Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:15 PM
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (97,171 posts)
Texas teacher fired over racially charged Ferguson tweet
A Dallas-area teacher who was accused of sending a racially charged tweet about events in Ferguson, Mo., was fired on Friday, school officials said.
Vinita Hegwood, a high school English teacher, was discharged at a special meeting of the trustees of the Duncanville Independent School District, according to a statement emailed by the district. "In a special meeting this morning, the Duncanville Independent School District Board of Trustees voted unanimously to terminate the teaching contract of Ms. Vinita Hegwood effective immediately," according to the statement. Hegwood was accused of sending insensitive comments from her personal Twitter account on Nov. 7. She had apologized. "Who the [expletive] made you dumb [expletives] think I give a squat [expletive] about your opinions. #Ferguson Kill yourselves," read one of the messages Hegwood allegedly sent. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-teacher-fired-over-racially-charged-ferguson-tweet/ar-BBdJRE9?ocid=DELLDHP
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin | Nov 2014 | OP |
leftynyc | Nov 2014 | #1 | |
Enthusiast | Nov 2014 | #4 | |
snooper2 | Nov 2014 | #6 | |
New Deal Dave | Nov 2014 | #48 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #8 | |
hifiguy | Nov 2014 | #13 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #15 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #16 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #18 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #45 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #46 | |
AnalystInParadise | Nov 2014 | #53 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #67 | |
Hoyt | Nov 2014 | #76 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #77 | |
Hoyt | Nov 2014 | #78 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #79 | |
Hoyt | Nov 2014 | #80 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #84 | |
ZombieHorde | Nov 2014 | #87 | |
ZombieHorde | Nov 2014 | #86 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #89 | |
Cooley Hurd | Nov 2014 | #100 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #101 | |
Cooley Hurd | Nov 2014 | #102 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #103 | |
Cooley Hurd | Nov 2014 | #104 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #81 | |
Hoyt | Nov 2014 | #83 | |
ZombieHorde | Nov 2014 | #88 | |
Hoyt | Nov 2014 | #94 | |
AnalystInParadise | Nov 2014 | #90 | |
mercuryblues | Nov 2014 | #92 | |
simak | Nov 2014 | #95 | |
Hoyt | Nov 2014 | #96 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #97 | |
840high | Nov 2014 | #36 | |
d_b | Nov 2014 | #52 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #61 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #65 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #66 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #68 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #69 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #72 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #73 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #74 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #75 | |
mercuryblues | Nov 2014 | #85 | |
randys1 | Nov 2014 | #26 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #29 | |
randys1 | Nov 2014 | #30 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #31 | |
NaturalHigh | Nov 2014 | #42 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #70 | |
tammywammy | Nov 2014 | #24 | |
Lee-Lee | Nov 2014 | #33 | |
Travis_0004 | Nov 2014 | #43 | |
New Deal Dave | Nov 2014 | #49 | |
Travis_0004 | Nov 2014 | #60 | |
Hoyt | Nov 2014 | #93 | |
tblue37 | Nov 2014 | #56 | |
Donald Ian Rankin | Nov 2014 | #59 | |
Dont call me Shirley | Nov 2014 | #2 | |
840high | Nov 2014 | #37 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #3 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #5 | |
KingCharlemagne | Nov 2014 | #7 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Nov 2014 | #34 | |
KingCharlemagne | Nov 2014 | #39 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Nov 2014 | #40 | |
New Deal Dave | Nov 2014 | #50 | |
Fla Dem | Nov 2014 | #9 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #12 | |
New Deal Dave | Nov 2014 | #51 | |
AnalystInParadise | Nov 2014 | #54 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #62 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #64 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #10 | |
logosoco | Nov 2014 | #20 | |
Ms. Toad | Nov 2014 | #47 | |
jwirr | Nov 2014 | #11 | |
Ykcutnek | Nov 2014 | #14 | |
Boom Sound 416 | Nov 2014 | #17 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #19 | |
Boom Sound 416 | Nov 2014 | #22 | |
WinkyDink | Nov 2014 | #21 | |
randys1 | Nov 2014 | #28 | |
Travis_0004 | Nov 2014 | #32 | |
SickOfTheOnePct | Nov 2014 | #35 | |
KingCharlemagne | Nov 2014 | #41 | |
AnalystInParadise | Nov 2014 | #55 | |
logosoco | Nov 2014 | #63 | |
AnalystInParadise | Nov 2014 | #91 | |
Cooley Hurd | Nov 2014 | #23 | |
randys1 | Nov 2014 | #27 | |
Oktober | Nov 2014 | #98 | |
Cooley Hurd | Nov 2014 | #99 | |
joeybee12 | Nov 2014 | #25 | |
NaturalHigh | Nov 2014 | #38 | |
joeybee12 | Nov 2014 | #58 | |
Fla_Democrat | Nov 2014 | #44 | |
joeybee12 | Nov 2014 | #57 | |
MH1 | Nov 2014 | #71 | |
NaturalHigh | Nov 2014 | #82 |
Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:23 PM
leftynyc (26,060 posts)
1. Have to admit to being
very surprised this teacher got canned in TX.
