Have you seen the Discussionist DU threads?

[RobertEarl]

They do have a time talking about DU and a few of our members. If you find one and then click on the "du" link, you will get quite an eyeful of their discussions about their past here and about some of us.

Discussionist.com is quite unusual, I'll give them that.

[randys1]

1. NO way a liberal will last there more than a few posts...

Unless said liberal is careful not to hurt the feelings of racist assholes, then you might be able to stick around there

There are a few with much greater patience than myself who have managed it

[bravenak]

20. I went there today.

Got called every name in the book. Even a simian bi***, about forty nigg***, lol! So, no change there.
If you could see the things the troll pm'd me.... Very creative at times. So many ways to use the n word , but still keep it fresh.

[randys1]

22. And people wonder why someone would go out of their way to find out who thinks

white people are racist and who doesnt.

And who thinks racism is a HUGE problem here and who doesnt.

[bravenak]

23. Oh, jeeze.

The guy even sent me a message, with no nwords, about how much h hates the jury system. Weird. Once i convinced him I wasn't going to retaliate, he started acting normal. Too much! Of course it!/ a huge problem.

[RobertEarl]

125. I like your spirit, bravenak

Knock 'em down and drag 'em out.

One can only hope there are millions like you.

[bravenak]

130. I hope there are too.

You have to shame folks like that, you cannot beat them in their vile games. The internet is full of exaggerated racism.

[pintobean]

25. That's a returning banned troll

He's been banned about 20 times this weekend. There is no mirt over there.
I saw all of that. Sorry you had to deal with that racist pos.

[randys1]

27. I dont know how either of you still have an account over there, you must display

tremendous patience and your tongues must be blue from all the holding...

[bravenak]

38. I figured as much.

I've learned to not internalize the rantings of the racist trolls. Poor guy has no self esteem.

[pintobean]

51. He just entered this thread.

[bravenak]

55. My bad. I think he loves me.

[pintobean]

59. Lol. I loved the user name he chose

Think that idiot made this connection?

[bravenak]

61. Probably not. (I loved that scene)

I just juried him over there. He's still on a roll.

[NuclearDem]

68. Fucking Buzzard.

As persistent as Librarygirl, but nowhere near as funny.

[pintobean]

73. That's because he's stupid

I give library girl credit, she is sharp. buzzard is just a mean dullard.

[CatWoman]

137. Louie Golmert!!

[m-lekktor]

64. oh for fuck sake.

if it were me and i was AA i believe i would find the blatant over the top in your face N word every other word type of thing laughable and annoying more than angering because you KNOW that is the intention, to get a rise and reaction. the more subtle, just below the surface passive aggressive denial stuff i would think would be more infuriating. but I am not AA so i could be out of line assuming that! (i am gay though but not the same thing, different issues)

[bravenak]

66. Well, I WAS laughing at him the entire time.

He had nobody on his side.
He actually pretended that I made it up to frame him. That was funny too. Stuff like that cannot get to me. I hate the sneaky stuff way more.

[SMC22307]

82. The key is to not get emotional.

They're there to provoke, and getting exactly what they want if they get a reaction from you (or anyone else). Why let them get to you?

[onehandle]

2. The 'Democrats' that own DU have created Free Republic 2.

Ad clicks. Ad clicks. Ad clicks. Ad clicks. Ad clicks.

[benz380]

3. DU has given the freeps a better looking/navigating site than their own. They love it. nt

[TheBlackAdder]

5. That's Good. They'll go somewhere... might as well profit from their anger and stupidity. nt

The nice think is that the owners had a database on all of the source sites.

[DonCoquixote]

72. no,and here is why

Those folks are using there to undermine here. They are erncouraging people who get banned to stich up sock puppets, offering moral support whenever a woman or person of color is undermined or hurt. That is not worth the profit, especially when people who kept DU alive through the lean years now see that the food that was saved during the lean years is being given to the pigs.

