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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 08:47 AM Mar 2015

The CATASTROPHE Bibi Is Courting


"...Israel’s prime minister is in Washington to build American support, bolster his re-election campaign, and (clandestinely) push for war on Iran. He should be careful what he wishes for...."




So Bibi Netanyahu did not back down, and he’s here now in the United States, and he’s giving the speech Tuesday. In doing so, he has forced a true low point in U.S.-Israel relations. As has been often observed, he’s turning Israel into a partisan issue—up to somewhere around a quarter of congressional Democrats are refusing to attend the speech. That’s a crack, a big one. If he remains prime minister after the March 17 elections, the fissures between Netanyahu’s government and Barack Obama and the Democrats will only widen. Congressional support for Israel is due for a reconsideration. As Scott McConnell wrote last month in The American Conservative (an anti-neocon magazine), Congress “does not come close to representing the views of the American people” on Israel, either with respect to Iran or the occupation. McConnell cites all the requisite poll numbers that make the case.


Now, Congress can go a long time without representing American public opinion. On certain big-money issues like banking, that’s all Congress does. But on most issues, Congress at least has to act like it’s listening to the American people, and on foreign policy questions in particular, Congress, and for that matter the president, can’t usually go where the American people don’t want to go. Obama probably wanted to drop a smattering of bombs on Syria in 2013, but public opinion was dead set against it. And remember how the Bush administration had to work public opinion in 2002 and 2003 to make sure the lies about Saddam Husssein’s nuclear ambitions got support levels up to 60 percent or so before it launched the war. So one of these days, in two years or five or six, congressional fealty to Israel will cease being so bipartisan and reflexive—and that will be entirely an outcome of Netanyahu (and John Boehner’s and Ron Dermer’s and AIPAC’s) making. But all that is just politics. Netanyahu is creating a much bigger problem here. Ultimately, he wants war with Iran. And American neoconservatives want it, too. Few of them will say so (although some do—see below). But that’s what they want, and we need to be clear about it.



Think about it. What is the alternative to negotiating with Iran? Well, there is only one: not negotiating with Iran. And what are the possible courses of action under that option? At the end of the day, there are two. Number one, let Iran do what it wants. Number two, ultimately, be willing to start a war to block Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Knowing the neocons’ world view as I’m sure you do, how willing do you think they’d be to let Iran do what it wants? Correct. Not very. That leaves war. There is the step of tougher sanctions as a middle course, but sanctions, even crippling ones, don’t usually change a regime’s behavior. So the clear implication of the anti-negotiation position is war—with a country of 77 million people, a huge army, and formidable wealth. As a point of comparison, Iraq in 2003 had about a third of Iran’s population. As noted above, not many on the right are going to be honest enough to speak openly of war. The Republican presidential candidates, for example, don’t want the American public to think they’re crazy, so they won’t admit this—although interestingly, Rick Santorum became, I believe, the first Republican candidate to call for up to 10,000 U.S. combat troops on the ground to fight the so-called Islamic State.


With regard to Iran, the candidates hide behind the usual euphemisms. But a few war-makers are coming out of the closet. Matt Welch of Reason noted last week that on a panel at CPAC, both John Bolton and new Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton spoke openly of the desire for regime change in Iran. Bolton said U.S. policy toward Iran should be “overthrow of the ayatollahs.” Cotton added that we need regime change and “replacement with a pro-Western regime.” Where is Netanyahu on this? Every indication he’s given us is that he’s on the Bolton-Cotton team. I don’t doubt that the prime minister sincerely believes that a nuclear-armed Islamic Republic would be catastrophic for Israel, and we should not dismiss that concern. No opponent of the neoconservative approach should be foolish enough to think that we can trust Iran. Israel has good reason to be worried. (I will, however, mention here Israel’s own 100-odd nuclear warheads, just on principle, because they always go unmentioned in columns like these.) So Netanyahu wants, at the very least, a bombing campaign. But you know as well as I do that most of the leading experts say Iran’s centrifuge capacities are now too numerous and too geographically disparate for a bombing campaign of the usual scope to be very effective. That means a bombing campaign of unusual scope.





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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/02/the-catastrophe-bibi-is-courting.html
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The CATASTROPHE Bibi Is Courting (Original Post) Segami Mar 2015 OP
"...It seems to be what Netanyahu wants, too... Segami Mar 2015 #1
Perhaps we could invite Rouhani to tell us all about Israel's policies. Orrex Mar 2015 #2
You might be labeled Segami Mar 2015 #6
And once again Republicans manufacture a crisis that jeopardizes the common good and welfare world wide wally Mar 2015 #3
That's a finger in the eye libodem Mar 2015 #4
The war machine needs this Segami Mar 2015 #8
The 1% libodem Mar 2015 #9
I am listening to this nonsense. SCVDem Mar 2015 #5
Bibi says, "Why don't you and him go fight". jalan48 Mar 2015 #7
These people think we can bomb Iran into a regime change??? JPZenger Mar 2015 #10
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
1. "...It seems to be what Netanyahu wants, too...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 08:57 AM
Mar 2015
"...It’s what he wanted back in 2002, when—then as a private citizen—he went to Congress and made the case for war against Iraq. As Josh Marshall noted last week, some of his words from back then are enough to make you shudder: “If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region.”

It had the opposite effect, of course. It strengthened Iran and gave us ISIS. And now we’re supposed to make up for that huge mistake by trusting Netanyahu and the neocons again?

I’m sure Netanyahu’s words will be measured Tuesday. He wants Israel’s levels of support in America to be high, and he wants to win re-election. But don’t be fooled. He and his Republican backers are leading us down a potentially catastrophic path. And catastrophic not least for Israel itself: If this path someday reaches its logical end point, it won’t be only liberal Democrats in America who’ll conclude that we should just let Israel fight its own battles...."

Orrex

(63,435 posts)
2. Perhaps we could invite Rouhani to tell us all about Israel's policies.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:15 AM
Mar 2015

I'm sure that his presentation would be equally transparent and accurate.

world wide wally

(21,762 posts)
3. And once again Republicans manufacture a crisis that jeopardizes the common good and welfare
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:20 AM
Mar 2015

of the American people.
When will they write a book called "Sabotage And Treason For Fun And Profit"?

libodem

(19,288 posts)
4. That's a finger in the eye
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:24 AM
Mar 2015

For ya! There must be an oil pipeline in this story some where. Or more territory. Can they get more Golan Hights or some of Egypt out of this?

What do they want? A Big hunk of oil field and a personal pipeline. Maybe Exxon paid for his flight?

libodem

(19,288 posts)
9. The 1%
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:00 PM
Mar 2015

And the Shadow Government have an agenda.

War Profiteering and for marketing the Arms Cartels.

The rabid and the Rabbis.We have people making policy who believe in bringing about Armageddon and acting on Biblical Prophesies from 2000 years ago. The religious right and their marriage to Israel makes the Islamic Zealots look sensible.

Religious wars are never really about religion. Smoke screen for political activities most usually.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
5. I am listening to this nonsense.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:30 AM
Mar 2015

He should be reminded that this is America and most of the troubles are self inflicted.

Explain the USS Liberty or how Israel obtained nuclear weapons.

Crickets!

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
10. These people think we can bomb Iran into a regime change???
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:03 PM
Mar 2015

I say let's form the US First Chickenhawk Brigade. We can send them into Iran to start regime change, just like the CIA sent Cuban emigrants into disaster at the Bay of Pigs.

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