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to the Hillary Supporters (Original Post) backwoodsbob Nov 2014 OP
"another" PUMA election? Most Hillary supporters last time voted for Obama. Why would this be stevenleser Nov 2014 #1
You should ask the anti-Hillary people this question because they are the ones saying they won't vot hrmjustin Nov 2014 #2
agree....thats the better more interesting question.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #63
I beg to differ Aerows Nov 2014 #83
I won't give her money either but that is because I never give politicians money. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #84
I won't dedicate energy into helping her get Aerows Nov 2014 #85
There will be a primary but I think it is becoming a bit clearer that Warren will not run. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #86
O'Malley? Aerows Nov 2014 #87
There will be a primary. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #88
True, too much fretting beforehand Aerows Nov 2014 #89
O' Malley is Corporate candidate B Vattel Nov 2014 #95
Of course. Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #3
We have a winner. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #5
Rather like his should I breed my epileptic 2 lb dog at first heat thread? uppityperson Nov 2014 #92
Saw that. A pattern. Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #4
Anyone who doesn't support Hillary is a sexist now backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #7
Don't forget ageist was mentioned too. boston bean Nov 2014 #8
EW isn't that much younger than HRC backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #10
Didn't say you were, just seemed you didn't have a problem with boston bean Nov 2014 #11
My only problem is with people backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #16
Well, speak to those people. Cause I don't think I've ever told you to shut up. boston bean Nov 2014 #17
you know exactly what I mean backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #18
No I don't know exactly what you mean. boston bean Nov 2014 #20
If EW wins the primary backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #22
ah duh! YES. boston bean Nov 2014 #23
good answer backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #24
True answer, not just a good one. Secondly, boston bean Nov 2014 #26
I'm not trying to make anyone look bad backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #31
actually you would be wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #74
That would be an accurate example of the "PUMA" crap you mentioned in your OP. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #97
I will support and vote for ANY Democrat who wins the primary. What I won't do BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #44
+100000 Andy823 Nov 2014 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #14
no anyone who doesnt support whoever wins our VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #37
Bingo, Vanilla. You hit the nail on the head. BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #47
I dont take them seriously...yet they VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #53
This seems very extreme sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #51
if you call the truth extreme I guess.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #55
Not a sheep at all....a Left-leaning Independent...much different. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #76
It's interesting that you posed this question, BWB, given this post in the past: moriah Nov 2014 #81
Funny thing here is the most zealous Obama supporters boston bean Nov 2014 #6
welcome to my ignore list which I reserve for posers VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #34
did you mean to respond to me. boston bean Nov 2014 #39
nope its the truth....and you know it VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #41
WTF are you talking about? Re-read what I wrote where you originally responded. boston bean Nov 2014 #45
are you going to vote for whomever wins the Primary? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #46
Yeah, and I'm supporting Hillary.. WTF???? boston bean Nov 2014 #48
okay i take it back...I misunderstood you VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #50
fine. boston bean Nov 2014 #54
however easy to see how that could VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #57
whatever. you attacked and didn't stop. it's over, you misread, we should move on. boston bean Nov 2014 #58
Boston Bean has been a faithful Hillary supporter fadedrose Nov 2014 #96
I'm reading it wrong too. Control-Z Nov 2014 #62
Read it in context as a response to the OP. boston bean Nov 2014 #66
You are right I have NOT seen that to be the case at all... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #72
Use " quotation marks" bahrbearian Nov 2014 #91
ROFL backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #42
i might have misunderstood ..but that can be clarified VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #49
what is there to clarify? backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #64
only because i misunderstood and i wasnt VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #69
I have already stated backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #71
Even if it is Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #73
if HRC wins the primary backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #75
Yes as I always do....Barack Obama wasn't my choice last time..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #78
lol, that was classic. Marr Nov 2014 #94
I support both. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #82
LOL nobody wants to answer the question? Rex Nov 2014 #9
same here backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #12
what do you find funny about zero dsc Nov 2014 #33
What do you think of Warren and Sanders supporters who say they can never support Hillary in a hrmjustin Nov 2014 #43
I will support the nominee. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #29
hello Fellow True Democrat VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #61
I'm glad you will. But I've seen lots of threats not to vote for Hillary if she was nominated. moriah Nov 2014 #80
Of course I will vote for the nominee gwheezie Nov 2014 #13
to backwoodsbob, are you still beating your wife? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #15
to wyldwolf backwoodsbob Nov 2014 #25
Yes. n/t GP6971 Nov 2014 #19
Bob is there a time limit? gwheezie Nov 2014 #21
he thinks he's being clever wyldwolf Nov 2014 #27
To be clear I will vote for Warren gwheezie Nov 2014 #28
I will support whoever the Democratic nominee is still_one Nov 2014 #30
unequivically yes VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #32
+1000 baldguy Nov 2014 #70
I'm not a Hillary supporter. I'm a Democrat. MineralMan Nov 2014 #35
Hillary supporter here. Will vote for the nominee redstateblues Nov 2014 #36
Hear, hear! Little Star Nov 2014 #40
second that... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #59
Yes. n/t Adrahil Nov 2014 #38
What is a PUMA election? Control-Z Nov 2014 #52
In 2008, when Obama got the nomination... Scootaloo Nov 2014 #60
I think it's the one obama won gwheezie Nov 2014 #67
Another PUMA ... mylye2222 Nov 2014 #56
I will support the Democratic nominee for President of the United States baldguy Nov 2014 #68
As I did in 2008, I will vote for the nominee. moriah Nov 2014 #77
It is the PARTY, not the Person HockeyMom Nov 2014 #79
If she is the nominee, I will vote for her. I probably will not donate time or money, but it's not Pisces Nov 2014 #90
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
1. "another" PUMA election? Most Hillary supporters last time voted for Obama. Why would this be
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:36 PM
Nov 2014