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Response to leftynyc (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:38 PM
snooper2 (30,151 posts)
6. I bet folks would be more surprised if they did a google image search
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Response to leftynyc (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:47 PM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
8. It was a black woman,
using racially charged words against white folks.
Make more sense now? |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:56 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
13. Perfect sense.
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:20 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
15. Yep, and she deserved to lose her job n/t
Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #15)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:48 PM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
16. I just suspect that the response would not have been
so swift, or so severe, had the races been reversed.
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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #16)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:52 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
18. I disagree
Now, might it vary from state to state? Probably. But I don't doubt that had the races been reversed in the same school/district, the outcome would have been the same.
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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #18)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:16 PM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
45. Any particular reason you believe that?
As a general rule, white people get away with a lot of behavior that would result in disciplinary actions if done by someone of color.
I wish I could find an article I'm remembering - because it really made it hit home for me when I realized that all the crap my spouse gets away with when she pretends rules don't apply to her result in a very different responses when people of color engage in the same behaviors. Until I read that article, I had not connected the tolerant and amused reactions she gets, and the fact that she gets away with it, with race. I have no reason to believe this particular school district has any super-powers to avoid the different ways nearly everyone unconsiously views race in this country. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #45)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:19 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
46. I believe the school board
when they say that they can't tolerate that kind of egregious behavior. I have no reason to believe they would tolerate it from a white teacher.
Do you believe that the teacher should have been fired? If not, why not? |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #45)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:13 AM
AnalystInParadise (1,832 posts)
53. Good lord
not this crap again. Let's try to stay on target and not deflect. A woman (in this case a black woman) made hateful racially charged remarks....her place of employment fired her. This is a win for the school district, a win for morality and standards and a win for those against racism. The only person that loses here is the racist woman that made the remarks.......
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Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #53)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:07 AM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
67. Let's see.
A 20 year black teacher makes remarks on Friday on her own time, on her own personal twitter account, placed on leave on Monday, apologizes and resigns on Thursday, the school board rejects her resignation so they can fire her. Standard behavior for dealing with dealing with white folks who behave badly, right?
white teacher, in school, makes similar racist remarks directly to students: Several students were eating lunch in a North Carolina math teacher’s classroom when the teacher reportedly told one of them that “if she only had 10 days to live that she would kill all black people.” A student accused Cynthia Ramsey, the head of the math department at Camden County High School of making the remark. After the school district called in the local sheriff’s office to investigate this allegation, several students told investigators the same story, according to local news station WAVY-10 (although a few students have since come to Ramsey’s defense in a subsequent news report).
Although Ramsey spent more than a week suspended from her teaching duties, she is now back in the classroom, according to WAVY. According to a statement by the district’s superintendent, “At this point, our main concern is to investigate this incident thoroughly, and collect the facts. This is a personnel issue, and it is confidential until resolved. We are following protocol in this investigation and student and school employee investigations are confidential.” Yup. Treated exactly the same way. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #67)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:24 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
76. I agree Toad. I'm kinda surprised folks think a white teacher posting about "Thugs" would be fired.
Response to Hoyt (Reply #76)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:28 PM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
77. Thugs does not necessarily refer to African Americans...
Maybe to you it does?
