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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 06:52 PM Mar 2015

I am no fan of Hillary Clinton by any means, but...

I am no fan of Hillary Clinton by any means, but I am even less a fan of the "mainstream" news media...and with this email thing, you just have to love how these laggards have managed to go from "Clinton Scandal!" to "Remember The Other Clinton Scandals!" to, now, "Look, The Media Is Back In Clinton-Scandal Mode!"

In essence, they've downshifted so they can report on themselves. Easiest gig in America, and now they get to do it until a year from November. "Wow, look how we do what we do!"

Maybe a cat asleep in a ray of sunlight is lazier than these frauds, but I doubt it.

Clintons and controversy: The circus is back in town
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-circus-is-back-in-town/2015/03/10/d941ea78-c74c-11e4-a199-6cb5e63819d2_story.html?hpid=z2

Gad zooks, get a job.

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I am no fan of Hillary Clinton by any means, but... (Original Post) WilliamPitt Mar 2015 OP
rec bigtree Mar 2015 #1
K&R octoberlib Mar 2015 #2
It looks like they're taking republican payola again, Pathwalker Mar 2015 #3
I think it's worse than that, actually. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #4
But there's plenty to talk about Jeb Bush compromising Pathwalker Mar 2015 #6
... 2naSalit Mar 2015 #33
I'm right there with you; it does seem a bit ridiculous and contrived now that facts are comin out... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #5
I am already sick of all these phony Clinton "scandals" 4now Mar 2015 #7
Americans have this bizarre obsession with reality TV... bluesbassman Mar 2015 #8
"Reality TV" defined: WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #9
still, a lot of "reality" TV sounds scripted Skittles Mar 2015 #11
Oh It Is... It Deinitely Is... WillyT Mar 2015 #38
Cronkite and Murrow are spinning in their graves. hifiguy Mar 2015 #36
thank you and F*** the DUers who fall for this bullshit Skittles Mar 2015 #10
+1 2naSalit Mar 2015 #34
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #41
It is carefully crafted triangulation, designed to get her back in the game. jmho. nt silvershadow Mar 2015 #12
Just makes me want to vote for her! B Calm Mar 2015 #13
No one expects everyone to accept everything immediately. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #14
Mostly it is garbage pundits puffed up on ego. What happened to investigative journalism? Rex Mar 2015 #15
I postedm this earlier today, so, for those who missed it or don't believe it Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #16
Thank-you JR, lets talk about issues rather than crap mrdmk Mar 2015 #50
This is their job. joshcryer Mar 2015 #17
I think it's a disqualifier for the office, myself. TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #18
+1 It's nothing but distractions and drama with Clintons Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #55
Well, I am fan, Hillary statments shows she is fighter against GOP lewebley3 Mar 2015 #19
She's not fighting the GOP. She's fighting her duty to provide her TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #20
Plus a zillion. 840high Mar 2015 #25
Your Crazy, the email is manufactured story, by The right wing and corporation media lewebley3 Mar 2015 #56
Your comment is actually about what the MSM has been for some time now, a fraud still_one Mar 2015 #21
Gee, weren't you one of those people engaging in this very same behavior you are now decrying? MADem Mar 2015 #22
"it seems" being the important phrase WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #27
Naaah. The "important" phrase was "has a sad." It all went downhill from there. MADem Mar 2015 #29
IWR. Patriot Act. Keystone. Wall Street. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #31
Guilt by insinuation and association, and context-free, as always. MADem Mar 2015 #32
"Guilt by insinuation and association" WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #40
And she's never talked about those votes, never, ever again, has she! MADem Mar 2015 #44
Jury's in! RandiFan1290 Mar 2015 #53
"Will is still here" WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #54
Excellent! Andy823 Mar 2015 #37
Thank you. Much appreciated. nt MADem Mar 2015 #47
Admit it. joshcryer Mar 2015 #39
By posting two threads in GD of DU. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #43
From "she has a sad" to "the media is bad" in 24 hours. joshcryer Mar 2015 #48
Owned. joshcryer Mar 2015 #42
I note with horror the whole "Anger is a gift" schtick.... MADem Mar 2015 #46
I couldn't agree more stupidicus Mar 2015 #23
In point of fact, Newsweek got Whitewater started WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #28
Remember the Obama Scandals of a few years ago? DFW Mar 2015 #24
This is spot on. The Republicans are flashing this shiny object as the smoke starts to rise over LuckyLib Mar 2015 #49
Back? DeSwiss Mar 2015 #26
I'm beginning to suspect the rule of law was pushed off a cliff. Rex Mar 2015 #30
I heard that Hillary... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #35
We knew it was going to happen... ReRe Mar 2015 #45
I felt that way about Bill Clinton and the witch hunt he went through. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #51
Imagine being a news writer olddots Mar 2015 #52

