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(27,711 posts)
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:24 AM Apr 2012


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[center][font color="black" size="20" face="face"]“I believe there is about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party.”
- Rep. Allen West (Republican, Florida 22nd)

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For those that don't know - the last picture is Democratic Congressman Keith Ellison of Minnesota and Raul Grijalva or Arizona, both leaders of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

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Communists! (Original Post) ellisonz Apr 2012 OP
The Internationale unites the human race. silverweb Apr 2012 #1
EEeeek!! Oh noes!!! Not the commies again!!! 99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #2
I'm with you! silverweb Apr 2012 #8
That's because it's Godless... ellisonz Apr 2012 #9
Yeah, because Russian Orthodox is so freaking Liberal. YellowRubberDuckie Apr 2012 #11
Must be. silverweb Apr 2012 #26
"The Tension of the Opposites"? 99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #17
I'll definitely research that. silverweb Apr 2012 #24
Looked it up. silverweb Apr 2012 #27
Wow. You really describe it well. 99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #28
Thanks! silverweb Apr 2012 #29
Sometimes the recent quotes get jumbled in my head ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #3
The number IS low. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #18
Agreed. ellisonz Apr 2012 #20
West should have Abe Simpson as his running mate... Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #4
Commie! ellisonz Apr 2012 #6
Meanwhile.... GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #5
Projection=republicans. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #19
Monty Python's commentary hifiguy Apr 2012 #7
Anyone who trots out the "communist" name calling has lost the argument. Tennessee Gal Apr 2012 #10
They don't WANT to win. YellowRubberDuckie Apr 2012 #12
I hope you are right. Tennessee Gal Apr 2012 #14
Ratings ploy. YellowRubberDuckie Apr 2012 #15
Why is this such a bad thing, the GOP LOVES Communist China? Rex Apr 2012 #13
No one expects the Communist revolution nt MrScorpio Apr 2012 #16
Rep. West says it like its a bad thing or something. white_wolf Apr 2012 #21
Whenever I hear the Soviet National Anthem, I think of Nicholai Volkov. sadbear Apr 2012 #22
What are you gonna do? DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #32
The Stalin poster here is actually an anti-Stalin parody RZM Apr 2012 #23
Thank you Expert Communist, RZM... ellisonz Apr 2012 #25
Yes? You rang?............ socialist_n_TN Apr 2012 #30
Ice cream, Mandrake! Children's ice cream! n/t DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #31


(16,402 posts)
1. The Internationale unites the human race.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:43 AM
Apr 2012

The Internationale
Sung by Billy Bragg

Stand up, all victims of oppression
For the tyrants fear your might
Don't cling so hard to your possessions
For you have nothing, if you have no rights
Let racist ignorance be ended
For respect makes the empires fall
Freedom is merely privilege extended
Unless enjoyed by one and all.

So come brothers and sisters
For the struggle carries on
The Internationale
Unites the world in song
So comrades come rally
For this is the time and place
The international ideal
Unites the human race.

Let no one build walls to divide us
Walls of hatred nor walls of stone
Come greet the dawn and stand beside us
We'll live together or we'll die alone
In our world poisoned by exploitation
Those who have taken, now they must give
And end the vanity of nations
We've but one Earth on which to live.

So come brothers and sisters
For the struggle carries on
The Internationale
Unites the world in song
So comrades come rally
For this is the time and place
The international ideal
Unites the human race.

And so begins the final drama
In the streets and in the fields
We stand unbowed before their armour
We defy their guns and shields
When we fight, provoked by their aggression
Let us be inspired by life and love
For though they offer us concessions
Change will not come from above.


(19,326 posts)
2. EEeeek!! Oh noes!!! Not the commies again!!!
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 06:49 AM
Apr 2012

Just like birth control, abortion, gay rights, etc.

This kind of commie-phobia shit was settled decades ago,
and exposed to be utterly bankrupt of any credibility.

These rat-bastards really are trying to literally turn
the clock back to 1955.

Fuck them, and the Trojan Horse they came in on.


(16,402 posts)
8. I'm with you!
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 06:53 PM
Apr 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]What irritates me most is that most Americans have no idea what the difference is between communism and socialism, or really much of any idea what they actually stand for and why. They've been culturally indoctrinated to a pavlovian negative response to the terms alone without any thought or understanding at all.

One person I know well has ranted on and on about the evils of "socialized medicine," even while her husband was receiving fully paid for care from the VA and she was griping about hating the insurance company that provides her Medicare supplementation. She has absolutely zero insight into the contradictions in her position.

