Azealia Banks admits she hates 'everything about this country'

[philosslayer]

Azealia Banks hates "everything about this country."

The outspoken Harlem-born rapper is unapologetic about her feelings towards the United States, a country she demands reparations from.

"I hate everything about this country," she said in Playboy's annual April Sex & Music Issue in which she appears on the cover and in a frisky 10-page nude pictorial.

"I hate fat white Americans," Banks continued. "All the people who are crunched into the middle of America are these racist conservative white people who live on their farms. Those little teenage girls who work at Kmart and have a racist grandma — that's really America."

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/azealia-banks-hates-everyting-country-article-1.2152099



This attitude might not be particularly beneficial to the reparations movement.

[gollygee]

1. What does that have to do with reparations?

One young woman gets fed up and says she's angry and therefore African Americans shouldn't get reparations? Not sure what your point is here. Do all white people suffer when one young white person says something angry?

[philosslayer]

6. She's a prominent individual

And clearly has a soapbox. The reparations movement ultimately will require a broad consensus. Having her as a proponent certainly won't help change attitudes.

[gollygee]

12. She is 23 years old and a rap artist

she is not involved in the reparations movement, certainly not as an academic or public policy maker. One African American does not speak for all any more than one white person speaks for all white people.

[philosslayer]

31. Be that as it may...

Its about opinion and perception. And her attitude will not change anyone's opinion or perception for the better. Just sayin'

[gollygee]

32. So she should be superhuman and never get angry and never speak out of anger

because all African Americans will suffer if she does? Do white people suffer like this, when one white person speaks out of anger?

[philosslayer]

36. Clearly you haven't done much research on Ms. Banks

This isn't a matter of not speaking out of anger. This is the only way she ever speaks.

It would take superhuman effort to NOT say "I hate fat white Americans?" Your bar for superhuman effort is evidently quite low.

[gollygee]

38. Musicians have said outrageous things forever

That isn't new. Your linking it to reparations is odd.

[JaneyVee]

47. Seriously, it IS odd.

[Number23]

132. This new DU is a trip and a half, ain't it?

I swear not a week goes by with out a Hate a Negro thread. And it's usually over the stupidest, most inconsequential damn things.

This thread is no exception.

[msanthrope]

139. It's stunning, isn't it? Or maybe not. But it's DU. nt

[gollygee]

143. It isn't Beyonce' this time.

Yes, "Hate a Negro thread" is an apt description.

[Number23]

190. Or Kanye. Or Obama.

This time.

[MADem]

376. Hee hee...you hit the bullseye with that post! nt

[hopemountain]

246. agreed. it is odd.

the new gop tea haddhist agenda is to show how african americans and other people of color who have been targeted by white racists - are the racists. they just love stirring the pot and getting things all riled up because they just love the fire.

[Marrah_G]

119. So what if she does? Have you lived her experience?

Nice try at trying to trivialize racism by scream "omg, see? that black person said something racist" as if that has even a remote thing to do with the institutionalized racism that has permeated our society since slavery.

[The Green Manalishi]

400. Exactly

Notice how every discussion of the N-word, too, brings out the closeted racist(s) who say "But *they* use it in rap"

[malaise]

364. Just laugh - or scream

[alcibiades_mystery]

40. "...she is not involved in the reparations movement"

The thread just ended, for all reasonable purposes.



How long will the open race-baiting be allowed to continue?

[salin]

66. yep - yet the tone deaf party goes on

[yeoman6987]

301. I always wonder about those who hate the

United States so much stay and continue being miserable. From what I wnderstand, there are 130 countries out there. Perhaps another country might make her happier. Life is too short to be miserable and especially if you hate the country you live in.

[gollygee]

302. This is her country

she has every right to live here and hope for change, just like everyone else. She also has every right to complain.

[yeoman6987]

314. Most who want to change the country

Don't hate the country. She seems to hate everyone. Lol. Her thought on homosexuality are astonishing. For the record, she actually chose to live in America after leaving Austrailia.

[gollygee]

348. I think you are confusing her with

Iggy Azaelia, who is Australian. Azaelia Banks is American.

[mwrguy]

332. She said she'd leave eventually

to look for a country without racism.

[bravenak]

152. Hey, yo!

Typing B**** still means bitch. It's like typing out 'that n*****!'
You do get that right? It is still sexist as hell even if you type out B****. If somebody typed out Bravenak is a B**** it would still be sexist as hell. Just because you used asterisks... Does not change the intent.
Whats up with that? How many white ladies have you called a B**** on DU? Why do black women have to get the worst end of the sexism. Say whatever you want, but please leave out the bitches and shit.

[F4lconF16]

196. What the f***?

First, as was so kindly pointed out to you already, the asterisks don't change the word.

She's a loudmouthed corny no-skills wannabe rapper who's trying to say the most outrageous things her small mind can think of

Boom, nice start with the sexist language. "Loudmouthed" tells an uppity woman to be quiet. Then you insult her intelligence, because everyone knows that women have smaller brains and they're clearly unable to do anything but talk with their loud mouths. Bonus points for tossing in "get paid", cause everyone knows women just want the money, amiright?

Otherwise her ass wouldn't be posing nude in Playboy, where that dumbass quote is from.

Then you go to the real heart of the matter, which is that you think of her as nothing but tits and ass, no brain, no person there, despite the fact that she just threw some serious truth in your face about the brutal treatment of blacks in this country. You're dehumanizing a black woman like so many have been for literally centuries. Fuck that shit, man.

[cherokeeprogressive]

291. Prominent as a pimple.

[hobbit709]

2. she's free to leave at any time.

[KamaAina]

10. As Josephine Baker did long before her

[AverageJoe90]

217. Mme. Baker was one of the greatest artists and dancers of the modern era, IMHO.

She even helped with the Civil Rights Movement as well: http://www.biography.com/people/josephine-baker-9195959#racism-and-resistance

[rainbobryte]

427. Yes she did....

...and stood up to the Nazis during WW2, entertained ALL the the troops and after the war she and her husband adopted war orphans from many countries Axis and Allied as well as of many races. Madame Baker called them her "Rainbow Tribe". The world could use more people like her.

[840high]

326. ...^ that

[cwydro]

3. "I hate fat white Americans"

Skinny ones are ok?

[whathehell]

52. but not fat black Americans?

Oh well.

[cwydro]

61. And the white girls who

work at Wal-mart.

Reckon Target is acceptable?

[whathehell]

115. LOL.

I don't know, she sounds very specific.

[cwydro]

118. She certainly does.

Perhaps she does a lot of shopping at Wal-mart...

[progressoid]

74. I'm not fat, just out of shape.

But I am white and live in a farming state so...

[ProdigalJunkMail]

104. round... round is a shape. nt

[Borchkins]

353. I'm not fat

I'm just short for my weight. But I do live in one of those middle states, Fitzwalkerstan.
B

[DinahMoeHum]

4. Meanwhile she bares her "T and A" for Playboy and $$$

Last edited Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:32 PM - Edit history (1)

If that's not being a prostitute and a hypocrite, I don't know what is.

[cyberswede]

30. Huh?

Posing nude is not prostitution; and I'm pretty sure it's not just an American phenomenon, either.

[gollygee]

33. I am not seeing how posing nude for Playboy makes her a hypocrite re what she said

and I agree with the other responder that posing nude isn't prostitution, though that seems irrelevant.

[BubbaFett]

57. she hates white americans

but not white america's cash.

funny, that.

[bravenak]

154. They hate her first.

And any money she makes is not fucking charity from white America. When white people get money they earn it. When she makes money you think it's 'white america's cash'. Such fucking bullshit.

[prayin4rain]

160. I agree. Wtf?

[bravenak]

161. I'm still smh over 'White Anerica's Money'

I guess we still are the 'White Man's Burden'. Lol.

[prayin4rain]

162. It's ridiculous. I don't even get what that means!

Did white people get together and throw her a money parade that i didn't hear about? ?? Just. ..what? ? Ugh.

[bravenak]

163. Nothing a black person makes on their own is 'theirs'.

It was the goodness and charity if white people that 'gifted' her with that money. I see this all the time. I have been told that white people did us a favor by rescuing us from Africa and getting us away from those 'savages', and I should thank my lucky stars. And white people for their generous good nature. I always laugh so hard.

[prayin4rain]

169. Appalling ignorance and blatant racism.

I'm really at a loss for words. Kidnapped, enslaved, beaten and murdered is being RESCUED? I'm just at a loss.

[bravenak]

170. Don't feel bad. I heard it from a teacher.

I knew she was crazy.

[prayin4rain]

172. A teacher? ! ?

Geezus! I wish there was a way to wake people up all at once. Sharing perspective and experiences is the only way, I guess, it just seems like such a slow process. It's such a GD shame. I just don't get it.

[bravenak]

183. Well, she didn't last long.

Had a breakdown soon after. Blamed me. I swear some people are just like that. They'll wake up when there is NO majority. Everybody will have to work it out.

[prayin4rain]

192. Yikes. Well, yeah, trying to hold onto delusions like that

and generally being a hateful person can break a person down. Hopefully the breakdown led to an awakening.

[AverageJoe90]

205. I'm sorry you were treated that way.

Idiocy of that kind shouldn't be tolerated, no matter who it comes from.

[bravenak]

214. It's normal in America, Joe.

If you listen you will learn.

[blackspade]

395. What asshole says shit like that?

Black people were not fucking 'rescued!'
They were captured, brutalized, and sold as slaves to a bunch of asshole Christian racists.

The stupid hurts.

[bravenak]

396. It was my third grade teacher. No names.

Same one accused me of cheating on CTBS tests and made me retake them in the school office. Still rocked that shit!! She had a nervous breakdown after that one. Hated my black ass. First black students in the school were me and my sister. Hispanic names. Broke her mind that we were the smartest.
Heard it MANY times since then. Got into a fistfight over it once. America the Free!!

[blackspade]

398. That's insane.

I thought I heard it all, being from the South....apparently not.

People like that have no business teaching children.

[bravenak]

399. It was California.

That's how I know it's everywhere. Sad.

[daredtowork]

414. Thank you for this thread. nt

[Kalidurga]

5. I don't think this is going to go the way you thought it would.

As for Miss Banks, I can't really blame her the history of the treatment of POC in this country is atrocious and most of it was done by white people. However, her attitude is also wrong. Collective blame and punishment is just wrong well unless you actually have only the people who did the crime in the group you are blaming. That girl whose grandmother is a racist might have grown up to join marches for equality who knows? I surely don't know just based on her skin color.

[Bonx]

7. That's nice.

[Orsino]

8. I would also hate a country that forced me to pose nude for the gratification of others.

Or perhaps the photos were taken overseas.

[Orrex]

28. She was forced? What's your evidence for this claim?

[Orsino]

41. It's not a claim.

It merely points out that there are some things about the country that she doesn't hate all that much.

[Orrex]

42. Whoops--looks like I misread your intent!

[LanternWaste]

45. And Ferguson, MO no doubt, has some quaint antiquing spots to enjoy...

And Ferguson, MO no doubt, has some quaint antiquing spots to enjoy...

[whathehell]

55. Who "forced" her?

[magical thyme]

116. nobody. read between the lines...nt

[whathehell]

124. You read between the lines -- I read what's written.

[magical thyme]

127. it's called irony.

The poster realizes that nobody forced her. That is the poster's point.