Pathwalker

(6,600 posts)
3. It looks like they're taking republican payola again,
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:08 PM
Mar 2015

like they admitted doing during the bush years. Maybe they getting koch money, now.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
4. I think it's worse than that, actually.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:10 PM
Mar 2015

I find this phenomenon analogous to sportswriting in today's 24-hour news cycle/electronic media environment: basically, it's about filling air time and column inches, period. It is an embarrassment to the profession of political journalism. Also, there is this: Lazy, like water, seeks the lowest level.

Pathwalker

(6,600 posts)
6. But there's plenty to talk about Jeb Bush compromising
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:17 PM
Mar 2015

the identities of 14,000 Floridians when he revealed all their personal information, can't have that though, because that would require work. I think it could be a bit more than just laziness, because all the networks, and the cable news use the exact same words and phrases, in the same order, as if they are all reading the same script.

2naSalit

(87,072 posts)
33. ...
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 08:14 PM
Mar 2015

Because *cough* they are *cough* reading from the same *cough* script. Provided, of course, by the same script writers...

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,128 posts)
5. I'm right there with you; it does seem a bit ridiculous and contrived now that facts are comin out...
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:15 PM
Mar 2015

I think on this email crap, as long as Hillary was being truthful in the explanations she gave today at her press conference, especially her emphatic statement that no classified materials were being privately held on President Clinton's server - and there's certainly no reason at present to suggest otherwise - she should survive this kerfuffle easily. It'll then be remembered as just another "tempest in a teapot."

There's SO much more to rightfully criticize when it comes to Hillary regarding real issues. So maybe, for some here who are ardent Hillary supporters, they actually should be somewhat happy with this journalist-created story to the extent it distracts from those issues.

idk, just a thought.

4now

(1,596 posts)
7. I am already sick of all these phony Clinton "scandals"
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:23 PM
Mar 2015

I am not a Clinton supporter but this email story is just lame.

bluesbassman

(19,387 posts)
8. Americans have this bizarre obsession with reality TV...
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:25 PM
Mar 2015

Which is itself an oxymoron as so little of it is actually real, but the MSM has figured this out and is fully engaged in "entertaining" the masses. Facts, importance, and reality be damned.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
14. No one expects everyone to accept everything immediately.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:33 PM
Mar 2015

Sometimes, they have to use mind control techniques.
Prepare for daily treatments for the next 508 days.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. Mostly it is garbage pundits puffed up on ego. What happened to investigative journalism?
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:33 PM
Mar 2015

What happened to objectivity and unbiased reporting? Did it just almost completely become a web format only? New kind of HTML code?

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
16. I postedm this earlier today, so, for those who missed it or don't believe it
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:34 PM
Mar 2015
Some of you might want to save this: I'll stand up for Hillary Clinton, here and now

James Carville is an occupational liar, just like his wife, but at least some of what he said here sticks.

There's nothing to see here, at least not enough to make a big fuss about, anyway. Hillary Clinton used a private e-mail account for her state department communications. She turned the e-mails over as required. She asked the government to release them so everyone can see what's in them. No harm, no foul. End of story.

Mrs. Clinton did the right thing. She move to get the facts out there. That should leave her critics with nothing to say. Of course, they will continue to make noise, just as Carville said in the above clip, in between the noise he was making.

If Mrs. Clinton's detractors, of which I am one, want to talk about Mrs. Clinton's close ties to Wall Street, her penchant for seeking military solutions, her unfortunate advocacy for "free" trade deals, then let's talk about those. Those are the matters that give me concerns about her fitness to be President. Of course, the Republicans aren't going to make issues out of those things, because they are even worse than Mrs. Clinton on those fronts. That is why I am looking forward to a Presidential contest between Mrs. Clinton and the survivor of the coming Republican train wreck that will be their primary campaign about as much as I am looking forward to coming down with the flu.

As for e-mailgate, it's just another ginned up "scandal."

mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
50. Thank-you JR, lets talk about issues rather than crap
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:26 AM
Mar 2015

Being no fan of the Clinton's or their philosophy concerning governing a powerful country, please get my B.S. meter off of eleven.






joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
17. This is their job.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:35 PM
Mar 2015

Trumping up faux outrage over fake scandals. And the Clinton's are pretty much the nexus of it all. And that's why the Clinton's are fireproof, the American public will tire of this shit in due course. In the meantime we'll enjoy the tabloid near celebrity type nonsense that it generates.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
55. +1 It's nothing but distractions and drama with Clintons
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:41 AM
Mar 2015

Yet another self-inflicted wound
due to horrible judgement.

