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Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:24 PM

 

I'm 5 foot eight and weigh 155

should I be taxed for what I eat and drink?

Should I be taxed extra for drinking sugary drinks even if I am healthy?
Where do we stop the nanny state?

I have put about 300 pounds of venison in my freezer....how much should I be taxed?

Where does it end?

Should I be taxed for every carb I eat?

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Reply I'm 5 foot eight and weigh 155 (Original post)
backwoodsbob Nov 2014 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #1
MH1 Nov 2014 #68
MH1 Nov 2014 #69
bravenak Nov 2014 #2
Warpy Nov 2014 #30
KMOD Nov 2014 #31
arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #90
KMOD Nov 2014 #93
arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #95
Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #32
KMOD Nov 2014 #44
MillennialDem Nov 2014 #59
Warpy Nov 2014 #61
MillennialDem Nov 2014 #62
meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #74
MillennialDem Nov 2014 #75
meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #76
MillennialDem Nov 2014 #85
meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #100
MillennialDem Nov 2014 #103
meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #107
FrodosPet Nov 2014 #108
CrispyQ Nov 2014 #83
MillennialDem Nov 2014 #84
woodsprite Nov 2014 #102
MillennialDem Nov 2014 #104
woodsprite Nov 2014 #109
Warpy Nov 2014 #60
Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #64
MH1 Nov 2014 #67
meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #79
KMOD Nov 2014 #98
jen63 Nov 2014 #65
Warpy Nov 2014 #86
jen63 Nov 2014 #87
Warpy Nov 2014 #89
jen63 Nov 2014 #91
meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #78
winstars Nov 2014 #99
bravenak Nov 2014 #35
formernaderite Nov 2014 #77
nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #45
bravenak Nov 2014 #47
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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:25 PM

1. Why do you ask?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:23 AM

68. Heh, no response. Kind of like me asking why should I pay school taxes?

I have no kids in school.

I have no kids.

Why the hell should I pay school taxes?

* psst, this is sarcasm, in cases it isn't abundantly obvious.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:28 AM

69. Liquor taxes, that's another one that bugs me.

I drink occasionally and am not remotely alcoholic. (so I claim, anyway)

Alcohol is not harmful to me, it is a feature not a bug.

Why should it be taxed?

And this whole drug decriminalization thing, they say they want to legalize it and TAX it so the taxes can be used to help people with addiction issues. But I have no addiction issues. (ok, caffeine and chocolate, but no one is offering to help me with those!) Why should I support this tax?

* psst sarcasm again.

Me ... me ... me .... me ........

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:26 PM

2. I know what you mean.

 

I don't believe in adding extra taxes to food to curb behaviors I don't like. It ends up hurting the poor.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:58 PM

30. It does. Lacking orange juice for breakfast

they feed the kids orange flavored stuff that has some vitamin C in it if they're lucky. Orange juice and oranges are out of reach. The kids eat sugary cereal with fake fruit because they can't afford the blueberries (or eggs) for blueberry pancakes or hot oatmeal with fruit.

I see the choices people with EBT cards have to make and it's heartbreaking. Yes, the kids are drinking too much soda, but they can't afford fruit juices and some kids can't drink milk. Water gets boring and the kids rebel.

I say that if they want to tax one thing, they need to subsidize a replacement. When fruit juices are subsidized and are cheaper than highly taxed soda, people will give the kids fruit juice and be glad to do it.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:09 PM

31. + 1,000,000

 

It's so disappointing that healthy foods are too expensive for the people who need it the most.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:16 PM

90. Why not tax the crap foods and use those monies to subsidize healthy foods? nt

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #90)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:18 PM

93. I'm all for subsidizing healthy food,

 

but It can be addressed through the Farm Bill. But like with everything, it's complicated.

Here's an interesting read on it, if you're interested.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/farm-bill-why-dont-taxpayers-subsidize-the-foods-that-are-better-for-us/2014/02/14/d7642a3c-9434-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html

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Response to KMOD (Reply #93)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:30 PM

95. Thanks! nt

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Response to Warpy (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:12 PM

32. Boxed cereal is way more expensive than eggs and oatmeal.

Come on now.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:27 AM

44. Fruit is very expensive though

 

Part of it may be convenience, yes, it's easier to pour a bowl of cereal than to make a decent breakfast.

