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The Northerner

(5,040 posts)
Tue May 1, 2012, 01:42 PM May 2012

US drone attacks are ‘targeted assassinations’

Rick Rozoff, manager of Stop NATO International has criticized the U.S. drone campaign in other countries as “targeted assassinations” that aim “to kill particular individuals.”

Rozoff told Press TV’s U.S. Desk on Tuesday that the deadly airstrikes in Pakistan and Yemen are “a violation of every Geneva Convention.”

Top White House adviser John O. Brennan, in his latest remark on the issue, has said that not only does the U.S. Constitution allow the president to assassinate people anywhere on the planet, but that the drone program is “legal, ethical and wise.”

“The fact that a leading U.S. official like John Brennan would attempt to justify or even celebrate these mass killings is a moral and political incitement against the government of the United States,” Rozoff said.


Read more: http://presstv.com/usdetail/239064.html


I couldn't agree more that the unethical drone strikes are assassinations but I think they're also assassinations based on suspicion which is disturbing considering that people are relentlessly slaughtered without trial and there seems to be little mass opposition or legislation opposing the continued drone slaughters.
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US drone attacks are ‘targeted assassinations’ (Original Post) The Northerner May 2012 OP
Are you referring to drone attacks under the Bush administration or the Obama administration? The Link May 2012 #1
What is that difference? Illegal is illegal. Vincardog May 2012 #3
the "intelligence" is not impressive G_j May 2012 #2
"The Northerner," do you support Iran's position on LGBT, e.g. civil rights? Robb May 2012 #4
Don't expect an answer RZM May 2012 #8
I would point out that our own country has a problem with homosexuality. The Link May 2012 #10
+1 The Northerner May 2012 #12
How are drone strikes and LGBT issues related? The Northerner May 2012 #11
Would you post links from the Klan's newsletter, then? Robb May 2012 #13
While I oppose all homophobia I think that Press TV does a good job of covering numerous The Northerner May 2012 #14
The Iranian state is homophobic. Your source is its press arm. Robb May 2012 #15
Yes, I oppose all homophobia in addition to any hatred towards the LGBT community but The Northerner May 2012 #16
You are promoting the efforts of a homophobic state. Robb May 2012 #20
Whether or not iran is homophobic, and leaving aside the point that a number of US allies can HiPointDem May 2012 #17
Why are you posting a news source owned by the Iranian government? msanthrope May 2012 #5
Let's see, assassinations used to be done covertly, a la James Bond. randome May 2012 #6
Then again, John Brennan embraced rendition, torture, subverting FISA and immunizng the telecoms EFerrari May 2012 #7
This news source is owned by the Iranian state. Do you normally find them newsworthy and reliable? msanthrope May 2012 #9
Given what our corporate media pukes up daily whatchamacallit May 2012 #18
Wow. Just wow. nt msanthrope May 2012 #21
Okay whatchamacallit May 2012 #22
It seems most people have the impression redqueen May 2012 #19
There are two studies already EFerrari May 2012 #23
 

The Link

(757 posts)
1. Are you referring to drone attacks under the Bush administration or the Obama administration?
Tue May 1, 2012, 01:44 PM
May 2012

I think there is probably a big difference between the two.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
2. the "intelligence" is not impressive
Tue May 1, 2012, 01:46 PM
May 2012

same $$ driven leads that put most of the people in Gitmo..and gave us lies about WMD.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
4. "The Northerner," do you support Iran's position on LGBT, e.g. civil rights?
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:02 PM
May 2012

Since you post daily, sometimes hourly articles from the official press arm of the Iranian government, can you comment on its position that homosexuality is a disease, and that same-sex marriage is immoral?

Thanks in advance.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
8. Don't expect an answer
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:18 PM
May 2012

Shortly after posting this:

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=86479

The number of star members ignoring me went up by one. Of course I don't know who it was . . . but I have an idea

 

The Link

(757 posts)
10. I would point out that our own country has a problem with homosexuality.
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:36 PM
May 2012

And our current President finds same-sex marriage immoral. What does the Iranian governments position on LGBT rights have to do with the subject of this discussion thread?

The Northerner

(5,040 posts)
11. How are drone strikes and LGBT issues related?
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:38 PM
May 2012

While I support equal treatment for LGBT persons I don't see how it relates to the ongoing slaughter of civilians by drone strikes.