After all the previous scandals with Clinton
anyone who thinks her email indiscretions
was just an ooopsie, is ignoring the elephant
in the room

How could she NOT KNOW this would
become yet another scandal?

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
20. She's not fighting the GOP. She's fighting her duty to provide her
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:41 PM
Mar 2015

communications, which actually belong to you and me. She's fighting for Hillary Clinton, which is the only person you'll ever see her really fight for.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
56. Your Crazy, the email is manufactured story, by The right wing and corporation media
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:55 PM
Mar 2015


NewYorkTimes left out facts in the story for a reason, it wasn't an accident!! , they wanted
make money, remember they are famous for having started all the lies
of whitewater that turned out to be just lies. The email with Hillary is just another Fox channel
production. The Media for democrats and progressives is underground,(its us).
GOP and Fox have no ethics, they have a goal to destroy the democrats, that is all, I will
never be one that helps them

Remember, if the GOP win's: people are going to get killed, they want a war, Cotton is owned
by defense contractors.

HIllary's emails is just another stupid story by corporation media. The GOP are like (what Bill Murray said
they are like Vet icon, gofers, and other vermin the will never quit). Don't go over to the other side and
help them by bashing other Democrats For the Sake of every life in American stay focus on stopping the
war the GOP wants to start if they get elected. Thanks Fight! Fight! against GOP wars!!!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. Gee, weren't you one of those people engaging in this very same behavior you are now decrying?
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:46 PM
Mar 2015

Why yes, you were! You said she "has a sad" and was "disinterested in following the law" (ooops, that was a big fail-wrong) and then you went back into her past in an attempt to smear her with ancient history and "guilt by association" innuendo of the worst sort.

And right here on DU, too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026305005

I'm very sorry Hillary Clinton has a sad today.

She voted for the PATRIOT Act.

She voted for the Iraq War Resolution.

She is snuggled up good and tight with organized crime crews like Goldman Sachs that stole our future.

She got the Keystone XL pipeline ball rolling at the State Department.

Personal liberty...unjust war...Wall Street crime...climate change.

Gosh, seems to me those are the signal issues of our time...and every chance she's had to cast a vote or exert influence, she's gone in absolutely the wrong direction.

Now, it seems, she's disinterested in following the law when it comes to governmental data collection. A poster here who claims to have worked at State says it's because she's a Luddite working within a calcified bureaucratic technology, and she's just more comfortable with her Yahoo account, or whatever it is.

If the Bush administration had unspooled that line, this place would have erupted. And rightly so.

So maybe the trick isn't to try to elect the most "electable" Democrat. As Democrats, maybe the trick is to wrestle this party back from the abyss and rediscover a few DNA-level values.

Like protecting personal liberty...and avoiding unjust war...and holding Wall Street to account...and thwarting climate change.

I'm sorry she has a sad today, but my unavoidable conclusion is that Secretary Clinton - based on her black-letter record - does not strike me as the avatar for that change.

Oh, and P.S.: I'm not being divisive. This is the cold, hard truth. Deploy your coping mechanisms as you will. The facts are on the wall. Read them or don't; you're still free, for now.

Let the million flowers bloom.


You might take your own advice, there.
 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
27. "it seems" being the important phrase
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 08:08 PM
Mar 2015

P.S. Iraq War Vote, PATRIOT Act, Keystone XL, Wall Street...still waiting for the justification.

Keep swinging, MADem. You're nothing if not persistent.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. Naaah. The "important" phrase was "has a sad." It all went downhill from there.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 08:10 PM
Mar 2015

I'm not swinging--I'm hitting the bullseye. I can tell by your reaction.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. Guilt by insinuation and association, and context-free, as always.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 08:13 PM
Mar 2015

Why not give us some of your trademark "argle bargle" while you're at it?

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
40. "Guilt by insinuation and association"
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 08:48 PM
Mar 2015

IWR: = "Yes" vote

Patriot Act: "Yes" vote

Etc.

Insinuation? Association?

Black-ink legislation.

You are really shameless. It's a strength...and an indelible stain.

