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backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:24 PM Nov 2014

I'm 5 foot eight and weigh 155

should I be taxed for what I eat and drink?

Should I be taxed extra for drinking sugary drinks even if I am healthy?
Where do we stop the nanny state?

I have put about 300 pounds of venison in my freezer....how much should I be taxed?

Where does it end?

Should I be taxed for every carb I eat?

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I'm 5 foot eight and weigh 155 (Original Post) backwoodsbob Nov 2014 OP
Why do you ask? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #1
Heh, no response. Kind of like me asking why should I pay school taxes? MH1 Nov 2014 #68
Liquor taxes, that's another one that bugs me. MH1 Nov 2014 #69
I know what you mean. bravenak Nov 2014 #2
It does. Lacking orange juice for breakfast Warpy Nov 2014 #30
+ 1,000,000 KMOD Nov 2014 #31
Why not tax the crap foods and use those monies to subsidize healthy foods? nt arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #90
I'm all for subsidizing healthy food, KMOD Nov 2014 #93
Thanks! nt arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #95
Boxed cereal is way more expensive than eggs and oatmeal. Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #32
Fruit is very expensive though KMOD Nov 2014 #44
A pound and a half of chicken breast is like $8-$9. MillennialDem Nov 2014 #59
Which is why poor folks buy thighs Warpy Nov 2014 #61
I'm not disagreeing with that - just saying the protein ration of a young adult who works out is MillennialDem Nov 2014 #62
I buy chicken breasts when they're $1.99. meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #74
I've never seen fresh skinless chicken breast for less than $5 a pound here. MillennialDem Nov 2014 #75
I just bought a 4-pound package at... meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #76
Rural WI. MillennialDem Nov 2014 #85
Wow! There are tradeoffs, I suppose. meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #100
I hear you - I almost fell over when I went to NYC for the cost of one night in a hotel room. PLUS MillennialDem Nov 2014 #103
I'm very content riding my bike... meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #107
Wow! FrodosPet Nov 2014 #108
This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ Nov 2014 #83
Don't like it *shrug* MillennialDem Nov 2014 #84
Same for ground beef. n/t woodsprite Nov 2014 #102
Yep, at least the 95% lean stuff. So my two main sources of protein cost out the ass. ;) MillennialDem Nov 2014 #104
I told my family that the next time they eat any steak, it'll be in a restaurant. woodsprite Nov 2014 #109
Not the stuff that comes in plastic bags Warpy Nov 2014 #60
I have two teenage boys who play sports Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #64
One thing is cheaper than instant oats. Non-instant oats, especially if bought in bulk. MH1 Nov 2014 #67
I cannot eat instant oats or non-instant oats (the five minute kind). meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #79
I don't cook my oats KMOD Nov 2014 #98
I did this with skim milk jen63 Nov 2014 #65
When I was doing the nutrition thing Warpy Nov 2014 #86
The tricks we learn to use jen63 Nov 2014 #87
I never had kids, I was just cheap Warpy Nov 2014 #89
Oh me too Warpy. jen63 Nov 2014 #91
My father did that in the 1950s. meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #78
We had macaroni and peas on Monday nights and peas and macaroni on Thursday nights!!! Really... winstars Nov 2014 #99
+1 bravenak Nov 2014 #35
bottled fruit juice has no nutritional value formernaderite Nov 2014 #77
That's why I don't believe in regressive taxes, period. Even for cigarettes. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #45
Me neither. It's stupid. bravenak Nov 2014 #47
Here's some sage advice... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #3
sounds a lot like right wing radio juxtaposed Nov 2014 #4
So the merits AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #6
Not liberalism lancer78 Nov 2014 #10
Agreed AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #16
. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #5
1791 tax on alcohol and tobacco . Were not concerned when it didn't concern you? lunasun Nov 2014 #7
. scarystuffyo Nov 2014 #15
what the hell does martin niemoller have to do with the op? juxtaposed Nov 2014 #19
Translation: Gun lovers in America are just like the Jews were in Germany Electric Monk Nov 2014 #22
