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Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:33 PM

DWS needs to step down NOW !!

Win or lose tonight - no matter what the results - we could have done a hell of a lot better !

We had to rely on Bill Maher (only one I know) to tout Obama's numerous achievements to the masses.

Any party leader worth their salt would have compiled a list of achievements and sent it to every single frickin Dem to constantly throw to the press.

We let the right define that Obama failed. Most Dems co-opted. The idea has reached critical mass. But it is not true ! And even the press doesn't challenge

DWS should step down and we need a true PR genius type with a great organizationally skilled team to take full and complete charge.

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Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 OP
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #1
morningfog Nov 2014 #4
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Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #25
amandabeech Nov 2014 #89
TBF Nov 2014 #116
mountain grammy Nov 2014 #48
narnian60 Nov 2014 #59
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #61
Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2014 #137
Tweedy Nov 2014 #83
7962 Nov 2014 #100
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #102
7962 Nov 2014 #109
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #112
Nay Nov 2014 #79
Tweedy Nov 2014 #86
DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #94
cascadiance Nov 2014 #122
djean111 Nov 2014 #127
cascadiance Nov 2014 #128
philly_bob Nov 2014 #113
flamingdem Nov 2014 #2
Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #10
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #14
Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #18
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Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #28
appal_jack Nov 2014 #42
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Mr.Bill Nov 2014 #40
Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2014 #138
Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #47
Hekate Nov 2014 #76
jmowreader Nov 2014 #78
DeSwiss Nov 2014 #132
jmowreader Nov 2014 #135
Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2014 #139
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Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #11
dorkzilla Nov 2014 #41
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Erose999 Nov 2014 #130
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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:35 PM

1. She was one of the last remaining PUMAs to

 

support Obama. Somehow it doesn't surprise me at all that she's not touting his record

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:38 PM

4. A big Dem loss now helps Hillary in 2016.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:48 PM

20. I don't think so. I think we overestimate the

 

intelligence of the American people. One could assume that a loss benefits Hillary but I am predicting that NO Democrat can win if Obama's agenda continues to be thwarted by Republicans and he can't get things done. The Republican candidate will have ammunition against Hillary, and she can't distance herself from Obama too much; she'll alienate black voters. Plus, she was a member of his cabinet.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:53 PM

25. Surely there is some point where the critical masses actually FEEL

that things are better. (And don't have to be schooled on it).

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:31 PM

89. Yes, it doesn't feel like the mid to late '90s because it isn't.

 

If people feel that the economy isn't going anywhere, they'll just resent anyone telling them that the economy is good and that they're stupid for not feeling it.

If the economy isn't going then it's time to throw out the bums. The pukes convinced people that Obama and his party were the bums, and really we Dems didn't have a lot to contradict the claim that people could really see and feel.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:52 AM

116. Define "better" -

the 1% and their minions benefited from the so-called recovery. The masses are lucky if they are making $25K a year - if their job hasn't been sent to the Phillippines.

So they blame whichever party isn't in power. Currently they've jumped on the conservative culture bandwagon.

Democrats need to show they are creating jobs that pay $$$ - not shipping jobs overseas via NAFTA or TPP. We need to organize and rebuild unions.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:25 PM

48. I think we underestimate the downright meanness and selfishness of the American people.

I like to think they're just stupid and uninformed, but lately, I think Republicans are Republicans because they dislike and distrust their fellow man. They believe if someone is poor or sick, it's just their own fault and they should just work harder. They range from simply not liking minorities to all out racists and want more religion in government. Republican people pay attention to elections and focus on the candidate that tells them the crap they want to hear. They always vote party line, and they win. There are just more of them outside of urban area.

Most Republicans I know, not all but most, are mean people. Most are racists. They don't see the huge inequalities in America today because they just don't care.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:40 PM

59. +100

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:42 PM

61. But....it doesn't have to be that way, does it? Can't someone bring out

the part that is good? I still blame dipshit Sarah Palin for opening the hate door. Obama had the support of so many until she implied "It's ok to hate him. You can hate him and act like it has nothing to do with race."

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #61)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 09:35 PM

137. Only if they can be deprogramed

 

Which isn't in the cards unless.... Well, it's just not in the cards!