[LawDeeDah]

75. Well said. a bit short on spelling :) but the message is right on.

I wouldn't feel so good about giving money to a company that now allows racism and sexism all for the sake of the buck. That message is just terrible. Awful. but hey, it's capitalism so it must be okay. Not so much for republicans but it's okay for others.

[DonCoquixote]

76. sorry about the typos

but you got the point

[Tuesday Afternoon]

98. +1

[NuclearDem]

9. Not even Freeperville. Cave 2.0

[Jesus Malverde]

35. Nice insult for the admins...

Comparing it to the cave, NOT EVEN CLOSE.

[NuclearDem]

39. Given the amount of DU trash talking they do over there, yeah, it's Cave 2.0

[Jesus Malverde]

40. Not even close

The cave is mean spirited DUers mocked in the meanest way, you know they are completely different. Exaggerations are not helpful to making your case.

[NuclearDem]

43. No. Half the population on Discussionist is vile, bigoted filth.

Fuck Discussionist.

[Jesus Malverde]

45. I see your anger has blinded your ability to distinguish between sites.

It's not the cave, NOT even close.

[NuclearDem]

58. Hey, you want to hang out with homophobes, racists and misogynists, that's your call.

That place is the Cave with a handful of liberals.

[Jesus Malverde]

90. If you compare it to the FR you might have a point

Calling it the cave is just an insult to skinner and company.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

121. It's Cavers playing nicely in the sandbox

They think they have everyone fooled. They don't. We can smell their musty mom's basement from here.

[MADem]

10. What's with the scare quotes around 'Democrats?'

Last edited Mon Jan 12, 2015, 04:49 PM - Edit history (1)

And what's wrong with "Democrats" making money off the rantings of Republicans? I say it's better for them to fight with each other over there, so we don't have to fight them over here.

And what's wrong with "Democrats" making a living? Don't they have a right to feed, house and clothe their families?

It's an honest living--more honest than clunking them over the head and robbing them, certainly.

[dumbcat]

15. Some things cannot be justified by money

It just ain't right.

[MADem]

16. Well, if we're going to talk about who is a "good" Democrat, and who is not...

I'll go stand with the admins who created this site for us, not with crabbers from the peanut gallery with no record of any contributions here that I've been able to notice trying to tear them down.

Just saying, and all....if we're going to talk about what's "right" doncha know.

[cwydro]

31. yup.

Agree

[Jesus Malverde]

32. +1

Golf clap

[Jesus Malverde]

30. Feed your own self first.

We all make compromises when we work in the real world.

What kind of job do you have?

[dumbcat]

65. I don't work in the real world

I'm retired.

[Jesus Malverde]

89. Did you make some compromises in your working life?..nt

[dumbcat]

99. No

Not about deeply held moral issues.

[Jesus Malverde]

100. Lucky I guess

I'm not sure there is anything deeply moral about DU or discussionist. To me they are web forums like many others. As a news junkie I like DU cause it has breaking news and I agree with most people here. Over at discussionist I see stories that don't get posted here.

I read the cave for lulz, the FR sucks to me cause the interface is so lame.

I really like DU3. I wish they would add the number of page views and the thread start date over on discussionist.

I'm sure you appreciate that DU is an older bunch and discussionist might be more appealing to younger people.

[polly7]

56. There are plenty of great threads over there,

I've found many very, very interesting to read. Quite often the news threads are updated just as quickly and sometimes quicker than here. I guess I find it easier to ignore most of the stupidity, once you realize that probably half the stuff they say is just for the attention it gets them. They're words on a message board, it's not life or death.

[Jesus Malverde]

101. I'm not sure the whole threads are great, I have seen many great OP's...nt

[polly7]

103. I think I've just learned to ignore the right-wing garbage on some of

those good threads and consider the source, there are plenty of good progressives who add a lot of info that's interesting and factual - that is what I enjoy reading. It's easy to ignore the bigots and fools after a little bit, most are just out to get a reaction anyway.