Godwin strikes again ;) nt arthritisR_US Nov 2014 #92
Soda drinkers are facing genocide, apparently. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #36
no shit,, first coke? I was not a coke drinker--- then Pepsi still not a fan. all were gone and juxtaposed Nov 2014 #40
Well, goddamn. This could be the issue that unites us all. Orsino Nov 2014 #88
The nanny state soda tax is regressive LittleBlue Nov 2014 #8
Food taxes should be abolished along with all the other regressive taxes Kalidurga Nov 2014 #9
I agree... taxing necessities is bullshit. SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #13
I completely agree. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #51
I have to agree on the pizza Kalidurga Nov 2014 #52
Me too! ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #56
probably one of the reasons I like it. Kalidurga Nov 2014 #57
Venison has no carbs. You should be paid for eating it. postulater Nov 2014 #11
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #14
Civility, please! Who ARE these people who archive links to try to intimidate other members? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #23
Speaking of creepy, another gun lover standing up for gun lovers, "because gunz". Electric Monk Nov 2014 #24
I'm against all sin tax scarystuffyo Nov 2014 #12
I would like to see the term "nanny state" disappear - The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #17
"nanny state" to me in this thread is a Freudian Slip, I hear it all the time on r/w radio juxtaposed Nov 2014 #21
Yep n/t Strelnikov_ Nov 2014 #34
I strongly second that emotion. nt raccoon Nov 2014 #106
You already are taxed for what you eat and drink. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #18
I don't pay taxes on food at the grocery store madville Nov 2014 #33
I agree 110% handmade34 Nov 2014 #20
The exact same argument can be made for all simple carbohydrates Major Nikon Nov 2014 #26
I heard that healthy people die everyday. yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #48
Next you will tell us Euell Gibbons whistler162 Nov 2014 #72
OP Is Not even Overweight, Let Alone Obese. Neither Am I AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #54
Scary Soda..... ileus Nov 2014 #70
Recommended. They use taxes to force us to use help them profit. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #25
Luxury boats, cars and houses are taxed. Mz Pip Nov 2014 #80
Exactly how much are you being taxed for your body weight? librechik Nov 2014 #27
Most of us PasadenaTrudy Nov 2014 #97
I enjoy a beer and a smoke occasionally. Nevernose Nov 2014 #28
Hey Bubba! What are you doin' on this side of the internets? n/t FourScore Nov 2014 #29
Is the tax *that* much of a hardship on you? SMC22307 Nov 2014 #37
There's plenty of other reasons Berkeley and you would not get along. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #38
Berkeley is a fucking mess. I've lived there. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #39
That's nice. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #41
Berkeley worried about soda but has tons of yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #49
Don't move here. Problem solved. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #63
The "nanny state" is a far-right meme. Why are you using it? And problems with obesity KittyWampus Nov 2014 #42
you might want to reconsider your use of the term "nanny state" tularetom Nov 2014 #43
You're right. California is terrible. Never come here. LeftyMom Nov 2014 #46
LOL! flvegan Nov 2014 #53
Well that's not as upsetting as a sixteen cent tax on a can of Coke. LeftyMom Nov 2014 #55
I understand their reasoning, but dissaprove of their actions KMOD Nov 2014 #50
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #94
It's kind of funny -- WhiteAndNerdy Nov 2014 #58
Sin taxes are NOT the same as banning products altogether. alp227 Nov 2014 #96
Notes From Underground: betsuni Nov 2014 #66
You should be taxed just because you hunt and may own firearms. ileus Nov 2014 #71
Basic to this issue is "the policy is not about your behavior" HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #73
They cannot monitor you HOME cooking HockeyMom Nov 2014 #81
Should you be taxed extra for smoking cigarettes? oberliner Nov 2014 #82
You must be skin and bones. B Calm Nov 2014 #101
No. The MANUFACTURERS should be taxed for making those products. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #105