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Response to Oktober (Reply #77)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:32 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
78. It does when right wingers use it to apply to Ferguson protesters and the murdered kid.
Go over to the Discussionist and see who uses the term "thug" and what they mean by it in reference to Ferguson.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #78)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:35 PM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
79. Subjective....
... at a minimum
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Response to Oktober (Reply #79)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:39 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
80. Go to Discussionist.com and see who uses term "thug" and what they mean by it in reference Ferguson.
Nothing subjective about it. It is an overt racist reference in that sense.
I really have no problem with the teacher using the term "cracker" in reference to the Governor, police department and right/white wingers threatening potential protesters. Surprised you do. |
Response to Hoyt (Reply #80)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:10 PM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
84. Racist is racist...
Never something to be condoned or even approved of... You seem to disagree...
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #80)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:28 PM
ZombieHorde (29,047 posts)
87. Generally speaking, most people like the perception of consistancy.
In the minds of many people, if saying "cracker" is OK, then saying other slurs is OK. History is irrelevant. Current power structures are irrelevant. The people we want to convince don't see history and current power structures. Most people crave fairness, and we generally believe what we personally see and hear. Because of this, publically using the term "cracker" is teaching people that all racial slurs are OK.
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Response to Oktober (Reply #77)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:17 PM
ZombieHorde (29,047 posts)
86. I noticed
the word "thug" being used in a slur-like way during the Martin/Zimmerman investigation/trial/aftermath. Of course not every use of the word is based on anti-black bigotry, but it does seem to be used as a slur lately.
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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #86)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:49 PM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
89. In the sense...
... that a black person can act like a thug and so can a white person.
It's the behavior and not the person. |
Response to Oktober (Reply #77)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:21 AM
Cooley Hurd (26,877 posts)
100. I'm sure you're one to also point out that...
...the f-word (in relation to LGBT) is also a bundle of sticks.
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #100)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:32 AM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
101. No... because I understand the concept of context...
... and modern usage.
When you call someone a F****t, only about .00001% of the population is going to first thing of a bundle of sticks. When you call someone a thug, the only people who associate that with black people are racists. It certainly doesn't apply to the population at large. |
Response to Oktober (Reply #101)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:34 AM
Cooley Hurd (26,877 posts)
102. That's a subjective observation on your part...
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #102)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:47 AM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
103. If you are inclined to throw common sense and your powers of observation out the window...
Sure...
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Response to Oktober (Reply #103)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:01 PM
Cooley Hurd (26,877 posts)
104. Common sense is rarely...
...common.
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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #67)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:40 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
81. In a completely different state
As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter how long the woman was a teacher, it doesn't matter what her record was, it doesn't matter that it was her personal Twitter account, and it doesn't matter that she was on her own time.
She made racist comments, which in my mind, means that she should in no way be in any kind of authority position over children in a classroom. And that applies whether she's black, white, yellow or spotted. I can't believe that on a Democratic website I'm actually seeing people defend racism. |
Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #81)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:47 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
83. Is it "racism" to call out the Governor, police force, right wingers threatening protesters, etc.
I don't think so.
And I know darn well that a white teacher using the term "thug" -- or worse -- in reference to protesters and Mike Brown would not have been fired. |
Response to Hoyt (Reply #83)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 02:35 PM
ZombieHorde (29,047 posts)
88. You're making two points here.
And I know darn well that a white teacher using the term "thug" -- or worse -- in reference to protesters and Mike Brown would not have been fired.
I suspect you are correct here. Is it "racism" to call out the Governor, police force, right wingers threatening protesters, etc.
I don't think so. If racial slurs are used, then the call out will appear racist. Doesn't matter if it's racist or not. Perception is reality. Not all parents are delighted to hear their child's teacher using racial slurs. Our words can decrease tensions, increase tensions, or do nothing to tensions. Public use of the word "cracker" increases tensions, whether you like it or think it's the dumbest thing ever. |
Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #88)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:56 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
94. I hear you, but I don't have a problem calling white racists, "crackers"
Especially local officials who are arming up and threatening potential protesters. Throw in threats from the KKK, and I can see this teacher using the term "cracker."
Of course, I'm one of those who really don't think Blacks typically have the requisite power to be racist. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #67)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:25 PM
AnalystInParadise (1,832 posts)
90. Yes very standard behavior
towards a racist........white or black.
Spin it however you want, your mind is already made up, but the fact that you are upset a black racist got fired is very telling. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #67)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:41 PM
mercuryblues (13,135 posts)
92. here is a lovely teacher from Houston.
