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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:19 PM Dec 2014

Eric Garner fallout: Cops feel "thrown under the bus," union says

NEW YORK -- The head of New York City's police union said officers felt "thrown under the bus" by Mayor Bill de Blasio following a Staten Island grand jury's decision not to indict an officer in the death of Eric Garner, CBS New York station WCBS-TV reports.

Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch said the mayor needs to do more to support New York City cops.

"What police officers felt yesterday after that press conference is that they were thrown under the bus," Lynch told reporters Thursday. "That they were out there doing a difficult job in the middle of the night, protecting the rights of those to protest, protecting our sons and daughters and the mayor was behind microphones like this throwing them under the bus."

The mayor said he and his wife, Chirlane, have had to have painful conversations with their teenage son, Dante, about "how to take special care with any encounter he may have with police officers."

"I've had to worry over the years, Chirlane has had to worry: Is Dante safe each night?" de Blasio said Wednesday. "And not just from some of the painful realities of crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods but safe from the very people they want to have faith in as their protectors."

Lynch slammed the mayor's comments, saying "our city is safe because of police officers" and said New Yorkers should be afraid of the criminals, not the police.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/eric-garner-case-reaction-from-new-york-city-mayor-riles-police-union/

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Eric Garner fallout: Cops feel "thrown under the bus," union says (Original Post) Blue_Tires Dec 2014 OP
A more appropriate metaphor would be "Shot at from all sides" Xipe Totec Dec 2014 #1
The Police Officer's Union is what has got them into this mess FreakinDJ Dec 2014 #7
And guess what the strongest unions are in the U.S. anymore? AngryOldDem Dec 2014 #39
I don't suppose we could expect them to comment on out of control officers rurallib Dec 2014 #2
Evidently not.. just whining about reality. Cha Dec 2014 #23
Cry baby response n/t JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #3
Awww, poor things. City Lights Dec 2014 #4
Boo-fucking-hoo n/t nichomachus Dec 2014 #5
" ... should be afraid of the criminals, not the police." lpbk2713 Dec 2014 #6
In many cases it's not an easy distinction to make. bluesbassman Dec 2014 #30
And the two aren't mutually exclusive. NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #34
Well they are alive malaise Dec 2014 #8
Ask me if I care... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #9
those poor, delicate flowers.. frylock Dec 2014 #10
Lynch: "If you're speaking, you can breathe." moondust Dec 2014 #11
Those poor little kids sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #12
"our city is safe because of police officers" Bandit Dec 2014 #13
Yeah...that comment was especially shameful. n/t AngryOldDem Dec 2014 #40
Under the bus huh? Now maybe they understand how so many of us abandoned by the corporate jwirr Dec 2014 #14
You speak truth, jwirr. appal_jack Dec 2014 #52
fuck tha police. nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #15
... napkinz Dec 2014 #16
Yeah, the whiner in the OP needs to get a good does of reality. Cha Dec 2014 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #17
It is too bad they have let police abuse go on for so long, that they haven't stepped up and stopped uppityperson Dec 2014 #18
Oh, fuck them. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #19
.. Liberal_in_LA Dec 2014 #20
the world needs another Serpico right now olddots Dec 2014 #21
This is on Daneil Pantaleo, the "prosecutor" and the GJ.. The police need to look at themselves and Cha Dec 2014 #22
Some cops are criminals, H2O Man Dec 2014 #25
their feelings? really? THEIR feelings? robinlynne Dec 2014 #26
Saw that. His demeanor was atrocious for such a City Slicker. R B Garr Dec 2014 #27
I prefer them in it... Kalidurga Dec 2014 #28
Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. SamKnause Dec 2014 #29
"New Yorkers should be afraid of the criminals, not the police." GReedDiamond Dec 2014 #31
And of course the cop unions and groups just don't get it. On purpose. Rex Dec 2014 #32
How bad does it have to get loyalsister Dec 2014 #33
Wait what? abelenkpe Dec 2014 #35
These fuckin' cops.....nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #36
Fucking hilarious. RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #37
Tough shit. HappyMe Dec 2014 #38
It is foolish to think these people are going to be "reformed" and it is stupid to not get TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #41
The Mayor has not any different a conversation wtih avebury Dec 2014 #42
The Knee Jerk RobinA Dec 2014 #43
Lucky they don't feel "choked to death on the sidewalk." Iggo Dec 2014 #44
Cry me a river, a**hole. 99Forever Dec 2014 #45
"Patrolmen's Benevolent Association" IDemo Dec 2014 #46
Hey, cops. Stop killing the people you're supposed to be protecting...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #47
People WANT to feel safe around the police, Mr. Lynch reflection Dec 2014 #48
Yep. "White". "Cop". All the same. maced666 Dec 2014 #49
Good cops need to unite and stand against marlakay Dec 2014 #50
I wonder if this police organization has ever admitted police culpability in any case in its history aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2014 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author azmom Dec 2014 #53
I understand where both sides are coming from Renew Deal Dec 2014 #54
 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
7. The Police Officer's Union is what has got them into this mess
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:39 PM
Dec 2014