[Jesus Malverde]

18. Thanks for some common sense in a poutrage thread.

The ideological purity brigade is nauseating sometimes.

[randys1]

24. There is plenty to be outraged about with the racist and antisemitic scum at discussionist

[Jesus Malverde]

28. Then deal with it over there my friend.

Threads insulting the site owners for a lack of idealogical purity are discusting and a little bit sad.

[randys1]

33. Well, the thread isnt mine, most of us are just acknowledging all the hate and anti semitism

and i am all for making money off of racists and anti semites

[Jesus Malverde]

34. The making money part comes from page views.

Provocative posts make money. Fawning echo chambers not so much.

There is a game here where those who dont go along with the group think are labeled racists and antisemites. It's a cudgel used to stifle issues from being discussed honestly.

[randys1]

41. you betcha

[Jesus Malverde]

42. indeed.

[MADem]

70. It's rather like taking a crap in the living room after you've been invited in for tea!

I mean, really--if these admins are so "awful," these gripers could just vote with their feet--instead, they shitfling, like they've got a "right" to do that at a private website they don't own and they didn't create, with a Terms of Service!

In the old days, they called that having a lotta Moxie! If they were being polite, that is....

[Jesus Malverde]

91. Strange possessiveness of someone else's property.

[marble falls]

95. That's only being reasonable. I hate shitflings: I stay away from Discussionist. I want moderation:

I stay on a moderated forum, DU.

All speech is free speech if its made without prior censorship. What we have here is protected speech. And that takes moderators. Sometimes I think we are too quick to bump newbies who haven't gotten into how it is here. But I also know how many "first timers" are spouting off to see what they can get away with and for how long.

When I got here I was kind of offended with what I felt was an over active PC squad. Now I appreciate it. I like having divergent opinions without all the rancor and vileness that we could be having here.

If I wanted to defend my opinion with a knife fight I would not be here.

I wish there was a way for everyone here to be on MIRT for a while maybe a week.

The proof of the pudding to me is that I see a lot of megaposters here get juried for intemperate statements about other members. All in all its a functioning system that mostly works exactly the way it should.

I give the "owners" kudos for evolving without "losing the vision thing" or interest in DU.

I'm glad to be here.

[7962]

46. OK that cracked me up. What a term! nt

[Jesus Malverde]

62. Not my term.

Someone else came up with it, I first saw it at DU. It's a bit mean and I probably shouldn't use it. Sometimes though it's bang on.

[MADem]

67. There are lots of us here who like those 'Democrats' who created this place for us.

We probably should pipe up more when the poutrage-purity prudish pundits start trying to give us lessons in what or who we're "allowed" to like.

I always thought progressives had a high tolerance for differing points of view! I guess some of us do--others not so much...

[7962]

77. +1

[Jesus Malverde]

92. "poutrage-purity prudish pundits"

PPPP!

[Warren DeMontague]

120. Yeah. And every time someone here tries to tell me I'm "not supposed to" post over there

I'll give you 3 guesses as to what it is I do, next.

Anyone who knows me, probably doesn't need 3 guesses.

[Puglover]

106. +1000!

I have to laugh when I read this horseshit.

[RKP5637]

19. Helps pay for us too, I guess. n/t

[still_one]

134. worse than FR

[spanone]

4. been there, expunged that.

[City Lights]

6. I quit Discussionist awhile ago and haven't gone back.

Cesspool...

[HughBeaumont]

7. My blood would boil trying to argue with those know-nothings.

I can step over the troglodytes that crawled out of a sewer. It's the anarcho-crapitalists that piss me off more than anything, especially since Disgustionist's ACs never, EVER post any links or studies supporting their idiotic theories. It's always Argument from Assertion ("I'm right, PERIOD. End of discussion.&quot and it's an exercise in nailing jello to a running fountain.