But the overall point is, it's expensive to eat healthy. Fruit, fish, proteins with the exception of beans are expensive.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #44)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:49 AM

59. A pound and a half of chicken breast is like $8-$9.

 

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #59)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:18 AM

61. Which is why poor folks buy thighs

It's a lot of meat for a hell of a lot less money.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:20 AM

62. I'm not disagreeing with that - just saying the protein ration of a young adult who works out is

 

$240 a month.

Plus a few plant foods and snacks and it's ridiculous.

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #59)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:39 AM

74. I buy chicken breasts when they're $1.99.

Brine them and grill them with a sprinkle of cayenne. When the kids want a snack or a sandwich or a salad there's always grilled chicken in the refrigerator. Thighs are often $.99 a pound. Main ingredient for Chicken and Forty Cloves. Just like grandma used to make.

The "healthy food is too expensive" meme is bogus.

When you remove the junk from your shopping cart you'll be amazed at how much is left for fruits, vegetables, fresh fish and lean meats.

BTW: The cost per calorie metric is also bogus.

Oh yeah... Straight orange juice is way too sweet for me. Quarter of a glass of juice then fill to the top with water. It goes a long way.

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Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #74)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:18 AM

75. I've never seen fresh skinless chicken breast for less than $5 a pound here.

 

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #75)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:33 AM

76. I just bought a 4-pound package at...

Stop 'n Shop in NYC for $1.99 per pound. Literally, ten minutes ago.

There's also a butcher shop nearby that sells for that price every day.

I thought that NYC had the highest prices. Where are you?

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Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #76)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:43 PM

85. Rural WI.

 

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #85)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:12 AM

100. Wow! There are tradeoffs, I suppose.

We have supermarkets every few blocks so I can shop around for groceries.

Of course, rent for a tiny one bedroom apartment starts at $2,000 per month.

The cost of high ticket items here (housing, taxes, insurance...) are astronomical.

It's a real struggle for most young people. We're well established, but just our housing expenses amount to nearly $3,000 per month. And we don't even have a mortgage. A young family in their first home would then have to add $2,000-$3,000 more in mortgage expense.

We're contemplating a move because we can cut our fixed expenses by more than half. Being a city dweller for 60+ years I'm not sure I can even think about rural life.

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Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #100)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:12 AM

103. I hear you - I almost fell over when I went to NYC for the cost of one night in a hotel room. PLUS

 

as you said "the rent is too damn high". My mortgage AND property taxes for a home with 1300 square feet (plus 1300 square feet in the basement AND 1300 square feet in the attic) is $1200/month.

But going anywhere is inconvenient and as you've seen the cost of healthy food is astronomical. The only thing I wouldn't like about city life (besides the costs) would be the lack of open space for winding up a sports car.

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #103)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:54 AM

107. I'm very content riding my bike...

at the speed limit.

We have a very long stretch of oceanfront here that's a real pleasure to ride. I can make a forty mile circuit completely surrounded by water. If I want long winding "country" roads I have to travel far north or farther west.

Life is about compromise.

P.S. I also love riding in the city, but I've been sideswiped and rear-ended more than once. Lost my 1984 Honda in Sandy and I've been preoccupied with house repairs. I'll start shopping for a new bike in a few months.

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #75)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:55 AM

108. Wow!

I was floored when I saw boneless breast was $3.50 a pound in Michigan. Are you in Alaska or Hawaii or NYC? How bad are frozen vegetables? Bird's Eye here are about $1.50 to $1.66 a pound (3 bags for $5.00 on my latest trip to the store)

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #83)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:43 PM

84. Don't like it *shrug*

 

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #59)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:26 AM

102. Same for ground beef. n/t

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #102)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:13 AM

104. Yep, at least the 95% lean stuff. So my two main sources of protein cost out the ass. ;)

 

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Response to MillennialDem (Reply #104)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:11 AM

109. I told my family that the next time they eat any steak, it'll be in a restaurant.

I certainly can't cook it like a chef can, and the darned price was $22 for two small, not so great looking strip steaks at the store last night. We need at least 3 to feed 4 of us (so 2 packs). My just turned 14yo son is starting on another growth spurt, which I certainly don't mind, but I'm having to fill out meals with things we don't usually have for dinner. I've added one or two of the following at dinner: biscuits, muffins, potatoes, dumplings, pasta, yogurt or cottage cheese.