MH1

(17,726 posts)
68. Heh, no response. Kind of like me asking why should I pay school taxes?
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:23 AM
Nov 2014

I have no kids in school.

I have no kids.

Why the hell should I pay school taxes?

* psst, this is sarcasm, in cases it isn't abundantly obvious.

MH1

(17,726 posts)
69. Liquor taxes, that's another one that bugs me.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:28 AM
Nov 2014

I drink occasionally and am not remotely alcoholic. (so I claim, anyway)

Alcohol is not harmful to me, it is a feature not a bug.

Why should it be taxed?

And this whole drug decriminalization thing, they say they want to legalize it and TAX it so the taxes can be used to help people with addiction issues. But I have no addiction issues. (ok, caffeine and chocolate, but no one is offering to help me with those!) Why should I support this tax?

* psst sarcasm again.

Me ... me ... me .... me ........

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
2. I know what you mean.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:26 PM
Nov 2014

I don't believe in adding extra taxes to food to curb behaviors I don't like. It ends up hurting the poor.

Warpy

(111,783 posts)
30. It does. Lacking orange juice for breakfast
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:58 PM
Nov 2014

they feed the kids orange flavored stuff that has some vitamin C in it if they're lucky. Orange juice and oranges are out of reach. The kids eat sugary cereal with fake fruit because they can't afford the blueberries (or eggs) for blueberry pancakes or hot oatmeal with fruit.

I see the choices people with EBT cards have to make and it's heartbreaking. Yes, the kids are drinking too much soda, but they can't afford fruit juices and some kids can't drink milk. Water gets boring and the kids rebel.

I say that if they want to tax one thing, they need to subsidize a replacement. When fruit juices are subsidized and are cheaper than highly taxed soda, people will give the kids fruit juice and be glad to do it.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
31. + 1,000,000
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:09 PM
Nov 2014

It's so disappointing that healthy foods are too expensive for the people who need it the most.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
44. Fruit is very expensive though
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:27 AM
Nov 2014

Part of it may be convenience, yes, it's easier to pour a bowl of cereal than to make a decent breakfast.

But the overall point is, it's expensive to eat healthy. Fruit, fish, proteins with the exception of beans are expensive.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
62. I'm not disagreeing with that - just saying the protein ration of a young adult who works out is
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:20 AM
Nov 2014

$240 a month.

Plus a few plant foods and snacks and it's ridiculous.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
74. I buy chicken breasts when they're $1.99.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:39 AM
Nov 2014

Brine them and grill them with a sprinkle of cayenne. When the kids want a snack or a sandwich or a salad there's always grilled chicken in the refrigerator. Thighs are often $.99 a pound. Main ingredient for Chicken and Forty Cloves. Just like grandma used to make.

The "healthy food is too expensive" meme is bogus.

When you remove the junk from your shopping cart you'll be amazed at how much is left for fruits, vegetables, fresh fish and lean meats.

BTW: The cost per calorie metric is also bogus.

Oh yeah... Straight orange juice is way too sweet for me. Quarter of a glass of juice then fill to the top with water. It goes a long way.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
76. I just bought a 4-pound package at...
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:33 AM
Nov 2014

Stop 'n Shop in NYC for $1.99 per pound. Literally, ten minutes ago.

There's also a butcher shop nearby that sells for that price every day.

I thought that NYC had the highest prices. Where are you?

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
100. Wow! There are tradeoffs, I suppose.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 07:12 AM
Nov 2014

We have supermarkets every few blocks so I can shop around for groceries.

Of course, rent for a tiny one bedroom apartment starts at $2,000 per month.

The cost of high ticket items here (housing, taxes, insurance...) are astronomical.

It's a real struggle for most young people. We're well established, but just our housing expenses amount to nearly $3,000 per month. And we don't even have a mortgage. A young family in their first home would then have to add $2,000-$3,000 more in mortgage expense.

We're contemplating a move because we can cut our fixed expenses by more than half. Being a city dweller for 60+ years I'm not sure I can even think about rural life.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
103. I hear you - I almost fell over when I went to NYC for the cost of one night in a hotel room. PLUS
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:12 AM
Nov 2014

as you said "the rent is too damn high". My mortgage AND property taxes for a home with 1300 square feet (plus 1300 square feet in the basement AND 1300 square feet in the attic) is $1200/month.

But going anywhere is inconvenient and as you've seen the cost of healthy food is astronomical. The only thing I wouldn't like about city life (besides the costs) would be the lack of open space for winding up a sports car.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
107. I'm very content riding my bike...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:54 AM
Nov 2014

at the speed limit.

We have a very long stretch of oceanfront here that's a real pleasure to ride. I can make a forty mile circuit completely surrounded by water. If I want long winding "country" roads I have to travel far north or farther west.

Life is about compromise.

