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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:34 PM Dec 2011

Some grief over death of North Korea leader false, defectors say


By Barbara Demick, Los Angeles Times

December 21, 2011, 4:23 p.m.
Reporting from Beijing—

Chu Sung-ha says he knows for sure that some of the people shown sobbing on television over the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il are faking it.

Once, he was one of them. As a 20-year-old student at Pyongyang's prestigious Kim Il Sung University in 1994, when North Korea's founder and the school's namesake died, Chu and his fellow students were used to illustrate the nation's grief.

Television cameras were rolling when the students were ushered into an auditorium to be told the news. And though most were genuinely overcome, those who weren't knew enough to sob on cue.

"I just bowed my head so nobody could see I wasn't crying," recalled Chu, who now lives in Seoul and works as a journalist. "There were cameras on campus and I knew I would be caught on television."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-korea-fake-mourning-20111222,0,1770642.story

Shocking! Dear Leader deserves better than this! <-/satire icon->
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Some grief over death of North Korea leader false, defectors say (Original Post) IDemo Dec 2011 OP
Could you imagine if Shrub had died in office? Repukers orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #1
I would have been crying for real. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #3
I'm crying at the thought of it. orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #4
Makes one kind of sick at the very thought of it. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #6
Or at least the official installation of the Dick who'd already been running the office n/t IDemo Dec 2011 #8
Agreed. orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #19
No surprise there. God knows what's ahead for these poor people. virgogal Dec 2011 #2
+1 orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #5
Looks like the military is not going to relinquish their choke hold over that prison nation. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #9
And it's doubtful Kim Jong-un will be able to control them. NYC Liberal Dec 2011 #16
"If I don't cry, they'll kill my children" nt DCKit Dec 2011 #13
Ooh ooh.. I know... Cid_B Dec 2011 #14
Eh, not to diminish these defectors' opinion, but most anyone who watched the video... joshcryer Dec 2011 #7
Oppressed people who do know any different. n/t liberal N proud Dec 2011 #10
Well, DUH. These people aren't idiots. No matter how much their gov't tries to stifle communication eppur_se_muova Dec 2011 #11
And what's our excuse? gratuitous Dec 2011 #12
They saw him as a lovable Grandpa, not the shallow, bigoted rotten shit he actually was. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #17
if/when NK can get some freedom in the near future, it will be very interesting to hear JI7 Dec 2011 #15
here's a truthful and frightening look into North Korea - the guys at Vice Guide are nuts. piratefish08 Dec 2011 #18
 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
1. Could you imagine if Shrub had died in office? Repukers
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:38 PM
Dec 2011

would of been on a witch hunt for the Un patriotic.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
9. Looks like the military is not going to relinquish their choke hold over that prison nation.
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:57 PM
Dec 2011

They are the ones benefitting from a starving population, and no way will they allow market reforms and the resulting personal freedom that would follow come to pass.

The military needs a cowed populace, starving and fearful, or their number is up.

It is all going to end rather badly, I fear.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
16. And it's doubtful Kim Jong-un will be able to control them.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:20 AM
Dec 2011

He has no military service, is young, and only started taking an active role in the last 2-3 years.

Whereas Kim Jong-il was groomed for almost 10 years before he took over.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
7. Eh, not to diminish these defectors' opinion, but most anyone who watched the video...
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:49 PM
Dec 2011

...could've surmised that. It was really forced, the video itself was painful to watch for me for that reason. I felt so bad for them.

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
11. Well, DUH. These people aren't idiots. No matter how much their gov't tries to stifle communication
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 12:47 AM
Dec 2011

they know they are worse off than their southern neighbors, at the very minimum. A few may be truly brainwashed, but if the NK gov't fell it would be even less lamented than the old USSR (which still has its nostalgic supporters).

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. And what's our excuse?
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 12:51 AM
Dec 2011

We still have droves of people in an ongoing necrogasm over the demise of Ronald Reagan.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
17. They saw him as a lovable Grandpa, not the shallow, bigoted rotten shit he actually was.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 10:55 AM
Dec 2011

A perfect Republican.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
15. if/when NK can get some freedom in the near future, it will be very interesting to hear
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:10 AM
Dec 2011

what the people have to say.

we already know a bit. but i'm sure there is a lot more that will be uncovered .

piratefish08

(3,133 posts)
18. here's a truthful and frightening look into North Korea - the guys at Vice Guide are nuts.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 11:03 AM
Dec 2011

http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3



there is another documentary on this website studying North Korea's selling of slaves into the timber camps of Siberia where all the wood for our cheap particle board furniture comes from. eye-opening stuff.....
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