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At this point, its not entirely clear what the folks nominally in charge of this infamously disorganized party are trying to do by elevating Warren. Because the former Harvard Law professor has been prominent in liberal circles since the launch of her brainchild, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, it can be easy to forget that shes only been in Congress for a couple of years. And coming as it does after a truly disastrous midterm showing, this seeming vote of confidence from Democratic bigwigs has the risk of being a glass cliff situation. My former colleague Brian Beutler, for example, has guessed that Senate Dem leadership may have opted to bring Warren into the fold because theyll need a popular spokeswoman to deliver the next two years worth of bad news to the professional left.
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Still, even if Warrens promotion isnt motivated entirely or primarily by idealism and generosity, it could nevertheless be a major turning point for activists looking to push the Democratic Party in a more left-wing direction. After many years of kvetching about their paltry influence and following decade after decade of enviously watching the conservative movement refashion the GOP in its own image lefty ideologues and organizers now have the chance to turn Warren into a kind of trojan horse for a resurgent politics of economic populism (or, as it used to be called, liberalism). And if they adapt and adhere to the script used many years ago by visionary right-wingers, who famously responded to an electoral drubbing in 1964 by staying the course and propelling a true believer to the White House less than 20 years later, it just might work
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Perhaps more than anything else, though, what lefty activists should learn from their right-wing counterparts is this: In a dysfunctional two-party system such as ours, in which voters are perpetually unhappy and ready for any excuse to throw the bums out and start all over, its only a matter of time until the losers of yesterday are once again ascendant. And as the GOP has shown in the years since its back-to-back wipeouts in 06 and 08, responding to electoral defeat by moderating is no longer necessary, while moving further away from the center is no longer a death sentence. Now that they have a political superstar and ideological true believer as their behind-the-scenes agent, lefty activists with an eye on the long term have a chance to, in the words of Warren, frame the issues for the next few elections and ultimately make the Democratic Party truly progressive.
http://www.salon.com/2014/11/15/its_elizabeth_warrens_party_now_how_to_remake_it_in_the_liberal_heroines_image/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)... can be laid at her feet. And will.
BKH70041
(961 posts)That phrase alone should put any potential concerns at ease.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And the phoney "progressives" will have forgotten about 2014, just as they have 2008.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)In another lame attempt to lash out at liberals here
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think the party is just being more RESPONSIVE across the board, and that's great.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Like the 2014 elections being laid at the feet of the Third Wayers including Hillary and then they immediately send out their shills blaming the voters.
Rex
(65,616 posts)What a shock that they are just lying, I mean who could have guessed all they are really here to do is hate on liberals.
pampango
(24,692 posts)My impression is that Third Wayers think liberals have little power and are quite happy about it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)the libertarians are on here in force saying they have no chance. Once the liberal wins, then it shifts to us not liking the person because they are not pure enough.
Now we have Warren and Bernie as serious contenders and it has the libertarians here scared to death.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Probably one of his RWing talking points!
peacebird
(14,195 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Great OP.
If I were to summarize it into 4 words, it would be: PUT IN THE WORK! ... Which is why the advice will come to naught. It is far more simple to cry in the wilderness.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)These liberal insiders had some interesting takes on her~
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/218134-left-blasts-hillary-clinton-in-secret-emails
...And she's really into being a hawk~
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/america-ready-hillary-hawk-n82951
...And outsourcing American jobs overseas~
http://michaeledrake.blogspot.com/2013/12/obama-and-hillary-clinton-should-scare.html
...Did I mention she loves Monsanto?
http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/626639 <<<really good lettter
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Information on issues important to her, how she voted, what she has worked on to make a better life for the 90%, and if you would have followed the site to the end there is a chart of where she is rated and would have found she is quiet left. BTW, some of these occurrences happened before she ever ran for any office.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Very funny.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Would you like to see the minimum wage increase?
Are you happy with the wage disparity?