Their leading Anarcho-Crapitalist is (SURprise) also an MRA.

[7962]

48. Whats an MRA? I cant keep track of all the terms anymore!

[waddirum]

53. men's rights activist nt

[cyberswede]

8. That place is a sewer. nt

[CTyankee]

11. It's garbage...how awful for the mods...

[dumbcat]

14. There are no mods

they probably cost too much.

[Jesus Malverde]

26. Probably the cost is "emotional" wastes of time.

The jury system is effective, innovative and allows the owners to focus on keeping the servers running. Spending time rehashing Internet fights in a meta forum or elsewhere is a useless effort for any administrator.

Anyone on the Internet can have an opinion even those with mental illness or lacking in education. It's wise move on the part of the admins. Just look how many ask the administrator threads go unanswered. Half of them are likely passive aggressive attacks on other members or trying to rehash old threads. It gets boring.

[F4lconF16]

104. "Anyone on the Internet can have an opinion even those with mental illness or lacking in education."

Wow. I didn't know that people with mental illnesses or little education don't have opinions IRL, or that they don't matter. Thanks for letting me know.

[Jesus Malverde]

110. In real life you can see what your dealing with on the internet nobody knows.

I don't waste my time arguing politics with dumb people or raving loons in real life.

Do you have political arguments with those people in real life?



Thanks!

[F4lconF16]

113. So now mentally ill and people lacking in education

Are just dumb and raving loons.

Wonderful.

And by the way, yeah I do. My ex-girlfriend's brother is severely epileptic and barely graduated high school. I've had political discussions with him before. A good friend of mine dropped out of high school, and now works a minimum wage job back in Portland. He's got a better awareness of what's going on in the world than the vast majority of people I know. One of my closest friends barely made it through high school and has Asbergers. Easily one of the smartest people I know, but according to you he's an idiot and a raving loon. Another friend of mine has bipolar. Yet another has depression. And another hasn't yet been diagnosed, but there's something.

"Those people" are my friends, and my community.

And you're an asshole.

Goodbye.

[Jesus Malverde]

114. Creating straw men.

A "raving loon" is someone with untreated schizophrenia who hears voices, a dumb person is someone who doesn't know history or geography. I run into both those people in real life and would not bother having a political conversation with either. Why bother discussing politics in the middle east when someone doesn't even know where syria or saudi arabia is on a map.

It seems you jumped into this thread with a chip on your shoulder and now it's degraded into insults.



You might consider taking some time away from the computer cause clearly things are getting you upset and thats not too healthy.

Thanks for your input otherwise, I guess I should have been a little more clear.

[LawDeeDah]

12. Some things should not be done for money.

What may the mission creep to next? Let someone call the President all sorts of horrible names here on DU and have too many people recing it? Oh, wait...

Sorry but getting money for stuff like that opens up all kinds of horrors of what may be okay in the future.

[Luminous Animal]

13. It is a sexist racist cesspool and why I did not renew my star.

I figure if the owners of this site have no commitment to progressives and Democratic ideals, then why put money in their pocket. I've got a good ad blocker and it suits me fine.

[Jesus Malverde]

36. Lulz..nt

[onehandle]

44. Stars are running out left and right.

Mostly left.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Why don't some of you go over there and rhetorically kick their rancid asses...

Our ideas are better than their ideas, aren't they...

[LawDeeDah]

21. I figured out it's a lost cause to try to talk sense to a teabagging rightist fuckhead

back in the 90s. I'm really surprised admin thinks 'discussion' can be had with those things.

[Luminous Animal]

78. Kicking their rancid ass is what I do in real life. I don't need to waste my time

there. Click on the tag "feminism" and look the toxic titles. Where would my time be more productive? Arguing with these clearly fucked up assholes? Or spending my time organizing, agitating, and being an activist in real life.

That place is a swamp filled with anger and hate.