Angela Box @TheBoxThatRoxx · Jun 29 The next time a #LowInformationVoter says I am a racist for opposing @BarackObama I'm going to go #Apocalypse on them. Angela Box @TheBoxThatRoxx · Jul 1 Ask Larry Sinclair how Barry likes his crack...among other things. Stay classy @BarackObama . http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/30/Obama-Jokes-White-House-Pastry-Chef-Puts-Crack-In-His-Pies … And much more and worse at her account. She does not limit herself to twitter hate. She is a regular guest on a Houston cable access show called Tommy’s Garage. It is described as being Conservative raunchy, bigoted, and profane show.
http://egbertowillies.com/2014/11/15/bigot-against-muslim-teacher-angela-box/ What is the reaction? Despite parents concern that a virulent racist is teaching their kids The school is keeping her. This is being framed a free speech issue. "How can any parent trust that whatever she sends home about their child is truthful when you have a teacher with such bigotry and such hateful beliefs?," said Quanell X.
Houston ISD has reviewed episodes of "Tommy's Garage" and says Box will remain in the classroom. Parental concerns, the district says, will be dealt with on a case by case basis. http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/27392681/more-parents-object-to-racial-views-of-hisd-teacher |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #45)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:17 PM
simak (116 posts)
95. Not when it comes to racism.
It's far more serious to be accused of racism as a white.
There are some who argue that racial animus is not racism by definition when the offender belongs to the minority population. IOW, "blacks can't be racist". I say this as a response to the apparent suggestion that the school's being overly hard on her because she's black. It's far more likely that they're cutting her some slack compared to a white teacher who might say something similar. Apologies if that wasn't what you meant. |
Response to simak (Reply #95)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:35 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
96. Wrong. A white teacher would not have been canned for that. Plus, I think what lady said is true.
See #92 for some examples.
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Response to simak (Reply #95)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:13 AM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
97. Right.
That explains the disparity the recent widely publicized case, in which a White teacher told her students (in school, while on the job) that her bucket list included spending the last 10 days killing black people. She was treated so much harshly - they lynched her....if by lynching you mean they gave her a brief unpaid suspension and she is back on the job.
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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #16)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 09:52 PM
840high (17,196 posts)
36. It would have been the same.
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #16)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:10 AM
d_b (7,435 posts)
52. oh, absolutely not
I knew she wasn't white just by the headline.
if she were white, right now the school would be in the 'reviewing the facts' stage. after that, maybe a 30 day vacation. Then she'd do the fox news thing. etc. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #16)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 07:58 AM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
61. It would have been faster...
Response to Oktober (Reply #61)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:46 AM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
65. Really?
A 20 year teacher tweets on Friday, is suspended on Monday, apologizes and resigns on Thursday, her resignation was rejected on Thursday for the sole purpose of firing her on Friday?
Even in the case of a teacher having sex with students I don't know that I have ever seen a reaction that swift. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #65)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:56 AM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
66. Apples to apples is the only real way to compare this...
IOW, is there an equivalent teacher out there who tweeted "Who **** the made you dumb Ni****s think I give a squat about your opinions. Kill yourselves"
Maybe there is... I'm confident that if it were to make level of national news then that teacher would be out on their ass in a heartbeat. |
Response to Oktober (Reply #66)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:15 AM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
68. You would be wrong about that.
This white teacher spoke similar words, directly to students, on the job at school
Several students were eating lunch in a North Carolina math teacher’s classroom when the teacher reportedly told one of them that “if she only had 10 days to live that she would kill all black people.” A student accused Cynthia Ramsey, the head of the math department at Camden County High School of making the remark. After the school district called in the local sheriff’s office to investigate this allegation, several students told investigators the same story, according to local news station WAVY-10 (although a few students have since come to Ramsey’s defense in a subsequent news report).
Although Ramsey spent more than a week suspended from her teaching duties, she is now back in the classroom, according to WAVY. According to a statement by the district’s superintendent, “At this point, our main concern is to investigate this incident thoroughly, and collect the facts. This is a personnel issue, and it is confidential until resolved. We are following protocol in this investigation and student and school employee investigations are confidential.” http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/03/3587641/high-school-teacher-back-in-classroom-despite-reportedly-saying-she-would-kill-all-black-people/ It's been more than a heartbeat, and guess what - she's back on the job. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #68)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:22 AM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
69. It's closer but the evidence is much clearer for the twitter feed... Written word and all...
According to the story you provided, some deny it, some affirm it etc..