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:28 PM

83. Not in my corner of this country

Most of the republicans I know support minimum wage increases, and strengthening social security and Medicare. They want the government to work and they are sick of obstruction. When anyone tries to show them the truth (Paul Ryan's many soc sec and Medicare destroying budgets, GOP statements against minimum wage increase and the record number of filibusters), these otherwise intelligent folks tell me, "no, that was Reid and Obama. They live in a political reality that is dang near impenetrable since they have been warned against liberal brainwashers. How they are reached with the reality I do not know, but these folks are not mean, just seriously deluded when it comes to politics.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:53 PM

100. You're overestimating the competence of the GOP!

 

They have shown many times that they can screw up their chance to widen a majority. The ONLY chance they have in '16 is if they actually get important things passed in the next 2 yrs. And I'm betting that it will just be a fight with the tea party vs the rest of them, and if they do nothing, it WILL hurt their candidate in '16.
They're not getting the votes tonight because people like them, its because some people are just tired of Obama & Reid. Not unusual after 6 yrs.
I even know one person who liked their Dem senate candidate, but they didnt like Harry reid. She said I cant vote against Reid, so I have to vote against Nunn. That wont be the case in 2 yrs.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #100)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:56 PM

102. After what just happened tonight? I would challenge you to rethink this.

 

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #102)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:37 AM

109. Just watch the next 2 years. I believe I'll be right.

 

They COULD really help themselves like what happened with Clinton in the '90s. But if they follow the lead of Ted Cruz, its all over. I'm fairly sure they'll let this victory go to their head instead of USING their heads.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #109)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:54 AM

112. I hope you're right! The corporate media has been on their side pushing their memes.

 

Tonight has been more of a disappointment than I had anticipated, that's for sure.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:20 PM

79. Are you joking? You think the teabag mouthbreathers came out for this

election? Wait until Hillary runs. My god. She would be destroyed. Even if every Dem voted, we'd be overrun with the crazies.

Honestly, folks, the people in this country have turned into monsters. We have to realize this. Now what do we do?

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Response to Nay (Reply #79)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:30 PM

86. Not so

The map was skewed red this time. 2016 is still the democrats to lose.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:41 PM

94. abnd there we have the reason

This is a set up topunish the left who rejected Clinton, to know we all have to tow the line and shut up and like our poverty. The florida democratic party is the best friend the GOP has, and it was a poor place to pick a leader from.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:49 AM

122. If Obama bends on SS, TPP, and other crap he has a corporatist bent on, it could hurt her...

 

... and show America that it really needs NON-corporatist and more populist type leadership in the White House. Hillary will be shown to not be fitting the bill of what will be needed to take our country back from the "corporate persons" that are now almost a terminal stage cancer in both parties if we don't do some heavy doses of chemo and get rid of the infected matter from government.

Republicans will have less excuses in 2016 if they control both houses of congress, and Democrats who capitulate and make things worse will also be shown the door too.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #122)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:06 PM

127. "SS, TPP, and other crap he has a corporatist bent on" - and how is Hillary different?

 

She helped WRITE the TPP, FFS.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #127)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:31 PM

128. That's my point!

 

If Obama, as our one Democratic controlled institution in our government now bends on TPP, letting Keystone pipeline being built, cutting back on SS, etc., many will point to that capitulation and ask if we want another president later who would capitulate to the corporatist controlling entities in our government as well, which Hillary Clinton has shown herself to be on many of these issues.

If Obama capitulates, and people start to feel in the trenches losses of more jobs overseas and to H-1B visas, and are forced to continue working at McDonald's jobs taking away jobs from young people instead of retiring when they lost on SS and other retirement plan benefits like 401Ks and IRAs that will have either gotten sold off early or blown up in the stock market, it will really have them wondering on why we should want corporatist leadership when progressives will have had NOTHING to do with putting in this crap that they will be dealing with over the next two years. Thom Hartmann's prediction of another stock market crash will likely happen too, and then people will be saying we really need more POPULISTS in government to push back on the corporate drive towards fascism that we have now that is infecting both parties.