[cwydro]

29. Why?

I don't go to Free Republic either.

I find it curious that people want to link to or somehow direct us into a place we have no interest.

[Jesus Malverde]

37. +1

[Lex]

50. So this is the stuff that's on Skinner's new site?

Wow, impressive.

[7962]

52. I've noticed there is also a paid "Putin troll" over there too

Posts NOTHING but pro-Russia stories. And I mean NOTHING. Never even comments on anything.

[SummerSnow]

54. If you go there you will have to cleanse your soul

[MrMickeysMom]

57. No I haven't...

… and based on this thread, I don't care to re-visit it, either.

I didn't keep my name when trialing it. Personally, I didn't cozy up to it after about 50 posts.

So, I take it that it's a money maker and assholes can be re-cycled. Jeez… may as well just keep making fun of it from here where real discussions still exist.

[Agnosticsherbet]

60. Tried it for a while. When I realized it was becoming a right wing hate site.

I stopped.

[Luminous Animal]

79. Yep. The admins here created a very usable and attractive right wing hate site.

[Agnosticsherbet]

94. If right and left are going to play together nice, there must be moderators who follow

a set of rules.

At best, the jury system is like the Pirates Code in Pirates of the Caribbean, a set of guidelines. More often, it is tyranny by the majority. There are sites I belong to that are moderated. People who are not polite, who resort to name calling and bullying, who do not follow rules are warned, given time outs, and removed when they do not follow the rules.

Stupid people don't last long. Those who stay around are careful when the eviscerate those who disagree with them.

I like DU, but the jury system used here, and at Discussionist, is not moderation.

[UTUSN]

63. 1) No 2) why would I? 3 Did they talk about me - doubt it/flattered nt

[sakabatou]

69. I refuse to go into the wasteland

[DonCoquixote]

71. yes, which is why

I will not give this palce a dime unless skinner and company says what I give will be for HERE, not THERE. It would be one thing if they were simply a coke to our pepsi, but they have become a haven for those who actively undermine us here. Just wait until the next "impartial jury" bands seabeyond, or until someone that looks and sounds a lot like someone banned here, posts there, and then puts up a sock puppet here.

I have no problem co-existing, but I will not arm the people who plan to kill me.

[Ms. Toad]

111. They answered that question. Quite a while ago.

Most recently:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12596692
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12596693

[DonCoquixote]

115. I would love to believe that

and if I may humbly say this, Skinner, if you read this, would you be willing to do a formal post that says this, so that YOU offically state this, so that peoplewho donate to you can feel easier.

[Jesus Malverde]

116. .

[pintobean]

127. That didn't surprise me at all

but it sure is funny.

[Ms. Toad]

117. I linked to TWO post by Skinner.

From the second link above:

Question about the economics of DU/Discussionist -

If you are willing to answer.

Are these separate entities with their own budgets etc? If I donate to one will the proceeds be used to run the other?

I think as a donating member to this site it is a fair question for me to ask.

Thanks, TBF

Response to TBF (Original post)Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:53 AM
Star Member Skinner (60,013 posts)
1. They are separate websites...

...and separate companies.

From the first link above:

Star Member phylny (3,259 posts)

Does my monthly contribution to DU pay for Discussionist?


I haven't been there, and with all due respect, from what I hear about the other site, I'm not going to visit. I would hate to think my monthly contribution is funding it. Thanks for answering.
Go Fightin' Blue Hens!


Response to phylny (Original post)Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:53 AM
Star Member Skinner (60,013 posts)
1. No.

They're separate websites and separate corporations.

How many times do you need to have Skinner say it?

[DonCoquixote]

74. as usuaL

The freepers could not maintain a decent site, so they go to the healthier democratic site, and trick/force them into givign them resources, all the while bitching that the left is good for nothing. As on the itnernet, so it is the nation. If Hillary loses in 2016, I pity the Democrat that will have to clean up after Mitt or Jeb.