How about discussing the OP instead?

Robb

(39,665 posts)
13. Would you post links from the Klan's newsletter, then?
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:43 PM
May 2012

...If the KKK Monthly or what-have-you had a good recipe for cornbread, would you share it with us in the Cooking and Baking Group?

How about the Washington (Moonie) Times' take on the economy? Fox News editorials on infrastructure?

Can you clarify why you propagate a source that is required by law in its country to parrot the government's viewpoints, when so many of those "viewpoints" are unacceptable to any thinking liberal?

Thanks in advance.

The Northerner

(5,040 posts)
14. While I oppose all homophobia I think that Press TV does a good job of covering numerous
Tue May 1, 2012, 03:12 PM
May 2012

occurrences of warmongering, imperialism, and foreign policy-related hypocrisy which the msm usually doesn't.

Aside from some independent media sources such as Democracy Now, The Nation, CounterPunch, Common Dreams, World Socialist Web Site, etc. there doesn't seem to be much of a focus on the ongoing slaughter of people by drone strikes in foreign countries.

And no, I don't post news from the Washington Times, Fox News, KKK, etc.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
15. The Iranian state is homophobic. Your source is its press arm.
Tue May 1, 2012, 03:19 PM
May 2012

Press TV, and its affiliates, are required by the Iranian constitution to represent the opinions of the government. That is no small matter.

It might be one thing to cite a questionable source. But you are citing a source that is part and parcel to a government. You are helping contribute to increasing the reach and influence of a government, not an independent news source.

And this is a government that makes being gay an imprisonable offense.

I'll ask you to confirm: do you oppose all homophobia? Because this is an opportunity to actually do so.

The Northerner

(5,040 posts)
16. Yes, I oppose all homophobia in addition to any hatred towards the LGBT community but
Tue May 1, 2012, 03:22 PM
May 2012

I don't see how that relates to the drone strikes which slaughter numerous innocent civilian and suspects on a weekly basis.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
20. You are promoting the efforts of a homophobic state.
Tue May 1, 2012, 03:35 PM
May 2012

There are, as you admit, other sources that are covering this issue. I will be as clear as possible.

Stop using the one that's run by a bigoted government, please.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
17. Whether or not iran is homophobic, and leaving aside the point that a number of US allies can
Tue May 1, 2012, 03:25 PM
May 2012

be said to be homophobic, I didn't realize that homophobia justified drone strikes.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
5. Why are you posting a news source owned by the Iranian government?
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:06 PM
May 2012

I mean, seriously, Iranian state-owned press????

Do I even have to start listing the anti-gay, anti-Semitic crap they routinely push????

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Let's see, assassinations used to be done covertly, a la James Bond.
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:07 PM
May 2012

Now they are done publicly with drones. Perhaps that's progress? At least it's in the open for all to see!

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
7. Then again, John Brennan embraced rendition, torture, subverting FISA and immunizng the telecoms
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:13 PM
May 2012

for their felony warrantless spying on Americans in America.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
9. This news source is owned by the Iranian state. Do you normally find them newsworthy and reliable?
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:20 PM
May 2012

As Robb noted upthread, they have a rather disgusting view on gay rights, not to mention featuring Nicholas Kollerstrom.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
18. Given what our corporate media pukes up daily
Tue May 1, 2012, 03:30 PM
May 2012

it's probably no less newsworthy and reliable than our own.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
22. Okay
Tue May 1, 2012, 04:12 PM
May 2012

there's no denying their deplorable positions and reporting on some social issues diminishes their credibility. That doesn't mean everything they report must be a lie.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
19. It seems most people have the impression
Tue May 1, 2012, 03:30 PM
May 2012

that such strikes cause fewer unintended casualties than other types of strikes.

In order to build much opposition there would need to be a campaign to prove otherwise.

But hell, where was the mass opposition to the bombing runs which resulted from those no-fly zones (which only the US and the UK set up, the UN did not get involved)? In other words, I would not hold my breath waiting for mass opposition to these strikes/slaughters.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
23. There are two studies already
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:53 PM
May 2012

that refute the Pentagon's slimeball numbers.

I believe one was by a news outfilt and one was by a think tank. Don't remember who but they will come up for you if you search "drone strikes kill civilians". Or, one will and it refers to the other. Sorry, rq.

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