We just need to make sure that progressive populists outnumber the tea party so-called populists that are manipulated in to working for the 1% even if they reject such notions outwardly. Such tea parties have been "allowed" by the Republicans to have more voice to allow Republicans to get more votes to take control now and push down progressives further.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:14 AM

113. Urban Dictionary definition of PUMA

Acronym for Party Unity My Ass. Disenfrachised Hillary Clinton supporters not willing to support Obama, or the Democratic Party for nominating him.They feel he is unelectable and powerless to elicit the change he promises.They advocate voting for McCain/Palin,or not voting at all as a protest.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:36 PM

2. Great idea

Who to replace her?

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:42 PM

10. John Dean?

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:43 PM

14. Shirley you mean Howard?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:47 PM

18. I was jesting, I meant JIM DEAN. Doh! My bad.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:54 PM

26. Jim Beam?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:55 PM

28. No, I think the Dem party is suffering from a massive hangover.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:16 PM

42. 'Hair of the Dog' for party chair... nt

 

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:56 PM

131. John Walker

on the rocks.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:11 PM

40. I'm in!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 09:37 PM

138. James Dean

 

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:25 PM

47. Jimmy Dean?

 



Big John, Big John, Big Bad John

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:08 PM

76. You know what they say about politics being like making sausages..... nt

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:11 PM

78. Not the sausage guy!

Jimmy Dean died in 2010.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #78)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 04:42 PM

132. Too much sausage, no doubt.....

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #132)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:54 PM

135. The next question comes to mind...

How was he feeding 600 pounds of men and one woman who was just a little bit chubby with just 16 ounces of sausage?

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #135)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 09:41 PM

139. Don't forget the ravenous daughter!

 

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #139)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 10:23 PM

142. Or the two dozen eggs and the T-bone steaks they eat along with the sausage

Proof I'm a Northerner: I can't imagine them not needing two rolls even when they weighed 16 ounces!

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #142)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 11:19 PM

143. Talk about future heart attacks! And no health care to boot, I'd wager!

 

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:42 PM

11. Bill Maher. Geez, I don't even know.. if there was someone

we would have known. Is Mario Cuomo out of pocket? Gotta be someone who can pull at heart strings - AND knows how to get a message out.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:14 PM

41. Before his hinee-hole of a son got elected I would have loved to have Mario in that position

..but the sins of the son will overshadow him

Time to have Howard Dean step back in...

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:36 PM

56. I hear ya D...but there is no one as eloquent, is there? nt

"I watched a small man with thick calluses on both hands work 15 and 16 hours a day. I saw him once literally bleed from the bottoms of his feet, a man who came here uneducated, alone, unable to speak the language, who taught me all I needed to know about faith and hard work by the simple eloquence of his example."

Mario Cuomo

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #56)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:04 PM

74. Oh, don't get me wrong, I love Mario

In fact he is so venerated that my Dad and I refer to him as "Saint Mario." One of the greatest radio shows ever was a show called "Me and Mario" with the PoliSci Prof at SUNY New Paltz, Alan Chartock, and it was via this program that I learned to genuflect whenever I heard his name mentioned. The guy is solid.

His kid is a putz.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #74)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:27 PM

82. M must have an anal retentive wife. Agree w/Saint Mario - wouldn't

it be great to hear a handful of up and coming Dems talk like M ?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #82)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:31 PM

88. I would love it!!! nt

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:53 PM

24. Actually I think my Rep. Chris Van Hollen would be good

 

He has more fire.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:57 AM

124. Maybe Russ Feingold?...

 

With Scott Walker winning the governorship of Wisconsin, and perhaps instigating a major revolt there before next election, when he bankrupts the people there for their STUPIDITY in not voting him out, and then turns his back on them to run for president in 2016, people there will realize what mistake they made in voting out Feingold.

Perhaps he can leverage his Progressives United organization to really start reforming the processes that have been screwed up since Howard Dean was pushed out.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:37 PM

3. I am stunned at the Dem incompetence at campaigning.

 

It's like they didn't want to win.