[whathehell]

137. Yeah, I'm familiar with it..

and it was unrecognizable here.

[Dorian Gray]

269. No it wasn't

I assumed it was irony, and i was just skimming through the topic.

[whathehell]

279. Okay. nt

[Lancero]

9. Ah, I was wondering when someone would try and...

Provide a 'balance' to KamaAina's topics.

[Dr. Strange]

88. Why not?

Her homophobic comments come from her feminist perspective.

[Rex]

13. That's not true, she loves freedom of speech. She might not know it.

I bet she also loves money and popularity which go hand in hand with Americana. What she hates are republicans and conservatives. Seems she loves playboy.

"A frisky 10-page nude pictorial." Then again, maybe she was just looking to boost sales.

[RandiFan1290]

14. As much as it bothers you

The 1st Amendment applies to black women, too.

[NaturalHigh]

18. Did someone say it didn't?

That doesn't mean she can't be called out for saying something stupid.

[RandiFan1290]

20. Glad it bothers you

[NaturalHigh]

22. You're glad what bothers me?

[NCTraveler]

29. What does this have to do with the 1st amendment?

In any way at all. Even the slightest wiff of some type of 1A argument would be interesting. You have left me scratching my head.

[RandiFan1290]

34. Rush says, "Hi"

Trying to get him to read more of your DU posts on air trashing the president?

[NCTraveler]

39. Very interesting responses.

First a post that makes no sense. Followed by a post that has no relation to the topic. My question was very simple. You brought up the 1st amendment. What does it have to do with anything in the op? Now I have a second question. What does President Obama have to do with any of it?

[Xithras]

105. I love the First Amendment. It makes it easier for the idiots to identify themselves. n/t

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

113. You win the thread

Dave Duke has 1st amendment rights too. Fuck him and fuck Banks.

[nomorenomore08]

242. Seems like a rather over-the-top comparison.

A handful of stupid comments versus a lifetime of promoting white supremacy?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

327. WTF all you want

Sure it's over the top, but I have no tolerance for people who look down on others working "menial jobs" like their shit doesn't stink. In addition to her obvious homophobia.

[nomorenomore08]

359. That's more understandable, then. I agree the dig at Wal-Mart workers was in poor taste. n/t

[kelly1mm]

221. The 1st Amendment bars govenment action to punish speech. It does not in any way restrict others

from mocking stupid crap people say. Just look at all the threads on DU daily mocking R's for saying stupid crap.

So, what exactly is your point about the 1st amendment?

[Lochloosa]

15. From one Fat White American....

oh never mind. Not worth it. And this is last time I'll think about you or your feelings Ms. Banks.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. Who?

[demwing]

43. Exactly...

[cwydro]

165. I know...

I had to google her name lol.

[Phentex]

276. I had to google...

[NaturalHigh]

17. She wants reparations for what?

Slavery ended more than a century before she was even born. Obviously nothing is holding her back, as she is free to make money posing nude and peddling her alleged "music."

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. "she is free to make money posing nude and peddling her alleged 'music.'"

I wonder if she takes payment in US currency?

[F4lconF16]

199. "Nothing is holding her back"

Yup, no racism here, folks, doesn't happen anymore. C'mon, black people, get your shit together already, it's only been 150 years since slavery. And clearly black women have it easy, they can just sell themselves.

Yuck. Racism.

[NaturalHigh]

264. What part of my post was incorrect?

"Slavery ended more than a century before she was even born. Obviously nothing is holding her back, as she is free to make money posing nude and peddling her alleged "music."

[truebluegreen]

405. The part about "...obviously nothing is holding her back...."

Yup, we totally live in a post-racial society, where blacks face NO impediments to advancement.

[upaloopa]

19. I have come to a basis for reparations.

Wealth gained by the employment of slaves was not rightly earned since the labor was not paid for.
Total wages not paid plus a profit percentage calculated on that amount plus accrued interest could be the basis of reparations.
I don't know who is holding that unearned wealth today or who to pay it to. If your ancestors came to America after the end of slavery you would not have had that wealth handed down. And if your ancestors were not slaves then you would not of had that grievance in your heritage.
Also when could we say the claim for reparations has ended with the payments being made?
And what form of payment would work as a reparation? What about future generations?

[Coventina]

26. You bring up some good points. My paternal grandmother's family had a plantation in the South

with many slaves.

They lost all of it in the war, and have been poor ever since.

All of their ill-gotten gains are no longer in their hands. (Which is fine by me).

I don't know where all the accumulated wealth went. I just know their descendants don't have it.

[ND-Dem]

145. There are plenty of families who kept theirs. Not necessarily planters' families, but that

wasn't the only way to make money off slavery; probably not the most efficient way, actually.

The financiers and traders seem to have done better, as they often do.

The Bushes, for example, have profited from slavery through multiple family lines. As well as having a few abolitionists in the mix. (The abolitionists are the ones they like to talk about)

[gollygee]

27. The United States as a nation gained wealth due to slavery

And the United States as a nation kept wealth from African Americans through a large numbers of racist policies for a large number of years.

It isn't about individual people but the nation as a whole.

[philosslayer]

51. You're correct

As odd as it sounds, reparations would actually be paid partially by wealthy African-Americans, as they would serve as part of the tax base that would be used to fund reparations for others.

[kwassa]

128. There is still your false construct about reparations. No connection with this rapper.

So, this is your peculiar agenda.

[upaloopa]

83. The nation is the people. I agree privilege and

discrimination play a roll here

[gollygee]

86. Yes, but the nation collectively, not individual people who owned slaves, and not

ONLY people who owned slaves, and not only their decendants have profitted from ongoing racism.

[ND-Dem]

149. There are some individual people who profited a whole truckload and their descendants have

continued to profit because of it.

And they weren't all slave owners either. There were many ways to profit from slavery. A lot of the planters were in debt to their eyeballs, for that matter.

[NCTraveler]

69. African Americans have suffered the cost of slavery up to present day.

Institutionalized racism has been on the book since slavery. I don't think the direct link you have outlined should be necessary. I appreciate your post and willingness to put your thoughts out there on this topic. I think some people often forget how young this country really is.

[upaloopa]

87. It is part of the discussion we need to have.

Stating the reasons for reparations gets at a lot of hidden facts and history. As a white male there is a lot I have learned since the death of Michael Brown.

[eridani]

193. I say start reparations from the New Deal onward

Minorities were deliberately left out of Social Security and other programs--otherwise FDR would never have gotten the southern representatives to go along. This could even be race-neutral--if you didn't get SocSec or unemployment because you were a maid or a farmworker, you get reparations, regardless of color. The majority of such reparations would of course go to people of color.

[upaloopa]

317. What about past and future generations?

Do we make reparations to those living now and that covers both past and future generations?

[eridani]

367. Whites have housing wealth and people of color mostly don't

This was because New Deal policies excluded them so they didn't have the access to home ownership or support of parents in their old age. Public records exist to verify who lost out, unlike the case with slavery.

[truebluegreen]

407. And ^^this^^

[truebluegreen]

406. ^^this^^

[bravenak]

21. I hate lots of things about America too.

Like the music Industry. And racists too. And people with big ass mouths. And people who act like 1 person represnts all black people and use their words as a broad brush to harm the rest of us by indicating we don't deserve respect or redress for the wrongs done us. And when a large group of white people sit around and discuss black people behind their backs without any input an pat them selves on the back and decide that blacks are the real racists in this anti black nation. I hate more stuff too.

[gollygee]

23. .

Don't know if there's a better response than what you came up with.

[lovemydog]

158. +1

[F4lconF16]

200. +1

Nailed it.

[nomorenomore08]

243. I hate a lot of the same things too. And God forbid I ever sound less-than-eloquent in expressing

my opinions on the topic...

[BklnDem75]

288. +1000

[Egnever]

324. Hmm

So Not all black people then?

[ProfessorGAC]

388. Kudos Bravenak!

A cogent response to a topic that barely deserves such.

[yuiyoshida]

397. wow!

+1

[Matariki]

421. great post Bravenak

[bravenak]

422. Thanks.

I love this thread. This is where we lost poor AverageJoe90, I think.

[Iggo]

24. I feel the same way about her as I do about white people who hate black people.

[nomorenomore08]

245. Not quite, but close enough. I don't think anyone's really arguing in her favor here.

Just rejecting the OP's insinuation that she speaks for all of black America.

[NCTraveler]

25. What an ugly and ignorant person. To the core. nt.

[LuvNewcastle]

239. I agree.

She is on my real life ignore list. Glad she outed herself so I won't waste my time listening to her again.

[lpbk2713]

35. What about the little Asian and Latina girls who work at Kmart?

I wonder how she pigeon holes their grannies?

[GliderGuider]

44. IANAR

"I Am Not A Rapper" but I can sort of see her point.

[AverageJoe90]

178. So speaketh DU's Resident Climate Doomsday Prophet.

Hello, GG. Can you tell me what points you think she made and why?

[nruthie]

46. Speaking as an old white woman...

I have to agree with her assessment.

[BeyondGeography]

48. Blared butt-first from the cover of Playboy magazine while wearing a leopard teddy

This kid is as American as apple pie. She belongs here.

[bravenak]

54. So true. She is sooo American.

Loud, capatalist, and loving some attention.

[Marr]

49. Getting attention is her business.

Just one more untalented hack who will do anything to make cameras swivel her direction. She's also made gay bashing remarks on social media. She'll do anything for attention.

[ileus]

53. But she loves their money...

[bravenak]

56. She loves her money and wants theirs.

She is a capatalist and this gets her attention. And more money. Nobody noticed her until she started saying loud rude stuff. Now, she actually IS famous. Kids eat this stuff up and their parents cringe and know their money will go to pay for stuff she sells through their kids. She IS America. Poor girl don't even realize it. Or maybe she does.

[Oktober]

58. The reparations movement isn't good for the reparations movement...

[WorseBeforeBetter]

59. No farms, no food, Iggy.

Oh, wait, Iggy is another loud-mouthed rap "artist."

Guess Banks isn't bothered by all those fat white Americans slobbering all over her pictorial. Not when the price is right...

[Maedhros]

79. Putting scare quotes around "artist" because they perform rap music

is pretty condescending. You may not be into it, but it is art.

[nomorenomore08]

247. Yeah, I hate that too.

Especially when there's good hip-hop out there, albeit not much that you'll hear on mainstream radio.

[Maedhros]

321. In my personal experience, sneering at rap is dog-whistle for sneering at black people.

I've no tolerance for it.

[MelungeonWoman]

97. If there's anything Azealia Banks hates more than fat white farm girls...

It's Iggy Azalea. Don't even go there.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

126. DU's already done Azealia v. Iggy.

Wasn't quite Olive Garden epic, but it had its moments.

[NaturalHigh]

298. That was the first time I had heard of either of them.

I'm grateful for those threads because they introduced me to Iggy Azalea.

[Solly Mack]

60. So?

The OP reminds me of those threads where one poster attempts to chastise another poster by claiming their behavior is making "all of us" look bad.

[MrMickeysMom]

428. Agreed...

Honestly… What a high and mighty piece of poo this OP has flung from their tiny world.

[hifiguy]

62. You shouldn't.

You live in one of the few places where any no-talent can become rich and famous, or had that irony escaped you.