P.S. I also love riding in the city, but I've been sideswiped and rear-ended more than once. Lost my 1984 Honda in Sandy and I've been preoccupied with house repairs. I'll start shopping for a new bike in a few months.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
108. Wow!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:55 AM
Nov 2014

I was floored when I saw boneless breast was $3.50 a pound in Michigan. Are you in Alaska or Hawaii or NYC? How bad are frozen vegetables? Bird's Eye here are about $1.50 to $1.66 a pound (3 bags for $5.00 on my latest trip to the store)

Response to MillennialDem (Reply #59)

woodsprite

(11,969 posts)
109. I told my family that the next time they eat any steak, it'll be in a restaurant.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:11 AM
Nov 2014

I certainly can't cook it like a chef can, and the darned price was $22 for two small, not so great looking strip steaks at the store last night. We need at least 3 to feed 4 of us (so 2 packs). My just turned 14yo son is starting on another growth spurt, which I certainly don't mind, but I'm having to fill out meals with things we don't usually have for dinner. I've added one or two of the following at dinner: biscuits, muffins, potatoes, dumplings, pasta, yogurt or cottage cheese.

Thankfully, my daughter and I have been switching to a low carb plan, so we've been experimenting with other proteins. That first trip to the grocery to stock up though was crazy (like over $250) and it was mainly fresh produce, meat, cheeses, and beans -- some things I did splurge on like a mid-value olive oil and balsamic vinegar. This week was much better since I just had to restock what we used up AND we ran into a sale for chicken at the Acme -- buy one, get one free for boneless chicken. I refused to spend $15.00 on a package of ground meat to make chili, so this week I'm making white bean chicken chili!

Warpy

(111,783 posts)
60. Not the stuff that comes in plastic bags
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:17 AM
Nov 2014

that the kids will actually eat.

I know a lot of poorer moms who buy the stuff in the bags and put it into a brand name box they've used for years. The kids don't start to get wise until they're in fourth grade or so.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
64. I have two teenage boys who play sports
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:48 AM
Nov 2014

I buy the malto mix cereal all the time. It is fairly unhealthy but they like it and their caloric needs are high.I am a bodybuilder. I buy tons of oatmeal and egs for me. There is nothing cheaper than instant oats. A dozen eggs is a dollar.

MH1

(17,726 posts)
67. One thing is cheaper than instant oats. Non-instant oats, especially if bought in bulk.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:14 AM
Nov 2014

I buy organic thick-rolled oats - which taste so much better than instant - and they are cheaper than anything you'll buy in a box. Add a few raisins, also bulk purchased, and you bump up the price per serving, but not by much.

But,

a) poorer folks may not have access to such a great store that provides bulk foods like oatmeal and raisins. (But they can probably buy a canister of non-instant oats. Non instant oats adds 1 - 4 minutes to the cooking time, depending on whether you like having to clean the microwave afterward.)
b) if all the kids will eat is the flavored instant crap, I agree that is probably cheaper healthier than most other boxed cereals.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
79. I cannot eat instant oats or non-instant oats (the five minute kind).
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:41 AM
Nov 2014

I like steel cut Irish oatmeal, but it's very expensive so I buy it in bulk when it's $2.39 for an 18 ounce package.

It cooks for 30 minutes but it's a thousand times better tasting than the Quaker stuff.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
98. I don't cook my oats
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:45 PM
Nov 2014

I make it after dinner, mixing equal parts of oats and milk (you can use whatever liquid you prefer), sprinkle in some fruit and walnuts and put in the refrigerator.

In the morning I take it out of the refrigerator and eat it. Easy and delish. And if you still prefer it warm, you can always microwave it for a few seconds or heat it up in a sauce pan.

jen63

(813 posts)
65. I did this with skim milk
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:01 AM
Nov 2014

and my kid didn't know the difference until I told him. He was amazed, lol!

Warpy

(111,783 posts)
86. When I was doing the nutrition thing
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:58 PM
Nov 2014

I used to tell people with bunches of kids who all drank milk to keep the jugs, make up a gallon of powdered skim milk for every gallon they bought and mix them half and half.

Their kids never caught on.

It's always seemed weird that powdered milk was cheaper than whole milk but i guess the processing was cheaper than fast shipping, constant refrigeration, and spoilage.

