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Solindsey

(115 posts)
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:41 PM Feb 2015

Victim: "Honest to God, he hates us for what we are and how we look" #ChapelHillShooting

CHAPEL HILL The father of two of three students shot to death in Chapel Hill on Tuesday says the shooting was a “hate crime” based on the Muslim identity of the victims.
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But the women’s father, Dr. Mohammad Abu-Salha, who has a psychiatry practice in Clayton, said regardless of the precise trigger Tuesday night, Hicks’ underlying animosity toward Barakat and Abu-Salha was based on their religion and culture. Abu-Salha said police told him Hicks shot the three inside their apartment.

“It was execution style, a bullet in every head,” Abu-Salha said Wednesday morning. “This was not a dispute over a parking space; this was a hate crime. This man had picked on my daughter and her husband a couple of times before, and he talked with them with his gun in his belt. (Note: The shooter posted a picture of his gun on his facebook page only a month ago) And they were uncomfortable with him, but they did not know he would go this far.”

Abu-Salha said his daughter who lived next door to Hicks wore a Muslim head scarf and told her family a week ago that she had “a hateful neighbor.”

“Honest to God, she said, ‘He hates us for what we are and how we look,’” he said.

Randy Tysinger, a spokesman for Ripley Rand, the U.S. attorney for the Middle District of North Carolina which includes Chapel Hill, said federal prosecutors are aware of the allegations the shooting was a hate crime. But Tysinger stressed that the Chapel Hill police investigation is in the early stages and said the federal prosecutor’s office would wait for more details before deciding whether to launch a federal hate crime investigation.


Read more - http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/02/11/5508121/victims-father-says-chapel-hill.html#.VNuhcPmsU00

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Victim: "Honest to God, he hates us for what we are and how we look" #ChapelHillShooting (Original Post) Solindsey Feb 2015 OP
Let us not forget that a very large portion of this country TEACHES that hatred. randys1 Feb 2015 #1
Side-eyeing #FoxNews right now Solindsey Feb 2015 #4
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2015 #8
Oh great, an open carry idiot, too. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #2
never put open carry and concealed carry people in the same room PatrynXX Feb 2015 #16
Or Muslims with a Fox demented Xenophobe thst was stalking the family. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #18
Gun culture hate crime? onehandle Feb 2015 #3
Just ask DU! BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #5
"I want to ask exactly which law would have prevented this MURDERER from owning a gun?" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #6
Canada, Britain, Australia, Japan BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #11
Yeah, stupid rest of the world and their gun laws and anti-hate speech laws, what could go wrong? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #14
Please elucidate BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #17
Relax, he's one of you; he just left off the sarcasm icon. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #20
That would make you one of them? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #22
Yes. I'm one of those who thinks people have a right to defend themselves as they see fit. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #34
Why not Mexico and pre-McDonald Decision Chicago? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #19
The answer I'm looking for is people not being shot BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #24
And if we ban alcohol they'll be protected from drunk drivers, which is more prevelant. Right? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #33
I must admit I was looking for a real answer, not snark BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #35
It's only half snark. I'm not against actual solutions but I have to respectfully disagree Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #36
I just thought get the red out Feb 2015 #7
Yep. progressoid Feb 2015 #9
Very much a hate crime.nt bravenak Feb 2015 #10
I find it awfully curious that a guy who supposedly "hates all religion" would start bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #12
The evidence is clear enough, a hate crime....and the media is trying to look away. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #13
Just goes to show Android3.14 Feb 2015 #15
And easy access to guns, the murderer was previously taunting the victims with his legal carry pistol. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #21
Extremist in gun enthusiasm as well Android3.14 Feb 2015 #23
+1 That's what it's there for. BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #25
How many times does this happen daily and the folks being terrorized are too afraid to report it, Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #27
Well it certainly happens to women every day who are killed by their abusers BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #29
Anyone care to help me with translating this? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #32
this is what I'm saying. his hatred toward them already is why he shot and killed 3 JI7 Feb 2015 #26
You are wrong...get over it...it was the gun and murderous bigotry... Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #28
That's what i just said JI7 Feb 2015 #30
NOTHING to do with parking. NOTHING. Is that what you said? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #31

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Let us not forget that a very large portion of this country TEACHES that hatred.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:50 PM
Feb 2015

We know who does it and why.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
16. never put open carry and concealed carry people in the same room
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:45 PM
Feb 2015

it wont end well. likely with most of the open carry idiots losing their weapons

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
5. Just ask DU!
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:00 PM
Feb 2015

They'll tell it's those who want to inject some sanity into our laws that are the crazy ones! And we call them mean names too!!! How dare we.