[melman]

63. I don't really care what this homophobic jerk has to say about anything

[VScott]

64. Sounds like she was seriuos mental health issues

AZEALIA BANKS ✔ @AZEALIABANKS
I wonder where the descendants of the "DeWolf" family are today. they should all have their houses burned and their finances seized.
1:53 PM - 26 Dec 2014

AZEALIA BANKS @AZEALIABANKS · 2h 2 hours ago

We need to get our money. Fuck all this other shit.

AZEALIA BANKS @AZEALIABANKS · 22h 22 hours ago

AMERICA OWES BLACKS OVER 100 TRILLION DOLLARS.

AZEALIA BANKS @AZEALIABANKS · 23h 23 hours ago

ITS MY MONEY, AND I WANT IT NOWWWWW!!!!!!

http://www.justjared.com/2014/12/26/azealia-banks-wants-to-track-down-descendants-of-slave-traders-make-them-pay-reparations/

"someone should kick your ass, and punch you right in your stupid smiling cracker face."

Looks like she also has a problem communicating with others...

Banks has also had minor online spats with Kreayshawn, Dominique Young Unique, Lil' Kim, Nicki Minaj, Jim Jones, Angel Haze, Baauer, Diplo, Rita Ora, ASAP Rocky, Lily Allen, Lady Gaga, Pharrell, Action Bronson, Lupe Fiasco, and Perez Hilton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azealia_Banks#Other

Mitchell Sunderland

Mitchell Sunderland, blogger and Vice associate editor, wrote a piece titled "My Bizarre Twitter Beef with Azealia Banks and Her Homophobia." In response to the piece, Banks tweeted at Sunderland, "do you know that your mother pushed you out of a pussy?" The two engaged in a heated exchange and traded barbs over a period of days, with Banks stating, "and even if i am a homophobe… so wat? i still make more $ than you.. still have an extra hole.. and still own everything."[83][84] In response, Queerty posted an article titled "Azealia Banks Says She’s Too Rich To Care If You Think She’s A Homophobe".[85]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azealia_Banks#Mitchell_Sunderland

She's also very fond of the "C" word, but brushes it off because for her, it means something entirely else.

[EX500rider]

70. "AMERICA OWES BLACKS OVER 100 TRILLION DOLLARS."

Does she know the entire world economy is only about 77 trillion dollars a year?
With the US portion only about 17 trillion?

[snooper2]

71. maybe she is just a fucking asshole?

[hifiguy]

72. Magic 8-Ball sez

DEFINITELY.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

75. My, what a classy young lady.

Just Googled the lyrics to "P-U-S-S-Y." Delightful! A true lyrical genius!

[sibelian]

111. Same as this one? Um, er NSFW. Like, at all.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

125. LOL... what the hell was THAT?!

Christ, I'm heading back over to the Irish music thread.

[NaturalHigh]

81. Yeah...she's an idiot.

[prayin4rain]

91. Yeah, looks like an Amanda Bynes situation. Sad. n/t

[romanic]

255. Not mentally ill

Just a loudmouth attention seeking troll who pissed away her talent for shock value. Sad cause her music shows promise but her online antics killed off her credibility and scorched away her fan base.

[Blue_Tires]

65. Oh, right...

Evidently the U.S. Gov't was *THIS* close to giving us our reparations until Banks said something and fucked the whole deal up

[Starry Messenger]

67. You sound fragile.

I guess we can lay all of the things Bill O'Reilly says at your feet? Since he speaks for all white males?

[Starry Messenger]

141. Years of experience here.

[Starry Messenger]

171. To be nonwhite here is a demographic outlier

You have stats to the contrary feel free to post them.

Racist concern-trolling is very very seldom performed by non white males here.

After 10 years here and numerous polls on demographics here, and seeing lots of racist bastards banned here, I'll stack up my observations against a pissy eyeroll.

[Starry Messenger]

238. *snort*

Funny what gets people's shorts in a twist.

[freshwest]

417. A fate worse than death, having to answer for that demagogue!

And I don't find what the lady in question said that was so offensive, nor what it has to do with reparations.

'If you want peace, work for justice.' Maybe some mindsets are in a perpetual war zone, eagerly searching their fellows to see who they can clamber on top of to get ahead. That is the pettiness and hatred which disgusts me most about this country, the refusal to admit that we are all vulnerable to loss by criminal enterprises.

Then letting them get away with it and respecting them because they have money and power. It's not just the USA, sad to say. People gravitate towards energies, good and bad ones, constructive and destructive ones.

The plantation order never left this country. It's existed as a parallel social order from before the Constitution was ratified. At times it was forced to be underground, at other time it's been overt. But it's always there in every nation. And places that have devolved from being nations, as well.

[Capt. Obvious]

68. Has Hillary Clinton said anything about this?

She needs an Azealia Banks Moment.

[Dr. Strange]

90. Not exactly.

Hillary just came out and condemned Sister Souljah for the interview.

[Capt. Obvious]

93. Close enough

If you reversed black and white and fat and skinny you'd have thought that an SAE frat member was giving that speech.

[Dr. Strange]

110. Maybe so...

but I think Hillary was out of line asking for Sister Souljah to be expelled from OU.

[lumberjack_jeff]

73. Sex sells. Outrageousness sells. Controversy sells.

Welcome to America! You're doing it right!

[AverageJoe90]

89. Sad, but damn true.

It explains, at least in part, why Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, and all those other RWNJ pundits are still broadcasting even today, and the existence of FOX News, et cetera.....or, on the left, why folks like Brittney Cooper still get to slam white people on Salon(or Chauncey De Vega on Daily Kos, or Ta-Nehisi Coates from The Atlantic, etc.), and Anita Sarkeesian still makes Feminist Frequency videos, etc.; one could say that it's practically a national flaw.

[Fumesucker]

166. The only one of those I recognize is Coates and I agree quite a bit with him...

I certainly haven't read all his stuff but Coates seems pretty sharp to me and I don't get the impression he slams all whites.

[kwassa]

297. Are you really a progressive? I don't think so.

why folks like Brittney Cooper still get to slam white people on Salon(or Chauncey De Vega on Daily Kos, or Ta-Nehisi Coates from The Atlantic, etc.), and Anita Sarkeesian still makes Feminist Frequency videos, etc.; one could say that it's practically a national flaw.

These are highly respected commentators on race. If you have a problem with them .....

[Starry Messenger]

334. He's named checked Mikki Kendell on this thread and in the past too.

I'd dearly love to find wherever it was on twitter (or elsewhere, but she'e usually on twitter) she took him to the woodshed.
It must have been *awesome* to behold. If I ever find that I will screencap it and have in framed in gold.

[NaturalHigh]

98. I originally read this and thought of Iggy Azalea.

She's from Australia, so I thought maybe she's having trouble adjusting or something. Then I realized it was this crazy woman.

I think she did a twitter feud with Iggy Azalea or something a while back, though. I don't remember much about it except that A) Iggy moved to the U.S. from Australia when she was sixteen to begin her rap career, and B) she's smoking hot. Pretty impressive, but I still didn't care much for her music. I haven't moved on much since Kurt Cobain died.

[lumberjack_jeff]

99. I thought of Eddie Izzard... fun with word association! n/t

[NaturalHigh]

101. Seriously dude?

I don't think I even want to know how you made that leap!

[lumberjack_jeff]

102. I guess it's the "Z"

Kind of a unique feature in modern names

[hifiguy]

103. I think it's all those Zs.

[NaturalHigh]

106. That's what he said. All about the Zs.

[Lizzie Poppet]

313. Exactly. She's a talentless, abrasive simpleton desperate to extend her 15 minutes of fame.

Protip, Azealia: you're never getting one red cent of reparations. Deal with it.

[Romeo.lima333]

344. only if you pay attention to it

[lumberjack_jeff]

345. I dunno. Before this thread, I had no idea who she was, or in fact any reason to know.

After dozens of clicks to DU, several clicks to Huffington Post, several clicks to youtube, I now know... and she probably got some small piece of that click revenue.

[Romeo.lima333]

351. i know of her only b/c there was an ad on du promoting a cd (i guess) never looked her up

anywhere

[geek tragedy]

77. stupid celebrity says something stupid. nt

[AverageJoe90]

78. Honestly, I think a good bit of this.....

might have been openly said just to get attention, though I don't doubt she's got some genuine issues(she allegedly punched a teacher when she was 3, mind you).

This attitude might not be particularly beneficial to the reparations movement.

Same thing goes for Social Justice, too: the movement already has enough problematic spokespeople, self-appointed or otherwise, to deal with as it is.

[Bluenorthwest]

80. I am only aware of her regular slur laced attacks on gay men.

For me, once someone calls another person a fa***t' in public a few times, their opinion about the sins of others lose a bit of merit. All I know is that she exploits hate speech and slurs to enrich herself, she has the same job as Rush.
I understand that Straight People think it is acceptable to be a gay hating slur slinger, but it's really not.

[cwydro]

136. ...

[Bluenorthwest]

84. Deleting a double post glitch

[AverageJoe90]

85. Happened to me, too.

Weird, huh?

[LibertyLover]

94. And what country are you making most of your money from Azealia?

Yeah, that would probably be America. You might just want to dial it back a little. just sayin'.

[PragmaticLiberal]

95. Shocker....

What (or who) doesn't Azealia Banks hate?

[hunter]

96. For sure, fat white RACIST Americans are damned ugly.

Reflecting their hate back at them is not unreasonable.

But I'd say it's the racism, not the fat.

Beyond that, I'd like to live in a world where nudity was so unremarkable that nobody could sell it.

[Adrahil]

107. As far as I can tell, she didn;t make any such distinctions.

I consider her comments in very poor taste at the very least.

[hunter]

108. I figure that was implicit in her comment.

"Poor taste" is a negligible sin compared to fat white racism.

[AverageJoe90]

206. If that was what she was trying to imply, she did a damn poor job of it, sadly.

However, though, I'll try to give her the benefit of the doubt: maybe she'll apologize and try to clarify what she meant.

[kiva]

100. Perhaps if she makes enough money from Playboy

she can travel around and find somewhere she'd rather live.

[aikoaiko]

109. I thought she was from Down Under?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

114. That's Iggy Azalia

And I barely know her either. I know she did a song with JLo shaking their butts.

[NaturalHigh]

349. Thank you for posting that.

I just went and watched it on Youtube.

[nomorenomore08]

249. I really doubt she's ever eaten a Vegemite sandwich...

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

112. Nice to see the privileged Ms. Banks shit on "little girls working at KMart"

Fuck her. Why is she even going into KMart, wouldn't the soles of her shoes be soiled?

[AverageJoe90]

176. Not to mention that, as someone else pointed out.....

There are African-Americans and Latinas who work at places like K-Mart, too, whether as college students, or trying to feed their families, etc.; that was just one more half-baked comment of hers.

[Marrah_G]

120. And this thread is filled with a very disturbing amount of misogony and veiled racism.

And by veiled racism, I mean the type that tries to equate a 23 year old young woman's angry words to a history of oppression that continues today. It's the same as type who post "omg white people get killed by the police too".

[gollygee]

123. +1

Disturbing thread.

[kwassa]

129. The racism isn't veiled. Please notice the individuals posting these OPs.

They do it over and over again. It is a pattern.

[Number23]

134. And the folks either yukking it up or avoiding them like the plague (but never, EVER condemning

threads like this) have a very obvious and distinctive pattern as well.

[kwassa]

135. Many who respond accept the false premise in the OP without examination.

They don't stop to think WHY is this person posting this and attempting to link this to reparations?