Where the fuck were they? The message could have been so simple. Republicans obstruct. DESPITE their obstruction, Dems, with Obama at the helm, they got shit done. They should have run to Obama, with Obama and on his record. They should have said, give us the House, give us the Senate and we will get the job done.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:55 PM

27. So True Dat ! nt

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Response to morningfog (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:19 PM

44. I think politicians who have no support from constituents are going to lose

And Democrats are always ditzy or self-dividing. Every election I watch the same thing, and not from the politicians, but from ordinary Democrats whining about Dem politicians.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:22 PM

46. They have to get that support.

 

They have to engage and give their constituents something to believe in and vote for.

Aside from that, even "whining" Dems vote and vote Dem. They are not the problem.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #46)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:28 PM

49. I don't agree. I think WE have got to get off our lazy asses...

and stop being the whiny, entitled babies we are. We put politicians in office. If we do what we've been doing, which is leave it up to the mythical gods, and imaginary wishes, we will continue under the scourge of Republicans, and all we have to do is look around at what's left of our country to see what Republican ideology has done.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #49)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:35 PM

54. Most will not get off their ass. On either side.

 

The most you can ask of a voter is to vote. This is just reality.

There are a small percentage who are active and will work their asses off to get the voters to vote. They work to get some voters to donate money. They even can win a few more over to work as well. But it takes a message from the top to motivate, coordinate and then get the voter to vote.

The voter is largely fixed in party affiliation and ideology. The candidate has to convince them to vote. It is simply not good enough to expect anyone to vote. You can't expect or demand it. It is not about a mythical god, it is about a candidate running a clear, smart and ambitious campaign to get people to vote.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:41 PM

60. You betcha they do. I work with Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats are silent...

the Republicans spend their life TRASHING Democrats. And what do we do? Do we trash Republicans back? Nah. We expect *only*& politicians to do that. We sit comfortably at home and don't open our mouths. This is wimp behavior, and I'm just about at the end of my rope watching this BS year after year. And it's not something that happens on election day only. It happens every day of every year. I'm really sick of it.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #60)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:45 PM

62. Why do repubs trash the Dems? Because the candidates do.

 

Why do Dems not bash repubs? Because our candidates don't do it.

THis goes to my point. Dems are horrible at messaging, Repubs are good at it. It is the only thing they are good at.

We need stronger candidates who aren't afraid of the Democratic message and aren't afraid of calling repugs what they are.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #62)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:50 PM

65. Excuse me? You're not understanding what I'm saying. Let me try to explain it differently.

1. Republicans have a trashing machine like no other and spend 24/7 destroying Democrats in the public eye.
2. Democrats and other libs (NOT candidates) sit around listening to the Repukes, and muttering, "Wow, Republicans are right! That commercial against Obama is sooo true!" Etc.
3. Democrats and other libs do NOT become vocal against Republicans. They sit around wasting time and being silent.
4. The apathy and laziness of Democrats is felt nationwide, and Democratic politicians are quite aware that their own constituents don't give a sh*t and wouldn't back them if their lives depended on it.
5. Without STRONG support Democratic candidates will not have the strength to win, and will not even know which way to lean.

Republican candidates get STRONG and CONSTANT unwavering support from their constituents, something Democrats don't give their candidates - ever.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:54 PM

66. No. I understand what you are saying, I fundamentally disagree.

 

The messaging, motivation and rallying comes from the candidate to the voters. The repubs may get strong support from their constituents, but that is because the republican party keeps the message focused (even is disgusting).

And even with the strong and constant constituent support, they don't always win elections. When Dems win, it is because the candidate and party generated support through their message.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #66)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:55 PM

67. In every elections there are losers and winners, but the degree of laziness and catatonic behavior

I've seen from libs in the past few decades, shocks the hell out of me, and I'm beyond sick of it. I'm embarrassed by it.