These are just a couple issues she stands left, she I a liberal, plain and simple.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)on behalf of Walmart's women workers, didn't she?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)She also pushed for the Buy America while she was there. Things in the interest of the middle class.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Now that I think about it, no I haven't ever done that.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Then it further qualifies her to serve on another board, as in presidential cabinet. Oh, she served on the presidents cabinet also, her resume has grown a lot in her life. The board makes decisions about things on the Walmart board to "Buy America", she has left the board and Walmart does not have "Buy America", an example of her work to buy products made in America by Americans, helping provide jobs. She pushed for promoting women, another action of helping the American workers. I like a candidate who helps American workers.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)jobs via the TPP. You know this, since you know so much about Hillary.
So then it follows you know this as well~
September 15, 2014 Daniel Mills
There could be good news soon in the made in America movement. The shoes American soldiers wear when they train for combat may soon be all American made. The creator of the shoes may be New Balance, a shoe company that has long lobbied for the U.S. to change its policies to only allow American made shoes to be worn by our military. But this small victory will be very short lived if the TPP passes.
The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a free trade agreement that will bridge together a handful of countries Australia, The United States, Japan, Brunei, Chile, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, Mexico and Canada. Free trade means unrestricted, uncontrolled access to our economy, tariff- and duty-free, for goods made for $4-per-hour or less. Our manufacturers cannot compete with these wages so they are forced to choose between going bankrupt, outsourcing nearly all of their manufacturing, or simply selling out.
http://economyincrisis.org/content/the-tpp-to-stop-made-in-america
It truly sickens me that she may be our next president. At least the rethugs are honest about being rethugs.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Did you know she for pulling tax breaks for companies who offshore? She also wants to pull subsidies to companies who move offshore. Bet you did not know this about her.
In fact you can read and find much more about Hillary on the following site:
http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm
Let me add this also, she was on the presidential cabinet through 2012.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Yet the TPP excludes China, which has become the second largest economy in the world and is poised to outpace the U.S. economy in a matter of years a fact that is none too pleasing to U.S. elites accustomed to unrivaled hegemony.
http://fpif.org/open-fire-open-markets-asia-pacific-pivot-trans-pacific-partnership/
Promoting TPP to China, because Big Busine$$ wants an even playing field, like mentioned above~~
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1084966/hillary-clinton-courts-asia-welcomes-china-us-led-trade-talks
Selling TPP to Japan~
http://still4hill.com/2013/01/18/video-hillary-clinton-with-japanese-foreign-minister-fumio-kishida/
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)My point wasn't that she promoted TPP, that's a GIVEN, we know that. Its that she wants to take away "Made in America" because that is what TPP would do. And I posted a link for that.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)You made another post about TPP and I said your post did not show a relationship between Hillary and TPP. You are jumping to conclusions.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)That was my point. Is it sinking in yet?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)she's very publicly for the TPP. That makes any rhetoric about being 'for Made in America' obvious bullshit. There's a big difference between actions and words, and promoting the TPP is an un-spinnable action.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Its passage was followed by the only increase in median income in the past 40 years.
TPP would hopefully be more of the same.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)And it was already rising before it's passage (according to your graph).
I hope the TPP doesn't yield the same results as NAFTA.
In fact I won't vote for any politician who votes for the TPP.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And the median wage was where it was in 1977. It shot up after that. Even after the great recession it hasn't fallen back to the 1980s levels.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)trade deals = bad! Period!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)There's a lot of components here and they have to fit together.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)he's right-wing of the Democratic Party -- way to the right.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)If you repeat it often enough, maybe you'll convince some one.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)The latter has had me and many in my profession getting screwed for a decade or so now. Finally just got another job again so that I don't go completely broke. For me it's pretty f'ing personal!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)A chart which rates the candidates, she is listed as a hard core liberal, in fact about the same position Warren is in the chart. If you do not stand on the issues Hillary stands on then you are not liberal.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)And he's ranked higher the 93% of congress in being "liberal" on economic issues? WHAT A F'ING JOKE that poll is!
Since when is supporting H-1B program a "liberal" thing to do! Liberals don't like to have their politicians sell out their jobs in that fashion!