[pinboy3niner]

232. +1

[MADem]

377. There it is.

These comments didn't come out of the blue--they're coming from personal history.

The only way to know would be to ask.

[NaturalHigh]

325. So anyone who doesn't condemn this thread is racist or something?

Are you actually trying to guilt people into just jumping in and agreeing with your point of view? Now it's not enough for everyone just to stay out of the fray; they need to get right in there and be a part of the echo chamber.

Strange days indeed.

[AverageJoe90]

173. What racism? Where?

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

[U4ikLefty]

188. The mirror nt

[pinboy3niner]

231. I guessed who posted the question before seeing the username

[nomorenomore08]

250. You can start with the assumption (implicit or otherwise) that Ms. Banks speaks for anyone

but her own ridiculous self.

[Oktober]

208. Is that the new standard you are going for?

A non white woman can spew whatever racist bile she pleases but calling her out on it is actually racist?

Hilarious....

[Marrah_G]

219. ask yourself WHY it is being posted

Are so many white people being oppressed that the words of one angry young woman deserves a post on DU? Or do you think maybe this is being posted in response to the enormous amount of racist shit with a spotlight being shined on it lately?

This is no different then post about a white man being killed by the police during the time the Ferguson protests are going on.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

292. "WHY it is being posted"

For the same reason RWer racism and homophobia gets posted -- it's racist and homophobic and turning a blind eye never makes it better.

If the implication that calling out Ms. Banks' racism and homophobia isn't about seeking real social change but just penalizing someone from The Other Group then suddenly calling out RWer doesn't so much seem like in exercise in calling bad things bad so much as a cynical manipulation.

WHY is it being demanded that Ms. Banks' homophobia and racism be swept under the rug?

[kwassa]

295. You are wrong. All you have to do is to look at the name of the poster.

Look at the OPs they start. Then, their agenda will be revealed to you. A pattern appears.

and that agenda is "Black People Can Be Racist, Too!".

[Nuclear Unicorn]

316. "that agenda is 'Black People Can Be Racist, Too!'"

Ms. Banks seems to agree with them.

[nomorenomore08]

251. Calling her out isn't racist. But the misdirection employed by some posters, arguably is.

[myrna minx]

379. It's horrible and disgusting but I have to say I'm sadly not surprised.

[Shoulders of Giants]

121. As a fat white american in the middle of country...

Its a stupid thing to say, but it's gonna take more than that to offend me. I've heard worse.

I didn't choose to be born in the Midwest, and I may have chosen somewhere else if I had a choice.I'm fat because I impulse eat due to stress. I have no other vices such as drinking smoking, gambling, etc, so its eating for me. But fat != racist. It means I lack self control, but I'm aware of it. I know its my own damn fault I'm fat, but I can't be perfect. Working at Kmart != racist. It generally means someone is living poverty actually and doesn't need to insulted by some idiot.


What Azealia said is pure racism and an insult to a huge group of people. She seems to have a small mind. As a result, if she was born a white person "crunched into the middle of America" she'd probably grow up to be the very stereotype she is describing.

[Trillo]

122. There are a lot of areas in which the United States could be improved.

Seriously improved. Hopefully Ferguson acted to show us how a city could be turned into a prison without walls. How LGBT people have been treated, particularly by Christians, could be vastly improved. How kids in America are treated in general, like little ants to be stepped on and nearly exterminated, could be improved. How our media puts airbrushed stars on front page spreads for reasonably good pay while ignoring the plight of average working people making minimum wage, could be improved. How our economic system says you too can be an Horatio Alger, just keep working and you'll make it into the upper 1%, could be improved, since it's not the truth. There is a great deal of deception in our media and our economic system that have perpetrated great injustices for quite a long time.

All of that said, I don't know you, don't watch TV, nor ever particularly cared for rap music, so if it's all the same to you, I think I'll take a pass on hopping out to the local convenience store to buy the latest issue of Playboy. You probably have a considerable number of fans who would would like nothing more than seeing you, their heart-throb, naked.

[AverageJoe90]

187. "There are a lot of areas in which the United States could be improved." That's true.

But let's not forget the past progress made possible by people like MLK, Frederick Douglass, Susan B. Anthony, etc., to make this country a better place.....and there are future leaders waiting for us today.

[F4lconF16]

202. All three of those would politely tell you to shove it.

Your constant tone trolling of blacks and women in this thread and others is telling. Your constant worries about the poor persecuted white people is pathetically see-through.

You don't get to claim them, they would not support the shit that you say. You don't get to take their history for your own. Your cause is not their cause.

[AverageJoe90]

213. I'm sorry you feel that way. nt

[nomorenomore08]

252. I think a dose of humility is never a bad thing. Especially when you're not the one

primarily affected.

[SomethingFishy]

130. Well, I hope she gets the press she was looking for...

I know it's tough to get noticed these days.

[kwassa]

133. So, this is your second dishonest racial call-out thread.

There may have been others that I haven't seen, but this is certainly one.

You attempt to attack the idea of reparations with someone who never said a word about it.

How dishonest.

Your first dishonest one was this one:

Parents upset 'Black Lives Matter' assembly excludes other races

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6327065

which completely misrepresented the facts of what the principal was trying to do.

You are developing a pattern, here.

[philosslayer]

138. I posted a direct headline from the Chicago Tribune

Your beef is with their editorial staff, not me

[kwassa]

142. No, my beef is with you. You chose to post it. This is about you.

[philosslayer]

147. You found the article offensive?

Interesting. It went into the General Discussion section. And generated much discussion. As is the purpose. And I don't believe anyone found that offensive except for you.

[kwassa]

150. You posted the OP and then ran away, apparently.

You contributed nothing more to the thread after that.

If you thought that only I found the thread offensive, you didn't read it.

Here, give it a read:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6327065

[bravenak]

155. I found you thinking that one black person saying something is why there are no reparations.

It's stupid as fuck. Sorry for you.

[philosslayer]

157. If thats all you got out of it...

Then your reading comprehension skills need some work.

[bravenak]

159. Honey, my IQ is quite high.

I can read just fine. Not my fault your post was stupid.

[Brother Buzz]

140. Azealia Banks never said a word about reparations?

Quote from the Playboy interview:

<snip>

"Y’all motherf**ers still owe me reparations!" she added. "That’s why it’s still about race. Really, the generational effects of Jim Crow and poverty linger on. As long as I have my money, I’m getting the f**k out of here and I’m gonna leave y’all to your own devices.

"Black people need reparations for building this country, and we deserve way more f**king credit and respect."

<more>


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/azealia-banks-poses-nude-for-playboy-talks-about-reparations/ar-AA9TdWW

[kwassa]

144. OK, it is about reparations.

She clearly has anger issues ... and perhaps some mental health issues.

but she is also right. The generational effects of Jim Crow and poverty linger on. And, black people deserve way more credit and respect.

[gollygee]

146. I wonder what makes people more angry

Her complaining about fat white people, her saying she hates America, or her saying African Americans deserve reparations. I have a guess.

She does sound confrontational and she might very well be unpleasant (I haven't met her but I read earlier in the thread that she uses homophobic slurs) but this hate thread isn't about homophobic slurs and doesn't make sense, and the "this won't help the reparations movement" statement is ridiculous. She is no spokesperson for all African Americans or the reparations movement. She's a 23-year-old musician, and musicians are famous for saying outrageous things.

And whenever an African American woman is characterized as an "angry black woman" like this, I wonder how much is her, and how much is stereotyping. You interview someone for a good long time, and ask questions you know will upset her, and you will get some interesting quotes, particularly if she's immature (early 20s) and hasn't learned to be careful with what she says. If she's throwing homophobic slurs around, then she deserves to be called out for that, but she doesn't deserve the vitrtiol for saying, correctly, that people of color have been treated horribly.

[kwassa]

151. "Black people can be racist, too!"

That is the subtext of these OPs. They are posted in reactions to recent news about white racism against blacks. It is a pattern on DU.

Azealia Banks doesn't represent anyone else but herself.

This isn't really recent news. Her complaints about Iggy Azalea came out weeks ago.

[nomorenomore08]

254. It's False Equivalency 101. People are being either naive or disingenuous, maybe both. n/t

[hfojvt]

300. many people seem to think so

but that looks like paranoia to me.

It's a current story because of the Playboy interview.

People discuss current stories, and re-post them.

The odd thing is how we seem to split here. Some are not as interested in objecting to what she said as they are in attacking others for daring to object to what she said.

[WillowTree]

148. Wonder why she stays in this horrible place.......

.......where someone with no discernible talent can achieve fame and gobs of money and where there aren't consequences for speaking out against that place.

Yeah. I can see why she hates it here so much.

[bravenak]

153. Hating on black people seems like a fun pastime for so many here on DU.

Y'all say the nastiest shit about any black person in the media that you possibly can but rush to defend racist people like IGGY from black people. You guys are just as bad as the other side when it comes to stuff like this.
I remember telling y'all that calling folks Aunt Jemima and Uncle Tom was racist. Now I'll tell you this.
You guys pile the fuck on any black person you can in such a way that you rarely do to white people. It's automatic. I see it all the time.
White kids talk about hanging N******? Somebody has to start a thread about a black man being violent at the same school and demanding more punihsments for him since the white kids got expelled.
IGGY AZALEA says some super racist shit? You all pile on Azalea Banks and say black people are being racist against Iggy just because she is white. No research. Just AUTOMATIC. Like drones. Don't even realize that IGGY called herself 'The Runaway Slave Master", and thats how she lost her black friends. Lost her mexican fans by saying "Mexicans have that box body on lock" that means she hates the bodies of mexican women and stereotypes them as all the same. Lost her asian friends by making fun of the speaking abilities of an asian woman on the plane. What does DU do? Bash the black woman forever.

You all are a trip. I won't be around much longer, don't trip. You can keep DU all white and all to yourselves. I'm tired of watching a group of white liberals go out of their way to bash black people constantly in ways that smack of ignorance and bigotry. I'll check in from time to time to post. But you all need a come to Jesus moment, Amen.

[AverageJoe90]

174. You gotta be fuckin' joking me. Really?

Well, this.....this reply you just wrote is so fucking idiotic on so many levels(not to mention false), that it honestly makes me wonder if you had some sort of agenda in mind.

But I will say this-if you're going to keep slandering white DUers, and white liberals(yes, I know damn well you don't mean just a few!), just because of a few trolls or some other people who don't agree with, then perhaps this isn't the place for you-you can go take that racist(it sure as hell reads that way, if not worse!) bullshit elsewhere, to Discussionist, or Gradient Lair, or wherever the hell you feel like going. But the rest of us, whether we be white or not, are collectively putting our feet down. Enough is enough of the constant extreme SJW bullshit, we don't care who it comes from or why.

[prayin4rain]

177. What? We're putting our collective foot down? Are you serious?

I appreciate this poster sharing their perspective, whether you like it or not. Enough is enough with your aggressive language.

[AverageJoe90]

181. You bet your rear end I'm serious.

I hate to break this to you, but she's had problems with this kinda thing before, and so have a certain few other trollish troublemakers around here(slamming DU in general, claiming that this place is chock full of racists, and so forth).

Maybe you haven't been around all that much(Only 1,200 posts in a decade?), but I can personally tell you for a fact that I have seen a LOT of this type of shit in general over the past year and a half(and have sometimes taken a lot of flak for rightly calling it out!), and it's quite frankly fucking embarrassing.