And again, you're wrong. Candidates will have no self-confidence, when their own constituents are lazy, catatonic, and often agreeing with the opposition, which is what I've witnessed for the past few decades.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #67)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:58 PM

68. Then we need better candidates. The candidate will light the fire.

 

Remember 2008? Obama was a helluva campaigner. That is why he won. He built the coalition, he generated the enthusiasm. You can't expect an average voter to be passionate about milquetoast.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #68)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:00 PM

72. What you've just expressed is what I'm saying is the reason Democrats are losing...

that lazy sort of "the-candidate-must-rouse-me-from-sleep-or-I-won't-show-interest" sort of zombie behavior.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #72)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:03 PM

73. Then get better candidates. Sorry the reality of American politics requires good campaigners to

 

win a campaign.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #68)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:30 PM

87. Frankly, we need better dem LEADERSHIP. The pubs tell their minions

the talking points and off they go. The pubs buy TV networks and broadcast their message 24/7. Same with radio.

Even as a small example here in my district race -- the pubs made sure that every possible house, intersection, business, and vehicle had plenty of pub signs and bumper stickers. Did the dems fan out, go to every registered dem and offer a sign and a bumper sticker?? Hell, no. I could have driven 50 miles and BOUGHT one for myself, but that's stupid. The pubs GIVE this shit away and plaster the whole state. They thus get "name recognition" in spades, and they make themselves look like the only game in town. THIS is how to do it, folks. And, for some reason, the dem 'leadership' refuses to acknowledge the reality that this is a propaganda war and all the rules of propaganda are in play. But they refuse to engage. Why is that, exactly? It's a question that has not been answered.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:38 PM

92. I agree with #1 and #5

1. Republicans have a trashing machine like no other and spend 24/7 destroying Democrats in the public eye.
5. Without STRONG support Democratic candidates will not have the strength to win, and will not even know which way to lean.

The rest not so much.

I believe in my heart of hearts that the 24/7/365 GOP propaganda machine (in the form of Fox and AM radio) does have an effect. If this crap is on at the mechanic, at the restaurant, at the laundromat, etc. it manages to permeate the culture. Even a non Fox-bot eventually will absorb enough of it to color their perceptions.

The trouble is, left leaning versions don't work. So the left gets its message out for 3-4 months every 2 years, meanwhile the right's message is being trumpeted from the treetops every damn day all the damn time.

The fact that Democrats can pull out a win in 2006, 2008, 2012, etc. in the face of that constant onslaught of hate, rage, and vitriol is a testament to how strong their platform really is.

Unfortunately, I don't have a solution. I'm sorry about that.

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Response to AleksS (Reply #92)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:44 PM

96. Like you, I don't see a solution to this either. The pubs have co-opted the

means of distributing propaganda and have used it for 30 years. The actual culture has been changed by this incessant propaganda and will not be changed back by the dems running some right-leaning centrists every few years.

We are at the point where we all will be swept up in some type of revolution, probably one that ushers fascism in for real. Most likely a religious fascism.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:56 PM

103. That's not the way Dems are around here in Northern Cal

We do have some fire breathers here near the Capitol City, Sacramento, but this heavy union area has people who talk back to them. But then, the Dems are in solid control here. We do have some nuts, like Darrell Issa so it isn't completely clean here.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 09:47 PM

140. You could lead by example.

 

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:29 PM

84. Congratulations!!!

You are officially the first DUer to blame "Democrats whining about Dem politicians" as opposed to the MYRAD OF REASONS they lost, not the least of which was THEY DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING MESSAGE! Let's start there.

Oh, by the way, California hasn't finished voting yet so maybe you could wait about 32 more minutes for the West Coast to finish voting.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:38 PM

5. I agree she needs to go

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:38 PM

6. And take Pelosi and Reid's "leadership" with her.

The President has 200+ nominations (including Surgeon General) languishing without Senate Confirmation thanks to Sen. Reid.

Pelosi's "Impeachment is off the table" is always a classic.