...and I forgot my first rule: don't feed the ___________.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. And she's never talked about those votes, never, ever again, has she!
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 09:05 PM
Mar 2015

Oh wait--she has. But that doesn't fit your narrative, so you gloss over it.

Your remarks are as rigid as someone saying "Can't trust Betsy Warren--she was a REPUBLICAN in 1996!!! She loved Saint Ronnie's approach to markets--never minded his views on AIDS, women, "Welfare Queens," and so forth...!"

See how absurd THAT sounds?

You have the moxie to call me shameless? For pointing out YOUR OWN WORDS, too?

No one is more shameless than you, Will. I'm a rank amateur compared to your prodigious talents on that score.

FWIW, calling me a troll isn't cool, either. I've never been PPR'd and reinstated from this forum--can you say the same? Just because you don't fill in the blank on your little

...and I forgot my first rule: don't feed the ___________.


comment, that doesn't mean one can't figure out what you mean. I won't alert, but it wouldn't make me "has a sad" if someone else did--it would serve you right.

RandiFan1290

(6,264 posts)
53. Jury's in!
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:47 AM
Mar 2015

"Guilt by insinuation and association"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6345491

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling someone a troll isn't cool, and even Will Pitt shouldn't get a pass for it.

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joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
39. Admit it.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 08:47 PM
Mar 2015

You contributed to this spectacle. And continue to do so with the petulant repetition.

Fucking rich.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. I note with horror the whole "Anger is a gift" schtick....
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 09:11 PM
Mar 2015

Of course, I'm using the GERMAN definition of "gift."

It certainly does have that effect on this board...!

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
23. I couldn't agree more
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:47 PM
Mar 2015

the bastion of the "liberal" media, the NYT got Whitewater started, hid Bush's illegal wiretapping through the 2004 election, and now this.

It's really about being the fan I'm not at all or not, but the myth of a liberal media that bugs me. I'm confident that the "clowns" will prove me right.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
28. In point of fact, Newsweek got Whitewater started
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 08:09 PM
Mar 2015

with the help of the American Standard. The NYT definitely picked up the baton, tho.

DFW

(54,564 posts)
24. Remember the Obama Scandals of a few years ago?
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 07:57 PM
Mar 2015

Right, neither do most of us. It was a phrase coined by Fox and Frauds to refer to a bunch of scandals that weren't. They evaporated when the Republicans, Fox Noise and National Hate Radio (pardon my redundancy) decided that the horse they had been kicking was really dead.

In the meantime, 47 Republicans Senators send a letter to the Iranian Ayatollahs in an effort to usurp the President's ability to conduct foreign policy. Now just what do you think the Republicans' reaction would have been if Tom Daschle had been trying to conduct discussions with Saddam Hussein behind Cheney's back? The only subject of discussion to which they would have been open would have been whether to put the Democratic Senators responsible in front of a firing squad or pack them in a gas chamber.

On a lighter note, the kind of note we all need every now and then, Andy Borowitz heard that North Korea's Kim Jong Un is furious with the 47 Senators for not sending HIM a letter.

LuckyLib

(6,823 posts)
49. This is spot on. The Republicans are flashing this shiny object as the smoke starts to rise over
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 09:25 PM
Mar 2015

the mess of the Iran letter.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
26. Back?
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 08:05 PM
Mar 2015
- This circus never leaves town.

It's not about being a fan, or popularity or even electoral winnability.

It's about the rule of law and whether or not it matters to have them, if no one is going to abide by them anymore.

If not, we should stop the BULLSHITTING and admit it.

Stop pointing fingers at others and look at ourselves in the mirror for change.

Things like that..........
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
30. I'm beginning to suspect the rule of law was pushed off a cliff.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 08:11 PM
Mar 2015

Somewhere around between the JFK assassination and Ford pardoning Nixon.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
45. We knew it was going to happen...
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 09:08 PM
Mar 2015

... and it's going to get worse as each day passes. And when she's elected, the wingers will have another one of those back-of-the-dining-room meetings. They'll just make the same pledge as they made on how to "not" deal with PO. And there will be 8 years of it. And the M$M will follow right along, booking their wingers for the Sunday morning shows, asking the wingers questions for them.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
51. I felt that way about Bill Clinton and the witch hunt he went through.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:17 AM
Mar 2015

Yes the MSM was lazy in their salacious reporting, so much so I completely gave him a pass for his reckless behavior. I'm not going to get sucked into the vortex again. Hillary is in this pickle because of her reckless behavior in defying protocol. Yes the MSM is acting the fool again, but I'm not giving another Clinton another pass for a shitstorm they brought on themself.

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