And I'm sorry if my language comes across as a tad harsh, but not only have I myself had to put up with a lot of bullshit(up to and including alert stalking, and even occasional false accusations of bigotry, etc.), but I've also seen other good people have mud thrown at them, and, moreover, that SJW nuttery as a whole, has come to hurt the activist left in general these past couple of years.

[prayin4rain]

194. Well, you were authoritarian and rude. I think there

should be more people on the left speaking out against the more subtle racist and sexist things that go on in our society. I don't consider that to be SJW nuttery. I guess I'm a SJW type person myself and I wish there were more people who were too.

[AverageJoe90]

203. I see what you're saying, but that wasn't what this was about.

Sadly, this was indeed a slam on DU, and white liberals in general.

I guess I'm a SJW type person myself and I wish there were more people who were too.

To be honest with you, though, there's a difference between a Social Justice Warrior and a Social Justice Advocate; I am the latter. And I'll even come out and say that I don't believe *all* SJWs are jerks, etc.

The problem is, a good number of the former *do* have that problem. I don't know anything about you, yourself, so I won't try to judge you. But if you could step in my shoes for just a moment, you might be able to get a better, somewhat more nuanced perspective.

[nomorenomore08]

256. A social justice advocate should have better things to do than telling people of color

what to think and how to act.

[pinboy3niner]

262. His "steppin my shoes" remark made me laugh out loud

That was funny on multiple levels.

[betsuni]

284. Yes!

"If you could step in my shoes for just a moment, you might be able to get a better, somewhat more nuanced perspective." This is fabulous, some sort of weird art form. I also like how White Fang loses his temper and gets angry and shows his ugly true personality, then dials it back, tries to be nice and reasonable again.

[bravenak]

289. +1

[kwassa]

294. White Fang. I like it.

Reminds me of Soupy Sales.

[gollygee]

273. How many times has she had a forced vacation

and how many times have you? Maybe she isn't the problem.

[seaglass]

310. You are fucking embarassing. It is a fucking embarassment to DU and the Admins that no matter how

many times your posts are hidden and you get put on time out for your racist and sexist bullshit, they always let you back. You NEVER EVER learn a damn thing from your time outs. Seriously dude I SEE YOU, many on DU SEE YOU it is only the Admins who either don't see you or just don't give a shit about this place any more.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

375. AGAIN, ALERT to ADMINS...

Not only is he one of only 3 banned from the AA group,
he was the first banned by Environ&Energy (for his climate-change-isn't-really-all- that-bad posts)... I know all alerts "are seen" by Admins, but
I'm convinced the straight-to-admins alert (on a post already alerted-on or one older than 24 hours) has a special ring to it...

[cyberswede]

385. He can't reply to you...

ever again.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=272790&sub=trans

[Bobbie Jo]

386. The official dealing with this guy

is LONG overdue.

TBH, I've never seen anything like it.

Tone. Deaf.

[bravenak]

180. I am laughing at you so hard Joe.

SJW? Lol! You know where you can put your poor me drama...
Poor joe! The SJW's are saying things that are true! Poor Joe.
It ain't no few trools you blind blind man. You have a lack of ability to see what the hell is going on around you. You live in a privilege bubble. You try to tell black people what 'real racism' is. Feminists what 'real sexism' is. You hate social justice. Why the hell would you think I woukd take any thing you say seriously is totally beyond me. It's like talking to a kid. In high school who thinks he knows everything about life and the experiences of others who he does not know. You need to click it down and miss me with your faux outrage bullshit. Bye Joe.

[AverageJoe90]

186. This reply is so full of inaccuracies, it's literally mind-boggling.

But I can't say I'm surprised: you've built such a huge bubble of misconceptions, personal grudges, etc. around yourself that you can't see the forest for the trees, as it were, nearly as well as you think you can, and this is a perfect example; the fact that you actually believe that I hate Social Justice as a whole might be almost hilarious, if it weren't a little sad. You are *that* out of touch.

I still hope that maybe you'll come to your senses and become a little more levelheaded, but that's all up to you. I'm just a messenger.....

[F4lconF16]

212. You need to be banned.

This site is disgusting at times. Wish something would be fixed. Tired of seeing people I like and respect and had the privilege of learning from harassed off this site through a constant barrage of racism and mysogyny; some overt, and some like yours, thinly-veiled and just barely under the line, directed in a steam of posts designed to minimize and distract and wear upon people, post after post.

Worst part is? I don't think you're a troll. I think you're a real human being that actually believes the racist, sexist smoke and mirrors bullshit that you leave sitting on this site.

[AverageJoe90]

215. I'm sorry to say that you've got it all wrong.

I don't think you're a troll.

I don't think you are, either. Honestly, you are really just uninformed concerning me, that's all. And truthfully, I've been guilty of the same thing myself from time to time.

If you could hang around me a little more, you would get to know me better, at least, I would hope.

[NaturalHigh]

280. "You need to be banned."

Ironic that you worry about someone being "harassed off this site" but think that someone who disagrees with you should be banned. So much for discussion, I guess.

[kwassa]

299. AverageJoe90 continually inserts himself in race threads, without expertise.

Over and over and over and over. He was put on mandatory vacation for awhile. Speaking of posters with patterns, his has worn holes in the ground.

He is clearly not a progressive, judging by the commentators on race that he slams.

He also places people on ignore who challenge his views, as he doesn't know enough to debate them.

[NaturalHigh]

304. What qualifies as "expertise" in a thread about race?

[kwassa]

305. Deep knowledge of the issues.

Willingness to listen to and accept the life experience of racism that the people of color on DU, rather than thinking that he knows better than them, when he can't possibly have their life experience.

He has neither of these qualities, and continually feels he needs to correct the POC on DU about their perceptions of racism.

[NaturalHigh]

323. Well, after seeing posts that "white people just need to shut up and listen"...

more than once, I will admit that my views of such discussions here are a little jaded, and I don't think I'm alone in my opinion. That's not a discussion.

[kwassa]

329. There is a middle ground.

The idea behind the "shut up and listen" is that most white people don't listen to black people, but assume that they already know, even if they are political liberals. (This is endemic on DU, by the way.)

It is possible to have a discussion, and listen, and realize that there are life experiences you can never have without being black yourself. As good as your ability to empathize is, you simply can't have that experience. Listen and accept the lived experience of black people. This does not mean you can't talk about this with them.

I am a white man married to a black woman, and we've been together 20 years. I've worked with black people most of my life. There are still limits to what I can experience, as much as I know about black people, and aside from knowing them well, I've studied the history, too. I still will never be black and feel the racism on a visceral level. There things that they tell me that I just have to accept, because this is as close as I can get.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

373. ALERT to ADMINS on that poster.

I just did. Write a full, detailed alert, not on just
one post, but on the poster's history. I believe it works
if there are enough of such alerts.
It's only a matter of time for that one.

[Bobbie Jo]

387. Thank you!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=272790&sub=trans

[A-Schwarzenegger]

403. AMEN!

[Number23]

404. So you're the one that made this precious miracle happen???

You have made a friend for life. FOR LIFE.

[Brother Buzz]

408. Be careful cozying up with A-Schwarzenegger

before you know it, he'll be insisting you house sit Oscar, the mixed animal.

[Number23]

410. 'Twould be an honor!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

411. Every time Oscar read DU

and saw a post from AverageJoe90, his lip curled,
his teeth rattled and he made a noise in his throat
like a chainsaw cutting a computer in two.

[Brother Buzz]

412. He did that, too, when you talked me into watching him....

But I just assumed it was that can of vegetarian refried beans you jokingly instructed me to feed him. I bet you didn't know I'm anosmic.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

413. I just learned a new word.

I didn't look at the etymology, but
I'm thinking a-nose-mic.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

409. Thanks, 23, if I had anything to do with it

all i can say is yippee.
And your offer to pay him to not post was indeed a DU classic.

[betsuni]

191. Chock Full o' Racists

Heh.

[gollygee]

275. He isn't much older than Azealia Banks

He might just need a few more years of living in this world.

[Luminous Animal]

198. This 57 year old white woman would put her foot down next to bravenak's before I'd put my foot down

within a mile of your foot.

[msanthrope]

274. This. And the devil just ordered Hitler to fire up the Zamboni....that's

how often LA and I agree on anything.

[lovemydog]

210. Speak for yourself.

As for me I vehemently disagree with everything you said.

[AverageJoe90]

211. I'm sorry to hear that.

But I'm afraid my conclusions have been based on not just personal experience, but objective observation as well(particularly in regards to how extremism has hurt the activist left).

[lovemydog]

244. Your objective observation is different from mine.

On some issues. It's probably exactly the same on others. I guess all of mine are very subjective, for me alone. The race issue is one that touches me very deeply. Perhaps because I moved around a lot as a child and know what it's like feeling lonely and outcast and know that love and welcoming and acceptance is a primary necessity in life. Unless and until you have that, it's impossible to even get out of bed. When you have it, it's like fresh water or air, it sustains you enough to go out and do everything else. In my life I have found it often with so many different types of people that I love them dearly.

I think extremism often helps the activist left. In fact I kind of thought that's what it's made of. Extremism for peace. Extremism for workers' rights. Extremism for women's rights. Extremism for gay, lesbian, transgender rights. Extremism for people of color. Those extremists from yesterday, who were slandered and humiliated and outcast are our heroes today.

It's 2015. You can't get away with telling other people their experiences are not valid. You can't lecture to someone else about what is racist or sexist and what is not, and not expect blowback from people who have lived it, felt it, not only in their history but in their daily lives.

By the way, I'm not sure who you think is extremist here at DU. The folks I like I consider friendly and funny and warm and kind. I don't consider them extremist. Extremists I feel aren't here talking on this message board. They are somewhere else being extremist, lol.

Either the current activist left learns to listen and get along with and benefit from different voices and not patronizing toward all different types of people now, or the current activist left will sink like a stone. How many do we have currently in Congress? Five or ten? How many does the Tea Party currently have in Congress? Around a hundred?

We need to step up our game. We only do that by being as inclusive as possible. We'll all benefit. Besides, I have more in common with people who might like similar music or similar likes than I might with people who have similar grudges or sex or skin color. It's a very mixed bag.

Please don't get me wrong. I think there's room here for all here. I think we need it. I think it's necessary for us to build and grow. Something that may piss me off today, the next day I may laugh my ass off about it. I'm confident that I'd enjoy the personal company of pretty much everyone who posts here. I just wish that could be expressed here through language. It's often a poor substitute for real meetings offline. But since we're all in our separate areas, I guess we must do the best we can.

[AverageJoe90]

253. My response.

I think extremism often helps the activist left.

I'm afraid it has far more often hurt than helped: even many of Malcolm X's actions prior to his April 1964 trip to Mecca are a good example of why. There are examples to be found in the pro-Palestine movement as well, as well as plenty of other movements; even Occupy had it's problems.

You can't get away with telling other people their experiences are not valid.

I honestly don't know what you've heard, but I know I haven't actually said and/or implied such, to anybody(I will say that I have pointed out that we should try not to let our personal experiences get in the way of facts and objectivity, which is a rather different thing altogether.)

The folks I like I consider friendly and funny and warm and kind. I don't consider them extremist. Extremists I feel aren't here talking on this message board.