SMDH

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:39 PM

7. One of the worst chairpersons ever

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:39 PM

8. The Democratic Party hasn't had a successful leader since Howard Dean

And yes, I think it's time for a change in the DNC.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:43 PM

15. Sigh.

I miss Howard Dean.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:45 PM

16. Is there bad blood between Dean and Hillary? Yes - he is

a brilliant strategist - but not pushy enough IMHO

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:46 PM

17. There is.

You could see it on Hillary's face at the 2004 DNC convention. I'll never forget it.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:47 PM

98. Agreed.

They took his hard work and flushed it down the drain, replacing it with endlessly inane emails.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:39 PM

9. The Democrats really dropped the ball.

The candidates didn't have the support they needed to run winning campaigns. We really need Howard Dean back.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:31 PM

51. Exactly. When candidates have no emotional and political support from their constituents...

bad things happen. Libs around the country have to stop being so lazy, waiting for good things to magically fall on their laps.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:39 PM

93. Hell, local and state dem politicians didn't even have the support of the DEM

LEADERSHIP. They couldn't get money, stump speeches, signs, nothing. They were left swinging in the wind. In a couple of egregious cases, the Obama administration visibly detracted from their own dem candidates! What are the dem voters supposed to think about this?? And WE the voters are all at fault for being lazy/whiny/wanting a pony?? Get real. We have NO effective leadership, no dem machine to broadcast the message, nothing. I have come to the conclusion that there IS no coherent message, and that the big players like things just the way they are. What other conclusion can I come to?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:42 PM

12. Someone should have known better than to put her in that position.

She was always a DLCer and rarely voted with the Dems when it mattered.

I've never liked her, and this really doesn't help. She went with the corporatists again.

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Response to VenusRising (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:48 PM

21. Despite all that - which you know more about than I, she

has always just seemed ineffectual to me. Being in business world - she reminds me of the squeaky wheel (could be male or female) that no one listens to and no one is influenced by.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:43 PM

13. Failure to perform.

 

Her job is to deliver wins. Failed.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:00 PM

71. +1,000,000

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:47 PM

19. what do you mean "even the press"

the fucking press is leading the conversation. "we" could do every single thing right and it would not be reported that way. the press in this country is so owned, so owned. it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and "we" are not to blame. of course mistakes were made; one of the biggest imo is carrying on as if corporate media in this country - which is just about all of it including npr - is non-partisan. nope, nope, nope.
i am not taking the blame for it.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:50 PM

22. you are right ! The only ones on TV who question are Bill Maher

Jon Stewart and Colbert. Pretty pathetic.

I see the rest as super intellectually lazy.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 09:50 PM

141. You're kidding? Have you ever watched the Ed Show?

 

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Response to barbtries (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:50 PM

99. Very true, so LET'S BUY SOME FUCKING NETWORKS and make sure they

are just as lowbrow as Fox, with a different message. As you note, it's lazy to blame voters who have been bathed in Fox propaganda for 30 years.

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Response to Nay (Reply #99)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:57 PM

104. Except not go for the hate angle - go for the human kindness angle. nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:52 PM

23. Bring back Dean!

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Response to PAProgressive28 (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:04 PM

36. He's too real for them.

They want people who take orders.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:58 PM

29. She has got to go!

When she said that it didn't matter if Scott Walker was recalled or not, she lost me.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:59 PM

30. Did you see what she had the balls to post on her FB page last nite?



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Excuse me Deb, but YOU ARE THE CHAIR OF THE DNC! Why didn't you push this talking point?

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Response to jillan (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:00 PM

32. Sorry so big - didn't feel like fixing it. Feeling grumpy.

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Response to jillan (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:03 PM

34. Grumpy? Only way is up from here. Shit...even I can't

spin that. Hey...we just kept NH

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:04 PM

37. Yes!! At least some good news. Finally!!

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Response to jillan (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:54 AM

118. She did. You yourself just quoted her pushing it. (nt)

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 09:59 PM

31. K & R

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:01 PM

33. She's not the problem... Our candidates were idiots...

 

For not backing Obama accomplishments.

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:03 PM

35. both.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:08 PM

38. Yes.

 

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:33 PM

53. I said it before and I'll say it again...

If Democrats around the country do not back their candidates (whether or not they adore them), this sort of thing will continue to happen. They'll end up isolated and not backed by their constituents.

Meanwhile, Republican politicians are backed by their constituents unwaveringly, and those politicians FEEL that backing.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:08 PM

39. Said it before, sayin' it again

In the midterm elections of his second term, George W. Bush lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of his second term, Ronald Reagan lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of his second term, Dwight D. Eisenhower lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of Richard Nixon's second term, Gerald Ford lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of his second term, Harry Truman very nearly lost the Senate.
In the midterm elections of his second term, Bill Clinton never had the Senate to begin with.