[SMC22307]

81. Wait. Whut? Who was "tricked" and "forced" into giving who resources?

(A "whom" probably belongs in there somewhere, but it's late and I'm tired. )

[bravenak]

83. I actually kinda know this answer.

The trolls kept coming out in force whining about us not letting them post here. They kept at it and kept at it. So here comes DI, a place for us to meet in the middle. Instead it is... Not quite that. Some people don't want to pay for star membership, so as to not pay for discussionist in any way.

[SMC22307]

84. OK, that sort of falls under "forced"...

but I don't believe Skinner, et al. were "forced" into anything. And I would really like an example of the "trickery." Trolls have been a part of DU since its inception, based on the posts I see referencing mod-delivered pizza and deleted sub-threads, etc.

These "DI sucks!" threads pop up on DU with some regularity, with much speculation as to why the site was created. Have the site owners actually addressed the reason(s) why they created Discussionist? Maybe it's answered in ATA, but, meh, this is all getting a little too Meta for me. Maybe there's something to the "fawning echo chamber" remark made up-thread, and the owners were looking for more stimulating discussion. I would think DUers would welcome shooting these assholes down, but that seems not to be the case for many.

And if revenue is earned through ad clicks, the owners are making money at both sites, whether starred or not, no? I mean, if members think they're taking some strong stand by not buying a star, are they really?

[bravenak]

85. It might have actually worked out with more moderation.

I try every so often, but I can only get called so many nigg*** or simian bit**** before I give up.
That's probably the reason for the DI sucks threads. It takes much more to out a troll and there's no mirt. And the worst stuff passes a jury with all of the craziness. I say, we should just let the cons have the place and stay away. Nobody deserves to deal with certain folks over there. Not even republicans.

[SMC22307]

86. Ugh, horrible.

I guess it's no different than the disgusting behavior on Twitter, Yahoo, YouTube, etc. Spend some time reading YouTube comments and DU truly seems like paradise. Haven't been to DI in a while -- work, so many hours in a day, etc. -- but it sounds as if the place has been completely over-run.

[bravenak]

87. Exactly, you got it!

Like a Yahoo board. Yep.

[Ms. Toad]

112. Can you link to those posts?

I did a search, and can't find them.

My strong suspicion is that not only were those posts hidden (and are likely "name removed" by now). Anyone that blatant usually gets tagged and banned very quickly.

There is no excuse for that behavior in the first place, but just like DU has some atrocious trolls (mostly banned by MIRT without ever making their presence known t the general community), so does Discussionist.

There are definitely right wing voices there - by design. But it is unfair to tar Discussionist based on its regular and repeatedly banned trolls - just as it would be unfair to tar DU based on library girl, death threat guy, etc. who would last an equivalent length of time but for MIRT.

[bravenak]

129. He's removed.

I cannot remember the title of the thread, but i'll look for it. They call him buzzard.

[pintobean]

131. Silver Buzzard was his first sock

or close to his first. Buzzard seems to fit.
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=profile&uid=101897

and I think this was the thread
http://www.discussionist.com/101479932

[bravenak]

135. I just went there and name removed had replied to one of my posts.

Dork. I cannot understand why that man likes me so much.

[Ms. Toad]

132. That's what I suspected.

Discussionist is not everyone's cup of tea - but the epithets hurled at you there are no more what discussionist is about than the really vile sexually sadistic posts that death threat guy posts here are what DU is about. The difference is that you may not even be aware of that kind of posts here because MIRT cleans them up about as fast as the trolls can drop them.

[bravenak]

133. That's what I was thinking.

No mirt means I got to see all the weird stuff. I swear he internet searched racist phrases to try to get to me. He even indicated that that was his intention. Poor guy. I wish we could donate a life to him so he could stop being a troll.

[Ms. Toad]

136. He's an equal opportunity offender.

MIRT works well here for true tolls.