We don't have a lot of extremists here, that is true; most people I've met are reasonable, from my own experience, regardless on whether or not we may disagree on certain things.....but unfortunately, the few extremists we do have here tend to be pretty vocal and in-your-face about it. I suppose you may not have noticed this, but I and quite a few others have, and I've had a few folks come to me voluntarily, telling me about their issues(and vice versa as well).

Either the current activist left learns to listen and get along with and benefit from different voices and not patronizing toward all different types of people now, or the current activist left will sink like a stone.

Somebody really should tell that to all the Ta-Nehisi Coates's, Chauncey De Vegas', Mikki Kendalls, Jessica Valentis and Brittney Coopers out there. (Especially the former three!)

Besides, I have more in common with people who might like similar music or similar likes than I might with people who have similar grudges or sex or skin color. It's a very mixed bag.

Unfortunately, a certain few people here have yet to get that memo.

Please don't get me wrong. I think there's room here for all here. I think we need it. I think it's necessary for us to build and grow. Something that may piss me off today, the next day I may laugh my ass off about it. I'm confident that I'd enjoy the personal company of pretty much everyone who posts here. I just wish that could be expressed here through language. It's often a poor substitute for real meetings offline. But since we're all in our separate areas, I guess we must do the best we can.

We can certainly try. But we do need to recognize that there is a serious image problem. I'm not about to suggest silencing people, mind, but the left really could do a better job of keeping our fringe elements better in check, and calling individuals out should they do and/or anything particularly stupid and/or wrongheaded(such as "all white people are racist" or "all men are potential rapists", for example); and once we do that, we can have a better chance at making more progress.

But at least I can say that, despite all the trouble, hope is not yet lost: same-sex marriage continues to advance across the country, to the point where even some Southern states are allowing it now. People are increasingly questioning police corruption and incompetence, whether it be in Ferguson, or New York, etc.....so yeah, even with all the problems, we can still be hopeful that all will work out in the end.

[lovemydog]

259. Thanks for your reply.

I'll read it more carefully and thoughtfully tomorrow. Hope you enjoy a good rest of the night & tomorrow.

[pinboy3niner]

261. Azealia Banks is not one of the "Left's fringe elements"

[lovemydog]

265. Okay here's my reply to your reply.

I haven't seen any posts here that say 'all white people are racist.' So I think you are projecting something that's not there. I will say though that I'm a bit surprised by how difficult it is for a lot of white people here to talk about or just listen to discussions involving race, without reacting hysterically or defensively, or projecting a lot of weird stuff that has next to nothing to do with those particular issues. To me it's like if I say 'Ow. My toe hurts!' and fifty people jump in to reply 'Are you calling me a racist?' I mean, wtf?

Second, that whole other people are saying this to me and vice versa thing doesn't score any points with me because they are complaining to you about stuff they are too insecure or afraid of saying here online. Probably for a reason. They know it wouldn't fly at a site with a lot of liberals posting here, some from cities, some from urban areas, some from rural areas. But if you can't say it here publicly then there's really no way to respond to it. Other than to say I suspect it's white people whining that 'Oh, I can't talk with those black folks about race because I'm afraid I'll get called a racist.'

Speaking just for myself, I think that it's possible for someone to post something here and have someone reply 'that's racist' and then move on. That doesn't mean the person is saying you're klan member. And that doesn't mean they should be banished from ever posting here again. It doesn't even mean the person saying 'that's racist' is saying 'you are a bona fide racist.' It means just what it says. 'That's racist.' Or, based on my experience and mine alone I think that's racist. I think we're never going to have a good dialogue about race in this country until white people get over that fear and start openly talking about it with black people. And yes, I think that's a white person's problem. Not a black person's problem.

Just as I feel a lot of sexism is a male problem. And a lot of prejudice against gay people is not a problem of gay people as much as it is a problem of bullies. And maybe of people who fear they are gay. Or something. And a lot of discrimination toward others is a problem of the discriminator, not the discriminatee (who is often just trying to be heard in the first place, and not have a bunch of crazy ass shit projected onto them, either publicly on a message board or in cowardly whining behind their back).

[nomorenomore08]

257. "You can't lecture to someone else about what is racist or sexist and what is not."

And that right there, IMO, is the crux of the problem. Certain (usually white and male) people who claim to speak for "the left," need to learn some goddamn humility.

[lovemydog]

260. Thanks.

I appreciate your comment. Yeah, that's a problem.

I was at a rally a while back. Before it started there was a discussion. Someone kept interrupting my friend, saying 'I'm here to say blah blah blah'. When it got me I was like 'I'm here to listen. To this woman.' Everyone laughed, & she was awesome. I think the guy got the message. Or who knows, maybe he's out there blah blah blahing to a smaller crowd.

I hope you have a great rest of the week.

[gollygee]

268. You can't do objective. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

240. Your foot doesn't speak for me.

[gollygee]

267. Do you think you own DU?

You don't get to say what's posted here. How entitled and arrogant can you get?

[msanthrope]

271. Funny...I'm a white DUer and I'm not slandered. Don't pretend to speak for me. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

303. Well imagine seeing you in this thread.

The most profound case of tone deafness I've ever seen, TBH...

Ever.

[CreekDog]

415. Ohhhhhh he says white DUers are going to put their foot down!

Take that!



I don't personally feel the need to put my foot down and I question AverageJoe's ability to put his foot down while it is in his mouth.

Oh, and besides, he's not even a White DUer anymore.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=272790&sub=trans

[Bjorn Against]

425. Well it looks like DU has collectively put our feet down

We collectively put our feet down to stomp out your vile racism.

[lovemydog]

182. Indeed.

I wonder if anyone might read the original post here, then read the entire thread, and perhaps see it in another light. Perhaps in the light that bravenak is talking about? Think about the original post here, mentioning a rap artist's comments and then in the same post mentioning reparations. WTF? Then read the entire thread and consider it from that standpoint. WTF?

Considering this kind of thing has been going a long time here, I kind of doubt it. Personally, I think it's a major problem among white liberals, and by extension a major problem within the democratic party.

Am I ever going to vote for a republican? Probably not. But I do know that we as a democratic party can do a hell of a lot better than we do here in this thread. And we will only do so with some self-reflection and improvement.

If on even the slightest chance that anyone reading here does rethink their thoughts, though, feel free to reply here. I know that in my case, I grew a lot from precisely some of the posts that at first when I first started posting here truly annoyed me. So I know it's possible. I sure would like to know!

Bravenak, you're one of my favorite posters here. Please don't allow yourself to get thrown off by this stuff. It's mainly flame bait, imho, and there's too many other positive things here to enjoy.

Okay, I'm being pretty selfish here. If it bothers you that much by all means do what's best for yourself. Please consider though, don't get dragged down by these loaded threads. It's not worth the stress. I'll just say that I always enjoy posting with you because it's like running into a friend at a rather boringly predictable party.

[bravenak]

224. I know.

It just gets so weird. I never see this with other groups of people in my life.

[lovemydog]

233. You mean offline,

or online too? Online, I've seen a bunch of crazy shit. It's like 'mean people tweets' from Jimmy Kimmel's show. Offline, people tend to be more friendly & relaxed. Otherwise I'd be afraid to go outside.

Look, this thread is loaded like a minefield. So many different things at play. I'm trying to get out before stepping on any more live mines.

I think it's good to have a thread discussions on race, on the music industry, on gay rights, on freedom of speech, on reparations, on playboy, on old white fat folks, on old white racist fat folks, on the hip hop audience, on poor korean wal-mart workers, on skinny eskimo triathletes, on what people say to the media vs. how they act in their private life, on nudity, on drunk posting, on high posting, on comments without reading an entire thread, on cell phone posting versus iPad posting versus posting from a laptop or desktop, social justice warriors, on video gaming, on spaghetti versus pizza. I'm all for it.

But not all in one thread!

[romanic]

184. Is your crown of thorns too tight?

Seriously there's no attack against black people going on in this forum. Sounds like you assume every single black/POC member on here backs you up. This one here doesn't. Azealias doesn't speak for all black artists and you don't speak for all black/POC DUers. I have seen no proof of DU being a bastion of racism like you claim it to be; some cluelessness but not racism. You wsnt to see racism, go on Reddit or Free republic or 4chan. That's where the vicious doodling on blacks and Jews and gays are at.

Instead of fighting here with people that aren't even attacking or being racist, go fight them on their boards. Stop prancing around like a damn victim picking fights with everyone and DO SOMETHING.

And yes i called you out just like you're calling everyone out. Deal with it. *zsnap*

[AverageJoe90]

209. Hey there, romanic. Excellent reply, if I may say so. nt

[bravenak]

216. Laughing at you too.

[romanic]

258. Laughter

Is defeat in my eyes. Ignore for you, can't argue or fix stupid.

[bravenak]

286. I'm so sad. You do know you replied to me, right? I would never talk to you on purpose.

You sound super smart. Super. Like smarter than everybody. IYOM, that is.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

354. Being lectured by a newbie I see...your patience is impressive

[bravenak]

356. I try my best.

[Marrah_G]

223. YOU have been here SIX days

I don't think you have a clue what does or does not happen on DU. Unless of course there is some other name you go by....

[romanic]

235. I've lurked on here for a couple years.

So i kind of can see the dynamics of the forum and how certain people bait and roll in certain discussions. Im my own person and I don't pull punches when it comes to calling others out or reading people for filth, doesn't matter if i have hundred something posts or a hundred million posts. Ill dial it down cause my last post was pure emotion and uncalled for but the passive aggressive vitcim act irks the shit out of me.

[AverageJoe90]

237. I'm much the same way myself.

We might have some things in common.....hope you'll be around for a while.

[Marrah_G]

277. yup- sure you have

Sorry, to be honest, I just don't believe you.

[romanic]

282. .

[IMG][/IMG]

Believe whatever you want. *shrugs*

[kwassa]

311. I don't believe you are a person of color.

I don't see anything in your writing that indicates any sensibility that a person of color would have.

At least not one that a black American would have.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

355. BAZINGA

[romanic]

374. I'm not a black American.

I'm Puerto Rican with a complexion that borders on dark. I have plenty of sensibility when it comes to race, I just don't agree with all of the baiting, passive-aggressiveness and snark that gets slung everytime race comes up on the forums. I sure as hell don't agree with all of the paranoia that goes on when someone (whether their of color or not) goes against a certain mindset by the more "elite" posters that participate in these discussions. I popped off because somebody was putting words in other people's mouths and making accusations. When I see and smell bullshit, I call it out. Nothing more nothing less.

And for the last time, I don't care what others believe. Some believe in the tooth fairy, some believe in God. If you want to make assumptions about me or anybody that doesn't entirely agree with you or your buddy, knock yourself out. I can't muster up a single fuck so...

[IMG][/IMG]

[kwassa]

382. It's fine not to agree. It's fine to have your own opinion.

but I don't know why you are participating here if you don't care what people think of your opinion. It doesn't make much sense that you would participate. Do you just enjoy telling people to fuck off? Why should they care that you've told them to fuck off?

Your style is not likely to convince others of the value of your opinion. You might want to re-consider. I also don't see any particular insight on your part in anything in relation to racial relations between black and white Americans. The politics of race is different among immigrants from Latin countries, so its is not exactly comparable.

If you wish to continue to pop off, go right ahead. There is no elite here, there are just people talking. Unless you offer more substance, though, don't expect people to listen just to your insults.

