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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMichael Hayden's Hollow Constitution
In a speech at Washington and Lee University, Michael Hayden, a former head of both the CIA and NSA, opined on signals intelligence under the Constitution, arguing that what the 4th Amendment forbids changed after September 11, 2001. He noted that "unreasonable search and seizure," is prohibited under the Constitution, but cast it as a living document, with "reasonableness" determined by "the totality of circumstances in which we find ourselves in history."
He explained that as the NSA's leader, tactics he found unreasonable on September 10, 2001 struck him as reasonable the next day, after roughly 3,000 were killed. "I actually started to do different things," he said. "And I didn't need to ask 'mother, may I' from the Congress or the president or anyone else. It was within my charter, but in terms of the mature judgment about what's reasonable and what's not reasonable, the death of 3,000 countrymen kind of took me in a direction over here, perfectly within my authority, but a different place than the one in which I was located before the attacks took place. So if we're going to draw this line I think we have to understand that it's kind of a movable feast here."
I think I understand.
The Bill of Rights may guarantee certain limits on government today. But if there is a terrorist attack tomorrow, a bureaucrat within the national security state may decide, without asking permission from any elected official, that the people are actually owed less protections than before. The more innocent people that terrorists succeed in murdering, the less our own government is limited by the Constitution. With every attack that the government fails to prevent it gains new powers.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/01/former-cia-and-nsa-director-nsa-doesnt-just-listen-to-bad-people/385007/
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Michael Hayden's Hollow Constitution (Original Post)
Ichingcarpenter
Feb 2015
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Vattel
(9,289 posts)1. Hayden is confused. If the NSA determines what is protected by the fourth amendment,
then we are really in trouble.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)2. Don't forget he trained his upcoming staff for years
And has set plans and policies for his deep state for years
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)3. Mr Hayden has an opinion
one that seems to not agree with the Bill of Rights.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)4. Hayden and his organization is lawmaker, judge and jury
His agencies don't need no stinking badges
MisterP
(23,730 posts)5. la Constitución debe violarse las veces que sea necesario
the National Security Doctrine holds that the "state" is above any people or constitution or rights, and must be defended even if it takes state terror--even if 10% or 100% of the country's killed, leaving noone to rule
good ol' Ollie just plugged into their preexisting network of murder-teachers, Medellín kingpins, and Central American child-decapitators