That rating system is a joke. WHERE is there a criteria posted on how each of those "economic", "social", or "foreign policy" ratings arrived at?
Note how some point out in Huffington Post say this poll is a joke too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/07/national-journal-rankings_n_4746688.html
Even conservatives in Red State laugh at this poll. It seems to reward how partisan one votes along with the party, "Democrat" vs. "Republican" as opposed to "liberal" vs. "conservative" ideology.
http://www.redstate.com/diary/Erick/2012/02/24/national-journals-self-beclowing-they-should-be-embarrassed-by-their-ideological-rankings-of-candidates/
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)not being liberal. We can be smart and keep people who are specially trained or deport then to other countries to work to improve other countries. You can pick and pick to find a point in a haystack to trash anyone, it is easy to do. We have companies moving jobs off shore and with our sending specialty trained to them to be used in their offshore plans. We have to realize lots of work can be performed without a person being on site, why not keep the tax base here in the US. Why accommodate corporations in locating elsewhere because we sent the workers out of the US.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Whether we offshore jobs, or we inshore them with these kind of programs that between both of these strategies DEVALUE the labor force everywhere, I'm sorry, but anyone that calls H-1B a "liberal" program is off their rocker!
We also have to realize that we could keep a lot of jobs here in this country if we would bring back the founders' strategies of leveraging tariffs which most other well doing developed countries still do today except us through various means like VAT taxes. Schumer over and over again being the Democrat that makes H-1B expansion of just about every immigration bill is NOT liberal when he does that! I'm sorry, but that in my book, even if everything else he does is liberal (which it is not) would take him out of the #1 spot of any VALID poll.
As I note with the two links I posted, it is pretty bipartisan the reaction of many out there that this poll is not an accurate assessment of how "liberal" or how "conservative" politicians are.
If instead of all of these laws like the free trade laws and throwing away tariffs to help corporations make more profits and shelter them overseas (along with their manufacturing and headquarters locations) we would have them pay a price for these strategies in forms of tariffs, that would be the way to bring back labor here and pay them fair market wages so that it would be measurable to keep the divide from being too wide here which it is when the wealthy reward themselves too much and inflate our markets beyond what most working class people can afford to have the kind of middle class life style they used to have before Reagan's time.
H-1B programs are about *temporary* work arrangements of foreign nationals here, NOT them "immigrating" here. That is one big reason why it doesn't belong in an *Immigration* bill because it really isn't about immigration issues, other than it serves as a means of companies still being able to use union labor, and have LESS people immigrate here than they might otherwise. H-1B IS accommodating corporations in effect training foreign workers here and in effect sending their earnings out of this country, and them being trained here before going back to companies overseas when they are done with their H-1B "tour of duty" here.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations. If a foreign worker in H-1B status quits or is dismissed from the sponsoring employer, the worker must either apply for and be granted a change of status to another non-immigrant status, find another employer (subject to application for adjustment of status and/or change of visa), or leave the U.S.
The regulations define a "specialty occupation" as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor[1] including but not limited to biotechnology, chemistry, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelors degree or its equivalent as a minimum[2] (with the exception of fashion models, who must be "of distinguished merit and ability" .[3] Likewise, the foreign worker must possess at least a bachelors degree or its equivalent and state licensure, if required to practice in that field. H-1B work-authorization is strictly limited to employment by the sponsoring employer
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)& EASILY disproved.
Hmmmm
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)If you're not a "hard core liberal", then how come you are supporting one by your own words!
Answer? Neither of you are as liberal as you are trying to make her out to be.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Take a few minutes to look at Hillary, Warren and Bernie on the issues, I am not the one who rates the them, I am more to the moderate.
Ink Man
(171 posts)and Elizabeth has been asked to sit at the adult table because uncle Bob is snowed in and missed the dinner. At the Christmas dinner Elizabeth will back at the kids table.
IMO
The people running the show don't want her there.