[ARMYofONE]

185. Interesting that you ignored Ms. Banks's "Uncle Tom" comments toward Pharrel and others.

It's right there in the many articles on her interview.

[bravenak]

218. So what?

I guess you think black people saying ni*** to each other is racist too, eh? Stupid.

[ARMYofONE]

335. This is all so confusing. Is there a rule book on when it is okay to call people

"Uncle Tom" or "Aunt Jemima"?

[bravenak]

337. Yes.

White people need to not use those terms. They are racially motivated. They made those terms up to be derogatory to us. You don't NEED to use it. If you do, you'll hear how racist it is.

[ARMYofONE]

346. Nice assumptions! You have no idea about my racial identity. And for all I know, you're lily white

[bravenak]

347. Well, I AM 30% Irish.

You of course are white.

[ARMYofONE]

357. I'm mixed race, thank you very much. Assumptions are cool, as long as one claims to be Black

and believes that the subject of his assumptions is White. Do I have your logic straight?

You're trolling, dude. I hope everyone can see that.

[bravenak]

358. Dude?

Do. Not . Believe. You.
Everybody knows who I am. U just got here. Why not chill the hell out and learn a bit about the place before you jump on the bandwagon? Black people usually say hey to each other. You just follow me to say rude shit and call me a man. Wtf? Come back to AA and we can chat about it. Otherwise, you are probably lying and I won't ever see you back in the group I host. The African American group. You know. Black people. Like me. Why would I think you're black when you never stop by for a spell, just find ways to harass me?

[bravenak]

361. Lol!

[bravenak]

365. .

[kwassa]

369. You are wrong in so many ways.

Bravenak is being generous to you.

Being a mixture of Mexican, which is itself a mix, and European will not give you the faintest insight into the life of African-Americans.

Since you are a newbie, you might start listening to those who are, and those who have been here awhile.

[romanic]

378. From one Latino to another.

I'm with ya AoO, don't let nobody dilute your heritage.
[IMG][/IMG]
And as for those prior responses:
[IMG][/IMG]
Keep walking while they chirp.

[bravenak]

393. Do you think you are the only Latino/a here?

Me llamo bianca delarosa. Yo soy morena, pero, yo estoy latina tambien. You do know black people can be hispanic right? Like me? Hell I'm a mutt who can claim, white, black, hispanic, blackfoot, and cherokee. Whatevs. You know how light hispanics treat us black ones right? You must sabe since you're sooo latino. I get shit from hispanics and shit from blacks for speaking spanish. Good grief. Such a cornball.

[kwassa]

383. I am not saying that you are not a minority ...

or that Mexican-Americans have not been discriminated against. They clearly have.

The history, though, is completely different with whites and African-Americans. The politics of race are different, too.

[Marrah_G]

226. It is one person's words being used to try and balance out hundreds of years of racism

It's like saying climate change isn't settled science because one dipshit has some stupid theory why it isn't.

[betsuni]

195. I usually read all comments before commenting myself, but not this thread.

Don't need to, saw which way the tide was going. Why would anyone get upset at what Azalea said? Why do people have to get married to everything everyone says and then fight with it? What is the big deal. I will miss you very much if you go.

[AverageJoe90]

204. "Why would anyone get upset at what Azalea said?" Plenty of reasons, actually.....

why people might have issues with what she said. Other people have also noted that she hasn't exactly been very kind to LGBTQ people in the past, either.

[Marrah_G]

220. Don't listen to them and don't let your voice be silenced

You are a valuable member of Du and we need you here.

[bravenak]

222. I just get irritated and have to say something.

I'll just post less and ignore certain people. Thanks.

[Marrah_G]

227. Ignore as many as you have to

But just don't go. DU would lose IQ points if you left.

[bravenak]

229. I will.

I'm done feeding into it. But, I will still have to say something.

[pinboy3niner]

241. You're not the only one who sees it

But it really helps to have your authentic voice here.

[bravenak]

287. Thank you.

[stage left]

368. Like Pinboy said

You're not the only one who sees it and your voice is appreciated. I would never presume to tell anyone what their experience of the world should be, what they should think and feel. Anger when you have experienced injustice seems to me a natural response. What I'm trying to say is I think some people could benefit by walking a mile in your shoes. So don't let them shut you up. Not ever.

[NaturalHigh]

278. Well, I remember some pretty racist comments about Iggy Azalea a while back.

For some reason you think Azalea Banks should get a pass on her stupidity? Why?

As for your assertions that DU bashes the black community - what? Where do you even come up with this stuff?

Not everyone who disagrees with you "smack(s) of ignorance and bigotry."

[bravenak]

285. Iggy made racist comments. She got told and played the victim.

I don't know what else you are talking about. I watch DU bash a black celebrity day every time. I don't know what racist comments about Iggy you are speaking of. Anybody that calls themselves 'the runaway slave master' gets no love from me. I don't need to trash talk Azalea Banks or have an opinion on her at all. I can watch you guys bash her and pat yourselves on the back about how much better you all are than her.

[Matrosov]

293. White supremacy

There's a difference between a man holding a door open for a woman out of respect and holding it open because he thinks she's too dumb or weak to open it for herself.

Likewise, while many white liberals are fighting for racial equality for African-Americans and other minorities because they think minorities are deserving of respect, there are sadly also some with a very condescending view toward minorities.

It's a repackaged form of white supremacy. Even if they aren't looking to put African-Americans back on cotton plantations, their desire to help African-Americans comes from the same view that they are too dumb and weak to help themselves.

That's why some whites who claim to be progressives are very eager to tell minorities what they should and shouldn't consider racism and why they take opportunity to point out things they perceive to be racial double standards.

I'm sure if you press some of them hard enough on the subject, they'll claim they really aren't racist because they have a black friend

[lumberjack_jeff]

319. I think that most posters understood that this is about one person.

... who hates everything about america... except playboy magazine.

"America" has a great deal to atone for. Stealing the land from first peoples, slavery, treatment of Irish and Chinese immigrant labor, delayed suffrage, incarceration of Japanese Americans in WWII.

That said, don't think anything is gained by demanding the shakedown of people 5 or 6 generations removed to the tune of $2.6 million dollars for each black person living today.

There aren't enough bad err "privileged" people to spread that punishment across.

Here's the thing: It's okay for her to hate me because I'm a fat white american? Is it okay for me to hate her for what she believes because she's clearly an asshole irrespective of sex, orientation or skin color? Between the two of us, who is the racist? Me because I'm white or her because she "hates" white people?

[bravenak]

328. Why should she like anyone that seems to hate her first?

We are born in a nation where half of the white people hate us to death and wish slavery back. I hate that. I hate knowing that. Is she the real race problem or is she reflecting back hundreds of years of this hate? Does she have a reason to LIKE you? Or white people as a group? What have they done to show black people that all the hate is in the past and we can trust you? Nothing but tell us it was a long time ago and get over it. Privilege is not real! Black people are the real racists!

Funny. She does not seem like she was given any reason to like anybody. She owes america and white people nothing. The same group that picks on and trashes anything black.

With the way america treats black people and the fact that we have more racists than black people in america, why should she not feel hate? They hate her. This nation does not love black people but expects black people to love this nation. White people as a group do not like black people, but expect us to love them or leave like they owned the joint. You guys are real insecure in this stolen land and scared that the stolen people hate you for the endless racism and abuse. Why should black people love white people? What have they done to make us NOT hate them for the years of racism, jim crow, slavery, and the current racist prison system and policing and just life in general? Why should hate not be expected from people who experience such bullshit from your group? Most black people who hate white people hate them because of the racism experienced at their hands. It not being white, it racism FROM white people that turn young blacks like that. it the fact that you don't check each other on behaivior, you figure out how black people should deal with it so as to not make other white folks upset. It is stressful. The racism in the white community is the real problem. Not some young black woman who hates the people that trash the fuck out of her. Look at this thread. This is how white america treats her. So she hates you all. So?there are more racist whites in this country than there are black people living there. Maybe if you all would work on that instead of piling on one black woman as evidence of 'black racism' you would't look like you do. A bunch of white folks sitting around trashing a young black woman to get your jollies. I watch you guys do this with black celebrities all the time.

[lumberjack_jeff]

330. I like you. I dislike her.

It is difficult to ascribe a racist motivation to the distinction I make.

They hate her enough to buy her CD's and Playboy Magazine. I wish people would hate me like that.

Billie Holliday, Otis Redding, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, Ella Fitzgerald, Lena Horne, Dionne Warwick, Louis Armstrong. They all grew up in an America much more racist than the one we live in today. They didn't hate my parents because they were white, nor did they find that hate to be a useful marketing tool.

[bravenak]

333. It doesn't matter if it was MORE racist then. It is VERY racist now. Look at how our men are treated

Look how we have to raise our kids alone while our men go to prison for stupid shit like drugs. White people won't hire them if the have weird names or a record. So they sell drugs, the only thing left. I've seen black men with college degrees not be able to find jobs for so long that they end up selling that shit to feed the kids. We feel the fact that america hates us. We can tell. There are not enough non racists to make up for the racists. Or they remain silent because it doesn't affect them. That is racism. It comes even from silence. You guys want black people to stop thinking white folks are racist? Go after them instead of us. They are the real problem. Not some young black girl with a bunch of pain inside. I just watched how DU was more upset about what she just said than the fact that we have fraternities calling for niggers to be hung. I see people saying they should be allowed to stay in school, while here she is invited to leave America. Same folks. Ugly. I'm pretty much done here anyway. This place needs a diversity check.


She was not born until the 80's or early 90's. Even today I experience racism. I compartmentalize, not everyone can. This racism shit has gone on too long for everyone to be like me or you ir those people you listed. Burnt out. Tired. Tired of trying to like people who refuse to see the real issue.
You will never experience the day to day bullshit that she or I will. If you did, you see people for who they really are.

[lumberjack_jeff]

336. I think the comparison between the consequences of the OU frat racists words

and the "consequences" of Banks words are useful. While the OU frat racists may have been inadequately punished, she's rewarded for hers.

I don't think anything good comes from explicit hate based on skin color. I'm agin' it.

[bravenak]

338. She is being lambasted all over the place.

She is being punished. Death threats. Nasty messages. She has been getting that from white folks since this summer.
Those boys deserved to be expelled. Black people said our piece and left it alone. That young woman has been getting shit for months and will forever. I see her called a prostitute on this thread. And bitch. And anything but a child of god. The media latches on to any percieved racism from black people as evidence that we deserve how we get treated.

Look at how this op was designed.

1. Talk about Azalea
2. Thrown in reparations for blacks as a cudgel

Why the hell would anyone think that I wouldn't notice whats going on. There are simply not enough minorities around here otherwise you'd hear it from many more blacks then me. Everone I know who I invite here that is black, takes a peek, says 'oh, hell no' and never returns. I know why.

[Romeo.lima333]

350. why dont you start a thread on iggy azalea

[bravenak]

352. Why don't you? I already did an article on her in January.

Not here.
You sure do follow me around nipping at my ankles a bit these days. I know why. I disturb you.

[DanTex]

381. Good post. And don't leave DU.

[bravenak]

384. I won't. It's sad tho.

[yuiyoshida]

402. Yes!

[tblue37]

390. Please DON''T leave bravenak! Your posts are among the ones I come here to read.

BTW, don't think your contributions aren't appreciated by white DUers. I am white, and I know that many other white DU members value your posts as much as I do. DU *needs* you. Don't let jerks drive you away.