Deciding to legally defend the actions of Every Officer - Every Time regardless of how heinous their actions was just beginning

Issuing bogus reports why officers must "Shot First Ask Questions Later" was their first mistake

Issuing Police Chiefs across the country instructions of how to manipulate the media, the public, and Grand Juries in "Wrongful Death cases - was just the icing on the cake

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
39. And guess what the strongest unions are in the U.S. anymore?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:38 AM
Dec 2014

Police unions. That's why nothing is done in cases like this.

Joy Reed pointed this out on Lawrence O'Donnell.

What people who defend the cops in these actions don't understand is, all this is a prelude to how they will eventually treat the general public, if something isn't done about it NOW. Care to be pulled out of your car and get the shit beat out of you at a routine traffic stop? It can -- and probably will --happen, sooner rather than later.

A lot of stuff can be done -- and excused -- by yelling "public safety" and "law and order."

rurallib

(62,471 posts)
2. I don't suppose we could expect them to comment on out of control officers
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:26 PM
Dec 2014

or offer to help retrain or remove them from the force?

My thought is that shielding and making excuses for the out of control officers makes it more difficult and dangerous for all police. Standing in the way of reform in this matter is a detriment to the union.

lpbk2713

(42,770 posts)
6. " ... should be afraid of the criminals, not the police."
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:31 PM
Dec 2014



In a perfect world.

But unfortunately that is not the case.

bluesbassman

(19,383 posts)
30. In many cases it's not an easy distinction to make.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:23 AM
Dec 2014

Perhaps if there were less LEO's engaging in criminal activity his comment would carry more weight. Policing the police starts within their own ranks.

NYC Liberal

(20,138 posts)
34. And the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:36 AM
Dec 2014

Many times the police ARE the criminals -- even if they're never held accountable.

malaise

(269,246 posts)
8. Well they are alive
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:41 PM
Dec 2014

Let them talk to the folks who lost their partner, their child, their parent.
Until the 'good cops' condemn this crap they're all on their own.

moondust

(20,019 posts)
11. Lynch: "If you're speaking, you can breathe."
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:42 PM
Dec 2014

Dumbest meme of all.

Anyone can do this: Push all the air out of your lungs and see how many times you can audibly say "I can't breathe." It takes almost no air or breathing at all to use one's voice to mumble a few words.

Listen closely to Eric Garner on the video and it's clear that he is in distress.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. Under the bus huh? Now maybe they understand how so many of us abandoned by the corporate
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:58 PM
Dec 2014

rulers feel. They are busy enforcing the laws for those rulers.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
52. You speak truth, jwirr.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:24 PM
Dec 2014

If the police only protect the 1%, why should they expect the support of the 99%?

They are paid with public $$ and entrusted with police powers by the public. They need to serve & protect all the public, regardless of race, gender, class, and all other distinctions.

k&r,

-app

Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
18. It is too bad they have let police abuse go on for so long, that they haven't stepped up and stopped
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:05 PM
Dec 2014

those who treat their employers, the public, with disrespect, abuse.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
21. the world needs another Serpico right now
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:16 AM
Dec 2014

Cops used to get paid by mobsters to break unions , now they are mobsters with thier own union . (Generalization they deserve)

Cha

(297,911 posts)
22. This is on Daneil Pantaleo, the "prosecutor" and the GJ.. The police need to look at themselves and
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:40 AM
Dec 2014

not be whining about the reality of what other people are saying.. including the Mayor of NYC.

R B Garr

(17,000 posts)
27. Saw that. His demeanor was atrocious for such a City Slicker.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:50 AM
Dec 2014

The Mayor has to say something after an NYPD posse is filmed strangling citizens in the street, for God's sake.

SamKnause

(13,113 posts)
29. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:21 AM
Dec 2014

I fear the situation is hopeless.

They won't even admit their is a problem.

They protect their criminal cohorts at all costs.

I have ZERO trust in the judicial system.

I have ZERO trust in the penal system.

I have ZERO trust in the police.

They live in an impenetrable bubble.

In their corrupt world, it is us versus them.

They view us all as scumbags.