Thankfully, my daughter and I have been switching to a low carb plan, so we've been experimenting with other proteins. That first trip to the grocery to stock up though was crazy (like over $250) and it was mainly fresh produce, meat, cheeses, and beans -- some things I did splurge on like a mid-value olive oil and balsamic vinegar. This week was much better since I just had to restock what we used up AND we ran into a sale for chicken at the Acme -- buy one, get one free for boneless chicken. I refused to spend $15.00 on a package of ground meat to make chili, so this week I'm making white bean chicken chili!

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:17 AM

60. Not the stuff that comes in plastic bags

that the kids will actually eat.

I know a lot of poorer moms who buy the stuff in the bags and put it into a brand name box they've used for years. The kids don't start to get wise until they're in fourth grade or so.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:48 AM

64. I have two teenage boys who play sports

I buy the malto mix cereal all the time. It is fairly unhealthy but they like it and their caloric needs are high.I am a bodybuilder. I buy tons of oatmeal and egs for me. There is nothing cheaper than instant oats. A dozen eggs is a dollar.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #64)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:14 AM

67. One thing is cheaper than instant oats. Non-instant oats, especially if bought in bulk.

I buy organic thick-rolled oats - which taste so much better than instant - and they are cheaper than anything you'll buy in a box. Add a few raisins, also bulk purchased, and you bump up the price per serving, but not by much.

But,

a) poorer folks may not have access to such a great store that provides bulk foods like oatmeal and raisins. (But they can probably buy a canister of non-instant oats. Non instant oats adds 1 - 4 minutes to the cooking time, depending on whether you like having to clean the microwave afterward.)
b) if all the kids will eat is the flavored instant crap, I agree that is probably cheaper healthier than most other boxed cereals.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:41 AM

79. I cannot eat instant oats or non-instant oats (the five minute kind).

I like steel cut Irish oatmeal, but it's very expensive so I buy it in bulk when it's $2.39 for an 18 ounce package.

It cooks for 30 minutes but it's a thousand times better tasting than the Quaker stuff.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:45 PM

98. I don't cook my oats

 

I make it after dinner, mixing equal parts of oats and milk (you can use whatever liquid you prefer), sprinkle in some fruit and walnuts and put in the refrigerator.

In the morning I take it out of the refrigerator and eat it. Easy and delish. And if you still prefer it warm, you can always microwave it for a few seconds or heat it up in a sauce pan.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:01 AM

65. I did this with skim milk

and my kid didn't know the difference until I told him. He was amazed, lol!

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Response to jen63 (Reply #65)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:58 PM

86. When I was doing the nutrition thing

I used to tell people with bunches of kids who all drank milk to keep the jugs, make up a gallon of powdered skim milk for every gallon they bought and mix them half and half.

Their kids never caught on.

It's always seemed weird that powdered milk was cheaper than whole milk but i guess the processing was cheaper than fast shipping, constant refrigeration, and spoilage.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #86)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:09 PM

87. The tricks we learn to use

on kids!

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Response to jen63 (Reply #87)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:13 PM

89. I never had kids, I was just cheap

and people told me I pinched pennies so hard they could hear Lincoln groan.

I'm great at being poor. Now that I'm middle class, I have no clue what I'm doing half the time.

But yeah, I was always full of hints for parents who were struggling.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #89)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:17 PM

91. Oh me too Warpy.

I didn't think I wanted any, but I got a surprise while on the pill. Love him dearly, but he's the only one! I hear you about Lincoln groaning also!. I'm poor and a lot of the time it was just me and my boy. It's a struggle. He will have a better life than I did thank gawd.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:35 AM

78. My father did that in the 1950s.

We were wise to it, but ate it anyway. He worked in sweat shop and we ran out of money by the middle of every week.

Macaroni and peas every Thursday night.

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Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #78)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:12 PM

99. We had macaroni and peas on Monday nights and peas and macaroni on Thursday nights!!! Really...

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Response to Warpy (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:25 PM

35. +1

 

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Response to Warpy (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:33 AM

77. bottled fruit juice has no nutritional value

its sugar... thirsty? drink water. sugary cereal... actually cereal in general is pretty expensive. Making food from scratch is still the cheapest way to go. Eggs are not expensive compared to cereal, neither is oatmeal. I realize people have forgotten how to cook real food, but it's not more expensive to buy actual food as opposed to ready made. I do realize that for some poor people, there is little access to good food, because of where they live.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:30 AM

45. That's why I don't believe in regressive taxes, period. Even for cigarettes. n/t

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:34 AM

47. Me neither. It's stupid.

 

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:26 PM

3. Here's some sage advice...

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:27 PM

4. sounds a lot like right wing radio

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Response to juxtaposed (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:32 PM

6. So the merits

 

of forcing people to pay extra tax for what they eat are liberal how, exactly?

