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AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:30 AM Sep 2014

To charge Mckayla Maroney with production and possession of sexual material containing a minor.

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
To charge Mckayla Maroney with production and possession of sexual material containing a minor.
According to Mckayla. The photographs in question were hacked from her icloud account and are of her underaged. Don't let her get away with a crime that would get a normal teenage girl landed on the sex offenders list.


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/charge-mckayla-maroney-production-and-possession-sexual-material-containing-minor/FQ0LnByd

Wtf?

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To charge Mckayla Maroney with production and possession of sexual material containing a minor. (Original Post) AngryAmish Sep 2014 OP
So she should be charged with a crime for taking pictures of *herself*? nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #1
It's happened davidn3600 Sep 2014 #7
They weren't charged for taking the pictures mythology Sep 2014 #10
It is illegal to possess child porn davidn3600 Sep 2014 #12
People who possess child porn don't possess pictures of themselves kcr Sep 2014 #15
+1000 nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #23
It is amusing watching them huff and puff playing gotcha kcr Sep 2014 #25
so you think she should be charged marym625 Sep 2014 #20
really, you interviewed her and her boyfriend? CreekDog Sep 2014 #33
The common thread there is willful transmission and distribution. Chan790 Sep 2014 #11
Citation, please. Orrex Sep 2014 #18
Each time you point out a case where it is disseminated, and think it proves your point kcr Sep 2014 #28
Still just as stupid and ridiculous. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #22
Typically charges against a person who the law is supposed to protect are dropped. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #27
The petition seems to be an effort to raise awareness about many cases where this actually happened. Chathamization Sep 2014 #21
I didn't really think of that, but you may well be right. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #26
I'm not sure I buy that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #29
/\ this. deathrind Sep 2014 #31
I have heard somewhere that a teenage-girl got in trouble for sending a nude picture of herself... DetlefK Sep 2014 #2
. Orrex Sep 2014 #13
Can we charge her with having stupid parents who don't know how to spell "Michaela"? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #3
There are currently 179 fucking morons who would sign such a fucked up petition. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #4
Wonder what their DU handles are. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #5
Yep, there are some here arguing this nonsense n/t kcr Sep 2014 #16
took the words out of my mouth La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #24
Or maybe . . . gollygee Sep 2014 #6
I've seen a lot of stupid things - TBF Sep 2014 #8
Try her as an adult. Octafish Sep 2014 #9
I PETITION ALL AMERICANS... sendero Sep 2014 #14
I think it would be foolish to charger her dsc Sep 2014 #17
^^That. Orrex Sep 2014 #19
The only point is that we shouldn't Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #30
I agree kcr Sep 2014 #32
yes. agreed. idiotic to think that horny teens will have access to cams and wont take pics La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #35
What law did she break? bluesbassman Sep 2014 #34

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
1. So she should be charged with a crime for taking pictures of *herself*?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:40 AM
Sep 2014

Whatever that is, it doesn't deserve to be called "logic."

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
7. It's happened
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:02 AM
Sep 2014

From February, 2014...

A 16-year-old girl was charged with distributing child pornography after she posted nude pictures of herself to Twitter in January.

The teenager posted the photos on or around January 30. Eventually, word spread to a school resource officer, who contacted the girl and her mother.

Police in James City County, Virginia later confiscated the phone and charged the girl with one count of distributing child pornography.

"It's not just friends that see what they post but also strangers and everyone else out there," Stephanie Williams-Ortery, a spokeswoman for the James City County Police Department, told WAVY.com. "You have no idea who's out there watching. You never know who's going to see what you post."

And it's not just the girl who could end up in trouble; her underage friends might be charged for forwarding the pictures.


http://gawker.com/teen-charged-with-child-porn-after-tweeting-nude-pictur-1518398670


From 2009..

Six Greensburg, Pennsylvania high-schoolers, found out to be exchanging nude pictures of themselves via text message this past November, have now been charged with child pornography, according to FOX News.

Three unidentified girls between the ages of 14 and 15 allegedly sent nude pictures of themselves to three boys, all between 16 and 17. Apparently, the school found out when one student's cell phone was confiscated for being used during school hours. Said pictures were stored in the phone.

This news, filed under 'sexting,' comes on the heels of a similar story, having taken place on the other side of the country. There is a big difference here, though. While the Seattle teenagers were kicked off the cheerleading team, the Greensburg teenagers are being charged as criminals.

http://www.switched.com/2009/01/14/sexting-teenagers-charged-with-child-pornography/
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
10. They weren't charged for taking the pictures
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:12 AM
Sep 2014

They were charged for distributing the pictures. Maroney didn't distribute the pictures. The hackers did.

kcr

(15,316 posts)
15. People who possess child porn don't possess pictures of themselves
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:03 AM
Sep 2014

Petitioning to have Makayla Maroney charged is insanity.

kcr

(15,316 posts)
25. It is amusing watching them huff and puff playing gotcha
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:24 AM
Sep 2014

pointing out what they think is some technicality that proves their point.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
33. really, you interviewed her and her boyfriend?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:46 AM
Sep 2014

wow. you're really well connected.

or you just made it all up.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
11. The common thread there is willful transmission and distribution.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:14 AM
Sep 2014

In one case, the charged minor posted the pictures to Twitter. In the other, the charged minors were exchanging the images among themselves. In both cases there was an intentional and deliberate act to distribute child pornography being created for the purpose of distribution. Posting pictures of your own naked self (taken for any reason other than distribution) to your cloud storage for your personal private use is not manufacture or distribution of child pornography.