JI7
(89,268 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Let that one sink in.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)I call you out on that one. Numbers that are spewed out with no reference mean NOTHING!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)When I get online I'll send a link.
You seem so concerned but this should bother you enough to dig for yourself.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)http://www.nationaljournal.com/2013-vote-ratings/why-elizabeth-warren-isn-t-the-most-liberal-senator-20140206
http://thatsmycongress.com/senate/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=160x1830
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/08/10/369633/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Liberal-Ranking
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Schumer tied for first who absolutely LOVES teaming with Republicans to expand H-1B Visa quotas when they get voted on? Sheesh!
And where are senators like Merkley, Sanders, Warren, Harkin, and others I'd put ahead of these 15. And Sherod Brown near the bottom of this list?
No criteria published in how they arrived at these "ratings". More like corporatist marketing labels to try and push this propaganda.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)shall be immediately discarded as crap ... not refuted, just discarded.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)1) Senators have all become more liberal, thus being distinguished by the liberal ratings groups is more difficult. Of course, this would be a good thing overall, so many might not like it.
2) Senators aren't voting on as much liberal legislation as before, because Congress is deadlocked (thus forcing Warren to be in the same ranking as Third Way Mark Udall). This would be the go-to "excuse" but when you look at That's My Congress there are still plenty of pieces of legislation that so called "liberals" aren't co-sponsering.
3) Clinton is more liberal than Warren. This of course is impossible to comprehend for some here, but, you know, given that Warren keeps playing the safe card, I think it's likely.
Pick your poison. Either way the rankings are by liberal organizations and they are simple objective measures (based on policy positions either supported by or voted on by politicians).
In reality? It's probably a mixture of the three in some way or another and Clinton and Warren have similar policy positions and in fact that might explain why Warren wouldn't have a problem with a Clinton presidency. Politicians aren't evil shrill mongrels who want to destroy you. They want to do whatever they can to make things better.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)not because she is actually more liberal than Clinton (as the data shows otherwise), but because she says the right words in her singular focus. That is one of the advantages of being a seating Senator that hasn't declared for a "higher" office ... you get to specialize; rather than, be a policy generalist, and the media only goes to you when they want your staked out position.
Folks here are proving to be closer to single-issue voters, no different from the gun-folks or the bible-folks ... that is fine; but it doesn't make them representative of any larger group ... no matter how loudly they type.
Number23
(24,544 posts)A weapon rarely seen around GD these days.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Almost forgot to post those links!
brooklynite
(94,729 posts)As one of the 1%ers who supported Warren's campaign, I don't have an objection to any of her policies that I can think of. I'm adding the perfectly reasonable factor of which of the two can actually get elected. You may be willing to take the risk of a President Cruz to try and get Warren elected, but I'm not when Clinton is available.
FWIW, I think you'll find that Clinton and Warren are pretty close on "real": policies (as opposed to the blogosphere hyperbole that gets thrown around). Otherwise, why would Warren say Clinton would be great as President.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Let's ignore for a moment that so is EW and Bernie.
Iamthetruth
(487 posts)Just saying
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)Elizabeth is perfect to build a 50 state strategy around.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)In what sense? She's +48 / -39 in MA and less popular in other parts of the country.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)...that the transparent honesty of both is a large part of this.
I'm certainly not knocking HRC, or any other Democrat for that matter. (Both Dean & Warren support HRC, and an increased role for Dean and Warren would be good for HRC, the Democratic Party, America, and the world.
An increased role for Warren and Dean will help whoever is the 2016 Democratic candidate, in my view.
Their presence and influence will inspire a demoralized electorate, generate support for Democrats across the board, and make it easier for other candidates to have the courage to do right.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)She is the type of progressive that we can get into office only in more open minded states. If the aim is to be competitive in all races in all states, a true progressive is more of a bonus.
Warren's positions would not be remotely competitive in my part of PA. Taking someone cut from the same cloth as Warren and running them for a House seat in my district would be a recipe for complete failure. The best that could come from my area (and other less progressive areas) would be a blue dog. The entrenched ideas of the populace won't vote for anything more, and given the mass of closed minds it will take several lifetimes to make a meaningful change around here.
