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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 12:16 PM Oct 2014

Breaking: Jury Returns GUILTY Verdicts for All 4 Former Blackwater Guards Charged in Iraq Shootings

@BreakingNews: Jury returns guilty verdicts for all 4 former Blackwater guards charged in Iraq shootings - @AP http://t.co/V41yyP9uZB

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/blackwater-case-former-guards-convicted-in-baghdad-mass-shootings

Jury convicts 4 former Blackwater guards charged in Baghdad shootings

CBS/AP
Oct 22, 2014 12:14 PM EDT

A federal jury has returned guilty verdicts for all four former Blackwater security guards on trial in the shootings of more than 30 Iraqi citizens in Baghdad.

The Sept. 16, 2007 shootings triggered an international uproar over the role of defense contractors in urban warfare. Blackwater had been hired by the State Department to protect American diplomats in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. Blackwater convoys of four heavily armored vehicles operated in risky environments where car bombs and attacks by insurgents were commonplace.

On trial were Paul Slough, Dustin Heard, Evan Liberty and Nicholas Slatten. Slatten was charged with first-degree murder, the others with voluntary manslaughter, attempted manslaughter and gun charges.

CBS News' Paula Reid reports that the verdict sheet asked the jury to make more than 100 separate findings pertaining to 33 counts against the four defendants.

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Breaking: Jury Returns GUILTY Verdicts for All 4 Former Blackwater Guards Charged in Iraq Shootings (Original Post) Hissyspit Oct 2014 OP
K&R Solly Mack Oct 2014 #1
good samsingh Oct 2014 #2
OMG... Justice. Real live justice. knr hedda_foil Oct 2014 #3
+1 LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #41
last I read prince move his sorry ass to the united arab imerates madokie Oct 2014 #50
Prince should be prosecuted too! burrowowl Oct 2014 #52
Wow- thanks! bettyellen Oct 2014 #4
All mercanaries are yellow. Dawson Leery Oct 2014 #5
The dogs of war, the dregs of society. alfredo Oct 2014 #21
Good. Hopefully this will be a deterrent. Scuba Oct 2014 #6
That should send a good message. aikoaiko Oct 2014 #7
Wow. Was NOT expecting that. progressoid Oct 2014 #8
Wow! Glad to hear it... elias49 Oct 2014 #9
Good TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #10
Good! It's about time. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #11
Excellent. Interesting that theseinitial verdicts were revealed, while the jury continues Hortensis Oct 2014 #12
No, not at all. OrwellwasRight Oct 2014 #28
The evil DeVos family and their evil spawn and spouses. longship Oct 2014 #13
Erik is actually Betsy's brother JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #36
Good malaise Oct 2014 #14
Well said and +1! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #17
I am with you on that. hifiguy Oct 2014 #27
Indeed. n/t xocet Oct 2014 #40
+1 leftstreet Oct 2014 #45
This is good news, finally a few of the war criminals held accountable. This can't be posted often sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #15
If verdict is held, then we need to watch the sentencing phase. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #19
Yes, I know. I have little faith in our 'justice' system, which is why I said that the jury sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #32
Excellent news. Justice. For once. calimary Oct 2014 #16
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #18
Like Reproductive Justice. littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #20
Yes. That's one kind. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #39
Waiting for the shit stains at Fox news to go nuts in 5..4..3..2..1 n/t Hotler Oct 2014 #22
Good. SoapBox Oct 2014 #23
Yes, he changed the name twice and then left the country for either Qatar or UAE or one of those sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #33
No - he sold it about five years ago JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #38
Awesome! There are still people with consciences. MontyPow Oct 2014 #24
Happened under Dubya's watch. Dealt with under Obama's watch. Finally. Hekate Oct 2014 #25
Good. hifiguy Oct 2014 #26
Finally! good news.. G_j Oct 2014 #29
Will there be trials for the people who paid or allowed these thugs to kill? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #30
excellent heaven05 Oct 2014 #31
Let's put this mercenary company out of business Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #34
K&R - raven mad Oct 2014 #35
Wow. I'm surprised deutsey Oct 2014 #37
Good Marrah_G Oct 2014 #42
Long overdue nt LiberalEsto Oct 2014 #43
Good. All mercenary outfits should be illegal for our country to use. EEO Oct 2014 #44
Excellent!! nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #46
Good! Now let the families sue Blackwater (or whatever its called now) for compensation peacebird Oct 2014 #47
Well, right in the middle of a fierce Nor'easter, I'm seeing some great news... drynberg Oct 2014 #48
Cheney and Rumsfeld are more than happy to let their pions pay the price lindysalsagal Oct 2014 #49
Good news... but defacto7 Oct 2014 #51
It took 7 years to get this done? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #53

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
41. +1
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 05:20 PM
Oct 2014

it's so rare, this was a very pleasant surprise.

Wish they could also take down that asshole Prince

burrowowl

(17,641 posts)
52. Prince should be prosecuted too!
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 01:13 AM
Oct 2014

He is a real criminal and so are those whose who hire mercenaries.
The US Government should rely only on our soldiers!