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Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:36 PM

10. Not liberalism

 

It is nanny-stateism, pure and simple.

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Response to lancer78 (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:46 PM

16. Agreed

 

I just wanted to see if the other poster would defend the indefensible.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:30 PM

5. .



Why do you ask?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:34 PM

7. 1791 tax on alcohol and tobacco . Were not concerned when it didn't concern you?






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Response to lunasun (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:39 PM

15. .

 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me


Martin Niemöller

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Response to scarystuffyo (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:03 PM

19. what the hell does martin niemoller have to do with the op?

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Response to juxtaposed (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:13 PM

22. Translation: Gun lovers in America are just like the Jews were in Germany

 

Very much a right wing meme.

Here's an example of another variation on it:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017218293

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:22 PM

92. Godwin strikes again ;) nt

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Response to juxtaposed (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:28 PM

36. Soda drinkers are facing genocide, apparently.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:39 PM

40. no shit,, first coke? I was not a coke drinker--- then Pepsi still not a fan. all were gone and

they came for moxie and I was moxie & no one was left

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:11 PM

88. Well, goddamn. This could be the issue that unites us all.

In the face of a Republican takeover of Congress, there is nothing more critical than the possibility of minor regressive taxation on food and beverages.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:34 PM

8. The nanny state soda tax is regressive

 

The rich won't care about it because the amount they'd pay is irrelevant. The poor will feel it, though.

It doesn't even make logical sense, there are plenty of ways to get overweight besides sugar. Fats and grain probably contribute more to obesity than sugar. Cholesterol comes from animal products, not soda.

I don't consider this progressive at all. It's illogical, tax-regressive nanny state nonsense.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:35 PM

9. Food taxes should be abolished along with all the other regressive taxes

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:38 PM

13. I agree... taxing necessities is bullshit.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:57 AM

51. I completely agree.

No food tax. Maybe a service tax in a restaurant, but don't tax food.

And pizza should be single payer. Just kidding. Or am I? Hmmmm.....

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:59 AM

52. I have to agree on the pizza

I like pineapple on mine.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #52)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:29 AM

56. Me too!

Pineapple is a very controversial topping.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:30 AM

57. probably one of the reasons I like it.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:36 PM

11. Venison has no carbs. You should be paid for eating it.

300#? How many years have you been collecting it?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:14 PM

23. Civility, please! Who ARE these people who archive links to try to intimidate other members?

 

It just seems creepy, to me.

Like this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018436593#post19

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:17 PM

24. Speaking of creepy, another gun lover standing up for gun lovers, "because gunz".

 

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:38 PM

12. I'm against all sin tax

 

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:49 PM

17. I would like to see the term "nanny state" disappear -

at least from DU. It's a classic RW propaganda term. While it's fair to debate how and when personal behavior should be regulated, let's discuss it in terms of reasonable regulation. The term "nanny state," however, is mostly a conservative/libertarian sneering jab at all regulation aimed at arguably unsafe personal behavior. Some people call requiring the use of seat belts in cars or the wearing of motorcycle helmets or the taxation of cigarettes and alcohol "nanny-stateism." Debate the reasonableness of these regulations all you want but please, let's dump the "nanny state" crap.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:13 PM

21. "nanny state" to me in this thread is a Freudian Slip, I hear it all the time on r/w radio

anyone ever says nanny state to me in a conversation 9 times out of ten I know what side of the fence they're on

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Response to juxtaposed (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:18 PM

34. Yep n/t

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:44 AM

106. I strongly second that emotion. nt

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:54 PM

18. You already are taxed for what you eat and drink.

 

Do you not pay taxes on these items?

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:13 PM

33. I don't pay taxes on food at the grocery store

Here in Florida most "unprepared" food and drink is tax free.

Now if I go to the grocery store deli and buy an 8 piece fried chicken, a sub sandwich and an iced sweet tea it's all taxed.

If I buy a raw chicken, bread, sandwich meat, mayonnaise, mustard, a tomato, cheese, tea bags and some sugar it's all tax free.

Sales tax is only applied to "prepared" foods here.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:07 PM

20. I agree 110%

with taxing the hell out of soft drinks...