[bravenak]

391. Well, AverageJoe90 is gone, so...

I guess I can stay. Boy he followed me around complaining like a schoolboy.

[tblue37]

392. Good riddance to bad rubbish. It took too long, though. anyone who accuses liberals

of being SJWs, like that's a bad thing, should be considered very suspicious, I think.

[bravenak]

394. And Rad Fems.

Hated rad fems like they were roaches. I never bought his act. I don't think many did.

[freshwest]

418. ...

I decided not to go there.

But you know I went there.

[bravenak]

419. So nice he left so soon after putting his collective feet down.

It's hard to stop yourself from celebrating such good news!!

[freshwest]

423. A little gift for us from DU2:

[bravenak]

424. I love that stupid gif.

He was really good at doing what he did. I will never forget him. Ever, tbh.

[NOLALady]

416. A F'ing Men!

[BainsBane]

156. What reparations movement?

The only ones I see talking about reparations is right-wingers coming up with excuses for their own bigotry.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

167. Your concern for the "reparations movement" is noted. nt

[G_j]

168. sounds like she is being honest

though hate will always hurt your soul, even if that hate is in some ways justified.

[ARMYofONE]

179. I doubt she hates the part of America that made her rich and famous. That undoubtedly includes

many white folks. I do not agree with her assessment of middle America. Too broad a brush. But she is free to her beliefs, of course.

[Jenoch]

189. She certainly is entitled to her opinion,

but I'm not certain it is helpful to whatever changes or actions she wishes to come about.

[lovemydog]

197. Your comment about reparations is ignorant, imho.

By that 'standard' when Ted Nugent speaks, he's speaking for white people. No one here would say he does. Because all white people don't all think and speak the same.

See what I'm saying?

[AverageJoe90]

207. T3D n00bg3nt is a fuckin' moron, for sure.

But I doubt the OP was attacking black people, however, or even claiming/implying that Ms. Banks speaks for all African-Americans.

[lovemydog]

225. Well, we disagree here AverageJoe90.

I feel the same about this as I would if someone posted a photo of the sports illustrated swimsuit cover and said something like 'this ought to do wonders for feminism.' I'd consider it at best flame bait or really ignorant. Train wreck threads here are pretty predictable. They can drive really good people away from DU. You'll see that from reading this entire thread. You must understand. There are certain things like rape or murder or race issues or all sorts of other things that, while some may be able to sit here like Mr. Spock and discuss them all logically, one should also be sensitive to the fact that for a good deal of others they can really bring out a lot of pain and hurt feelings. And guess who ends up leaving? Precisely the people who add the most to DU. Unless we want it to be solely an old boys club of straight white men. Which I most certainly don't. I doubt you'd want that either.

[pinboy3niner]

236. Racial blindness

The OP's intent is transparent, especially to those aware of the poster's history here.

[gollygee]

270. He claimed it

He said what she said would hurt the reparations movement. In order for that to happen, she'd have to be a spokesperson for all African American people.

[Warren DeMontague]

201. There aren't going to be reparations.

However one feels about the merits of the arguments around that idea, that's a simple flat-out fact.

It's not going to happen. Or at least, the odds of it actually happening are so infinitesimally miniscule that it's essentially a done deal.

So people who get all worked up around it, from any angle, are engaged in a fundamentally pointless endeavor.

[JI7]

228. i don't give a shit about Azaleia Banks and wish she would go away

with her bigoted comments.

but this thread is full of racist jackasses. similar to the right wingers who bring up Al Sharpton

[JI7]

230. the comment about Reparations in the OP is something you would usually find on right wing sites

[lovemydog]

234. Yup. With a lot of people going off about all sorts of nonsensical shit.

I can't stand those sites so I don't read them. If I wanted to hang around them I suppose I could, but I don't so I won't, lol. Same goes for watching Fox 'News'. I don't mind other people watching and reporting what they say. But five minutes of that crap makes me wanna hurl and I don't like hurling so I stay away.

[nomorenomore08]

248. I kind of get what she's saying, but she definitely chose the most inflammatory means possible.

I agree with most of the folks on this thread - celebrities say stupid shit all the time. It's not exactly shocking.

[DrDan]

263. well isn't that special

[raccoon]

272. Well, she's certainly entitled to her opinion. nt

[NaturalHigh]

281. I like this part from the article.

"Still, angry tweets, gay bashing-- ironically Banks has identified as bisexual -- and candid accounts of racism is all hot air unless you're on the ground actively working to make a change, instead of just talking about. It's unclear what Banks' activism work includes outside of her forthright expressions on all that is wrong in America, a country she intends to leave behind.

In fact, while New Yorkers took to the streets to protest the Staten Island grand jury's decision not to indict police officer, Daniel Pantaleo, for his role in Garner's death, Banks was engaged in a Twitter war with Iggy Azalea."

[Enrique]

283. she needs to go to Starbucks

work out her feelings with a barista.

[NaturalHigh]

322. LOL...I saw something about the whole Starbucks thing yesterday.

As long as the baristas get my order right and out to me in a timely manner, I couldn't care less what they think about racial issues.

[In_The_Wind]

389. I won't be spending my bucks at Starbucks.

There is something about pushing an issue to make more money that just doesn't feel right to me.

[Snow Leopard]

290. Just another

Ignorant racist.

[LeftinOH]

296. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but:

Who is this person?
She's a "Rap artist"?
She's in a 10-page nude pictorial?

Playboy is too classy a magazine for the likes of her. She seems to be a no-talent nobody whose "career" has already peaked.

[Kurska]

306. Then leave

Seriously, you're rich no one is forcing you to stay here. If you really hate it so much leave for a place you'll be happier at.

[NaturalHigh]

307. According to the article...

she says that she is going to leave but wants her "reparations" first. This woman doesn't live in the real world.

[Kurska]

308. So what you're telling me is.

If we just pay her we make her go away.

Sweet, I'll start the collection.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

339. "Sweet, I'll start the collection."

She wants --



One hundred TRILL-yun dollars!

[TheSarcastinator]

342. yes, those who think the US is racist and oppressive should just leave!

Hell, why didn't MLK think of that?

[Kurska]

372. People who think there is absolutely nothing redeeming about this place

While having made an absolute fortune from America and have every means and opportunity to leave, should for their own sanity just leave.

No one is forcing her to stay in a nation and with a people she openly despises.

[Kurska]

309. "I'm going to call you a f-g"

Which is a word she says it is okay using if it is directed at a "guy who acts like a female". So she completely misses the irony of her homophobia while saying she is decrying racism.

[AverageJoe90]

331. That does bother me a bit as well.

Unfortunately, a lot of the posters on this thread defending Ms. Banks here seem to have either missed this or just ignored it altogether.

[NaturalHigh]

340. It seems to be willfully overlooked.

[TheSarcastinator]

343. which does not detract from her argument about racism, at all

You do realize that a human being can be, and often is, correct about one or two issues while holding problematic opinions about other issues, right?

Her homophobia, which is reprehensible, does not alter the strength or weakness of her discussion of American racism at all, it simply indicates that the young woman has more personal growth to experience, as do we all.

[romanic]

370. It does detract from her argument.

As a person of a marginalized group, she shouldn't be flinging stones at others for their sexuality, race or whatever label that marginalizes that person in society. And she hasn't apologized for calling gay men faggots either.

[hughee99]

312. I thought this OP would have pulled out specific quotes to make her look bad or stupid,

and I apologize. There's very little in this article that wouldn't convey this. Hopefully, PS166 in New York isn't touting her as one of their success stories.

[d_b]

315. I also hate America

Have you seen her shitty videos? millions of views for forgettable autotune rubbish, shit that is somehow worse than lil wayne.

Fuck you, America.

[HappyMe]

318. I don't know wtf this has to do with reparations.

It's her opinion, she's entitled to it.

[Brother Buzz]

320. Because it's part and parcel of her words from the Playboy interview linked in the OP

<snip>

And whenever you point out that discrepancy, someone on Twitter says, “Why are you trying to make this about race?”

Because y’all motherfuckers still owe me reparations! [laughs] That’s why it’s still about race. Really, the generational effects of Jim Crow and poverty linger on. As long as I have my money, I’m getting the fuck out of here and I’m gonna leave y’all to your own devices.

Do you want to leave the U.S.?

Yes! I hate everything about this country. Like, I hate fat white Americans. All the people who are crunched into the middle of America, the real fat and meat of America, are these racist conservative white people who live on their farms. Those little teenage girls who work at Kmart and have a racist grandma—that’s really America.

<more>

http://www.playboy.com/articles/azealia-banks-playboy-photos

[TheSarcastinator]

341. b/c it allows an effective ad hominem attack against the idea of reparations & AA culture in general

This is one of the oldest tricks in the book: if you wish to discredit an idea or a movement, find a follower or believer in that idea who also behaves in a way (or has other ideas) that many people might find offensive, ridiculous or stupid. You then attack that person as the representative of that movement. It is easy and quite effective. Most Americans (and apparently a high percentage of DUers) are not intelligent enough to separate the idea from the individual who has espoused it publicly. It is also connected to the widespread popularity of authoritarian belief systems, where we identify ideas with political leaders, celebrities and other public figures and allow that to become a type of worship. It's as common on this website as it is anywhere else in the US.

"Oh, you think the police are out of control and they way they interact with the pubic needs revision? Well, Al Sharpton thinks that way too, and he's a liar and fraud! He owes millions in back taxes, you know!"

"Al Gore believes in global warming -- and he has an expensive, wasteful home that uses a lot of electricity! How can you believe in global climate change just like that scumbag?"

[PeteSelman]

362. If I knew who this idiot was I might care.

The good news is that there's a solution. She can leave at any time. Just pick up your shit and get the fuck out.

Pretty simple.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

366. Wow

Quite a heated thread.

Getting back to the article at hand, one of the cats she is holding does not look amused. Maybe we can bring animal rights into this discussion.

[NaturalHigh]

380. Yeah, I almost wonder if the cats had to be sedated for this.

[still_one]

401. Interesting, the antithesis of what Martin Luther King stood for. Racists come in all colors

[Lilyeye]

420. Wow. Looks like Azealia has gotten what she wanted if she is being discussed on DU.

For a minute I thought I was on the pop music board I usually post at. I'm in my 20s and follow the music scene, so I know all about her. She's known as a joke among many black and white kids because she is considered a troll. She does have some skills as a rapper, but her constant twitter wars with celebrities has turned a lot of people off. She spends more time running her mouth than working on her career. For her to even be getting so much attention here is hilarious. Until her bigotry starts influencing millions of people the way Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have, I wouldn't worry about it. She isn't going to be the female Tupac.

Also, some in this thread keep getting Azealia Banks and Iggy Azalea confused. Iggy is a white girl from Australia, but she has made some questionable comments herself. Not on the level as Azealia Banks, but enough for me not to support her or her music. I personally find both to be an embarrassment with how they present themselves.

[deathrind]

426. As Anton Chigurh would say...

To her...

"You're not to bright are you"

Another quote from her...

"I don’t understand how someone could be an atheist. Think about God as software, right? If you were to look at God’s face, your head would explode. Because your head is a calculator, and the amount of information that would be embedded in his face would fit only on a Google-size data center. Your head cannot handle that much information. Stop looking for God."

As for the reparations. She should contact Sherman about that one.