle]

54. Well you keep thinking like that. Remember 2010 that is all I can say.

[mdmc]

55. Anyone that didn't see 2010 coming was a fool

it was a mid term election, people hated the war, the war raged on, and health care was mealy mouthed..

The GOP was ready to fight
The Dems were ready to fight for single payer health insurance.

[bluestate10]

64. DU has too many of that type railing against Obama for one issue.

When I read their posts, one thought comes out, that is "why doesn't that person pull his or her head out of their ass?" Their blindness will insure that their pet issues get set back a fucking century, yet they are completely clueless to that reality.

[Zalatix]

73. "The world won't change much if Mitt wins" now that is just crazy wrong.

If I weren't so polite today, I might... nah, I bet I'd get a jury on my ass for finishing that (even though the other guy who said it, didn't).

[baldguy]

79. People thought that in 2000, also.

Saying "they were wrong" is an understatement.

[goclark]

88. You got that right!

I think Obama is timing it just right.

He is looking at the BIG picture and that is fine with me.

[southernyankeebelle]

89. I hope he'll swing to the left in the next 4 yr.

[DearAbby]

8. Romney will bring you that step closer to realizing the dream?

Yeah riiiiiiiiiight

[Politicub]

9. If this is someone's single issue litmus test, then good luck finding anyone to vote for.

I agree with Pelosi that the DOJ needs to back off, but not voting for Obama over this is really throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[mdmc]

35. Obama will win no matter who I vote for in NYS

So I will vote for a liberal.

[LadyHawkAZ]

11. That's odd. I find it easier and easier

every time Rmoney and Mrs. Rmoney open their mouths.

[kiranon]

62. Feel the same way. n/t

[Kaleva]

12. Didn't know that Romney was pro-hemp.

It's a simple fact that one will not get everything they want out of politician. The only way you can do that is to run for office yourself and even then, you'll probably find that you have to make compromises in order to expand your base of support.

[Politicalboi]

13. New made up rumor

Rmoney is going to take away our booze, cigarettes, and foul language.

[cali]

14. Not for me.

Romney scares the living daylights out of me.

[mdmc]

36. why?

MA didn't go bankrupt under Romney.
The USA will survive a MITT presidency..

Sure Obama will win, but Mitt won't end the world..

[cali]

45. first of all, MA had a super majority of dems in the legislature

during Romney's tenure. Do you understand how that works? Do you understand that if Romney wins he could well have a repub majority? Huge difference.

And no, it's not guaranteed that Obama will win.

[mdmc]

50. I've never been so sure that a candidate will be reelected

But I know that Obama will will VT and NYS. So why not vote for the real deal instead of the lesser of two evils?

[cali]

56. that and 5 bucks will get you a Starbuck's latte

I think you underestimate the forces aligned against the President and those forces include the economy, the racism and history.

And I don't see President Obama as the great evil tyrant that you do.

[mdmc]

59. Obama is a great man

I never thought less of our President. I just wanted my vote to go to the person that represents me the best. If I was on PA I would be voting Obama no doubt.

You and I live in the blue states. We can vote to the left if we wanted to.

[wandy]

15. This is not a lesser of two evils argument. Their are only two things Romney is better than....

1)St.santorum.
2)A sharp stick in the eye.

In that order.

[silverweb]

23. +1,000,000

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]You said it! While I don't agree with all of our President's policy positions and actions, I recognize that he's up against some really awful opposition and he does what he can.

Pobody's nerfect, but our Prez is someone I greatly respect, admire, and support.


[font color="purple" font size=5 face="Comic Sans"]GObama! [/font]

[Rittermeister]

84. Maybe more than two

I would probably include most all of the Republican party, HIV, and nerve gas.

[11 Bravo]

90. I thought about genital warts, but that's pretty much a dead heat.

[Autumn]

16. Yes his MMJ policy is horrible.

But every policy that any repuke is going to push is worse. That should help make it easier.

[Swede Atlanta]

17. Benny Boy.......get a grip..........

While I might disagree with Obama's MMJ policies and actions it is fine for us to disagree "within the family".

But to suggest you cannot support him when you may agree with him on many other issues suggest your are not being intellectually honest. Is your single voting issue the MMJ policy? If so you are no worse than those that vote based on a candidate's single-issue position on Abortion, Gays, Guns, Torture, Illegals, etc.

Serving as the executive of a nation as diverse and complex as we are is no easy task. There are many views and interests to balance.

Staying home from supporting Obama in November just furthers the possibility of a Romney presidency. I suggest you will be crying over spilled milk if that happens because he is going to be opposed to every single position you support IN ADDITION TO your position on MMJ.

They may wear magic underwear in the LDS temples but they don't smoke any MMJ.

[marybourg]

20. Excellent response to an intellectually

dishonest OP.

[Bennyboy]

18. Not sure I ever said I would support Rmoney at all...

In fact I couldn't. So let's not even go there okay? And not jsut the HEMP or cannabis issue. Many many things are very upsetting about this administration, and I don't think you can deny it either.