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Response to Oktober (Reply #69)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:34 AM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
72. Excuses, excuses, excuses.
There are always reasons for treating individual black people more swiftly and harshly than individual white people for similar behavior. But the problem is systemic, and if you cant see it - and continue to rationalize it away - you are part of why it still continues. We are not a race blind society.
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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #72)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:43 AM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
73. You think it's an excuse to conduct an investigation to see if it really happened?
Should the word of some students be enough? Especially when others disagree?
The moron teacher in the OP sealed her fate the moment she publicly and permanently outed herself as a racist. There was no question other than to make sure someone didn't hold a gun to her head. |
Response to Oktober (Reply #73)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:02 PM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
74. I think when people insist there are no differences between how whites and blacks are treated
and individual instances of differences are always explained away as "apples and oranges" or "see here, there's this difference. It really isn't disparate treatment, because I can always find some difference in any example you provide." Yes - excuses.
Do you really think a black teacher accused by several students of saying that she would like to spend her final 10 days on earth killing white students would be back in the classroom while they were investigating? Seriously? If so, there's a bridge in Brooklyn with your name on it. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #74)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:16 PM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
75. Find the example and we can chat...
Otherwise you are just conjecturing through the lens of your own personal views.
Pointing out how things are significantly different doesn't fall in the excuse category. It falls in the facts and logic section... The word of a student and friends, especially when taken against another group of students is not even close to the same thing as a self immolating blast of public and immediately verifiable racism that we see in the OP. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #74)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:54 PM
mercuryblues (13,135 posts)
85. Even if
situations were exactly the same and outcomes different there would people who would say well, she obviously picked her nose during the meeting so that is the reason.
Saying that you would kill black people (some of whom are your students) is more egregious to me than some random posts cherry picked from twitter. |
Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #15)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:27 PM
randys1 (16,286 posts)
26. She forgot her place, just for a minute
Response to randys1 (Reply #26)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:38 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
29. I really hope you're being sarcastic n/t
Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #29)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:39 PM
randys1 (16,286 posts)
30. I am pointing out that Black people cant do what white people do all the time and
get away with
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Response to randys1 (Reply #30)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:41 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
31. You're assuming that a white teacher
in the same district wouldn't be fired for tweeting racist remarks, whereas I'm assuming he or she would be.
Do you believe this teacher should have been fired? |
Response to randys1 (Reply #30)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 10:41 PM
NaturalHigh (12,778 posts)
42. Like what?
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Response to randys1 (Reply #26)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:23 AM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
70. Forgetting ones place and going on racist screeds for the whole world to see are oceans apart...
The only place she forgot was the one for being a decent human being.
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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:06 PM
tammywammy (26,582 posts)
24. Duncanville isn't a little whites only hick town.
There's a larger minority population than white. Being from the area, on the news and such people heavily favored her getting fired. So yeah I think if it was a white teacher it would have been just as swift.
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Response to tammywammy (Reply #24)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 09:36 PM
Lee-Lee (6,324 posts)
33. For an area with such a huge minority presence the school board has 6 of 7 seats filled by whites
Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #33)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 10:49 PM
Travis_0004 (5,417 posts)
43. If thats who the voters elected then I dont see a problem
Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #43)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:47 PM
New Deal Dave (32 posts)
49. Travis, you're kidding us, right?
Response to New Deal Dave (Reply #49)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 07:58 AM
Travis_0004 (5,417 posts)
60. no
There was an election and those people won, so the community thinks those are the best people for the job.
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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #33)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:46 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
93. Sounds a lot like Ferguson.
Response to leftynyc (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:28 AM
tblue37 (58,227 posts)
56. Apparently she is black, and her tweets were aimed at whites, whom she
called "crackers."
So not all that surprising in Texas after all. |
Response to leftynyc (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 07:52 AM
Donald Ian Rankin (13,598 posts)
59. What does "racially charged" mean?
It sounds suspiciously ambiguous.