Warpy

(111,783 posts)
89. I never had kids, I was just cheap
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:13 PM
Nov 2014

and people told me I pinched pennies so hard they could hear Lincoln groan.

I'm great at being poor. Now that I'm middle class, I have no clue what I'm doing half the time.

But yeah, I was always full of hints for parents who were struggling.

jen63

(813 posts)
91. Oh me too Warpy.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:17 PM
Nov 2014

I didn't think I wanted any, but I got a surprise while on the pill. Love him dearly, but he's the only one! I hear you about Lincoln groaning also!. I'm poor and a lot of the time it was just me and my boy. It's a struggle. He will have a better life than I did thank gawd.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
78. My father did that in the 1950s.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:35 AM
Nov 2014

We were wise to it, but ate it anyway. He worked in sweat shop and we ran out of money by the middle of every week.

Macaroni and peas every Thursday night.

formernaderite

(2,436 posts)
77. bottled fruit juice has no nutritional value
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:33 AM
Nov 2014

its sugar... thirsty? drink water. sugary cereal... actually cereal in general is pretty expensive. Making food from scratch is still the cheapest way to go. Eggs are not expensive compared to cereal, neither is oatmeal. I realize people have forgotten how to cook real food, but it's not more expensive to buy actual food as opposed to ready made. I do realize that for some poor people, there is little access to good food, because of where they live.

 

scarystuffyo

(733 posts)
15. .
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:39 PM
Nov 2014

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me


Martin Niemöller

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
22. Translation: Gun lovers in America are just like the Jews were in Germany
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:13 PM
Nov 2014

Very much a right wing meme.

Here's an example of another variation on it:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017218293

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
40. no shit,, first coke? I was not a coke drinker--- then Pepsi still not a fan. all were gone and
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:39 PM
Nov 2014

they came for moxie and I was moxie & no one was left

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
88. Well, goddamn. This could be the issue that unites us all.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:11 PM
Nov 2014

In the face of a Republican takeover of Congress, there is nothing more critical than the possibility of minor regressive taxation on food and beverages.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
8. The nanny state soda tax is regressive
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:34 PM
Nov 2014

The rich won't care about it because the amount they'd pay is irrelevant. The poor will feel it, though.

It doesn't even make logical sense, there are plenty of ways to get overweight besides sugar. Fats and grain probably contribute more to obesity than sugar. Cholesterol comes from animal products, not soda.

I don't consider this progressive at all. It's illogical, tax-regressive nanny state nonsense.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
51. I completely agree.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:57 AM
Nov 2014

No food tax. Maybe a service tax in a restaurant, but don't tax food.

And pizza should be single payer. Just kidding. Or am I? Hmmmm.....

Response to postulater (Reply #11)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,551 posts)
17. I would like to see the term "nanny state" disappear -
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:49 PM
Nov 2014

at least from DU. It's a classic RW propaganda term. While it's fair to debate how and when personal behavior should be regulated, let's discuss it in terms of reasonable regulation. The term "nanny state," however, is mostly a conservative/libertarian sneering jab at all regulation aimed at arguably unsafe personal behavior. Some people call requiring the use of seat belts in cars or the wearing of motorcycle helmets or the taxation of cigarettes and alcohol "nanny-stateism." Debate the reasonableness of these regulations all you want but please, let's dump the "nanny state" crap.

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
21. "nanny state" to me in this thread is a Freudian Slip, I hear it all the time on r/w radio
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:13 PM
Nov 2014

anyone ever says nanny state to me in a conversation 9 times out of ten I know what side of the fence they're on

madville

(7,413 posts)
33. I don't pay taxes on food at the grocery store
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:13 PM
Nov 2014

Here in Florida most "unprepared" food and drink is tax free.

Now if I go to the grocery store deli and buy an 8 piece fried chicken, a sub sandwich and an iced sweet tea it's all taxed.

If I buy a raw chicken, bread, sandwich meat, mayonnaise, mustard, a tomato, cheese, tea bags and some sugar it's all tax free.

Sales tax is only applied to "prepared" foods here.