different?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
2. You should ask the anti-Hillary people this question because they are the ones saying they won't vot
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:37 PM
Nov 2014

for her.


I hate puma in 2008 and hate it now.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
83. I beg to differ
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:07 PM
Nov 2014

I will vote for her if she is the nominee, I just won't donate money, time and effort to getting her elected. She will get exactly what she has earned - my vote because I am forced to vote for her as the Democratic nominee.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
85. I won't dedicate energy into helping her get
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:12 PM
Nov 2014

elected, either. My vote, at this point, if she is the nominee and I absolutely must pick between her and a Republican, will be all that she gets.

I HOPE there is at least someone else to challenge her that can drag the political conversation to the left, because Hillary hasn't impressed me.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
87. O'Malley?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:17 PM
Nov 2014

There *has* to be someone other than Hillary. We don't need dynastic politics - look what happened with Bush 2.0. My goodness, imagine Jeb as 3.0?

Franken, O'Malley, Sanders, all of them should throw their hat in the ring and allow a national conversation about something other than corporate candidate A and corporate candidate B.

If not, we should just go ahead and pick the corporation we support and hope they are more benevolent than the vultures picking apart our democracy.

Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

boston bean

(36,245 posts)
11. Didn't say you were, just seemed you didn't have a problem with
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:44 PM
Nov 2014

the ageist suggestion, only the sexist one.

boston bean

(36,245 posts)
23. ah duh! YES.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:02 PM
Nov 2014

WTF, I haven't seen one person on this board say they wouldn't support EW if she was nominated.

I have seen many say that they won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

See how and why I think you got it backwards, bob?

boston bean

(36,245 posts)
26. True answer, not just a good one. Secondly,
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:12 PM
Nov 2014

where is your question to the EW supporters who state they won't support Hillary under any circumstances. That seems to be more the reality of the matter.

Or were you just trying to make Hillary supporters look bad?

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
31. I'm not trying to make anyone look bad
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:35 PM
Nov 2014

We EW supporters have been clear where we stand....we stand with the 99%
HRC stands with the 1%

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
74. actually you would be wrong....
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:28 PM
Nov 2014

Unless you consider all of this 1% issues..

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)

No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)

Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)

No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)

Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)

Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
97. That would be an accurate example of the "PUMA" crap you mentioned in your OP.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:36 PM
Nov 2014

"we stand with the 99%,. HRC stands with the 1%..."

That would be an accurate example of the "PUMA" crap you mentioned in your OP.

(insert distinction without a difference below to validate bias)

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
44. I will support and vote for ANY Democrat who wins the primary. What I won't do
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:53 PM
Nov 2014

is sit home and sulk because my preferred candidate didn't win. I'm not that egotistical, narcissistic, or selfish, and I do live in the real world of political realities.

Andy823

(11,496 posts)
65. +100000
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:08 PM
Nov 2014

Sitting home and not voting only helps republicans win. Those who make such a claim seem to have another agenda than making sure our country is headed in the right direction. If we lose the WH in 2016, a republican will once again be putting justices on the SC, and that is by far the worst scenario for this country.

Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #10)

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
37. no anyone who doesnt support whoever wins our
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:44 PM
Nov 2014

Primary...is a poser and a left leaning independent by default....

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
47. Bingo, Vanilla. You hit the nail on the head.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:55 PM
Nov 2014

Those left-leaning Independents are fickle voters at best, and because of it, they're not taken seriously by either Party.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
53. I dont take them seriously...yet they
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:00 PM
Nov 2014

Think they should tell us loyal Democrats what to do meanwhile berating us for our Party loyalty.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
51. This seems very extreme
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:58 PM
Nov 2014

like your usual attacks.

I may vote for 4 or 6 Democrats in my area, but not for another one or two, because I am
a democrat and not a party sheep.

boston bean

(36,245 posts)
6. Funny thing here is the most zealous Obama supporters
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:38 PM
Nov 2014

are the ones screaming (basically) Party Unity My Ass. I aint voting for Hillary under any circumstance, screw the party! LOL....

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
34. welcome to my ignore list which I reserve for posers
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:39 PM
Nov 2014

Pretend Democrats...who amuse me because though calling themselves one.....have no idea how Democracy works

If cannot commit to voting for whoever wins our Primary.....you are an Independent by default and definition....

boston bean

(36,245 posts)
39. did you mean to respond to me.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:50 PM
Nov 2014

if so, this is off the charts unhinged. I have not one inkling of what it is you think I've done or said. Although I'm pretty sure you got me all wrong. But continue on blissfully....

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
41. nope its the truth....and you know it
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:52 PM
Nov 2014

Did you not just claim you wont vote for our candidate if it turns out to be Hillary?

boston bean

(36,245 posts)
45. WTF are you talking about? Re-read what I wrote where you originally responded.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

You got it all wrong.

Jessum Chrissum.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
96. Boston Bean has been a faithful Hillary supporter
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:47 AM
Nov 2014

Try to get it straight . . .Gees, she's got that big Hillary sign on all her posts....

"okay I take it back" isn't quite as good as an apology. BB has been and is a loyal Hillary supporter, and deserves to hear "I'm sorry."

Control-Z

(15,683 posts)
62. I'm reading it wrong too.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:06 PM
Nov 2014

It seemed odd coming from you - still not sure what you meant - but I was safely assuming I was reading it wrong.

boston bean

(36,245 posts)
66. Read it in context as a response to the OP.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:09 PM
Nov 2014

ie, wtf does he mean Hillary supporters claiming not to vote for EW if she is the nominee. It's non existent. It doesn't even make sense. Do you see Hillary supporters saying they won't vote for EW if she is the nominee? His whole preface is half assed backwards.

On this site now, it was many of the Obama primary supporters in 2008 who are now PUMA... ie, I won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, screw the party.

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
42. ROFL
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:52 PM
Nov 2014

you just put BB on ignore .....for saying she would support whoever wins the primary.

You seriously need to calm down and take that chip off your shoulder...You just put one of your best allies on ignore for agreeing with you

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
49. i might have misunderstood ..but that can be clarified
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:56 PM
Nov 2014

What i said was still the truth....if you cannot stand up for the party electorates decision....you are not really one of us..

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
64. what is there to clarify?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:08 PM
Nov 2014

You blasted one of your best allies for agreeing with you.

You have went completely off the rails.
You seriously need to calm down.....docs have meds that can help you with your anger management

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
69. only because i misunderstood and i wasnt
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:10 PM
Nov 2014

Alone.....someone else did too...

So how about you answer one bob....You a Democrat or Independent?

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
75. if HRC wins the primary
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:31 PM
Nov 2014

I will be in 100%...I will knock doors for her...I will have her poster on my lawn.
If HRC wins the primary i will bust my ass to see her as the president.....I will do my damndest to stop her from winning the primary but if she wins I will be behind her 100%.

Will you do the same if she isn't our primary winner?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
78. Yes as I always do....Barack Obama wasn't my choice last time.....
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:35 PM
Nov 2014

and I knocked on doors and made phone calls....

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
82. I support both.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:05 PM
Nov 2014

My sense is the folks who hate Obama most are at the front of the "I'll never vote for Hillary" line.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. LOL nobody wants to answer the question?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:42 PM
Nov 2014

I see lots of dodging the question, easy enough - of course I will vote for whoever wins the primary.