She has ranted, "No one loves this country anymore. They don't hang the flag every day like I do." Also, "They don't appreciate our freedom. I can go into any store and find whatever I want from anywhere in the world."

This is where we are as a culture. Hanging a flag is love of country, and freedom is shopping choices. It's sickening to me.


(16,402 posts)
26. Must be.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:49 AM
Apr 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Even more than that, though, the undertones I get are anger and deep, deep resentment that a socialist or communist system requires that everyone receives equal benefit, including those who "haven't earned it" and "don't deserve it."



(19,326 posts)
17. "The Tension of the Opposites"?
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 04:39 AM
Apr 2012

May be an interesting phrase 4 U to research,

As it was one of Jung's ways of describing our
human predicament, & THE alchemical way
"out of it" ... is by totally engaging and going
THROUGH it ... all the way through to the end,
whatsoever that may mean.

As a tension arising between two polar
opposites, constellates with enough energy,
to blow the fucking lid completely off,
in the best of ways.


(16,402 posts)
24. I'll definitely research that.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 12:24 AM
Apr 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'm not very well versed in Jung, but what little I do know of his work is fascinating.



(16,402 posts)
27. Looked it up.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:53 PM
Apr 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I have read about the concept in the past, just didn't recognize the official phrase. If I understand it correctly, it's the idea of recognizing both the positives and negatives in oneself and others with compassion, simply observing and attempting to understand them, and allowing them to organically resolve into a new, unified wholeness.

I remember reading about how everyone thinks they are doing "good" when they pursue a certain course (even if it has objectively evil results), and it's important to understand just how they/we perceive/define that "good" and why. As in language, it's critical to define one's terms and not make assumptions about what they mean to others.

The same is also true for dealing with the negatives in oneself. Get to the root of them, define them, and there's generally fear of some kind, which can often be transformed through understanding and compassion: the alchemy of turning lead (fear/anger/hate) to gold (love/karuna).

I understand it intellectually, but am not advanced enough spiritually to automatically react compassionately to negatives in others or in myself. My first instinct is still to react defensively, pushing away the person (or part of myself) that I find unlikeable, and I'll work on that.

Thanks for the reminder! I had forgotten a lot of this.



(19,326 posts)
28. Wow. You really describe it well.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 05:14 PM
Apr 2012

Thanks for getting back and letting met know what you came up with.
I learned it mostly from this guy who is sort of my teacher in a sense,
and I'm one of his editors. He's deep Jungian.

You may want to check him out .. his names is Paul Levy:


(16,402 posts)
29. Thanks!
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 07:56 PM
Apr 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I have to start work in a few minutes, but have bookmarked the site to check out.


(23,485 posts)
3. Sometimes the recent quotes get jumbled in my head ...
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:30 AM
Apr 2012

"I believe there is about 78 to 81 members of Congress that have actually never worked a day in their life. They've never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the people in this country are facing."

Or maybe the number is low.


(32,171 posts)
5. Meanwhile....
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:38 AM
Apr 2012

Every last Congressional and Senatorial member of the GOP is in bed with the Communist Chinese. Their fiscal policies benefit the Communist Chinese over American citizens. Their social policies are even more oppressive and freedom-killing than those of the Communist Chinese. But, it's the Democrats who are the Communists? Ain't that rich!

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
10. Anyone who trots out the "communist" name calling has lost the argument.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:23 PM
Apr 2012

It simply means they know their positions cannot be defended or supported.


(19,736 posts)
12. They don't WANT to win.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:30 PM
Apr 2012

That is why they are getting so fucking crazy. They know the majority of people are calling bullshit and they're all about to get voted out.

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
14. I hope you are right.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:34 PM
Apr 2012

However, I seem to recall a poll in the last couple of days having Romney and Obama in a dead heat.



(65,616 posts)
13. Why is this such a bad thing, the GOP LOVES Communist China?
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:31 PM
Apr 2012

Their pathetic disconnect is so obvious it is painful.



(8,556 posts)
23. The Stalin poster here is actually an anti-Stalin parody
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 12:06 AM
Apr 2012

It's a riff on the famous slogan: 'Thank you, comrade Stalin, for our happy childhoods'

This one says: 'Thank you, dear Stalin, for shooting our parents'


(11,481 posts)
30. Yes? You rang?............
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 08:05 PM
Apr 2012

If those guys are communists, they must be Mensheviks. Because there's NOTHING Bolshevik about them.

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