If we look to history, rather than to our fondest hopes as endlessly amplified in our echo chambers, losing the Senate was always the likeliest scenario this year.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Reply #39)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:15 AM

120. True,

but with that knowledge, we seem to think that running the same old campaign would somehow work this time.

Perhaps a new strategy could have been used.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:17 PM

43. I agree her tenure as party chair has been shitty. Dean needs to come back.

 

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:22 PM

45. For the past three weeks, I (and many others in here) have been posting about how the

Dems should have been running with the Prez and NOT away from him.

Now, if we can figure this out, why can't the candidates and party leaders?
Are we THAT much more brilliant than them?

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:47 PM

63. Think the synergy of our combined wisdom is very powerful. Untapped

and underutilized totally.

But - it appears that everyone was "on their own" and acted independently - hell, even Obama condoned that "whatever they need to do." (not surprising since he is protecting his ego). this whole thing needed a brainiac to unify everyone.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #63)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:49 PM

64. Love your screen name

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:59 PM

69. Do you get it? Long ago it was actually current - then DU

decided we could never change

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:28 PM

50. "We let the right define that Obama failed."

 

met a woman while canvassing who said she was voting for R's because democratic leadership had let her down. she seemed really concerned about inequality and I asked her if she thought that team R would be more likely to step up to the plate on this one.

while I do feel the some dems are not progressive enough, I don't think the correct response is to vote for less progressive candidates.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:31 PM

52. The only decent chairman the Dem Party has had in a long time

was Howard Dean--so of course he got no respect from the "leaders" of the party, and of course Rahm Emanuel stole credit for the wins that Dean's 50--state strategy eked out for us.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:36 PM

55. Dancing With the Stars?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:38 PM

57. She should have been drummed out of the party after refusing to endorse Ds is FLA

And openly supporting their R opponents.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:39 PM

58. She's no Howard Dean

 

That's for sure!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:59 PM

70. Yup.

Buck stops there.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:05 PM

75. Any time the Democrats believe the GOP message, they lose.

They Republicans claim Obama is toxic. The Democrats believe them and run from them. We've been the party of "don't hurt me" for so long, everyone believes this to be the only strategy to win--yet it never works.

To the best of my recollection the rut started in the 80's when the Democrats kept running to the center to appease the "Reagan Democrats." A lot of falsehoods were set as "facts" in that decade.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #75)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:29 PM

85. very true observations ! nt

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #75)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:43 PM

95. Too true! This can't be said enough!

Too true! This can't be said enough!

We need to stop believing every goddamn thing the GOP tells us. They lie.

They're a sinister version of Brer Rabbit.

Brer Republican: "Oh, no, I sure would hate it if you campaigned by running away from all the achievements Democrats have made in the last few years. That would be a sure way to beat me!"
Democrat: "Oh ho! You have outclevered yourself! I will campaign by running away from everything good Democrats have done for the people of our state and country for the last two years!"

Later

Democrat: (Caught in the briar patch of ignominious defeat.) "Oh my. How was I to ever know that the Brer Republican wasn't telling the truth!"

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:11 PM

77. I see her sitting across from a smiling Hillary with a nice salary in her future.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:57 AM

123. That's the likely scenario

I see no reason to believe otherwise.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:21 PM

80. Third way's role is to get Reps elected.

 

Mission Accomplished.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:23 PM

81. Fire her ass!!!!! Stop circling the wagons about these Republican wannabees, jesus

you cannot attract young passionate people to the Democratic Party with these MBA friendly bean counters.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:31 PM

90. This is crap.

Who or What the Fuck is DWS? There so little information. DWS could me Dumb Wasted Sot for all most of us know. Be clear about what you are writing about.

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Response to Beowulf42 (Reply #90)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:55 PM

101. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, sorry

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:37 PM

91. Dancing with the Stars?

 

no!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:45 PM

97. She has been a disaster.

Her crap calls around MMJ pretty much sealed the deal.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:11 AM

105. Today's Democrats are like cowering dogs



They have no loyalty to their own people when they're up for re-election.