A 50 state strategy is about running the most progressive candidate that can actually win. I think a lot of people here forget this last part. There is a opinion that those who vote against their own interests time and time again are just ignorant and stupid. Judging by the conversations I have with family and neighbors, they know full well they are voting against their own interests. They do so because they feel that the programs which could assist them (and other non-rich) are immoral. I have heard of welfare, subsidized housing, and other support programs as theft. Even though they would be eligible for for assistance, they refuse because they have some convoluted logic that makes them think they would be stealing from someone to accept it. This isn't a matter of simple ignorance, its deep seated belief winning over logic. And that is something that is not quickly changed. These people will never vote for the Warrens of the world, and many districts have enough people like this to control the election. A true 50 state strategy is about not giving up on less progressive districts or states, its realizing that if we can't get a Warren we should try for a Joe Manchin because that is still a huge improvement over a Rand Paul.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)The full throated patriotism of Warren and Dean will help Democrats across the board, including helping blue dogs win against Republican crazies.
A higher presence of Warren in the Democratic Party, and in the Senate, will be good for America, good for the Senate, and good for the Democratic Party, including blue dogs.
This is not about shutting out blue dogs. That is not Dean's approach, and it is not Warren's.
Elizabeth Warren and Howard Dean both support HRC, and will be immensely helpful to her.
Without the full throated presence and higher profile of Warren & Dean, blue dogs will be weaker against the GOP, not stronger.
Dean's approach is the 50 state strategy, and the abandonment of the 50 state strategy since he was replaced has been a disaster.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Response to ashling (Original post)
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Right now it's Barack Obama's Democratic Party. In 2016 there will be a successor.
Elizabeth Warren is great. But she is a relatively junior member of the minority party in the Senate.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)with many younger members of the Democratic Party who aren't compromised to big corporate lobbyist money.
When we have the old guard like Tom Harkin being replaced with the likes of Joni Ernst, we can't just put "years of experience" as a barrier to getting back real Democrats to help lead our party out of the corporatist cancer infected mess it has become over the years.
And if you want someone who has more years of experience understanding the plight of the middle class, I think that Warren has had that experience differential greatly over many of our politicians when you consider the work she'd done before she entered politics. Those who question her experience in this area should look at this video made before Obama got elected and before she was even on the radar for a position in government.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)i.e., OPs that provide prescriptions for moving forward ... that involves, actual work, am I reminded of a football team I played for as a freshman and sophomore?
The coach installed the offense and defensive schemes, and a segment of the team spent most of their time walking through the drills and talking about how the coach only played the upper-classmen (with the exception of a few under-classmen that worked hard during practice), and talking about how hard hitting the other team was.
Unsurprisingly, that was a losing team.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) on Wednesday voiced her opposition to President Barack Obamas top international trade nominee because of a secretive free trade agreement.
I am deeply concerned about the transparency record of the U.S. Trade Representative and with one ongoing trade agreement in particular the Trans-Pacific Partnership, she said on the Senate floor.
The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) has been negotiated behind closed-doors for years by trade representatives from Australia, Brunei, Chile, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States, and Vietnam. Though the free trade agreement could have wide ranging consequences on workers and consumers, the public only knows a few details of the treaty thanks to leaked documents.
I have heard the argument that transparency would undermine the Trade Representatives policy to complete the trade agreement because public opposition would be significant, Warren explained. In other words, if people knew what was going on, they would stop it. This argument is exactly backwards. If transparency would lead to widespread public opposition to a trade agreement, then that trade agreement should not be the policy of the United States.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/warren-on-trans-pacific-partnership-if-people-knew-what-was-going-on-they-would-stop-it/
Ya gotta love her!
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)http://www.thenation.com/blog/179885/elizabeth-warren-reveals-inside-details-trade-talks
She sounds like she's running for president, doesn't she?
(Al Franken would be good too, imo....ABC)