The petitioners in the OP should be told to suck an egg and see their petition terminated.

Orrex

(63,209 posts)
18. Citation, please.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:24 AM
Sep 2014
Posting pictures of your own naked self (taken for any reason other than distribution) to your cloud storage for your personal private use is not manufacture or distribution of child pornography.
Since you speak so definitively, surely you can provide your source in support of this assertion.

In this case, for example:
The girls have been charged with manufacturing and disseminating child pornography while the boys are accused of possessing it.

That is, the manufacture, the dissemination, and the possessing of child pornography are held to be three separate things.

kcr

(15,316 posts)
28. Each time you point out a case where it is disseminated, and think it proves your point
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:28 AM
Sep 2014

Do you call eggs, water, flour and baking soda cake before they've been mixed together and baked?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
27. Typically charges against a person who the law is supposed to protect are dropped.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:27 AM
Sep 2014

Courts have found such laws punishing the victim to be unconstitional.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
21. The petition seems to be an effort to raise awareness about many cases where this actually happened.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:31 AM
Sep 2014

Particularly this part:

Don't let her get away with a crime that would get a normal teenage girl landed on the sex offenders list.


I might be misreading it, but it seems like an effort to highlight some sickening stuff that law enforcement agencies are currently doing (and that has been accepted for the most part).

There was a case recently where a teenage boy who took pictures of his penis was charged with manufacturing child pornography. The police then went and took pictures of his penis themselves, and then said if he didn’t plead guilty they would take him to the hospital, force an erection, and take pictures of his erect penis (“for evidence”).

More info on that one here. But like I said, there have been numerous cases where this happened.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
29. I'm not sure I buy that.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:28 AM
Sep 2014

It sounds more like a giant effort at trolling by the guys at 4chan or other sites who are annoyed that they're getting pushback on distributing those selfsame photos.

But I would suggest that it's stupid in every case to charge minors for taking nude selfies.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
31. /\ this.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:35 AM
Sep 2014

The incident with the teenager quickly concluded once the teens lawyer pointed out that if the police took a picture of the teen as they wanted than they would also be committing the same crime they were charging the teen with.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. I have heard somewhere that a teenage-girl got in trouble for sending a nude picture of herself...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:46 AM
Sep 2014

It would be nice if the petitioners were less passive-aggressive and would have provided a source.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
4. There are currently 179 fucking morons who would sign such a fucked up petition.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:48 AM
Sep 2014

At least the federal government now has their names stamped with the word "moron".

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
6. Or maybe . . .
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:58 AM
Sep 2014

we could just charge whoever stole her photo and distributed it with distribution of sexual material containing a minor.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
14. I PETITION ALL AMERICANS...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:02 AM
Sep 2014

.. TO SHUN THE IMBECILIC, THE STUPID, THE DISHONEST and the WILLFULLY IGNORANT.

That ought to cover whoever thinks this petition is anything other than a bad joke.

dsc

(52,161 posts)
17. I think it would be foolish to charger her
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:15 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:47 AM - Edit history (1)

but that said, the petitioners do have a point here. Laws that aren't evenly enforced tend to be harsh and stupid because they only get enforced against those about whom society doesn't care.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
30. The only point is that we shouldn't
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:29 AM
Sep 2014

prosecute any minor for taking nude selfies. That would take care of 'enforcing' the laws evenly.

kcr

(15,316 posts)
32. I agree
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:39 AM
Sep 2014

I don't see how pointing at her and screaming Child Pornographer! Charge her!!!! helps the cause. I don't buy that it's the intent of those who are doing this, particularly since her case isn't like those who've actually been prosecuted.

bluesbassman

(19,373 posts)
34. What law did she break?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:48 AM
Sep 2014

If it's "manufacturing" that would imply that there was intent to distribute, and there is no evidence that she distributed any of these photos. In the other cases involving minors and selfies, the kids did send them to others, so distribution pushes the manufacturing charge. Not so in this case, so what law was broken if she took a photo and stored it in her own account? No "intent" to distribute, so there is no "manufacturing" IMO.

FWIW, I think all of the cases involving minor to minor nude selfies are overreach by the authorities. Dumb on the kid's part, just as posting pics on FB with a joint or bottle if booze is too, but certainly not criminally motivated or worthy of being arrested and charged.

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