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
9. Wow! Glad to hear it...
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 12:35 PM
Oct 2014

now we wait, I suppose, for appeals. At least they're not going to kill anyone else. Until they're in prison..then all bets are off.
Can't help but remark: what an interesting name "Evan Liberty" Really?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Excellent. Interesting that theseinitial verdicts were revealed, while the jury continues
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 12:44 PM
Oct 2014

its weeks of deliberations on a bunch of others.

What IS "voluntary manslaughter," anyway? Is that what people who just sort of get carried away by the enthusiasm of mass slaughter do?

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
28. No, not at all.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:49 PM
Oct 2014

It relates to killings in which the prepetrator is criminally liable, but whose actions were not intended to take a life. Essentailly you lack either the premeditation element required for Murder One, and the "abandoned and malignant heart" element requried for Murder Two.

According to the California Penal Code:

192. Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without
malice. It is of three kinds:
(a) Voluntary--upon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion.
(b) Involuntary--in the commission of an unlawful act, not
amounting to felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might
produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and
circumspection. This subdivision shall not apply to acts committed in
the driving of a vehicle.
(c) Vehicular ...

So in essence, you knew or should have known that your acts could kill someone, but you didn't have the specific intention to kill. I kind of hate the "heat of passion" argument as I think people should be required by law to keep the temper under control--at least to the level of not killing someone. It is too easy for people like an angry husband or wife to plan to kill their spouse but then claim something stupid like "I don't know what happened. The gun just went off in my hands. I never meant to kill." Bullshit.

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
36. Erik is actually Betsy's brother
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 03:14 PM
Oct 2014

His father (her father as well) invented the sun visor/mirror visor/light visor which put his machine shop over the top.

These are not people I'm sympathetic to - but we have to make sure we are clear on details. If we make one mistake in connecting the Far Religious Right and how they influence - we will lose credibility.


So technically - Erik is the spawn of Prince Industries - and schooled and raised in Rushdooney theory (the sadistic). His sister being born into what a little of research finds is called the 'Dutch Mafia' in Western Michigan simply 'merged' with Dick Devos.

Regardless - these people have dark, darkness inside of them.

Glad to see some of their chickens come home to roost!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. This is good news, finally a few of the war criminals held accountable. This can't be posted often
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 01:46 PM
Oct 2014

enough imo.

I remember that horrific crime when it happened. I remember how outraged Democrats were and I remember the victims.

I hope this verdict isn't overturned. The US has a reputation for protecting its War Criminals. But for today a jury has done the right thing. Let's hope it eases the awful pain of the many victims' loved ones. I know they were fighting for some justice for a long, long time.

Good for that jury, that will do more for this country's image than all the 'humanitarian bombs' we drop on all these countries combined.

The jury spoke for us, our leaders rarely do.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. Yes, I know. I have little faith in our 'justice' system, which is why I said that the jury
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:58 PM
Oct 2014

spoke for us TODAY. I will be very surprised if they spend any time in jail. But hopefully they will however naive that hope is.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
23. Good.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:26 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:33 PM - Edit history (1)

And Mr. Blackwater...didn't he change the company name and then leave the U.S. for some country in the Middle East?

That POS needs some jail time too.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
33. Yes, he changed the name twice and then left the country for either Qatar or UAE or one of those
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 03:01 PM
Oct 2014

dictatorship 'allies' of ours. There's more business opportunities there as we now fight 'proxie' wars, iow, we use our dictatorship 'allies' to funnel funds to finance the US biggest business, arms dealing and manufactured wars all over the place. I'm sure he's making money by proxy also.

They are blight on the world, brutal, murderous war profiteers.

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
38. No - he sold it about five years ago
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 03:16 PM
Oct 2014

And seems to have an obsession with starting new businesses.

He maintains the trademark name of Blackwater though.

He's currently in an entirely different endeavor - based out of Hong Kong - Frontier Services Group.

While we are blowing things up - China is investing in Africa while stripping it of its resources . . . it appears as the Chairman of the board - he's in hip deep with it.

Hekate

(90,686 posts)
25. Happened under Dubya's watch. Dealt with under Obama's watch. Finally.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:43 PM
Oct 2014

Mercenaries are a bad idea. If this nation ("the Homeland&quot wants an army so badly, then bring the draft back and make it accountable to the wrath of the people being dragooned to serve, as with Vietnam.

I've had it up to here with privatizing, well, everything.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
34. Let's put this mercenary company out of business
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 03:01 PM
Oct 2014

A corporation with a vested interest in armed conflict should not be in business, especially in a age of corporate fascism.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
44. Good. All mercenary outfits should be illegal for our country to use.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:10 PM
Oct 2014

By any domestic, intelligence, or military agencies. It is ridiculous that I even have to make that statement.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
47. Good! Now let the families sue Blackwater (or whatever its called now) for compensation
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:10 PM
Oct 2014

Oh, and Eric Prince too, personally.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
48. Well, right in the middle of a fierce Nor'easter, I'm seeing some great news...
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:21 PM
Oct 2014

Now, about Wall Street...

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
49. Cheney and Rumsfeld are more than happy to let their pions pay the price
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:18 PM
Oct 2014

for their own greed.

I am glad someone got caught, but it was the wrong guys.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
51. Good news... but
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:50 PM
Oct 2014

These are just the fall guys. The wealthy owner of the company and its major players are riding high and free. There's no justice until there is. This just looks like justice and that's what it's about.

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