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:26 PM

26. The exact same argument can be made for all simple carbohydrates

You can buy a 2 liter bottle of soda for 88 cents. Even doubling the price won't discourage all that many and will simply unfairly punish those with lower incomes. Virtually all taxes and fines should be based on income.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:33 AM

48. I heard that healthy people die everyday.

 

I know I was shocked too.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:08 AM

72. Next you will tell us Euell Gibbons

and Jack La Lane are dead!

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:20 AM

54. OP Is Not even Overweight, Let Alone Obese. Neither Am I

Most of this relates to obesity. Some of us drink quite a bit of soda and still manage to avoid obesity, mostly by being physically active.

The sugar doesn't turn into fat if you're using the energy it is giving you.

Not all soda contains phosphoric acid. Not all soda contains high-fructose corn syrup.


Though it seems that whoever made up the graphic above wants us all to give up caffeine too. Notgonnahappen.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:35 AM

70. Scary Soda.....

From that chart if we could just ban soft drinks we could solve all of health cares boogieman.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:17 PM

25. Recommended. They use taxes to force us to use help them profit.

 

They won't let us collect our own rain water in some places, or freely generate solar power.

Why don't they tax luxury boats and cars and homes, instead?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:50 AM

80. Luxury boats, cars and houses are taxed.

Every year I have to pay property taxes on my house, license fees on my car and small boat.

As far as surgery drinks go, on the rare occasions I drink the stuff, the extra pennies wont make that much difference.

I can only hope the city of Berkeley will use the money generated from the tax to do some needed repairs on the roads or add it to education.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:37 PM

27. Exactly how much are you being taxed for your body weight?

Or is it one of those pesky things where childless couples complain about being taxed to pay for schools and hospitals and such? Are you being taxed for every carb you eat and where is that happening???

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Response to librechik (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:11 PM

97. Most of us

prefer the term "childfree" to "childless." Childless sounds like we are lacking something

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:42 PM

28. I enjoy a beer and a smoke occasionally.

I pay taxes on them, ostensibly to discourage me because of the cost to the public good that cigarettes and alcohol cause.

Soda -- and the obesity epidemic -- are also threats to the public health, and the government is discouraging them in the best, most realistic way they know how. At the very least we can hope the soda tax money raised in Berkley will go to public health in Berkley.

And you DID pay a tax on that venison: your hunting license.

(Personally, I'd tax gasoline far more, encouraging people to walk more, and spending the money raised on public transportation)

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:52 PM

29. Hey Bubba! What are you doin' on this side of the internets? n/t

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:29 PM

37. Is the tax *that* much of a hardship on you?

If it is, maybe you should lay off of unhealthy sodas/sugary drinks and stick to water.

Good God, what a thing to get worked up about. And it sounds so Yukon Barbie-ish.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:29 PM

38. There's plenty of other reasons Berkeley and you would not get along.

You just stay where you are, we'll all be happier. We don't like dog shooters out here either.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #38)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:38 PM

39. Berkeley is a fucking mess. I've lived there.

 

They do a few things really well and a lot of things very poorly.

I wouldn't live there again. I'd take parts of Oakland near Berkeley, but never Berkeley proper.

It's insane.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:53 PM

41. That's nice.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:36 AM

49. Berkeley worried about soda but has tons of

 

Population that can't afford housing. What priorities do they follow? Stunning.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:48 AM

63. Don't move here. Problem solved.

SF has worse housing probs, and voted down an anti eviction measure and a soda tax. I don't like that result, but I don't live in either city.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:56 PM

42. The "nanny state" is a far-right meme. Why are you using it? And problems with obesity

 

can only be addressed if society as a whole makes an effort.

It isn't just an individual and their "will power".

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:09 AM

43. you might want to reconsider your use of the term "nanny state"

Its a right wing buzzword if nobody ever told you.

And wtf does venison have to do with a tax on sugary drinks.

And sure you might be healthy now but why should I have to pay to treat your diabetes in ten years,

Sorry but I have no problem with this.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:33 AM

46. You're right. California is terrible. Never come here.

We'll manage without you somehow.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #46)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:19 AM

53. LOL!

*don't say anything about the OP executing the family dog and bragging on DU about it*

You're horrible.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #53)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:25 AM

55. Well that's not as upsetting as a sixteen cent tax on a can of Coke.

Jesus, you have fucked up priorities.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:49 AM

50. I understand their reasoning, but dissaprove of their actions

 

My husband is 6'2" - 160lbs, and to my dismay lives on sugar.