But disillusioned beyond belief I am. Not likely I will do anything to support him this time. And I worked pretty hard for him in 2008.


But, it is inexcusable to have this happen. TONE DEAF. Like last year in the White House Q and A where Obama himself ignored all of the pot questions even though they were all in the top five responses.

The year before he answered mockingly, but at least he answered.

It makes me sick when i see a presumably liberal (even though he is more right than Clinton, but not as far right as Rahm, in reality) ignore questions. Especailly about the ONE CHANGE That we could make in this country that would actually change things. Why can't we have the dialog (I know why..... they don't want to have people who don't know the facts, know the facts) and at least start the changes.

[jp11]

37. I've seen nothing to indicate he is a liberal in any sense.

Going with the 'times' where the majority of people support the supposed 'liberal' positions that are taken doesn't make you liberal nor does the crazy rw people screaming this or that is a 'liberal' policy make it liberal.

[mdmc]

38. I worked my ass off for Bill Clinton and Obama too Bennyboy

They were both better than the alternative. Yet nothing really changed under Clinton, Bush, or Obama. We are still in Rayguns America.

[fascisthunter]

42. ignore the ignorant rhetoric

stay true to yourself.

[Robb]

49. You "worked pretty hard for him in 2008"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3368484&mesg_id=3368632

[scheming daemons]

51. Nice find! OP is busted!

...

[mdmc]

53. I worked pretty hard for him in 2008

I am sure he will win in 2012 without me..

[panader0]

57. It appears that Benny boy is a liar

[Ikonoklast]

63. Appears Benny boy is a spreader of FUD.

Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Today Obama lost my support....
the death penalty thing and now this. I will write him a message, but as far as working on his cmapign as I had planned, NO WAY. I will be wroting (again) feinsteins office too. god she pisses me off. I don't think anyone ever has pissed me off more than she does. At least with Bush you know what he is. with DiFi she is like a snake in the grass.

How many times does one get to say here that he does not support this president, yet remain a member?

[Tarheel_Dem]

66. Damn Robb. Can't slip nothing by you!

[Scurrilous]

85. Heh.

[Sheepshank]

86. Same meme in 2008 as 2012

so why still here after all thes years? Perhaps support of the Democratic nominee isn't the reason.

[DiverDave]

21. Who else?

romney?

I don't like the crap he has done either, but I'm stuck.
I'll be DAMNED if I would let a repuke win because I didnt vote.

Oh and I dont capitalize peoples names who dont deserve respect.
a small protest, but my own.

[lamp_shade]

22. Benny, Benny, Benny....

[dionysus]

24. that's nice.

[One of the 99]

25. Ask yourself this

Do you really want Mitt Romney determining the course of the Supreme Court for the next 20 years?

[DCBob]

26. so you are picking a President based on their "hemp policy" ??

good grief.

[pinboy3niner]

27. Not for me

We may criticize Obama all we want, but he is the only thing standing between us and RMoney and the Supreme Court from Hell.

[liberal N proud]

28. If single issues persuade you so easily

Well, not sure the support was ever there.

[Zalatix]

29. Really, and who will you vote for? Or will you sit things out and let the GOP take over even more?

[mdmc]

39. I will vote for a liberal

Obama will get my electoral vote as I live in NYS..

[stlsaxman]

30. I heard Ron Paul is going to give free pot to everyone!

[JNelson6563]

41. Interesting thread for such a shit OP

[Luminous Animal]

43. Pelosi isn't happy about the raids, either.

“I have strong concerns about the recent actions by the federal government that threaten the safe access of medicinal marijuana to alleviate the suffering of patients in California, and undermine a policy that has been in place under which the federal government did not pursue individuals whose actions complied with state laws providing for medicinal marijuana.

Source: The Bay Citizen (http://s.tt/1aNNo)

[trumad]

46. So yopu're going to see Ron Paul tonight eh?

Come on---you can try harder.

[NYC Liberal]

48. Not for me, it isn't, nor is it for the liberal Democratic base of the party.

[whistler162]

58. What has he started supporting "MMJ" use?

that would be horrible!

[Odin2005]

60. I agree with you, even though I feel compelled to vote for him.

Because the alternative is even worse.

[Raine]

61. Yeah it sucks when the incentive to vote is because the other guy is worse

I'm really getting sick and tired of that. I can see the day when that is not going to be enough for anyone.

[Bennyboy]

83. That is no shit.

The other guy is worse. That is about it. And I could never vote for Rmoney or even Ron Paul. It is getting harder and harder to support Obama however. As more and more freedoms are taken away and more drones are launched both in foreign countries and here in the US, the more and more pandering to the right etc, it is getting hard to show support.

BTW< as you can see by the post above (From before the elections in 2008 I believe in June, when I was still in Kucinich withdrawals), that this is not the only thing that I don't care much for out of Obama. It is not, as in my first post, a one issue thing. NOR is pot my main issue (The OP is about mostly hemp and the refusal to answer questions about what might be a touchy subject).