Unless it was strictly limited to patrolling trolls who would be rejected on any website they posted at, I can't imagine it working there. And because there isn't a MIRT (and removal requires admin action), the troll droppings tend to get a bit higher before they are swept out.

[Skittles]

80. like I would give a fuck what those repuke, racist pieces of SHIT thought

[Prophet 451]

88. I have noticed a pattern with open sites

Any site which A) involves, talks about or even touches on politics and B) has open commenting, the wingers will swarm. It's like a fucking memo goes out. They swarm like locusts, destroying all in their path. They quickly drive out the liberals, who have better things to do with their time than have shit thrown at them. Then, once it's majority conservative, the incestuous amplification kicks in and they get more and more extreme. Until you end up with what DI is now: Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic with an outright murderous hatred of anything remotely to the left of Goebbals and who think Reagan was a literal god.

I first noticed this pattern on the BBC boards and it was confirmed on Beliefnet and it holds true for any site that meets those two criteria.

[Tom Ripley]

93. ^^^THIS^^^

that is indeed the pattern

[alarimer]

96. Which many predicted as soon as that site was announced.

High-minded ideals notwithstanding on the part of the owners.

I can't help but believe they knew exactly what was going to happen, yet did it anyway.

I'm not donating to DU, unless I can be assured that the money will be used for DU and not that cesspool.

[Octafish]

97. Well said, Prophet 451.

PS: Great sig. Absolutely great sig.

[Prophet 451]

138. Thanks, man n/t

[mnhtnbb]

102. It's as though they are addicted to hating and spewing that hatred as far and wide as possible.

Which turns out to mean that they are, by and large, people filled with self-loathing.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

122. True

It's a shame we can't really trap them all in the same hole and then flood it.

[KamaAina]

105. That's "Disgustingist" to you.

[chknltl]

107. I am there (too) because:

l am a member of Discussionist because I think I occasionally have something important to say and I don't think preaching to the choir is the best place to get my message out. I like to think that there are many of my fellow Discussionists who feel that way too.

Discussionist is at it's base, a forum for the citizenry used for discussing things that matter to our society. In practice, the Democratic Underground is the same thing but it caters to a much smaller base. (Mostly Dems here). I'd like to think that those who created Discussionist sought to create a forum that could/would be much bigger than DU-a forum that reaches a much bigger audiance.

[RobertEarl]

108. The progressives usually show up well

It is interesting that in a time when free-speech is at a premium, there is a place like DI to have it all hang out.

I cringe a lot reading what some of the rwingers spew, but then I hear it on the streets as well, so it is a good thing, imo, to make them be forced to eat their spew somewhere safe. Because it certainly can be unsafe to confront them on the streets, and on DU they just get shoveled off.

I would invite anyone to go read DI, but there are some I would never tell to visit DU.

Thanks for the cool reply, chknltl.

[msanthrope]

109. DI is flypaper. Brilliant fucking flypaper. I never visit the site. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

118. It is what it is.

The regular "shut it down" outrage threads around it don't change jack shit.

I post there sometimes. The tag-based format makes it pretty easy to modulate the experience.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

119. No

Only went there once. My guess is the Conservative Cave idiots are the ones behind them. They are obsessed with this place.

[RobertEarl]

123. Many are ex-duers

That, for one reason or another, were excommunicated from DU.

Some got caught up in one of our bad days and said the wrong word at the wrong time. Poof!

Others were trolls that got caught. And then there are the rwingers. They know DU is a premium place and are upset they can't play here. Admins were wise to give them a playground.

[Rex]

124. Meh

[RobertEarl]

126. That's all?

Usually we can count on Rex for some verbatim wisdom.

I am disappointed. <grin>

[Rex]

128. That place SUCKS!

Better?

[Boudica the Lyoness]

139. I love DI

It's nice to discuss different subjects with people from all over the political spectrum.

I highly recommend folks from DU go there and get involved.