He fills his coffee cup 1/4 full of sugar, before he adds his coffee. He then drinks soda, all day. And at night, drinks his very sugary cherry Kool-Aid.

I've tried to persuade him to cut back on sugar. He does what he wants, anyway.

Here's the thing. He's upper 50s and very healthy.

I'd rather leave the soda problem to doctors, instead of politicians. If it's causing a health issue, I think people will be more inclined to listen to their doctors rather their politicians. And if it's not causing a health problem yet? I'm pretty sure my husband will listen to his doctor before he listens to me. Have doctors advise people about their sugar habits if there is a concern.

Oh well, at least I have him eating more vegetables and healthy proteins. He didn't like it at first, but he adapted.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:28 PM

94. +1 nt

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:38 AM

58. It's kind of funny --

-- how many people are more concerned with your use of the term "nanny state" than with the substance of your post.

"Nanny state" is not a RW meme. It's a term commonly used by people who actually believe in individual liberty to describe government overstepping its bounds. Another term for it is "paternalism." Either way, the point is that adult citizens are not children who need government to stand in loco parentis and manage every choice we make. I object to ALL "sin taxes." It's not the government's job to try to dissuade me from buying legal products at my own discretion. If something isn't dangerous enough to ban altogether, it's no one's business if I want to consume it.

Written while guzzling soda & chain smoking,
W&N

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Response to WhiteAndNerdy (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:37 PM

96. Sin taxes are NOT the same as banning products altogether.

Banning the purchase of products? THAT's paternalism.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:11 AM

66. Notes From Underground:

"I am a sick man ... I am a spiteful man. I am a most unpleasant man. I think my liver is diseased. Then again, I don't know a thing about my illness, I'm not even sure what hurts. I'm not being treated and never have been, though I respect both medicine and doctors. Besides, I'm extremely superstitious -- well at least enough to respect medicine. (I'm sufficiently educated not to be superstitious, but I am, anyway.) No, gentlemen, it's out of spite that I don't wish to be treated. ... Of course, I won't really be able to explain to you precisely who will be hurt by my spite in this case; I know perfectly well that I can't possibly 'get even' with doctors by refusing their treatment, I know better than anyone that all this is going to hurt me alone, and no one else. Even so, if I refuse to be treated, it's out of spite. My liver hurts? Good, let it hurt even more!"

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:38 AM

71. You should be taxed just because you hunt and may own firearms.

Of course you could use archery equipment to harvest deer, but you probably still use pure evil broadheads.


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Response to ileus (Reply #71)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:24 AM

73. Basic to this issue is "the policy is not about your behavior"

Yes, regulations, ordinances, and laws are meant to impact everyone. And overall, that's as it should be, because we really are supposed to all be in that part of society together.

Policies are aimed at the population. Laws typically are erected by majorities to benefit most of society.

No doubt about it, populations decomposes into individual units. Laws impact individuals as those impacts sum to society wide effects.

But, in the tradition of English and US law, a law intended to target one individual is immoral and unlawful.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:55 AM

81. They cannot monitor you HOME cooking

Chicken is not taxed. Potatoes are not taxed. Neither is cooking oil. They are considered food items. However, what is to prevent someone from deep frying that chicken and potatoes? Will the health police ever know what you are cooking at home? Nope, they can only target unhealthy food sold in restaurants and fast food places.

I only eat at fast food places maybe one or twice a YEAR, mostly when travelling. Don't tell mr that a couple of times a year is unhealthly or that I am going to get fat eating these things very rarely. Same with soda. I will PAY the Nanny State's "health" tax. I am 66 years old. The only time I have weighed more than 100 lbs was 30 years ago when I was pregnant. Nobody has ever said to me "don't eat or drink that or you will get FAT". Actually, I have had people say to me "have an extra Big Mac Supersize Meal for me".

Sorry, one size does not fit all.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:56 AM

82. Should you be taxed extra for smoking cigarettes?

 

Or do you oppose high taxes on those as well?

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:17 AM

101. You must be skin and bones.

 

But, then maybe I'm just being jealous.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:47 AM

105. No. The MANUFACTURERS should be taxed for making those products.

But of course we can't get coordinated action at a federal level, so instead we have to leave it to municipalities to set taxes at the point of sale.

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