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
12. same here
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:45 PM
Nov 2014

If HRC wins the primary i will vote for her....It's funny how the HRC cheerleaders can't say the same if she loses

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
43. What do you think of Warren and Sanders supporters who say they can never support Hillary in a
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:53 PM
Nov 2014

general election?

moriah

(8,312 posts)
80. I'm glad you will. But I've seen lots of threats not to vote for Hillary if she was nominated.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:35 PM
Nov 2014

And as I said in my response, I will vote for the nominee. I also donated as much as I could to Obama's campaign after he was declared the winner of the primary in 2008. I didn't donate anything to Hillary except my time.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
13. Of course I will vote for the nominee
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:45 PM
Nov 2014

just like I did in 08. I voted for Hillary in my primary. Hoped she'd be the nominee didn't get mad. Thought Obama was a great choice. Volunteered in 08 and 12 to help in my small way.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
21. Bob is there a time limit?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:59 PM
Nov 2014

I'm just wondering since you asked your question at 1235 and then indicated people aren't answering fast enough. Do you think we should ask this question daily? Weekly?hourly?

wyldwolf

(43,875 posts)
27. he thinks he's being clever
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:14 PM
Nov 2014

But what he's actually done is show himself to be another whiny purist who doesn't know history - not even recent history.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
28. To be clear I will vote for Warren
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:18 PM
Nov 2014

if she runs and becomes the nominee. I think she'd do a fine job as president. I would also vote for omalley, Biden, gillebrand, dean, gore, Webb, sanders and whoever else the dems may nominate. I would have a hard time with Cuomo. But I could do it if I had to.

MineralMan

(146,409 posts)
35. I'm not a Hillary supporter. I'm a Democrat.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:42 PM
Nov 2014

I will vote for, campaign for, and support whoever is the nominee of the Democratic Party. Odds are that it will be Hillary Clinton.

I never expect an ideal candidate for President. My standards are higher for the legislators from my state and national districts. Presidents are a different breed of cat altogether. They have to get elected on a nationwide basis. My state only has 10 electoral votes, so it's a minor player. OTOH, I have two Senators, one Congressional representative and two state legislators on my ballot, along with a host of other local elected officials.

For President, I support the nominee of the Democratic Party. Period.

Control-Z

(15,683 posts)
52. What is a PUMA election?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:58 PM
Nov 2014

I've never heard of that. If you can tell me what it is I might have an answer for you.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
60. In 2008, when Obama got the nomination...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:04 PM
Nov 2014

Some number of Clinton supporters went a little... batshit psycho. They started screaming about black people and how Democrats hated women and all this other trash. They declared for McCain / Palin, went screaming into the wilderness. Basically revealed that at least some of Clinton's support comes from right-wing flaming turdbags who can't stand the thought of black people having authority.

Not all. And I don't think it reflects on Clinton herself. But still, it was a little fucked-up.

"PUMA" stands for "party unity my ass," or, officially, People United Means Action, the PAC these peopel came up with.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
56. Another PUMA ...
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:02 PM
Nov 2014

Not like in 2008.
But most like 2004. ...
You know the one wher Bill and Hillary while publicly supported him, stabbed the then Dem nominee in the back.....and eventually helped keep him out of another 2008 run by joigning an ugly RW bashing campain. ...all of that right before midterms in Nov 2006????

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
68. I will support the Democratic nominee for President of the United States
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:09 PM
Nov 2014

In order to ensure that Republicans are defeated. Can the Hillary haters say the same? I doubt it. They're the ones saying "I hate Hillary & can't vote for her", calling for purges & litmus tests against anyone who isn't sufficiently liberal - by their own definition, of course.

40 yrs ago that sort of behavior was called "rat-fucking".

moriah

(8,312 posts)
77. As I did in 2008, I will vote for the nominee.
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:33 PM
Nov 2014

How many have said they will NOT vote for Hillary if she's nominated?

More than a few, there have been threads solely dedicated to that prospect.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
79. It is the PARTY, not the Person
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:35 PM
Nov 2014

I voted for Hillary for my NY Senator. I did NOT vote for Hillary in Primary with Obama. Whoever is the DEM nominee, I will vote for. I do not want a REPUBLICAN President. End of story.

Pisces

(5,608 posts)
90. If she is the nominee, I will vote for her. I probably will not donate time or money, but it's not
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:24 PM
Nov 2014

likely she will need my money. She has big donors lined up.

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