The issue here is the tone deafness of the Obama administration. How they won't even talk about it. That is the issue. I never expect Obama to send everyone 3 joint or say "Legalize it bro" But I also expect them to have a dialogue so that we can at least get the ball rollling. I am not happy with his stance on MMJ either, after all that was my livelyhood and really really really caused me a lot of distress in my life due to that. But that isn't it either. DISGUSTING THOUGH IT IS.

[DevonRex]

65. This needs to be close to Benny's Ron Paul thread. :) nt

[geek tragedy]

67. Kick for the Obama-hating Paulbots. nt

[Jamaal510]

68. Obama's not perfect,

but it's sickening to see his critics here compare him to someone as incompetent as Romney, despite all of his accomplishments:
http://www.alternet.org/story/154840/top_50_things_accomplished_by_president_barack_obama?page=entire

Granted, I think his stance on marijuana is wrong. But marijuana is the type of issue that can wait. There are more important matters out there, such as creating jobs. Under Obama, we have seen over 25 straight months of job growth. Romney, meanwhile, has pledged to "do the opposite" of what Obama has done, so I'll let everyone do the math regarding what that means. And as far as the other guy remaining in the GOP race (Paul), even though his plan would eliminate the deficit, virtually ever safety net program for the working class would be eliminated, and we would be without public education and the EPA.

[cliffordu]

69. Then don't support him

Who could care?

[DevonRex]

70. The dearly

departed care. Although whether they be or depends on whom one asks.

[cliffordu]

71. Ah...Sorry for our loss.

[deacon]

72. Silly. Drugs/marijuana are far from a priority issue given the state of things at the moment. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

74. I'm voting for Obama, but i agree with you. The administration is wrong on this.

Why our tax dollars are being used to harass cancer grannies for getting high, I have no idea.

[treestar]

75. It is getting harder and harder to care about the opinions of people for whom

marijuana is the biggest issue there is. I honestly don't even care.

[TheKentuckian]

81. Or civil liberties, or the ever increasing wealth differential, or toxic "free trade" policies,

or environmental stewardship, or the corporate influence over and even capture of our government, or the voting machines and disenfranchisement campaigns by the TeaPubliKlans (well...until election season now it is a mewing issue), or accountability of the wealthy and well connected, or a sane health care system, or not assimilating poor ass recycled Republican policies or adopting their wicked worldview, or dismantling this bullshit "war on terror", or ramping down the police state.

Hell, I'd settle for ceasing and desisting the pretense the TeaPubliKlans are well meaning folks that love our country, take their duties seriously, working toward the best interests of the people with whom we disagree in a few areas.

I'm voting for not making the minimally acceptable the enemy of the less horribly worse, accepting that some terrible precedence have been set, reinforced, or made consensus that will create serious downward pressure on the quality of the office and the government at large unless something pretty damn big happens to change the trajectory.

We have failed our country and the future by making less bad than an ever worse Republican party the only real measuring stick. Which means our guys can feel free to grow ever worse too. The dynamic set up is deadly and ever more difficult to break away from.

[treestar]

82. Well this was about weed

[lunatica]

77. Vote your conscience by all means

But I wouldn't be too proud of my principles if they meant letting the worst possible Republican candidate win the election. You might consider that the other party will be far more hostile to hemp and impossible to work with, even to garner a few inches of movement in the right direction. I would think a marijuana warrior would be in it for the long haul, counting each victory as a step towards a goal.

But that's just me.

[B Calm]

78. I'll be thinking about my investments and

it don't look good for the republicans.

[Mr Dixon]

80. IMO

As if mitt is going to make drugs legal? Really I don’t think so.

[Sheepshank]

87. I guess I don't see 'evil' in chosing Obama to be POTUS

using any sort of rhetoric that I must be chosing the lesser of two evils just isn't my reality

[Aerows]

91. You know

Obama isn't perfect, but I believe that fundamentally, he is a good person. I trust in that. In a second term, he can accomplish a lot.

I believe, fundamentally, that Romney is a selfish, evil person. I don't trust in that. In fact, it makes me queasy to even imagine him anywhere near the White House.

That is the basis upon which I will cast my vote. We can rant and rave about things we don't like, but if you think it wouldn't be 100 times worse under the Mittwit, you are out of your mind!

[Control-Z]

92. Ever heard of a shit stirrer?

Oh course you have.

[bhikkhu]

93. I'm not sure drugs are the biggest issue

I haven't even made up my own mind about what would be best there (as a non-drinker, non-smoker, etc), so its hard to fault the president (much) for allowing standing law to be enforced. That is kind of the job.

On the NDAA, I still think the best thing for anyone is to junk all the spin on that and read the bill. I still wonder if there is not some underlying tendency toward paranoia feeding the fears there...
The NDAA is a standard war-powers thing, about the same as in any previous war, and outside of specifically defined war conditions the norm of civil law applies fully. Obama has ended the conflict in Iraq, he is on a good schedule shutting down the conflict in Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda is about finished - so how you say things are going in the wrong direction there?