The Republicans' poster child of a squeaky clean, wholesome, missionary-only-and-only-for-procreation,"never tasted a drink in my life or even said a curse word" preacher type is their ideal. Because the people like that don't ALWAYS vote straight party Repuke, right?

Ignore the unwashed masses.

It's so ridiculous.

It's not the '50s, people.

And those times were not so nice.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:12 AM

106. Turd Way is over. Way over.

 

My soon-to-be-former Senator Udall was a member of the Turd Way. Ran on nothing but focusing on Gardner's personhood stance, and we get this asshole anyway.

It's time to dump the concept of the Third Way and go hard left. Differentiate from the Republicans and Tea Party batshit crazy motherfuckers that can't even do shit.

Just be thankful that it's a majority that still can't do shit and don't have the votes to throw Obama out even if he was impeached.

It's time to put in Sanders and Warren for 2016. That's the only way I'm going. No more corporatist Democrats, and that means Hillary is NOT the answer.

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Response to Eridenus (Reply #106)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:25 AM

107. Or time to put up someone with balls - Like Ted Kennedy who used to say he

has proud to be a liberal. when is the last time you heard anyone say that.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:29 AM

108. Appears Kay Hagan's available. (n/t)

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:39 AM

110. Where's Howard Dean when we need him?

Thanks a heap, DEBBIE. Job well done, DEBBIE.

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Response to calimary (Reply #110)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:44 AM

111. If she had any honor she would resign on her own

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #111)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:08 PM

134. Do we know if there's any effort to remove her or demand her resignation?

If there isn't, we should start one. WE should. WE ACTIVISTS. I don't feel like waiting for the usual suspects to do something sensible. WE should take it upon ourselves to do that. I'm gonna start agitating for it, that's for DAMN sure!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:28 AM

114. Time For All Democrats To Act Like They Are Democrats

Nobody forced Obama to hire Wall Street toadies like Summers instead of the populist Reich crowd. Nobody forced him to try to sneak the horrible corporate takeover plus trade agreement TPP by us via fast track. Obama is pro TPP, pro trade agreements. The happy clappy dems tend to ignore all this.

This after Clinton went along with doing away with Glass Steagall, letting deposit banks play casino again.

And it will be more of the same with Hillary as well unless she turns away from Wall Street and third way nonsense.

One more thing about achievements with the economy - who got those gains? Joan Walsh pointed that out this last weekend, how much of these gains did the non well off receive?

If I had my druthers we'd go with Elizabeth Warren or Bernie, real populist champions. But we'll go with another third way Clinton, I hope Warren and Sanders force her back to the left.

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Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #114)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:38 PM

129. They will force her campaign rhetoric a little to the left, but that is all.

 

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:38 AM

115. +1

I've never been a fan of hers and I agree she's done a terrible job. Let's get someone in there who isn't in Congress who can be devoted to the job 24/7.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:53 AM

117. Dancing With the Stars?

n/t

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:02 AM

119. But DWS isn't the problem. She did exactly what she was hired for.

 

The Ruling Oligarchs want to see conservatives win. They will accept conservative Democrats but prefer Republicans.

There is a reason that Howard Dean was quietly run out of town. He wouldn't dance for the Ruling Oligarchs.

We don't have a chance until we recognize that our enemy is Conservatism and not Republicanism.

DWS will most likely get fired for effect but replaced with someone equally favored by the Conservative Oligarchs.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #119)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:00 PM

125. Which is also why she stood in the way of impeaching Bush too...

 

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:19 AM

121. Define yourself or be defined. nt

 

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:05 PM

126. Step down my a**

 

She needs to be fired!

I'm sure she could get a job at the RNC after the great work she did for them yesterday!

Looks like being republican lite didn't work out to well for the party eh?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:43 PM

130. The constant barrage of fundraising E-mails was discouraging and offputting.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 04:48 PM

133. Well, changing riders might help a little.....

 

...at least it'll be easier on the horse that way.

- And tell 'em to bring a swatter......




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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:37 PM

136. the best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago...

the second best time is today.

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