Major Nikon

(36,843 posts)
26. The exact same argument can be made for all simple carbohydrates
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:26 PM
Nov 2014

You can buy a 2 liter bottle of soda for 88 cents. Even doubling the price won't discourage all that many and will simply unfairly punish those with lower incomes. Virtually all taxes and fines should be based on income.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
54. OP Is Not even Overweight, Let Alone Obese. Neither Am I
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:20 AM
Nov 2014

Most of this relates to obesity. Some of us drink quite a bit of soda and still manage to avoid obesity, mostly by being physically active.

The sugar doesn't turn into fat if you're using the energy it is giving you.

Not all soda contains phosphoric acid. Not all soda contains high-fructose corn syrup.


Though it seems that whoever made up the graphic above wants us all to give up caffeine too. Notgonnahappen.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
70. Scary Soda.....
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:35 AM
Nov 2014

From that chart if we could just ban soft drinks we could solve all of health cares boogieman.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
25. Recommended. They use taxes to force us to use help them profit.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:17 PM
Nov 2014

They won't let us collect our own rain water in some places, or freely generate solar power.

Why don't they tax luxury boats and cars and homes, instead?

Mz Pip

(27,497 posts)
80. Luxury boats, cars and houses are taxed.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:50 AM
Nov 2014

Every year I have to pay property taxes on my house, license fees on my car and small boat.

As far as surgery drinks go, on the rare occasions I drink the stuff, the extra pennies wont make that much difference.

I can only hope the city of Berkeley will use the money generated from the tax to do some needed repairs on the roads or add it to education.

librechik

(30,693 posts)
27. Exactly how much are you being taxed for your body weight?
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:37 PM
Nov 2014

Or is it one of those pesky things where childless couples complain about being taxed to pay for schools and hospitals and such? Are you being taxed for every carb you eat and where is that happening???

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
28. I enjoy a beer and a smoke occasionally.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:42 PM
Nov 2014

I pay taxes on them, ostensibly to discourage me because of the cost to the public good that cigarettes and alcohol cause.

Soda -- and the obesity epidemic -- are also threats to the public health, and the government is discouraging them in the best, most realistic way they know how. At the very least we can hope the soda tax money raised in Berkley will go to public health in Berkley.

And you DID pay a tax on that venison: your hunting license.

(Personally, I'd tax gasoline far more, encouraging people to walk more, and spending the money raised on public transportation)

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
37. Is the tax *that* much of a hardship on you?
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:29 PM
Nov 2014

If it is, maybe you should lay off of unhealthy sodas/sugary drinks and stick to water.

Good God, what a thing to get worked up about. And it sounds so Yukon Barbie-ish.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
38. There's plenty of other reasons Berkeley and you would not get along.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:29 PM
Nov 2014

You just stay where you are, we'll all be happier. We don't like dog shooters out here either.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
39. Berkeley is a fucking mess. I've lived there.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:38 PM
Nov 2014

They do a few things really well and a lot of things very poorly.

I wouldn't live there again. I'd take parts of Oakland near Berkeley, but never Berkeley proper.

It's insane.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
49. Berkeley worried about soda but has tons of
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:36 AM
Nov 2014

Population that can't afford housing. What priorities do they follow? Stunning.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
63. Don't move here. Problem solved.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:48 AM
Nov 2014

SF has worse housing probs, and voted down an anti eviction measure and a soda tax. I don't like that result, but I don't live in either city.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
42. The "nanny state" is a far-right meme. Why are you using it? And problems with obesity
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:56 PM
Nov 2014

can only be addressed if society as a whole makes an effort.

It isn't just an individual and their "will power".

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
43. you might want to reconsider your use of the term "nanny state"
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:09 AM
Nov 2014

Its a right wing buzzword if nobody ever told you.

And wtf does venison have to do with a tax on sugary drinks.

And sure you might be healthy now but why should I have to pay to treat your diabetes in ten years,

Sorry but I have no problem with this.

flvegan

(64,444 posts)
53. LOL!
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:19 AM
Nov 2014

*don't say anything about the OP executing the family dog and bragging on DU about it*

You're horrible.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
55. Well that's not as upsetting as a sixteen cent tax on a can of Coke.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:25 AM
Nov 2014

Jesus, you have fucked up priorities.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
50. I understand their reasoning, but dissaprove of their actions
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:49 AM
Nov 2014

My husband is 6'2" - 160lbs, and to my dismay lives on sugar.