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:32 PM
Dont call me Shirley (10,998 posts)
2. Now does Vinita give a squat? Racist words do have consequences.
Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #2)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 09:53 PM
840high (17,196 posts)
37. Yes they do.
Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:32 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
3. Good n/t
Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:37 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
5. And they need to stop saying "allegedly"
She has admitted she sent the texts.
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:46 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
7. How many souls will Ferguson consume before the fires of
rage have burned themselves out and the shrieks and cries of pain turned to whimpers?
Harlem What happens to a dream deferred? Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore— And then run? Does it stink like rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over— like a syrupy sweet? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. Or does it explode? ~Langston Hughes |
Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #7)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 09:38 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
34. Wow, I will have to check out more...
of Langston Hughes.
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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #34)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 10:32 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
39. Reading his work may get you put on an NSA watch list. (He was a
Commie old school.) One of my favorite American poets. I believe "Harlem" comes from a larger book-length work called Montage of a Dream Deferred, but it's been awhile since I've studied his life or work in detail.. "Harlem" in turn inspired Lorraine Hansberry's play A Raisin in the Sun.
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #39)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 10:33 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
40. I am probably on it already...
I can be kind of vocal sometimes
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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #39)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:49 PM
New Deal Dave (32 posts)
50. Old school commies are the best kind. We need a new Popular Front
Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:54 PM
Fla Dem (20,919 posts)
9. It's difficult to judge whether this was a good thing or not. Not knowing what the
thread of tweets were about, it's hard to say what she was responding to. I think she may tweeted about Ferguson, like how awful it was and someone tweeted back at her with a racially charged insult. Which then caused her to make the response that she did. Was it appropriate? No. For a teacher to tell someone to kill themselves is just wrong. But I got from the headline she was tweeting something negative against Ferguson, which I don't think was the case at all.
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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #9)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:55 PM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
12. It wasn't the case.
That tweet is distorted beyond recognition in the article. She was slamming whites for offering their unwanted (to her) opinions about Ferguson.
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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #12)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:50 PM
New Deal Dave (32 posts)
51. Yeah, but the "cracker" comment ...
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #12)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:16 AM
AnalystInParadise (1,832 posts)
54. Twitter is a public space
Don't like what idiots are saying? Block them....Don't respond with more racist rhetoric, that gets you fired and deservedly so. I see a whole bunch of winners in this case and only one racist loser. (the woman is not a loser in the sense that she is a sucks at life, she lost the second she went full racist).
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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #12)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:00 AM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
62. Are you suggesting that there are some circumstances where this is acceptable...
... or excusable?
There are no circumstances under which this can be mitigated short of a gun to the head that forced her to twit against her will. |
Response to Oktober (Reply #62)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:42 AM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
64. I was agreeing with the prior poster
that it wasn't the case that she was saying something negative about Ferguson.
With the excerpted words removed (as in the OP), the quote appeared to be directed toward the people of Ferguson. That was not the case - as the prior poster suspected. I was confirming the poster's suspicion. |
Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 05:54 PM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
10. That "quote" twists the tweet beyond recognition -
to the point it certainly feels as it it is directed at a different racial group than it is, and perhaps has almost the opposite meaning.
Here's the quote as printed in the article: "Who the {expletive} made you dumb {expletives} think I give a squat {expletive} about your opinions. #Ferguson Kill yourselves" With the expletives filled in: Who the f*ck made you dumb a** crackers think I give a squat f*ck about your opinions RE #Ferguson? Kill yourselves. Quite a different feel, and not so surprising that she was fired in Texas for tweets which were racially charged against whites. |
Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:54 PM
logosoco (3,207 posts)
20. In the tweet it says "dumb duck ass..."
I wonder if she is somehow referring to the duck dynasty folks who have been pretty open about their racism.
I can understand anger and frustration, but saying you wish someone would kill themselves isn't a good thing, especially in something public like a tweet. Or it could be dumb duck ass is just some new slang i am unfamiliar with? |
Response to logosoco (Reply #20)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:45 PM
Ms. Toad (31,380 posts)
47. You're right - I missed a couple of words -
that make the original "quote" even farther off.
