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The CIA forced some detainees who had broken feet or legs to stand in stress-inducing positions, despite having earlier pledged that they wouldnt subject those wounded individuals to treatment that might exacerbate their injuries.
Forced Rectal Feeding and Worse
At least five detainees were subjected to rectal feeding or rectal hydration, without any documented medical need. Others were deprived of sleep, which could involve staying awake for up to 180 hourssometimes standing, sometimes with their hands shackled above their heads.
Some detainees were forced to walk around naked, or shackled with their hands above their heads. In other instances, naked detainees were hooded and dragged up and down corridors while subject to physical abuse.
At one facility, detainees were kept in total darkness and shackled in cells with loud noise or music, and only a bucket to use for waste.
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//www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/09/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report.html
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)I am ashamed that this was done by a government that pretends to act in my name. I am outraged that my tax dollars were used to perpetrate this atrocity.
God Bless America??? God Help America!!
There will be blowback. It will kill innocent people. And the criminals who run our government in our name and with out money will get off scot free.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)distinction is small but important:
"Blowback" refers to when victims of our oppression strike back at us but the American people don't understand because the government has lied or covered up the policies that inspired the strike back.
"Retaliation" refers to when victims of our oppression (in this case "torture" strike back at us and the American people have no doubt why the attack is occurring.
For example, the 9-11 attack was 'blowback' because most Americans had no idea that our sanctions on dual-use items in Iraq had led to the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children due to largely preventable diseases (like dysentery), even though two U.N. officials responsible for the "Oil for Food" program resigned in utter disgust over the civilian casualties. Osama bin Laden cited the 500,000 children who died as one of the causes of his fatwa authorizing attacks on American facilities. Americans' ignorance allowed Bush to trot out the puerile nonsense that "they hate us for our freedoms" when the reality was they were striking back because of our actions.
This time, when the attacks come, they will be retaliation plain and simple. Any American who doesn't know that our illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq killed upwards of 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians has had his or her head completely up his or her ass for the past 10 years.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)and 'retaliation' is Chalmers Johnson's three-volume series around the same title. OTOH, it could have come from reading one of several leftist commentators on Counterpunch or Common Dreams. I've had the distinction internalized for so long now I've forgotten exactly where I picked it up.
FWIW, the Chalmers Johnson books are still eminently readable and a propos.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)cannot believe that the CIA was stupid enough to set us up like this.
I also think that heads should role. The report is redacted but the CIA knows who did what. These people do not represent our values and they are dangerous to our nation. Of course the CIA will merely throw someone under the bus and the real leaders will continue to go free. As usual.
Years ago I would have felt somewhat comforted that Cheney and Bush would get theirs in hell but I have a hard time believing that the rich ever have to pay for their crimes.
easychoice
(1,043 posts)The thing is that Muslims will wait 200 years to right a wrong.They don't soon forget an insult.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Rockyj
(538 posts)to keep OUR military industrial complex happy!
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)tclambert
(11,087 posts)It's funny, but it's not funny, too. Weird.
Given the distinction drawn above between blowback and retaliation, the people with their heads up their asses are the ones who experience blowback.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)comes into play. After the left's numerous take-downs of Faux News, anyone saying that Fox was or is his or her sole source of news never really wanted to know the truth about what was being done in their names.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)That supports your original statement differentiating "retaliation" from "blowback." "Known or should have known" could get tricky. I always wondered, "Is George W. Bush really THAT stupid?" Cheney, Rice, and Powell should have known. Bush was probably out chainsawing underbrush.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I had no clue about the distinction either. I appreciate you taking the time to not only define, but provide examples to explain.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Rockyj
(538 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)When someone is breaking your legs, you'd confess to anything including being the mastermind of 9/11 and that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the policy"
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I feel sick.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Absorption of anything beneficial would be minimal--seems it would be a very inefficient way to hydrate. I'm guessing the point of this technique was 100% to humiliate and cause discomfort.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)so you can torture them some more!!! What fun would it be to let them die?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)that the then "negro" soldiers who were prisoners of the nazi's received "extra special treatment" usually fatal in almost all cases, right? The black citizens of post WW1 germany and pre-world war 2 germany and 1933 on were treated pretty fucking bad also. Compulsory sterilization was the most common treatment. POW's of African-american origin were segregated from the white prisoners and treated much worse than the other non-black prisoners, except jewish prisoners. They caught holy hell also, but most know that. My father was in the "Red Ball Express" of Patton's unit. When my father and I were in Vietnam together, we were getting drunk one night and he opened up a little about those times. Quite interesting. Make the germans shoot you if in danger of capture was what he followed as a rule.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)The Nazis are the archetypal White Supremacists, so that totally makes sense. My dad was in WW2, but would almost never talk about it. Poor guy probably had some PTSD.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)pretty horrendous stuff in the "big WW2". We have to have made some pretty unforgiving enemies out of some in this disaster of bushco's making. Especially IF the were innocents swept up in some kind of operation or thrown in the group by one of their personal enemies.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I'm sure he saw tons of dead bodies, dead animals, dead buddies. He was at the Bulge and froze his tookus off. I honor you and your dad for your service!
irisblue
(32,980 posts)WHAT!!!! please at some time, I would be very interested in hearing about his and your service.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)I knew that would be there. Mother****ers...
summerschild
(725 posts)F'kin makes me so angry.
How dare them torture in my name and call themselves PATRIOTS.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)That's essentially what he did just now.
Apparently, feces splitting has a cause in South Carolina.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)Some people are so stubborn.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)the same sorts of offenses when it was US soldiers on the receiving end.
I guess we just have to console ourselves with the knowledge that the torturers were "patriots." After all, the POTUS told us they were so it must be true.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)need to stop being so sanctimonious and start looking forward, rather than backward.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)and not things we did (waterboarding vs firebombing civilian populations, for example). And, as we can clearly see, that is still true today: if we do it, it isn't torture. By definition. 'Cause we don't torture.
See how easy that was?
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)...done by extremely sick, brutal sexual-sadists. There is absolutely no other reason why it happened, then for the disgusting momentary pleasure of evil people in low on up to high, levels of our government.
Blue Owl
(50,407 posts)n/t
BootinUp
(47,164 posts)They were always corrupt crooks to me and that ratcheted up to evil bastards very quickly.
Thats all I got right now.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I hated those bastards even before SCOTUS stole the presidency for them.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I knew it was going on, but reading the details, OMG