They are not interested in earning respect.

I am a 61 year old white woman.

I had a panic attack at my brothers house.

We were dancing in his garage.

The garage door was open.

The music was loud.

It was a beautiful sunny afternoon.

It was my mother's 90 birthday party.

My mother's church friends were there.

I was suddenly gripped with fear.

I could picture the patrol cars pulling into the driveway.

I could picture them with their guns drawn.

I am terrified of the police in the U.S.

I can not imagine what it is like to live in this country if your skin is not white.

GReedDiamond

(5,318 posts)
31. "New Yorkers should be afraid of the criminals, not the police."
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:34 AM
Dec 2014

I agree.

Which means that the police should stop acting like - and being - criminals.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. And of course the cop unions and groups just don't get it. On purpose.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:41 AM
Dec 2014

SO we all finally realize that maybe, just maybe there are more bad cops than good cops? So far I haven't seen a single cop say anything sane about the choking death. Just mean spirited things about Garners weight, kinda like some of the posters you would expect on Freeper website.

If cops don't want to crybaby about life all the time, they better wake the fuck up and start policing their own better and for GODS sake keep the fucking KKK out of the fraternal order of police!

I think we are seeing a lot of skinheads that turned into cops for the love of brutality. I refuse to believe all cops are that blatantly racist.



loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
33. How bad does it have to get
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 02:49 AM
Dec 2014

(as far as behavior) before a union will draw a line and say a member "no longer should receive our unconditional support."?
Aren't there policy standards somewhere? Or would the stand by a domestic abuser, child molester, serial killer???

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
35. Wait what?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:12 AM
Dec 2014

The mayor threw them under the bus? It's not like the whole country has just watched the police kill an unarmed man on video and walk free uncharged and still employed. But the mayor gave them bad press?

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
37. Fucking hilarious.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:28 AM
Dec 2014

They want people not to be afraid of the police? They want better public relations?

Then they of all people should be pushing for ACCOUNTABILITY.

Protecting our right to protest? BULLSHIT. The NYPD were the only ones STOPPING us from protesting.

TheKentuckian

(25,034 posts)
41. It is foolish to think these people are going to be "reformed" and it is stupid to not get
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:41 AM
Dec 2014

that they will use whatever power and influence they have, which is significant, to undo anyone who tries even in the most mealy mouthed and mild fashion.

These fucks are going to have to be brought down and broken. Don't have the stomach for it? Then you are part of and encouraging the problem, a cheerleader for murder and abuse. Might as well get your "pants up don't loot" shirt and kneepads for giving out blowies more comfortable on and look for the local KKK chapter.

avebury

(10,953 posts)
42. The Mayor has not any different a conversation wtih
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:02 AM
Dec 2014

his son then thousands of black parents or, as in this case, bi-racial parents have had with their children. The reaction of Lynch is tone deaf to say the least. If Lynch thinks that only minority families are concerned about police behavior I can probably find a bridge to sell him.

RobinA

(9,902 posts)
43. The Knee Jerk
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:37 AM
Dec 2014

tarring on this thread of an entire group of people because of the actions of a few who make the news for bad behavior is truly disgusting. Kinda like (actually, exactly like) the racism people like to make a show of decrying. If people were really against racism and other forms of grouphate, they'd be against it in all forms.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
48. People WANT to feel safe around the police, Mr. Lynch
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:16 AM
Dec 2014

the fact that they don't is not the peoples' fault, it's the fault of bad cops and those who cover for them. Simple, no need to overthink it. And no need to pout and cry. Either clean your own house or the people will eventually make sure it is done for you. We want good honest cops working the beat instead of a bunch of thugs. That's all.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
49. Yep. "White". "Cop". All the same.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:18 AM
Dec 2014

Little racism coming out as well, with all the 'white cop' 'all white cop' quotes we see.
Exposure.
I see you!

marlakay

(11,526 posts)
50. Good cops need to unite and stand against
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:29 AM
Dec 2014

What is happening or things will get worse...by saying nothing except to family members or friends, they are going along with the violence.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
51. I wonder if this police organization has ever admitted police culpability in any case in its history
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:14 PM
Dec 2014

or whether it should be renamed the Police Infallibility Union.

Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Renew Deal

(81,890 posts)
54. I understand where both sides are coming from
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:56 PM
Dec 2014

I was surprised by DiBlasios remarks. He is the head of that police department and I think it shows a shocking lack of confidence. I'm sure DiBlasio had that discussion, but he shouldn't have brought it up in this way. He's trying to relate to the people on the streets. We know there is a national problem. But he has to also understand his role as the leader of that department.

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