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:51 PM
Boom Sound 416 (4,185 posts)
17. I bet she's pro union now
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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #17)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:52 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
19. I doubt the union could have saved her in this case n/t
Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #19)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 07:11 PM
Boom Sound 416 (4,185 posts)
22. I know. Just a cultural joke
Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 06:56 PM
WinkyDink (51,311 posts)
21. I wonder if the trustees would have been so outraged had....you know the rest.
Response to WinkyDink (Reply #21)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:29 PM
randys1 (16,286 posts)
28. Dont wonder, NO they wouldnt have
Response to WinkyDink (Reply #21)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 09:15 PM
Travis_0004 (5,417 posts)
32. I hope they would have fired any racist teacher
The only difference is if they fired a racist white guy people wouldnt be rushing to his defense.
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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #32)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 09:38 PM
SickOfTheOnePct (6,228 posts)
35. I don't get it
I don't see how anyone can defend this type of behavior.
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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #32)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 10:38 PM
KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)
41. Are people rushing to her defense? - nt
Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #41)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:18 AM
AnalystInParadise (1,832 posts)
55. Reading for comprehension is key
A few people in this thread are defending her, or at least trying to deflect and say "but, but, but.....white people"............
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Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #55)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:23 AM
logosoco (3,207 posts)
63. I was not defending her. I think what others have said in this thread,
is that there seems to be a problem with our society where when a black person does something they get treated differently. Our country is not supposed to be like that, but here we are into the 21st century and it still hasn't got that figured out.
In the news recently, a woman told students (not twitter, but directly), that if she only had 10 days to live, she would spend it killing black people. She was suspended with pay and is now back on the job. I guess one could say it is the differences in the school board, but I like to think that the Constitution protects everyone the same everywhere. Any person who works with kids and talks about killing or telling someone they should kill themselves really should be directed to another line of work, no matter what color they are. |
Response to logosoco (Reply #63)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:31 PM
AnalystInParadise (1,832 posts)
91. Did she admit to it?
Or is it something some students said that she uttered and others said she did not?
If it is a he said/she said thing, then NO she should not be fired unless it is proven. This was admitted to and MADE IN A FREAKING PUBLIC SPACE. I can't believe people are trying to equivocate the two, they are so vastly different it is ridiculous. |
Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 07:23 PM
Cooley Hurd (26,877 posts)
23. Her anger (not the statements) is justified given what has happened...
...in the last few weeks regarding the "leaks" from the "grand jury".
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #23)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:28 PM
randys1 (16,286 posts)
27. If the worst the AA Community does while being murdered in the streets is send a tweet that
is a bit off the mark
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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #23)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:15 AM
Oktober (1,488 posts)
98. Anger doesn't justify racism...
Response to Oktober (Reply #98)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:18 AM
Cooley Hurd (26,877 posts)
99. As I said...
Her anger is justified, not her statements.
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:13 PM
joeybee12 (56,177 posts)
25. Let's face it, most people shouldn't use twitter...
It's far too easy to simply tweet ther first thing that comes into your head when you're angry...I'll never use twitter
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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #25)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 10:32 PM
NaturalHigh (12,778 posts)
38. No kidding.
The filter that most people have that censors their mouths is completely absent when typing out a twitter.
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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #38)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 07:27 AM
joeybee12 (56,177 posts)
58. Yup...and there's a record of that unfiltered stuff...nt
Response to joeybee12 (Reply #25)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 10:56 PM
Fla_Democrat (2,445 posts)
44. I use it for my Charity Miles
but that's it. I don't think I've ever posted any original tweets. Just finish the work out, click the button, and forget.
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Response to Fla_Democrat (Reply #44)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 07:25 AM
joeybee12 (56,177 posts)
57. It's useful if you can do what you do...
Walk away as soon as you're done...unfortunately, I bet most people can't do that.
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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #25)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:31 AM
MH1 (17,162 posts)
71. Agreed, I have a Twit account but don't use it. I also locked it down from the beginning,
so my tweets would only go to followers. Or something like that.
My initial intent was to use it for family and close friends only. But being old farts, we have other ways to stay in touch, and there's also Facebook. So haven't yet found a real need to be a Twit. Also ... I think maybe I'll invent a usb device that works like a breathalyzer for a car. You wanna post on the internet? Blow into the tube first. A lot of this stuff is caused by PWI. Not sure if this woman's case is that, but if not, she's too dumb to be a teacher anyway. |
Response to MH1 (Reply #71)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:40 PM
NaturalHigh (12,778 posts)
82. You would make money with that invention.
Hell I don't even use twitter or facebook and I would buy one just to be on the safe side.
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