I want to ask exactly which law would have prevented this MURDERER from owning a gun? We are arming crazy, hateful people and shrugging our shoulders when they kill someone. So now these innocent people are dead and the tree of freedumb is fed and no one will do a goddamn thing about it.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
6. "I want to ask exactly which law would have prevented this MURDERER from owning a gun?"
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:02 PM
Feb 2015

Perhaps you have an answer.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
11. Canada, Britain, Australia, Japan
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:18 PM
Feb 2015

All of them have the answer. We're just too stupid and obviously like 2nd world status.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
34. Yes. I'm one of those who thinks people have a right to defend themselves as they see fit.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 07:03 PM
Feb 2015

How about you?

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
24. The answer I'm looking for is people not being shot
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 06:28 PM
Feb 2015

I want to protect myself and those that I love, the same as you do. But my solution is less guns (a lot less), not more. It really is that simple.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
35. I must admit I was looking for a real answer, not snark
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 07:22 PM
Feb 2015

Oh well. I respect your opinion on other subjects.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
36. It's only half snark. I'm not against actual solutions but I have to respectfully disagree
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 08:22 PM
Feb 2015

that stopping good people from exercising their rights is a solution. It's a liberties and efficacy issue. Let's look at data points that may actually provide results, i.e. 60-plus percent of gun homicides are perpetrated by someone with an extensive criminal history. From there we can work towards effective solutions such as the President's recent announcement that DOJ was going to start assisting states in updating their NICS records. From there we should work together in getting NICS opened to private sales.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
7. I just thought
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015

I know that Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill are completely separate institutions, but it was only a few weeks ago that they had the big prayer dispute at Duke. Could that be a factor in ratcheting up a nutbag terrorist like this guy from intimidation to murder?

Just throwing that out there. I also think that hatred of "the other" in this country has a cultural component and not just a religious one. This guy is an atheist, but still, I presume, brought up in the southern culture of the US (as am I). The messages are pretty intense right now.

progressoid

(50,133 posts)
9. Yep.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:21 PM
Feb 2015

I think culture/race has a lot to do with it.

Like the immigration issue. Would people be as angry if it were white Canadians coming here illegally?

bullwinkle428

(20,634 posts)
12. I find it awfully curious that a guy who supposedly "hates all religion" would start
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:28 PM
Feb 2015

his "extermination process" by murdering three members of a very small minority, somewhat oppressed sect (by U.S. demographic standards).

Please. I'm a Jew. If this guy murdered three people walking out of a synagogue or Jewish community center, are we really supposed to believe there weren't any anti-Semitic impulses in play?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. The evidence is clear enough, a hate crime....and the media is trying to look away.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:35 PM
Feb 2015

And why did Jake Tapper and his co-puppet anchor on CNN just now do a cross desk fist punch with each other after saying they will cover the murder of three Muslim students in a possible hate crime - after commercial. "Is it over a parking spot or a hate crime?", asks Tapper, speculatively?

Returning from break the story is about more war talk in Ukraine. Tapper is a corporate con puppet wanting a Fox contract. They all are over there.

I can't breath. A gleeful fist pump after saying that.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
15. Just goes to show
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:43 PM
Feb 2015

It's not religion, but extremism (Christian, muslim, atheist, My Little Pony, etc.) that screws everything up.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. And easy access to guns, the murderer was previously taunting the victims with his legal carry pistol.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:53 PM
Feb 2015

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
25. +1 That's what it's there for.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 06:32 PM
Feb 2015

And I've been told many times that a guy carrying a gun into a public place is absolutely safe and calling the cops or leaving is totally irresponsible. Well I guess these victims were just in the wrong place at the wrong time when that responsible gun owner turned into a murderer. Could happen at any time. And it happens every damn day in this country.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
27. How many times does this happen daily and the folks being terrorized are too afraid to report it,
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 06:35 PM
Feb 2015

because the police are powerless in the face of ridicilous lack of regulation of mobile mass killing machines?

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
29. Well it certainly happens to women every day who are killed by their abusers
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 06:44 PM
Feb 2015

I'm sure it's pretty frequent in heavy gun-owning areas. Why do you think they all need a bigger arsenal?

JI7

(89,391 posts)
26. this is what I'm saying. his hatred toward them already is why he shot and killed 3
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 06:34 PM
Feb 2015

People over some parking .

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