He fills his coffee cup 1/4 full of sugar, before he adds his coffee. He then drinks soda, all day. And at night, drinks his very sugary cherry Kool-Aid.

I've tried to persuade him to cut back on sugar. He does what he wants, anyway.

Here's the thing. He's upper 50s and very healthy.

I'd rather leave the soda problem to doctors, instead of politicians. If it's causing a health issue, I think people will be more inclined to listen to their doctors rather their politicians. And if it's not causing a health problem yet? I'm pretty sure my husband will listen to his doctor before he listens to me. Have doctors advise people about their sugar habits if there is a concern.

Oh well, at least I have him eating more vegetables and healthy proteins. He didn't like it at first, but he adapted.

WhiteAndNerdy

(365 posts)
58. It's kind of funny --
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:38 AM
Nov 2014

-- how many people are more concerned with your use of the term "nanny state" than with the substance of your post.

"Nanny state" is not a RW meme. It's a term commonly used by people who actually believe in individual liberty to describe government overstepping its bounds. Another term for it is "paternalism." Either way, the point is that adult citizens are not children who need government to stand in loco parentis and manage every choice we make. I object to ALL "sin taxes." It's not the government's job to try to dissuade me from buying legal products at my own discretion. If something isn't dangerous enough to ban altogether, it's no one's business if I want to consume it.

Written while guzzling soda & chain smoking,
W&N

alp227

(32,188 posts)
96. Sin taxes are NOT the same as banning products altogether.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:37 PM
Nov 2014

Banning the purchase of products? THAT's paternalism.

betsuni

(26,203 posts)
66. Notes From Underground:
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:11 AM
Nov 2014

"I am a sick man ... I am a spiteful man. I am a most unpleasant man. I think my liver is diseased. Then again, I don't know a thing about my illness, I'm not even sure what hurts. I'm not being treated and never have been, though I respect both medicine and doctors. Besides, I'm extremely superstitious -- well at least enough to respect medicine. (I'm sufficiently educated not to be superstitious, but I am, anyway.) No, gentlemen, it's out of spite that I don't wish to be treated. ... Of course, I won't really be able to explain to you precisely who will be hurt by my spite in this case; I know perfectly well that I can't possibly 'get even' with doctors by refusing their treatment, I know better than anyone that all this is going to hurt me alone, and no one else. Even so, if I refuse to be treated, it's out of spite. My liver hurts? Good, let it hurt even more!"

ileus

(15,396 posts)
71. You should be taxed just because you hunt and may own firearms.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:38 AM
Nov 2014

Of course you could use archery equipment to harvest deer, but you probably still use pure evil broadheads.


HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
73. Basic to this issue is "the policy is not about your behavior"
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:24 AM
Nov 2014

Yes, regulations, ordinances, and laws are meant to impact everyone. And overall, that's as it should be, because we really are supposed to all be in that part of society together.

Policies are aimed at the population. Laws typically are erected by majorities to benefit most of society.

No doubt about it, populations decomposes into individual units. Laws impact individuals as those impacts sum to society wide effects.

But, in the tradition of English and US law, a law intended to target one individual is immoral and unlawful.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
81. They cannot monitor you HOME cooking
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:55 AM
Nov 2014

Chicken is not taxed. Potatoes are not taxed. Neither is cooking oil. They are considered food items. However, what is to prevent someone from deep frying that chicken and potatoes? Will the health police ever know what you are cooking at home? Nope, they can only target unhealthy food sold in restaurants and fast food places.

I only eat at fast food places maybe one or twice a YEAR, mostly when travelling. Don't tell mr that a couple of times a year is unhealthly or that I am going to get fat eating these things very rarely. Same with soda. I will PAY the Nanny State's "health" tax. I am 66 years old. The only time I have weighed more than 100 lbs was 30 years ago when I was pregnant. Nobody has ever said to me "don't eat or drink that or you will get FAT". Actually, I have had people say to me "have an extra Big Mac Supersize Meal for me".

Sorry, one size does not fit all.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
105. No. The MANUFACTURERS should be taxed for making those products.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:47 AM
Nov 2014

But of course we can't get coordinated action at a federal level, so instead we have to leave it to municipalities to set taxes at the point of sale.

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